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Rick Santorum isn't OFFICIAL yet, he is still waiting in the wings with Michele Bachmann and a bunch of other crazy.
There are only 2 confirmed candidates for the republicans in 2012:
Fred Karger: who is gay and evidently mad about feminism (?)
AND
(Wait for it)
JIMMY MCMILLAN!!!!!! THE RENT IS TO **** HIGH CANDIDATE FROM NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jon Stewart should send royalty checks to the RNC!
There are only 2 confirmed candidates for the republicans in 2012:
Fred Karger: who is gay and evidently mad about feminism (?)
AND
(Wait for it) JIMMY MCMILLAN!!!!!! THE RENT IS TO **** HIGH CANDIDATE FROM NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jon Stewart should send royalty checks to the RNC!
quote:Originally posted by rocky:
Rick Santorum isn't OFFICIAL yet, he is still waiting in the wings with Michele Bachmann and a bunch of other crazy.
There are only 2 confirmed candidates for the republicans in 2012:
Fred Karger: who is gay and evidently mad about feminism (?)
AND
JIMMY MCMILLAN!!!!!! THE RENT IS TO **** HIGH CANDIDATE FROM NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jon Stewart should send royalty checks to the RNC!
Considering that you're a liberal why do bring up the fact that Karger is gay? Are you homophobic?
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s...=2011-03-29-10-44-40
Why would you say he's geranged? Hopefully it's not because he chose not to abort a special needs child and gives her priority over his career.
quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:quote:Originally posted by O No!:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s...=2011-03-29-10-44-40
Why would you say he's geranged? Hopefully it's not because he chose not to abort a special needs child and gives her priority over his career.
Because he thinks the problems Social Security is having is due to abortion, instead of realizing the problem is due to the government SPENDING the money that was SUPPOSED to be untouchable.
quote:problem is due to the government SPENDING the money that was SUPPOSED to be untouchable.
Very nicely put, dimwits and republicons both are guilty of this.
actually there is no problem withe ss, is is solvent for the next 30 or so years, and has a relitavely easy fix - raise the cap, and raise the retirement age. Problem is with Medicare, which an attempt was made to improve the problem with the healthcare legislation of last year, but the Republicans are fighting it all the way.
The fact that money was borrowed from ss is NOT social security's problem, it is a budget problem
Sooner or later we are going to have to come to grips with how much money we take in to our federal coffers. You can't continue to cut income and solve our problem, at some time we are going to have to increase the income by doing away with the Bush tax cuts, especially for the rich. If we don't, we'll continue to go down the toilet. Just non-partisan fact.
The fact that money was borrowed from ss is NOT social security's problem, it is a budget problem
Sooner or later we are going to have to come to grips with how much money we take in to our federal coffers. You can't continue to cut income and solve our problem, at some time we are going to have to increase the income by doing away with the Bush tax cuts, especially for the rich. If we don't, we'll continue to go down the toilet. Just non-partisan fact.
The democrats have already flushed the toilet and broken the waterline that refills the tank.
quote:actually there is no problem withe ss, is is solvent for the next 30 or so years,
Gotten your statement from SS for this year? It says it will go broke in 2037. Advises that you start a supplemental form of retirement income.
quote:Originally posted by seeweed:
actually there is no problem withe ss, is is solvent for the next 30 or so years, and has a relitavely easy fix - raise the cap, and raise the retirement age. Problem is with Medicare, which an attempt was made to improve the problem with the healthcare legislation of last year, but the Republicans are fighting it all the way.
The fact that money was borrowed from ss is NOT social security's problem, it is a budget problem
Sooner or later we are going to have to come to grips with how much money we take in to our federal coffers. You can't continue to cut income and solve our problem, at some time we are going to have to increase the income by doing away with the Bush tax cuts, especially for the rich. If we don't, we'll continue to go down the toilet. Just non-partisan fact.
Last year, social security spent $37 billion more than it took in. This year, the deficit will be about $45 billion. The annual surplus is nearly gone.
Cutting expenses is necessary, more than increasing taxes. Even the EU nations realize this as they practice austerity and cut taxes.
http://mercatus.org/publicatio...ty-cash-flow-deficit
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When inflation kicks back in, the securities in the SS Trust Fund will appreciate more than enough to keep the program in a positive cash position.
I'll go with Charles' view.
http://www.nationalreview.com/...-charles-krauthammer
more at site.
http://www.nationalreview.com/...-charles-krauthammer
quote:Charles Krauthammer
March 11, 2011 12:00 A.M.
Obama’s Social Security Hoax
The president will demagogue Social Security as his ticket to reelection.
Everyone knows that the U.S. budget is being devoured by entitlements. Everyone also knows that of the Big Three — Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security — Social Security is the most solvable.
Back-of-an-envelope solvable: Raise the retirement age, tweak the indexing formula (from wage inflation to price inflation), and means-test so that Warren Buffett’s check gets redirected to a senior in need.
The relative ease of the fix is what makes the Obama administration’s Social Security strategy so shocking. The new line from the White House is: no need to fix it because there is no problem. As Office of Management and Budget (OMB) director Jack Lew wrote in USA Today just a few weeks ago, the trust fund is solvent until 2037. Therefore, Social Security is now off the table in debt-reduction talks.
This claim is a breathtaking fraud.
The pretense is that a flush trust fund will pay retirees for the next 26 years. Lovely, except for one thing: The Social Security trust fund is a fiction.
If you don’t believe me, listen to the OMB’s own explanation (in the Clinton administration budget for fiscal year 2000 under then-director Jack Lew, the very same). The OMB explained that these trust-fund “balances” are nothing more than a “bookkeeping” device. “They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits.”
In other words, the Social Security trust fund contains — nothing.
more at site.
The SS Trust Fund contains securities. The same category of securities that all our national debt is comprised of. Same as your local bank which only keeps 10% of demand deposits on hand, the rest is in notes.
Ditto, when is it going to hit you that there is NO SS TRUST FUND??????????????????
It's IOU's on a ledger somewhere. Backed by this failing government.
Let me put it his way, I have no expectations of SS checks in my future, none.
It's IOU's on a ledger somewhere. Backed by this failing government.
Let me put it his way, I have no expectations of SS checks in my future, none.
Here is the reports on the 18 Trust Funds operated by the Treasury. There are in total about 230 federal government investment funds
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/...eports/tfmp/tfmp.htm
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/...eports/tfmp/tfmp.htm
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT DITTO!
I think Ditto just poured a bucket of water on the wicked right wing witch !!!!
AND ALL THE MUNCHKINS SAY:
I think Ditto just poured a bucket of water on the wicked right wing witch !!!!
AND ALL THE MUNCHKINS SAY:
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Here is the reports on the 18 Trust Funds operated by the Treasury. There are in total about 230 federal government investment funds
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/...eports/tfmp/tfmp.htm
ditto, did you look at any of the balances?
These are on paper. There is no 'locked box fund' that has SS taxes going into it. They are all from a general fund, backed by IOU's. You believe in the government tooth fairy, I'll believe in a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Too bad I'm not going to be around about 50 years from now when rocky finds out there's no SS for him.
It will be ancient history.
Us Baby Boomers are a large enough demographic to get our way and we have always been that way.
SS will be around for us, we paid for our SS, and we will damm sure get it ! Rich people may have to be taxed at a more fair rate, highways may crumble, hell may freeze over, monkeys may have to be fluffed, but WE WILL GET OUR SS.
Deal with it.
SS will be around for us, we paid for our SS, and we will damm sure get it ! Rich people may have to be taxed at a more fair rate, highways may crumble, hell may freeze over, monkeys may have to be fluffed, but WE WILL GET OUR SS.
Deal with it.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
When inflation kicks back in, the securities in the SS Trust Fund will appreciate more than enough to keep the program in a positive cash position.
That's your solution -- hyper inflation! That which devastates the poor, destroys the dreams of the young middle class and ruins the reality of the old. Anyone who believes in hyper inflation as a solution to anything deserves to have to work until their eighties to survive, survive on pet food from the Dollar Store, the really cheap stuff. And, dream of Spam as a gourmet treat.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Here is the reports on the 18 Trust Funds operated by the Treasury. There are in total about 230 federal government investment funds
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/...eports/tfmp/tfmp.htm
You do realize treasury instruments owed to outside creditors have preference to intra-government securities as to payment from the general fund.
quote:Originally posted by rocky:
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT DITTO!
I think Ditto just poured a bucket of water on the wicked right wing witch !!!!
AND ALL THE MUNCHKINS SAY:
Says our winged monkey!
quote:Originally posted by seeweed:
Us Baby Boomers are a large enough demographic to get our way and we have always been that way.
SS will be around for us, we paid for our SS, and we will damm sure get it ! Rich people may have to be taxed at a more fair rate, highways may crumble, hell may freeze over, monkeys may have to be fluffed, but WE WILL GET OUR SS.
Deal with it.
Unless enough young people decide the old folks would be better off being put to sleep.
I'm sure the Soylent Green factories can start up.
Seeweed, do you realize that what you 'paid' was gone a long time ago? Your SS is coming from workers today.
You may see all of yours, but I don't expect it.
Seeweed, do you realize that what you 'paid' was gone a long time ago? Your SS is coming from workers today.
You may see all of yours, but I don't expect it.
Hey interventer,
How is Howard doing?
How is Howard doing?
Glad you mentioned Howard. He still has another year in Ethiopia. In November, I spent a week in DC on business. Howard was back on Home Leave for three weeks and I caught up with him one night.
Howard attended an embassy function for African charities. We met at the Town and Country, my old watering hole. Howard was still wearing formal dress and accompanied by a lady who looked like a younger Iman. I envied him, a bit. I asked if he had brought back a souvenir. She was his date to the charity ball, but lives in DC. He got a promotion. I guess that makes him the Charge.
Howard attended an embassy function for African charities. We met at the Town and Country, my old watering hole. Howard was still wearing formal dress and accompanied by a lady who looked like a younger Iman. I envied him, a bit. I asked if he had brought back a souvenir. She was his date to the charity ball, but lives in DC. He got a promotion. I guess that makes him the Charge.
Fantastic. I do miss his posts. Glad things are going well.
I'm sure they made a dashing couple.
Cheers.
I'm sure they made a dashing couple.
Cheers.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Seeweed, do you realize that what you 'paid' was gone a long time ago? Your SS is coming from workers today.
I believe at this point I am still drawing on my contributions, but I get your point and it is correct.
SS is a contract between generations.
Perhaps SS may in the future be better off if Republicans quit fighting the Mexican "immigration" problem so strongly. Integrating more people into legally working and paying SS can only strengthen it. Since (according to the census) the White population is not growing as fast as the Hispanic, Black, or even Asian population , it is true that there are fewer and fewer White people in the future generations to continue the benefits of SS.
In the end I believe you will get all your SS as well . SS has a relatively simple solution and that is to lift or at least raise the cap on wages that pay ss.
When I first started working, with a little bit of OT, I usually quit paying my SS withholding around Oct. The last 15 or 20 years, I never reached that point, so what has really happened is that the dollar has devalued to the point that the current cap on SS is too low. O'neil and Reagan came to that conclusion back in the '80s and raised it. Needs to be done again.
quote:Perhaps SS may in the future be better off if Republicans quit fighting the Mexican "immigration" problem so strongly. Integrating more people into legally working and paying SS can only strengthen it.
I thought that GWB tried that and the libs yell amnesty? And Reagan?
quote:Originally posted by seeweed:quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Seeweed, do you realize that what you 'paid' was gone a long time ago? Your SS is coming from workers today.
I believe at this point I am still drawing on my contributions, but I get your point and it is correct.
SS is a contract between generations.
Perhaps SS may in the future be better off if Republicans quit fighting the Mexican "immigration" problem so strongly. Integrating more people into legally working and paying SS can only strengthen it. Since (according to the census) the White population is not growing as fast as the Hispanic, Black, or even Asian population , it is true that there are fewer and fewer White people in the future generations to continue the benefits of SS.
In the end I believe you will get all your SS as well . SS has a relatively simple solution and that is to lift or at least raise the cap on wages that pay ss.
When I first started working, with a little bit of OT, I usually quit paying my SS withholding around Oct. The last 15 or 20 years, I never reached that point, so what has really happened is that the dollar has devalued to the point that the current cap on SS is too low. O'neil and Reagan came to that conclusion back in the '80s and raised it. Needs to be done again.
That's funny. No wonder you believe all the SLOP (Standard Liberal Operating Procedure) that you post.
We don't have a spending problem. We have a revenue problem. We have CEOs and corporations who pay less in taxes than migratory fruit pickers.
quote:Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
We don't have a spending problem. We have a revenue problem. We have CEOs and corporations who pay less in taxes than migratory fruit pickers.
That's the same thing my wife says. She says she's not spending too much, I'm just not making enough.
quote:Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
We don't have a spending problem. We have a revenue problem. We have CEOs and corporations who pay less in taxes than migratory fruit pickers.
What about Immelt?
You libs crack me up. Obama's Job Czar.
You guys havn't a leg to stand on in any of your arguments.
Jimmi I think you need to lay off the Purple Alligator.
Keep Marching to a Republican Victory,
Skippy
quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:quote:Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
We don't have a spending problem. We have a revenue problem. We have CEOs and corporations who pay less in taxes than migratory fruit pickers.
That's the same thing my wife says. She says she's not spending too much, I'm just not making enough.
Of course you realize that's a euphemism for your sex life, don't you?
quote:Of course you realize that's a euphemism for your sex life, don't you?
Trying to remember what it's like?