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Now Ms. Rick Perry has gone on record that God told her that her husband should run for President.

This fatuous claim of revelation was reported tonight on the NBC Evening News.  Ms. Perry joins the host of deluded and deplorable phonies who try to validate themselves with the bogus claim that "God told me._____" (you fill in the blank).

 

I seem to remember that G.W. Bush made a similar claim.  What is it about these Texans' claims of being wired directly to the Almighty?  Have they been influenced by those Texas charlatans, Benny Hinn and John  Hagee, or what?

 

Give me a break!

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Originally Posted by Contendah:
I seem to remember that G.W. Bush made a similar claim.  What is it about these Texans' claims of being wired directly to the Almighty?  Have they been influenced by those Texas charlatans, Benny Hinn and John  Hagee, or what?

Give me a break!

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There are many "Christians" that act/talk as though they're wired directly to the Almighty, & they don't have to be from Texas to make that claim. We have one that wears the hat right here on this forum that makes that claim.

 

When a presidential candidate makes that kind of claim, I know that's the one NOT to vote for. 

Do you have a link contendah? Did she say god told her or did she say she prayed and felt that is the answer god gave her? It never fails to amaze me. You democrats claim to pray, and claim prayer works, yet turn right around and belittle a republican if they say god "gave them an answer." NOT defending anyone, just once more pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Do you have a link contendah? Did she say god told her or did she say she prayed and felt that is the answer god gave her? It never fails to amaze me. You democrats claim to pray, and claim prayer works, yet turn right around and belittle a republican if they say god "gave them an answer." NOT defending anyone, just once more pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. 


No one said Perry shouldn't pray if he wants.  There is a big difference between saying he prays about it and this is what he feels is right for him and saying God told him to run.  Why stick all Democrats into a lump of hypocrites when she said it and he has too?  There is a big difference between the two points of view.  Praying about something makes sense if it is your belief system.  Saying God told me to is a whole different matter.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
I seem to remember that G.W. Bush made a similar claim.  What is it about these Texans' claims of being wired directly to the Almighty?  Have they been influenced by those Texas charlatans, Benny Hinn and John  Hagee, or what?

Give me a break!

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There are many "Christians" that act/talk as though they're wired directly to the Almighty, & they don't have to be from Texas to make that claim. We have one that wears the hat right here on this forum that makes that claim.

 

When a presidential candidate makes that kind of claim, I know that's the one NOT to vote for. 


I agree.  I want my president to come from a place of reason and compassion, knowledge, and logic, and not make his or her decisions based on his God telling him it was a good thing to bomb somewhere or push for laws that restrict others' freedoms.

Just to clarify, I wouldn't vote for a candidate who said her spirit guides, other gods, or astrologist told her she must run, or someone who said he needed to run to get rid of the religious people...lol.  It wasn't just the Christian God, although I have seen so many instances of Christian politicians trying to push their own beliefs on everyone else that it is particularly twitchy to me at this point.

No one said Perry shouldn't pray if he wants. There is a big difference between saying he prays about it and this is what he feels is right for him and saying God told him to run. Why stick all Democrats into a lump of hypocrites when she said it and he has too? There is a big difference between the two points of view. Praying about something makes sense if it is your belief system. Saying God told me to is a whole different matter.

 

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My point is what I posted. Religious democrats can say they pray and that god answered their prayers or they feel god wants them to do things. Republicans say the same and get attacked. Hypocritial. There is no difference whatsoever in the left wing religious nuts and the right wing religious nuts. That has been my position the entire time. Democrats use religion just as much as republicans but for some reason I can't see they get a "pass".

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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi on May 6 addressed the Catholic clergyman at the Catholic Community Conference on Capitol Hill, where she attempted to use the Christian leaders' belief system to push her liberal agenda.

Pelosi remarked, “The cardinals, the archbishops, the bishops that come to me … say, ‘We want you to pass immigration reform,’ and I said, I want you to speak about it from the pulpit. Some (who oppose) immigration reform are sitting in those pews, and you have to tell them that this is a manifestation of our living the gospels.”

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Do you have a link contendah? Did she say god told her or did she say she prayed and felt that is the answer god gave her? It never fails to amaze me. You democrats claim to pray, and claim prayer works, yet turn right around and belittle a republican if they say god "gave them an answer." NOT defending anyone, just once more pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. 

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This should amply supply your need:

 

"Anita Perry became tearful while recounting how her family sought spiritual guidance in the run-up the Texas governor’s announced candidacy. She said Rick was reticent to run because he hadn’t seen a direct sign from God.

“God was already speaking to me, but (Rick) didn’t want to hear it,” she said. “I said listen, you may not see the burning bush, but there are people seeing that burning bush for you. So he really took it to heart, he prayed about it.”

http://www.rationalskepticism....is-faith-t26221.html

 

<<<Here’s candidate Rick Perry’s wife, Anita, reflecting on her husband being “called by God” to run for the presidency:

 

<<<"She likened Perry's decision to run to encountering a 'burning bush,' a reference to the Biblical story of Moses receiving a sign from God.   And Anita Perry suggested that her jhusband's current difficulties were 'a test.'

 

Last week, someone came up to Rick and gave him scripture.  He said, 'Rick, I want to tell you God is testing you.'">>>>

http://youcallthatart.wordpres...eton-heston-he-aint/

 

Go to minute 5:32 and following of this video.  If you seek vapidity and boredom, watch the entirety of her blithering, rambling, pitiful whining. 

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#44892421

 

I have no objections to prayer.  What I do object to is anyone's contention that he/she has received a personal sign or message directly from God. From  such claims proceed all kinds of deception,  charlatanry, and chicanery!

I have no objections to prayer. What I do object to is anyone's contention that he/she has received a personal sign or message directly from God. From such claims proceed all kinds of deception, charlatanry, and chicanery!

 

 

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Then you should have a problem with everyone in the world that claims they prayed and god "touched their hearts", "lead" them somewhere, or "told them the answer", which would be every christian.

 

Odd that they'd even write hymns about it.

 

 

In The Garden

By: Charles Austin Miles, 1913

I come to the garden alone
While the dew is still on the roses
And the voice I hear, falling on my ear
The Son of God discloses

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

He speaks and the sound of His voice
Is so sweet the birds hush their singing
And the melody that He gave to me
Within my heart is ringing

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

I’d stay in the garden with Him
‘Tho the night around me be falling
But He bids me go; through the voice of woe
His voice to me is calling

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

It came to mind when I was posting how every christian claims to talk to god and he talks to them, but like I keep saying, now all of a sudden the democrats figure they can use that against republicans. Another one I remember is:

 

Have a little talk with Jesus
Tell God about your troubles
He'll hear the faintest cry
And answer bye and bye
Feel the prayer wheel turning
Know that the fire's burning
Just a talk with Jesus makes it all right

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

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I guess you forgot the discussion we had that posting in caps is a form of yelling at somene?

 

How do you know that Perry "truly" believes in God? I'm curious if God has whispered this bit of info in your ear?  Most politicians play the Christian card for votes.

Personally it doesn't bother me to hear someone say he or she talks to a guide, deceased relatives, Spirit, God, or gods or herself.  If praying, singing, dancing, drawing, meditating, yoga, Reiki, thinking, walking in nature or whatever helps a person center and balance himself, cool too.  If someone said I prayed on this and I feel it is right for me then I wouldn't be concerned either.

 

It's when a person says, "God told me to do x, y, or z" that bothers me.  My experience is that when people say that for one thing they tend to use it as reasoning to do other things that might not be very reasonable, fair, ethical, or right, and it can be a slippery slope.  I can say God told me I am the next leader of the country and believe that, but it isn't a very big step from there to, "God told me this law or that law isn't right and therefore I am vetoing this bill or insisting this be done whether it takes away freedoms or not  He said I have been sent here to change xyz to reflect His laws".  

 

I just want my government leaders to not be taking directions from and believing that s/he is specially sent here to reshape things to fit his religious views.  If I believe in astrology and I check my horoscope that is not a big deal, but if I decide I need to lead the US according only to what my astrologist told me about how I am chosen to lead the country into war and come out victorious or limit the rights of the people in some way, well that is a slippery slope too.  I would expect a leader to listen to experts on topics, consider alternative options, think about what is best for the people in the US, do whatever centers her, and then act based on that instead of the idea that s/he is the chosen one and God told her it was the thing to do.  

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

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I guess you forgot the discussion we had that posting in caps is a form of yelling at somene?

 

How do you know that Perry "truly" believes in God? I'm curious if God has whispered this bit of info in your ear?  Most politicians play the Christian card for votes.


Good point, semi.  Many say that and who knows what they think?

 

This brings me to the question...

 

Why do we need a president who truly believes in God to lead our country?

I just want my government leaders to not be taking directions from and believing that s/he is specially sent here to reshape things to fit his religious views. If I believe in astrology and I check my horoscope that is not a big deal, but if I decide I need to lead the US according only to what my astrologist told me about how I am chosen to lead the country into war and come out victorious or limit the rights of the people in some way, well that is a slippery slope too. I would expect a leader to listen to experts on topics, consider alternative options, think about what is best for the people in the US, do whatever centers her, and then act based on that instead of the idea that s/he is the chosen one and God told her it was the thing to do.

 

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That's what I want too, be they democrat or republican, and right now they both use religion, just differently.

Jennifer, if you can't see that Pelosi asking Cardinals and Bishops to talk to their flock about immigration reform is a WHOLE lot different from "God told me to run", then it's simply because you don't WANT to.

 

This is why I asked you (although you refused to answer) how you can reconcile your atheism and your politics. It is a FACT that many Republicans want to bring God inot politics. It is also a fact that Dems in general, do NOT want religion and politics mixed.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 

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You're right Pup, There's most of us that need help in all areas and too many

haven't a clue about it.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I have no objections to prayer. What I do object to is anyone's contention that he/she has received a personal sign or message directly from God. From such claims proceed all kinds of deception, charlatanry, and chicanery!

 

 

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Then you should have a problem with everyone in the world that claims they prayed and god "touched their hearts", "lead" them somewhere, or "told them the answer", which would be every christian.

Not so.  Mrs Perry likened her message from God to the burning bush event in the book of Exodus. That was an extraordinary and miraculous call  from God to Moses.  Not quite like someone praying and feeling like they got what they asked for.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I didn't say getting what they "ask for". Read my post again. Christians have been saying "god told them so and so" ,or they "talk to god" and "god answers" for as long as I can remember. That includes democrats as well as republicans.

 

 

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I do whatever my Rice Krispies tell me to do.

 

They're always saying stuff like "Crap! Snopple! Prak!"

 

(They're a lil' bit stale...)

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 


are you perfect roadpuppy? sometimes we hit the wrong keys.at least you read what i wrote.rep.or demo. America needs help period. and who other than god can help us.If you know of anyone please let us know.

Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

 Odd that they'd even write hymns about it.

 

In The Garden

By: Charles Austin Miles, 1913


I come to the garden alone
While the dew is still on the roses
And the voice I hear, falling on my ear
The Son of God discloses

 

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

 

He speaks and the sound of His voice
Is so sweet the birds hush their singing
And the melody that He gave to me
Within my heart is ringing

 

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

 

I’d stay in the garden with Him
‘Tho the night around me be falling
But He bids me go; through the voice of woe
His voice to me is calling

 

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known


Hi Jennifer,

 

Isn't  that a beautiful hymn?  It is one of my favorites -- and every single word of it is true.  That is the beauty of the song.   Yes, such peace, such comfort, such eternal security.

 

Jennifer, with all my heart -- I wish the words of this song upon you and your life.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by mary haddock:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 


are you perfect roadpuppy? sometimes we hit the wrong keys.at least you read what i wrote.rep.or demo. America needs help period. and who other than god can help us.If you know of anyone please let us know.

Nope. I'm not perfect, but I make every effort to be.  All the time.

 

If you sit around bizzatching and waiting for something "magical" to help America-you'll find yourself very old and still waiting for the Great Pumpkin.

 

"We" are the only ones who can help our country.  "We" voted the current brand of crazies into office and "we" can vote them right the #$&* back out and hopefully get somebody in there who knows what he or she is doing.

 


 

but who can we trust roadpuppy? they all get up and make promise's that they can't do anything about.we have a bunch of money hungry leaders,i live from pay check to pay check,and it is a struggle,because there are no pay raise to keep up with higher food,light bills,etc.to be honest i don't know what is true anymore.but i still believe there is a god.i'm not perfect,but i try to be the best i can be.no hard feelins toward you.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

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So the God you believe in is so impotent that mere men can kick Him out of this country?

Get real, Mary, God is not the wimp you envision. He is still around.

 

Constitutionally respecting the religious rights and beliefs of others does not equate to removing God from anywhere.  You no doubt are among those who would return government-directed, government-controlled prayer to public school classrooms.  I am amazed that so many conservatives who want the government out of their private business are nevertheless willing to let government into that most private and personal business of prayer to God and to allow government to tell public school children WHEN to pray, to WHOM to pray, for WHAT to pray, and in WHOSE NAME to pray.

 

Consistency is a indeed a jewel!

i know my god is still around.and i for one think the bible ought to be taught in school as a suject,for anyone that wants to study it.i know your gonna say thats what church is for..no i don't like the government running my life,its seems we have no choice anymore.sometimes i wonder why we even vote,who ever some people want in office is who gets it.we are in a mess in america. i hope god see's fit to bless us some way,but if we continue to turn our backs to him,he is not going to bless our country.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

i know my god is still around.and i for one think the bible ought to be taught in school as a suject,for anyone that wants to study it.i know your gonna say thats what church is for..no i don't like the government running my life,its seems we have no choice anymore.sometimes i wonder why we even vote,who ever some people want in office is who gets it.we are in a mess in america. i hope god see's fit to bless us some way,but if we continue to turn our backs to him,he is not going to bless our country.


I am happy that you are content with your religious choices and that you feel your God is caring for you.  The funny part is though, that you don't seem to see that if the government did say we should have Bible study in schools there would be many problems created and it would be intrusive government interference.  If the Bible is taught then all the other religious books would have to be as well, and then parents would be pulling students out right and left.  Would you want your kids to study the Qu'ran or Jewish law instead of doing their math or studying Norse Gods or whatever the flavor of the week would be?  I bet not since you want them to learn about your God and your choice of holy book,, and also your personal interpretation of the Bible as well.

 

And of course those who were atheists or agnostics or who didn't want some person in a classroom doing what they might perceive as wasting time on fairy tales, so then you would have another whole segment wanting their kids out.  I have a suggestion that might work better.  How about the parents who want their kids to have religious education at school just choose the private school of their choice and send their children there instead?    That way your kids can study the Bible all you want them too and the kids of parents who want their kids to go to school for socialization and academics can teach their kids whatever they want at home.  You wouldn't be turning your back on God, so really you should be fine, and those who don't choose to worship him won't be required to turn their backs on what they believe.

 

I agree sometimes it doesn't seem to matter how we vote and it is really discouraging...sigh.  But the tides bring in some leaders you might want one time and ones I might like another time, so I guess it all evens out in the end as long as everyone is ethical.  That is a scary thought for another thread, but I would say that we just do the best we can and live our lives the way we believe is right...it's all I can personally think of to do besides support each other and turn to each other instead of becoming more divisive.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

i live from pay check to pay check,and it is a struggle,because there are no pay raise to keep up with higher food,light bills,etc.to be honest i don't know what is true anymore.but i still believe there is a god.

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I'm sorry you have to struggle but why is God allowing you to struggle? From what I hear some people say, God answers prayers so maybe you should try praying for the struggle to end.

quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

You can "teach" the bible in your home mary, or yes, in your church. Leave other peoples kids alone about it. If they want their children taught from a fictional book they can do it. If you want someone good to govern this country concentrate on the man instead of religion.


Hi Jennifer,

 

If you will read Mary's post, you will find that she wrote, "I for one think the Bible ought to be taught in school as a subject -- for anyone that wants to study it."

 

In other words, it would be an Elective Course.   So, your children could NOT elect to take the course -- or YOU could forbid them from taking the course.   When I was in school at Sheffield, typing was an elective course.  I took it -- and today I am happy about that decision.

 

Some children ELECTING to take a course in the Bible -- may, just as well, in later years appreciate the fact that it was offered.  How can you complain about a course on the Bible being ELECTIVE?  Or is it that you want to forbid ANYONE from studying the Bible.  If you will be honest, I believe we would find that is your real goal; not just protecting children from Elective Courses in school.

 

Jennifer, if you want to be an atheist and deny God; that is your choice.  God bless you.  However, why would you deny others the right to study the Bible, as an Elective, if that is their choice?

 

Do you hate God so much -- that you want to forbid everyone from worshiping Him or reading His book?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

i know my god is still around.and i for one think the bible ought to be taught in school as a suject,for anyone that wants to study it.i know your gonna say thats what church is for..no i don't like the government running my life,its seems we have no choice anymore.sometimes i wonder why we even vote,who ever some people want in office is who gets it.we are in a mess in america. i hope god see's fit to bless us some way,but if we continue to turn our backs to him,he is not going to bless our country.


I am happy that you are content with your religious choices and that you feel your God is caring for you.  The funny part is though, that you don't seem to see that if the government did say we should have Bible study in schools there would be many problems created and it would be intrusive government interference.  If the Bible is taught then all the other religious books would have to be as well, and then parents would be pulling students out right and left.  Would you want your kids to study the Qu'ran or Jewish law instead of doing their math or studying Norse Gods or whatever the flavor of the week would be?  I bet not since you want them to learn about your God and your choice of holy book,, and also your personal interpretation of the Bible as well.

 

And of course those who were atheists or agnostics or who didn't want some person in a classroom doing what they might perceive as wasting time on fairy tales, so then you would have another whole segment wanting their kids out.  I have a suggestion that might work better.  How about the parents who want their kids to have religious education at school just choose the private school of their choice and send their children there instead?    That way your kids can study the Bible all you want them too and the kids of parents who want their kids to go to school for socialization and academics can teach their kids whatever they want at home.  You wouldn't be turning your back on God, so really you should be fine, and those who don't choose to worship him won't be required to turn their backs on what they believe.

 

I agree sometimes it doesn't seem to matter how we vote and it is really discouraging...sigh.  But the tides bring in some leaders you might want one time and ones I might like another time, so I guess it all evens out in the end as long as everyone is ethical.  That is a scary thought for another thread, but I would say that we just do the best we can and live our lives the way we believe is right...it's all I can personally think of to do besides support each other and turn to each other instead of becoming more divisive.

i understand what you are saying,guess i didn't realize what i was saying,yes i will stick to the god  and jesus i believe in.yes everyone has their own beliefs,but it is my nature to want people to go to heaven,because i believe there is one,i don't push my beliefs on anyone,to those that don't believe what if there is a hell and heaven,what then,? the bible i read says every knee shall bow.

Bill, "speaking" for mary? No bill, I don't hate your god. Your god doesn't exist. And as crusty ask but you will ignore, what else will be taught in school? Are you willing to bring in the book of mormon, the koran, scientology, wiccan, and all other religions? Who will teach the bible bill? What denomination will the "teacher" be? Will they "teach" in your bible class that the earth is only 6,000 years old while they are being taught in another class that it is indeed millions of years old? So bill, you that know everything but know nothing at all, tell us how that would work. Who would pay the teachers bill? Do you expect taxpayers to foot the bill, or will churches finally do what they should have been doing all along and start paying taxes?

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

You can "teach" the bible in your home mary, or yes, in your church. Leave other peoples kids alone about it. If they want their children taught from a fictional book they can do it. If you want someone good to govern this country concentrate on the man instead of religion.


Hi Jennifer,

 

If you will read Mary's post, you will find that she wrote, "I for one think the Bible ought to be taught in school as a subject -- for anyone that wants to study it."

 

In other words, it would be an Elective Course.   So, your children could NOT elect to take the course -- or YOU could forbid them from taking the course.   When I was in school at Sheffield, typing was an elective course.  I took it -- and today I am happy about that decision.

 

Some children ELECTING to take a course in the Bible -- may, just as well, in later years appreciate the fact that it was offered.  How can you complain about a course on the Bible being ELECTIVE?  Or is it that you want to forbid ANYONE from studying the Bible.  If you will be honest, I believe we would find that is your real goal; not just protecting children from Elective Courses in school.

 

Jennifer, if you want to be an atheist and deny God; that is your choice.  God bless you.  However, why would you deny others the right to study the Bible, as an Elective, if that is their choice?

 

Do you hate God so much -- that you want to forbid everyone from worshiping Him or reading His book?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Oh, Bill, there you go again twisting words and trying to make others seem hateful or controlling.  The reality is YOU are twisting things again and saying things that just aren't true.

 

The Bible and other books are offered as a course of study in some places of higher education as true electives, so if a person chose to take it there it is available.  Where did anyone ever say that those who believe in the Bible (or other religious books) shouldn't be allowed to study them?  You can twist words and make up things all you want, but we all know no one here said children shouldn't be allowed to read or study the Bible.  That is just silly and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that.

 

All anyone is saying is that besides the logistical nightmare of trying to accommodate all faiths in your religious school elective programs, there is no need for studying the Bible in a public school.  Any parent who wants a child to study the Bible can do so and you totally and absolutely know that.  Parents send their children to Christian or whatever other faith schools for that reason, and you know that.  What do the children do in Sunday school and all the other times they go to church???  

 

If a parent wants to have a child study Bible or whatever else from morning until night, all weekend, and every other time s/he is free to do so of course, but you knew that already.  There is NO need for a Bible elective course in public schools at all since there is ample opportunity for any parent to teach it according to whatever the family's particular interpretations may be outside school.  Public school isn't for that and you know that.  It's just another opportunity to get in some digs at anyone who doesn't agree with you.  No one is denying children a chance to study the Bible and you know it...lol.  How about you try being honest with yourself instead of trying to make others seem to have an agenda that you made up in your head?

 

I could ask you as you asked...do you hate religious freedom so much that you actually believe that it would be appropriate to teach the Bible in public schools when they have so much else they need to learn during those hours already and the Bible is available for anyone to learn at all other times of the day?  Do you need to compare taking typing to studying a religious text in order to make your point?  It isn't the same thing and you know it.  What would you be saying if it was another religious book that was chosen to study instead of the one you believe is the right one?

 

So go get your kids to take elective Bible courses at a church, church school, home, Christian college, or wherever you like...except public school.  I think you would find that most people don't care what you or your kids read, but just that one religion's book isn't treated as "THE ONE" and taught in school.  You can't get away with your twisting...no one said anything you said s/he did and you know that in your heart if you are honest with yourself.

Hi Frog,
 
You tell me, "All anyone is saying is that besides the logistical nightmare of trying to accommodate all faiths in your religious school elective programs, there is no need for studying the Bible in a public school."

 

Frog, in school the children are required to study English -- but, they can ELECT to also study French, Latin, etc.   There is never a call to offer ALL world languages as ELECTIVES -- only a select few -- the important ones.   So, yes, schools can cover all bases by offering ELECTIVE classes in the Bible and another in the CULTS.  This would cover all the other religions.  Actually, most schools do offer a class in World Religions.   I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Hi Frog,
 
You tell me, "All anyone is saying is that besides the logistical nightmare of trying to accommodate all faiths in your religious school elective programs, there is no need for studying the Bible in a public school."

 

Frog, in school the children are required to study English -- but, they can ELECT to also study French, Latin, etc.   There is never a call to offer ALL world languages as ELECTIVES -- only a select few -- the important ones.   So, yes, schools can cover all bases by offering ELECTIVE classes in the Bible and another in the CULTS.  This would cover all the other religions.  Actually, most schools do offer a class in World Religions.   I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Oh seriously, surely you know that teaching a language to children does contribute to their education and future ability to become employed and communicate, and you do know that religion is NOT the same as a language at all, but you don't want to admit there is a difference.  Religion is simply a personal interpretation of beliefs, and I wouldn't want a class in Atheism taught either since it is part of a personal belief system.  

 

You are seriously blind if you don't see that many other religions of the world see Christianity as a cult and would argue that YOU might think yours is one of the important ones, but others may not.  You talked at a college?  Wow, how awesome!  That doesn't make your religion any more right or "the only" one, you know.  I think it's awesome to have a World Religions class in college, but NOT in anything below that since kids can go get that at home/church if the parents desire (and ours have and will continue to).  They are old enough in college to at least begin to understand that your view is just that...your view, and they have hopefully  received the tools they need to process the professors'  information as a study of literature and not a religion class that tells them there is one way to think more clearly than at younger ages.  They or the parents pay for whatever they learn and if they want to get a degree or take a class in religion cool beans.  I'll pass on the PowerPoint, thanks, although I'm sure it was interesting.  I'm sure the students thought it was, too, but perhaps not in the way you think.

 

You outdo yourself sometimes.  A class in the Bible and one in the cults...you just made my point.  If all the others are cults so is yours, but you won't see that and that is why religious education doesn't belong in public schools.  

quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

Bill, "speaking" for mary?  No bill, I don't hate your god. Your god doesn't exist. And as crusty ask but you will ignore, what else will be taught in school?  Are you willing to bring in the book of mormon, the koran, scientology, wiccan, and all other religions?  Who will teach the bible bill?  What denomination will the "teacher" be?  Will they "teach" in your bible class that the earth is only 6,000 years old while they are being taught in another class that it is indeed millions of years old?  So bill, you that know everything but know nothing at all, tell us how that would work.  Who would pay the teachers bill? Do you expect taxpayers to foot the bill, or will churches finally do what they should have been doing all along and start paying taxes? 


Hi Jennifer,

 

Yes, I am willing to have all those religions taught as a ELECTIVE class.  They could actually do this in one ELECTIVE class -- WORLD AND CULT RELIGIONS.

 

In school the children are required to study English -- but, they can ELECT to also study French, Latin, etc.   There is never a call to offer ALL world languages as ELECTIVES -- only a select few -- the important ones.   So, yes, schools can cover all bases by offering ELECTIVE classes in the Bible and another in the World Religions and CULTS.  This would cover all the other religions. 

 

Actually, most schools do offer a class in World Religions.   I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.   It is titled "It All Began With Creation!"  I have other PowerPoint presentations I can also share: "We Believe" -- "End Times - Part 1" -- and, "End Times - Part 2."    I will be happy to share them with anyone who will PM me their e-mail address.

 

You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible.  That could be handled in one of two ways.  Either a Christian teacher could do this.  I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that c****.   Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it. 

 

You ask which denomination.   Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations?  This way, students could get a good overview of them all.  When I was in high school in Sheffield, we had local clergy from Protestant, Roman Catholic, and Jewish churches come to our school each week and speak to the student body.   Guess what?  Not one single complaint from anyone!   Not even we non-Christians complained -- for we enjoyed those assemblies.  I especially enjoyed the Jewish Rabbi.  He told us to just call him Rabbi Rubber Band -- since his name was hard to pronounce and it did rhyme with rubber band.

 

And, Jennifer -- surprise, surprise -- I was not harmed in the slightest by spending one hour a week in the assemblies hearing local clergy speak and hearing prayers.  Honest, not one scar is showing from what you would call this horrible experience.

 

So, yes -- let's have two ELECTIVE classes in our schools: (1) The Bible, and (2) The Cults.

 

Sounds like a win-win situation to me!   But, I will admit that for those who wet their pants every time they hear the name "God' -- may need to bring extra underclothing with them.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Sounds like a win-win situation to me! But, I will admit that for those who wet their pants every time they hear the name "God' -- may need to bring extra underclothing with them.

 

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And you think that people would want you or anyone like you speaking to their children? The way you "talk" with your statements such as the one above?  And your religion is only important to you and people like you, it is not the most important one to others. Now tell me, who would pay for all this? Who would decide which ones are cults? Again, people like you? No thanks.

And, Jennifer -- surprise, surprise -- I was not harmed in the slightest by spending one hour a week in the assemblies hearing local clergy speak and hearing prayers. Honest, not one scar is showing from what you would call this horrible experience.

 

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Something sure messed up your head.

So, yes -- let's have two ELECTIVE classes in our schools: (1) The Bible, and (2) The Cults.

 


Bill, you did it again!  You made the point that you can't see this as a world religion class.  You see it as another chance to teach kids that your way is right and everyone else is wrong.  No, I don't any of your friends or church members teaching a class on religion in my kids' school since they are there to learn the subjects they need to become educated adults and not indoctrinated and inflexible.  I can teach them world religions  fine at home and at my own church and we do, actually.  There are plenty of religious private schools for parents who want that taught in school, so there is NO need to have it in public schools. and you know it.  It isn't a fear they will learn about the Bible, but it is the knowledge I want them to learn about it a a book, not the only way to think.

 

The cults????  What a joke your idea is.  You want your kids in religion class at school?  You are free to send them to private school.  How about we have some useful elective classes that will actually make economic and educational sense instead of adding religion classes to the schedule if we happen to have some money left over.  Two classes...one your way and the other would be cults... 

As I have pointed out before, Bill Gray would like nothing more than to turn this country into a theocracy. He will deny it every time it is said, but then he post things like he did above and proves I and other here are right. If he had the power he would teach Christianity in our public schools as the only valid religion or belief system. All others would be cults.

 

Those who think like Bill Gray are a danger to our democracy and everything that our country is founded on.

 
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Frog,
I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.

Bill


Originally Posted by frog:

I'll pass on the PowerPoint, thanks, although I'm sure it was interesting.  I'm sure the students thought it was, too, but perhaps not in the way you think.

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Bill loves to brag about his speeches & his supposed knowledge of the Bible & computers. Usually people that have to brag like he does, doesn't know jack crap & has a low self-esteem problem.

 

James 4:16 says "But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil". If the Bible is to be believed, then Bill Gray is evil.

 

Wouldn't you have loved to hear the conversation of those students after class? 

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

I wonder if Bill would be okay with teaching the Torah as an elective, then all the others as World and Cult religions. 

 

Bill is clueless at exactly how many people he will offend with his idea, including most Christians.


Well, that plan is as rational as teaching any other religion as elective...lol.

 

Bill is clueless at exactly how many people he will offend with his idea, including most Christians.

 

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Bill doesn't care who he offends with his nutty ideas. What I find funny is his thinking that only his beliefs would be taught, and that school systems would allow the "teachers" to teach that all others are cults.

You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible. That could be handled in one of two ways. Either a Christian teacher could do this. I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that c****. Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it.

 

You ask which denomination. Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations? This way, students could get a good overview of them all.

 

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I notice you posted a christian should teach the class. Sorry bill, you couldn't do that and be fair about it.

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible. That could be handled in one of two ways. Either a Christian teacher could do this. I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that c****. Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it.

 

You ask which denomination. Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations? This way, students could get a good overview of them all.

 

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I notice you posted a christian should teach the class. Sorry bill, you couldn't do that and be fair about it.

 

 


Thanks for the perspective.  One more time I would say that either these groups are all wrong, lying, really misinformed, or there is not one absolutely correct answer with all the others being wrong.  

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quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible.  That could be handled in one of two ways. Either a Christian teacher could do this.  I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that task.  Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it.

 

You ask which denomination. Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations? This way, students could get a good overview of them all.

I notice you posted a christian should teach the class. Sorry bill, you couldn't do that and be fair about it.

Hi Jennifer,

 

Only a Christian believer could effectively teach an ELECTIVE class on the Bible. 

 

However, if YOU want to teach the ELECTIVE class on world religions and cults, I would have no problem with that. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Only a Christian believer could effectively teach an ELECTIVE class on the Bible.

 

However, if YOU want to teach the ELECTIVE class on world religions and cults, I would have no problem with that.

 

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And that attitude you have is why it will never happen. You ain't topdog and you don't get to call the shots. If I taught about cults, yours would be at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

god tells me to stop,he will bring people to their knees,then they will know that he is who he is. so be it in jesus name, AMEN


Stop what?  I am confused.  Stop posting in this thread?  Stop what?

some of you seem to have all the answers. so you don't want to hear the truth. so i'm not going to reply  to these post,i am not going to argue with anyone,as to what i believe.god is the father,jesus is the son of god. now and forever.

Hi Mary Haddock,

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

I just received the following e-mail newsletter from Dr. David Jeremiah:

 

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PUSHED TO THE EDGE
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ . . ."  Romans 1:16

 

We've all experienced it:  A clique of "cool kids" at school decides to reduce our significance.  We aren't welcomed or included.  We  may even be called unpleasant names.  In the workplace, a particular employee might not be invited to significant policy meetings or is excluded from social gatherings. This treatment is what the Bible is experiencing today in our culture.  God's Word is being  "marginalized" -- pushed to the edge of our families and even our churches!

The gradual process of marginalization happens so slowly that we almost don't notice societal shifts till after the fact.  We wake up one day and the Bible has moved from a central position of education and authority to a shelf next to books by leading atheists, trivializing its content and intimidating its readers.

You and I can't control how others view or treat the Bible.  But there's one place we can stop its marginalization: our own lives.  When we do that, the Bible will gain new traction in our homes, churches, and communities.  Don't miss the significance of living in this particular moment of history.  Nothing could be more dangerous than to wander thoughtlessly down the path of marginalizing the Bible.

 

"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself  -- but because it contradicts them." 

Author Unknown
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I just want to share this with you.  Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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some of you seem to have all the answers. so you don't want to hear the truth. so i'm not going to reply to these post,i am not going to argue with anyone,as to what i believe.god is the father,jesus is the son of god. now and forever.

 

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Well mary it seems you think you have all the answers seeing as how you think you're posting the "truth".

Welcome to the Religion Forum. Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin. Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

 

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What negativity bill? What "spiritual" darkness? You sure don't seem joyful. You can't even answer simple questions.

I'm no expert on the Jewish religion, but Sheffield was partly founded by a Jewish man. It had many Jewish settlers and a temple. It is possible they shared a rabbi with Florence.

 

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Anything is possible but I still think it's very doubtful the highschool would bring in any other religious "speaker" besides your good old fashioned baptist preachers. This was the early 50s in sheffield alabama.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:
Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

god tells me to stop,he will bring people to their knees,then they will know that he is who he is. so be it in jesus name, AMEN


Stop what?  I am confused.  Stop posting in this thread?  Stop what?

some of you seem to have all the answers. so you don't want to hear the truth. so i'm not going to reply  to these post,i am not going to argue with anyone,as to what i believe.god is the father,jesus is the son of god. now and forever.


I personally don't have all the answers and I respect that you believe in God.  No, just as no one will convince you there is no God as you couldn't convince people there is one, and there is no point in us all trying to change others' views.  But really it is possible to discuss our views and not argue...if you have found what/who is your belief system then I am happy for you and wish you peace with it

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Mary Haddock,

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

I just received the following e-mail newsletter from Dr. David Jeremiah:

 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PUSHED TO THE EDGE
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ . . ."  Romans 1:16

 

We've all experienced it:  A clique of "cool kids" at school decides to reduce our significance.  We aren't welcomed or included.  We  may even be called unpleasant names.  In the workplace, a particular employee might not be invited to significant policy meetings or is excluded from social gatherings. This treatment is what the Bible is experiencing today in our culture.  God's Word is being  "marginalized" -- pushed to the edge of our families and even our churches!

The gradual process of marginalization happens so slowly that we almost don't notice societal shifts till after the fact.  We wake up one day and the Bible has moved from a central position of education and authority to a shelf next to books by leading atheists, trivializing its content and intimidating its readers.

You and I can't control how others view or treat the Bible.  But there's one place we can stop its marginalization: our own lives.  When we do that, the Bible will gain new traction in our homes, churches, and communities.  Don't miss the significance of living in this particular moment of history.  Nothing could be more dangerous than to wander thoughtlessly down the path of marginalizing the Bible.

 

"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself  -- but because it contradicts them." 

Author Unknown
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I just want to share this with you.  Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, if a Christian is excluded it isn't going to be because of his Christianity.  It will be because of his behavior.  If you ever lived in this area you will know that the opposite is true here.  If you aren't Christian it is likely you will be treated differently than if you are.

 

I know it helps you feel better about yourself, but the assumption that everyone except those who think as you do are in spiritual darkness is pretty arrogant.  

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I'm no expert on the Jewish religion, but Sheffield was partly founded by a Jewish man. It had many Jewish settlers and a temple. It is possible they shared a rabbi with Florence.

 

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Anything is possible but I still think it's very doubtful the highschool would bring in any other religious "speaker" besides your good old fashioned baptist preachers. This was the early 50s in sheffield alabama.


I would say that would still be pretty doubtful, actually.

Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
Such a shame she is so delusional. She is another one needing professional help. She really does just need to stop putting her "faith" into something so silly, if for no other reason than it seems to be driving her over the edge.

Well, it isn't any different to call her faith silly than it is for Bill or others to call not believing silly I would say.  Now Perry's wife's behavior is silly in that she doesn't get that they aren't treated the way they are because they believe in God, but because of the way they act.  All the presidents I know of have believed in God, so that isn't a big deal.  It's how they behave about their beliefs that gets them treated how they have been and the victim mentality about the consequences of their behavior.  

 

If a person ran on a platform of forcing all religious people to stop attending church the person would be attacked and rightfully so, just as the idea of forcing the Christian beliefs upon everyone gets attacked.  She did seem pretty upset for so early in a campaign, and that isn't a good sign.

Well frog, one thing I "don't get" about democrats is their ability to overlook the religious aspects in their own party while using the "religious right" aspect of the republican party to attack all of us. Jimmy carter is "bill gray" religious, just "eat up with it", but for some reason not a peep about that and still to this day he drags his wrinkled old **** around campaigning for the democrats. Look  at the church where obama sat his butt for 20 years and would still be sitting if he hadn't run for president. Democrats know very well how to use religion and they do it just as much. They will use things like this against perry, and by the way they attack the lds now we can just imagine the "firestorm" we'll see if romney is the candidate.

Best, I seriously don't care if a candidate is a believer or not. As frog said it how they bring it into their leadership or say that others should be like them that throws up red flags for me. Take Huckabee, not long ago he said that every American should read what David Barton wrote, even if it took holding a gun on them to make them. Perry is completely in bed with this 7 mountains Dominionism movement. When I hear a candidate (regardless of party) say the things that Bachmann and Perry say, I am sure to oppose them as president.  I am not for Romney because of his stance on DOMA and evolution. He has changed his stance on both of those things and if he had not started talking like a religious nut about those issues I might have considered him a good candidate. Has nothing to do with what religion he practices in his private life.

 

As for Jimmy Carter, he is a very good man that does a lot of good for humanity. He sucked as president, but he is still respected as a kind and fair human being. Once again I don't care what his religious beliefs are he never tried to or trys to force it on others, nor does he believe in governing based on that belief. Regardless, he is not in the running for president or any other political office that I know of.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Mary Haddock,
Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.
Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.
Bill

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Yeah, Mary. Try not to let the extremely negative, hat wearer Bill Gray get to you. Keep in mind that his is a religion of Hell & d a mnation. No room for love/compassion/ kindness in this "Christian".

Please do not let his kind of Christianity discourage you. I think he actually doesn't know he's walking in spiritual darkness. Be sure to pay attention when he makes fun of others & uses his stupid cartoons to call us names, & put others down.

Is huckabee running? I'd say he has as much of a right to his religious opinion as does carter. But that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. Perry isn't my candidate, can't say that enough, and after all is said and done in the religious area of politics I still say both sides use religion. I know there is no way to have a candidate without the spectre of religion hanging over them. I accept that because right now that is how politics work.  I look for the candidate that I most agree with on issues not related to religion, and if I can't agree with a candidate on those issues I will just pass on voting.  And to the people that say "if you don't vote you can't complain" I say BS. I have every right to complain if I don't feel we had a candidate that I felt comfortable voting for, or if I don't like the one in office even if I didn't "vote against" them.

David Barton is a pseudo historian, who has made it his life's work to re-write history to say that this country was founded on and meant to be a Christian nation. I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle. They then applauded him for his statement that Barton should be be broadcast to the whole nation and they should all listen. Check it out here:

 

http://www.opednews.com/articl...odda-110330-577.html

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I look for the candidate that I most agree with on issues

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Me too. I don't care if he believes in God or not. Hopefully, someone this time will get in there & do what he says he's going to. It's not as if he can pray that God will fix our country & God will do it. Religion is brought into it because it's all about getting those Christian votes.

I think Mrs. Perry just wants to live in the White House.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well frog, one thing I "don't get" about democrats is their ability to overlook the religious aspects in their own party while using the "religious right" aspect of the republican party to attack all of us. Jimmy carter is "bill gray" religious, just "eat up with it", but for some reason not a peep about that and still to this day he drags his wrinkled old **** around campaigning for the democrats. Look  at the church where obama sat his butt for 20 years and would still be sitting if he hadn't run for president. Democrats know very well how to use religion and they do it just as much. They will use things like this against perry, and by the way they attack the lds now we can just imagine the "firestorm" we'll see if romney is the candidate.


I wouldn't expect someone to not have beliefs, and I didn't see Carter trying to force his beliefs on everyone or trying to change laws or run a religious agenda...maybe I missed something.  I liked Carter and still do, and when he talked about his faith in interviews he didn't come across to me as trying to mold America after his religious beliefs.  I enjoy being around people of any faith who just live their faith and are kind and compassionate people.  Why shouldn't Democrats have faith as well?  It tends to be a more personal and less "I know the right way and am an amazing Christian who knows how you should live and shall make sure you do as I think you should" generally, but of course there are exceptions.  When we make these generalizations it all leads to others jumping the exceptions though, and that applies to anyone in a conversation I think.

 

I think the problem with making judgments publicly about everyone else is that if the person makes a mistake himself there will of course be more public comments and it is seen as hypocritical.  I don't think Democrats said it isn't good to have faith or beliefs, but I guess for me the difference is I never got at a podium and called out others for "sinning" and if I "sin" it is my own business.  Just in general, but it is a trend I have seen

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I look for the candidate that I most agree with on issues

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Me too. I don't care if he believes in God or not. Hopefully, someone this time will get in there & do what he says he's going to. It's not as if he can pray that God will fix our country & God will do it. Religion is brought into it because it's all about getting those Christian votes.

I think Mrs. Perry just wants to live in the White House.


Whenever I see Perry speak I just see a preacher preaching and not a future president.  I think it relates to using the office to get the religious views in to get the power to get more religious views in to have more power...lol.  Kind of a vicious..and dangerous cycle is the feeling I get from him.

 

And yes, as long as a candidate isn't saying or acting as if he plans to turn the country into a nice big church of his choosing I go for his/her stands on issues.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

David Barton is a pseudo historian, who has made it his life's work to re-write history to say that this country was founded on and meant to be a Christian nation. I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle. They then applauded him for his statement that Barton should be be broadcast to the whole nation and they should all listen. Check it out here:

 

http://www.opednews.com/articl...odda-110330-577.html

 


Scary stuff because some will believe...sigh.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle.

 

 

 

 

I have already seen it.  You didn't see a joke just like you didn't see in the other article you posted a few days ago the author said  Bush wanted a theocracy.

 

Right here:

conservative columnist Ross Douthat wrote, “the fear of theocracy has become a defining panic of the Bush era.”

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So when you read that statement you comprehend it saying that Bush tried to establish a theocracy?

 

 

 

 

(BTW, I hate the formatting of this place-ARRRGGGG)

I agree on the formatting, b.  It is just awful.

 

I just thought I would clarify that I would definitely vote for an atheist for President (or anything else) if the candidate's platform was agreeable to me.  But if that person ran on or acted as if abolishing religion or forbidding people to go to church was part of the plan, then I wouldn't vote for the candidate.  No one should be trampling on the right to worship or not worship and church and state should be separate in my personal view.

Originally Posted by frog:

"I know the right way and am an amazing Christian who knows how you should live and shall make sure you do as I think you should"

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Originally Posted by frog:

Whenever I see Perry speak I just see a preacher preaching and not a future president.  

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Hey, you just described Bill Gray!

 

That's weird that you mentioned that about Perry. We were watching him a few days ago & I remarked to my husband that he sounded more like a preacher than a presidential candidate. He looks the part of a preacher too. 

quote:   Originally Posted by Infomercial:
quote: Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

I wonder too, where did sheffield find a rabbi in the 50's? How far did that guy have to travel?

I'm no expert on the Jewish religion, but Sheffield was partly founded by a Jewish man. It had many Jewish settlers and a temple. It is possible they shared a rabbi with Florence.

Hi Info,

 

I am not sure where Rabbi Rubber Band's church, or temple, was located.  But, I know that he was a regular speaker at Sheffield High's weekly assemblies.  And, all the students, even we who were not believers, really enjoyed him.

 

And, of course, the Roman Catholic church was just down the street; so the priest did not have to travel far.

 

And, as some have mentioned -- being a Southern city, Sheffield had several Protestant clergy around -- even a few Baptists!

 

Jennifer, you ask, "I wonder too, where did Sheffield find a Rabbi in the 50's?  How far did that guy have to travel?"

 

My Friend, I realize that "way back in the 1950s" was long before you were born -- but, you might ask your parents or grandparents.  I am sure they will remember Rabbi Rubber Band.

 

And, for we "old timers" -- Sheffield had a store on Montgomery Avenue, in the heart of town, named Busy Bee.   It was owned and operated by a Jewish family.  Jennifer, there were Jewish families in Sheffield and the rest of the Shoals area -- way back then.  Maybe our schools should do a better job of teaching relatively recent history to you young folks.

 

Just curious, Jennifer, do you remember when the TriCities (that was the old timer's name for Sheffield, Tuscumbia, and Florence) -- had only three high schools:  Sheffield High, Deshler, and Coffee.  Those were the days, my Friend.  Competition was fierce in our sports. 

 

No, it was only football, baseball, basketball, and track.  No horse racing, fishing contests, or hay bailing contests.   But, as I said, Jennifer, ask your parents or grandparents.  I am sure they will remember the good old days -- when Rabbi Rubber Band came to speak to us.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Oh, BTW, Bill. This area, Muscle Shoals, Tuscumbia, Sheffield, & Florence is still referred to as the Tri-Cities. Competition is still fierce in our sports. You haven't lived in this area for years & know nothing about it.

 

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Florence Times Tri-Cities Daily.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

 

 

Oh, BTW, Bill. This area, Muscle Shoals, Tuscumbia, Sheffield, & Florence is still referred to as the Tri-Cities.

 

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Which pretty much explains the fundamental problem with trying to introduce any subjects beyond the basics.  It's just too much for these people to handle.

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Mary Haddock,

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

I just received the following e-mail newsletter from Dr. David Jeremiah:

 

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PUSHED TO THE EDGE
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ . . ."  Romans 1:16

 

We've all experienced it:  A clique of "cool kids" at school decides to reduce our significance.  We aren't welcomed or included.  We  may even be called unpleasant names.  In the workplace, a particular employee might not be invited to significant policy meetings or is excluded from social gatherings. This treatment is what the Bible is experiencing today in our culture.  God's Word is being  "marginalized" -- pushed to the edge of our families and even our churches!

The gradual process of marginalization happens so slowly that we almost don't notice societal shifts till after the fact.  We wake up one day and the Bible has moved from a central position of education and authority to a shelf next to books by leading atheists, trivializing its content and intimidating its readers.

You and I can't control how others view or treat the Bible.  But there's one place we can stop its marginalization: our own lives.  When we do that, the Bible will gain new traction in our homes, churches, and communities.  Don't miss the significance of living in this particular moment of history.  Nothing could be more dangerous than to wander thoughtlessly down the path of marginalizing the Bible.

 

"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself  -- but because it contradicts them." 

Author Unknown
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I just want to share this with you.  Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, if a Christian is excluded it isn't going to be because of his Christianity.  It will be because of his behavior.  If you ever lived in this area you will know that the opposite is true here.  If you aren't Christian it is likely you will be treated differently than if you are.

 

I know it helps you feel better about yourself, but the assumption that everyone except those who think as you do are in spiritual darkness is pretty arrogant.  

no one will ever discourage me bill,i know what i know and what i believe,and noone can take that from me,i will pray for all the people that don't believe,i'm sure they believe in something,like i said every knee will bow down to the lord jesus christ,i think we hit some nerves,if they don't believe why ask for proof.i had rather believe than  loose all hope on heaven.

 

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
If you want to "get" Bill, just report him to the Disney Company for copyright violation. They take theft of their property very seriously. I would be willing to bet that he doesn't have permission to use their images. If he doesn't, he is asking for a visit from the FBI. Or, at the very least, a letter from a Disney lawyer.

Thank you Deputy Dawg...............fairy land will sleep better tonight.

 

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

David Barton is a pseudo historian, who has made it his life's work to re-write history to say that this country was founded on and meant to be a Christian nation. I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle. They then applauded him for his statement that Barton should be be broadcast to the whole nation and they should all listen. Check it out here:

 

http://www.opednews.com/articl...odda-110330-577.html

 


Scary stuff because some will believe...sigh.

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The deplorable David Barton was featured on the equally deplorable American Family Association's radio network for about two hours on this past Tuesday.   As anticipated, he spouted off his array of anecdotal incidents and quotations that, in his warped view of things, allegedly establishing that the U.S. is a "Christian nation" and that the concept of separation of church and state has been warped and diluted beyond what the founders and framers intended.  Huckabee's ringing endorsement of this lying little, self-aggrandizing weasel makes me want to barf.  Huckabee's manipulation to remove his own scandalous and intemperate remarks from the video makes we want to dry heave, having barfed all that was barfable in response to Barton's BS.  These theocrats are UN-American and UN-patriotic and any thinking American should repudiate them!

Originally Posted by mary haddock:
i think we hit some nerves,if they don't believe why ask for proof.

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Didn't hit a nerve with me at all. The only nerve you or Bill hit with me is when you put on your hat & presume to tell me how I should live & how/what I should believe.

So if someone doesn't believe, they're not allowed to ask for proof? Isn't that how people learn, by searching or asking questions? Could be some people ask for proof to try & understand how/why people believe in the first place.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Invictus, you reply about fairy land was unnecessary. We have already established that you are an anarchist, who has no respect for the law.

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That was 4 or 5 days ago there quick draw mcgraw, don't worry, I'm not

going to hurt any of your fairy land buddies, unless they skip a payment.

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It came to mind when I was posting how every christian claims to talk to god and he talks to them, but like I keep saying, now all of a sudden the democrats figure they can use that against republicans. Another one I remember is:

 

Have a little talk with Jesus
Tell God about your troubles
He'll hear the faintest cry
And answer bye and bye
Feel the prayer wheel turning
Know that the fire's burning
Just a talk with Jesus makes it all right

Bestworking,

I believe the person who wrote that hymn had a truly close relationship with God which is what inspired them to write it. I appreciate you sharing it. Here is one that I was inspired to write after my life was changed through faith.

 

When I was lost adrift on life's sea

The prince of the air had a storm around me

I couldn't find my way no matter where I turned

so I turned to Gods word the place where I learned

To get down on my knees and give God control

He filled my sails with His breeze and He delivered my soul

He took me out of the storm into the light

He took away all the wrong and made everything alright

Now my life's changed direction one hundred and eighty degrees

I'm sailing to perfection on eternitys sea

Where the waters are calm and His Son's shinning bright

I know I'll stay my course because Heaven's insight 

 

May God bless you!

Originally Posted by Gingee:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It came to mind when I was posting how every christian claims to talk to god and he talks to them, but like I keep saying, now all of a sudden the democrats figure they can use that against republicans. Another one I remember is:

 

Have a little talk with Jesus
Tell God about your troubles
He'll hear the faintest cry
And answer bye and bye
Feel the prayer wheel turning
Know that the fire's burning
Just a talk with Jesus makes it all right

Bestworking,

I believe the person who wrote that hymn had a truly close relationship with God which is what inspired them to write it. I appreciate you sharing it. Here is one that I was inspired to write after my life was changed through faith.

 

When I was lost adrift on life's sea

The prince of the air had a storm around me

I couldn't find my way no matter where I turned

so I turned to Gods word the place where I learned

To get down on my knees and give God control

He filled my sails with His breeze and He delivered my soul

He took me out of the storm into the light

He took away all the wrong and made everything alright

Now my life's changed direction one hundred and eighty degrees

I'm sailing to perfection on eternitys sea

Where the waters are calm and His Son's shinning bright

I know I'll stay my course because Heaven's insight 

 

May God bless you!

There is true happiness in delusion. ©

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