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He should have received Death or Life without Parole, but to spare the family of Mr. Duncan a verdict of GUILTY of MURDER with a LIFE sentence was given to Buttram and the family didn't have to suffer through a trial. When he accepted this plea it did away with any appeals, etc. so he is in prison to stay.
Mr. Duncan's family and friends will make sure Buttram indeed does serve a LIFE sentence and doesn't ever get parole. He doesn't deserve to ever walk free. I might add the Murderer never showed any remorse for taking Mr. Duncan's life.
The family of Mr. Duncan will never be able to recover from this ever. And no Forgiveness will ever be offered.
SEveral years ago the talk was all about "truth in sentencing" and holding criminals accountable for their crimes. THere is no such thing in America anymore and the criminals know it. I think we should go with let the punishment fit the crime ... you kill, you get killed (with or without appeals is optional to me)...you steal you get your hand cut off...you rape, you get your pecker cut off and if you are a woman who rapes we'll figure out something...I'm so sick of criminals getting out and doing it over and over and over and when they get tired of trying to make ends meet they commit an offense to get sent back...it is ludicrus...
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Originally posted by bubbaluck:
He will be eligible for parole after 15 years. It will be cheaper to keep him in prison than it would be to prosecute and defend appeals in a death penalty case for the next 20 years.


With the right atty., he could get an earlier hearing date, and with the right contacts, he could be released. The Board will simply stipulate he stay away from this area. We should all hope he benefits from the drug program in prison.
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Originally posted by bubbaluck:
He will be eligible for parole after 15 years. It will be cheaper to keep him in prison than it would be to prosecute and defend appeals in a death penalty case for the next 20 years.


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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
We should all hope he benefits from the drug program in prison.


At least until if & when he gets out. From what I see on Court TV & hear on the news, drugs are available in prison as much if not more than on the streets.
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Originally posted by DixieChik:
SEveral years ago the talk was all about "truth in sentencing" and holding criminals accountable for their crimes. THere is no such thing in America anymore and the criminals know it. I think we should go with let the punishment fit the crime ... you kill, you get killed (with or without appeals is optional to me)...you steal you get your hand cut off...you rape, you get your pecker cut off and if you are a woman who rapes we'll figure out something...I'm so sick of criminals getting out and doing it over and over and over and when they get tired of trying to make ends meet they commit an offense to get sent back...it is ludicrus...


That sounds good on paper, until it is an innocent person getting their hand cut off for a simple crime they didn't commit, or a man getting his pecker cut off because some woman lies about a rape that never occurred.

You have got to have appeals. Do you realize the number of innocent people on death row? Have you seen the statistics of the number of people DNA evidence has cleared after having spent years in prison?

I think a bigger problem is with the police and prosecutors who latch onto a theory just in order to punish someone -- anyone, even if the evidence is weak. This happens quite often.
Just like with OJ, right, SittinPurdy?

As far as the statistics on the people DNA evidence has cleared after having spent years in prison, have YOU seen them? I kinda doubt it, or you'd realize it's not very many. And usually those cases are not the result of overzealous police; rather, someone lied or the defendant convicted himself with his mouth.
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Originally posted by DixieChik:
SEveral years ago the talk was all about "truth in sentencing" and holding criminals accountable for their crimes. THere is no such thing in America anymore and the criminals know it. I think we should go with let the punishment fit the crime ... you kill, you get killed (with or without appeals is optional to me)...you steal you get your hand cut off...you rape, you get your pecker cut off and if you are a woman who rapes we'll figure out something...I'm so sick of criminals getting out and doing it over and over and over and when they get tired of trying to make ends meet they commit an offense to get sent back...it is ludicrus...


[QUOTE]Originally posted by SittinPurdy:
That sounds good on paper, until it is an innocent person getting their hand cut off for a simple crime they didn't commit, or a man getting his pecker cut off because some woman lies about a rape that never occurred.

That's simple, do the DNA testing before you cut off their hands & pecker.

You have got to have appeals.

And appeals, & appeals, & appeals....need I go on?
Besides, we're speaking of the guilty ones, not those cleared by DNA.


I think a bigger problem is with the police and prosecutors who latch onto a theory just in order to punish someone -- anyone, even if the evidence is weak. This happens quite often.

Not if the DNA evidence is there.
What is the talk of DNA I believe it was just the fact that Buttram will not get out of prison. Buttram pled GUILTY to MURDER he said he DID it no-one decided it for him no trial he wanted the deal because I am sure he knew he would have gotten the Death Penalty.
When you take a deal you do not get appeals you do not get out early you do your time. The only way out is through parole and as stated friends and family will NEVER let that happen.
who cares about drug program? who cares if he does drugs?
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Originally posted by SittinPurdy:
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Originally posted by DixieChik:
SEveral years ago the talk was all about "truth in sentencing" and holding criminals accountable for their crimes. THere is no such thing in America anymore and the criminals know it. I think we should go with let the punishment fit the crime ... you kill, you get killed (with or without appeals is optional to me)...you steal you get your hand cut off...you rape, you get your pecker cut off and if you are a woman who rapes we'll figure out something...I'm so sick of criminals getting out and doing it over and over and over and when they get tired of trying to make ends meet they commit an offense to get sent back...it is ludicrus...


That sounds good on paper, until it is an innocent person getting their hand cut off for a simple crime they didn't commit, or a man getting his pecker cut off because some woman lies about a rape that never occurred.

You have got to have appeals. Do you realize the number of innocent people on death row? Have you seen the statistics of the number of people DNA evidence has cleared after having spent years in prison?

I think a bigger problem is with the police and prosecutors who latch onto a theory just in order to punish someone -- anyone, even if the evidence is weak. This happens quite often.



Yes, I have seen all the shows on tv and the statistics etc., but I think that there comes a point that you have to have a deterrant effect and prison/punishment as it is -- is no deterrant to anyone at this point. They look at it like -- oh, I'll get 25 and I'll do 5 no big deal.

If an innocent person gets their hand cut off and it deters the many many many criminals -- that is for the better good.

Go ahead and bash me -- I have seen it, but I'm also seeing the other side of this as well -- and in the end, the greater good would be served...look at history -- it's not like innocent people haven't been punished before for something that they didn't do -- you are not throwing anything new at my opinion to deter me from the opinion. When you are on the receiving end of that repeat offender that continues to flip through the system -- you get tired of hearing those kind of arguements.

I know my opinion doesn't jive with the rest of the world and I'm fine with that...it is still my opinion...
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Originally posted by butterflier:
What is the talk of DNA I believe it was just the fact that Buttram will not get out of prison. Buttram pled GUILTY to MURDER he said he DID it no-one decided it for him no trial he wanted the deal because I am sure he knew he would have gotten the Death Penalty.
When you take a deal you do not get appeals you do not get out early you do your time. The only way out is through parole and as stated friends and family will NEVER let that happen.
who cares about drug program? who cares if he does drugs?


We should all care about the drug program. He will be out and if he is still on drugs, you or I could be his next victim. He will serve life with the possibility of parole. In Alabama, it's who you know. He may not know anyone, but his family may in the near future, and he may be on the streets much more quickly than you think. BTW, one biggie with the parole board is admitting the crime and he seems to have done just that with his plea.
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Just like with OJ, right, SittinPurdy?


I think most rational people know OJ is guilty, but factors outside of the evidence contributed to his acquittal. The defense attorneys did a fine job in getting the jury they wanted -- a jury that wouldn't let a black man be convicted by the evil white L.A. cops. It also didn't help the prosecution that the Rodney King incident happened in LA just a few years prior. There was a lot of racial tension in that city then. But this is really beside the point and not relevant to DNA.

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As far as the statistics on the people DNA evidence has cleared after having spent years in prison, have YOU seen them?


I have seen the statistics of "The Innocence Project" who releases the number of successful exonerations they have been involved with. Here is an excerpt from a website dealing with this issue:

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Last year’s best-seller Actual Innocence by Barry Scheck, Peter Neufeld and Jim Dwyer suggested the true rate of wrongful convictions may be closer to ten percent than to one-half of one percent. DNA tests used before trial have exonerated at least 5000 prime suspects out of the first 18,000 DNA suspect samples at the FBI and other crime labs-suggesting a pre-trial error rate of more than 25 percent. Since 1977, some 553 people have been executed in the United States while another eighty death row inmates have been released after they were found innocent. For every seven executed, one innocent person is freed-an “error rate” of more than twelve (12) percent. In the State of Illinois, 12 people have been executed since 1977 while 13 have been released after proving their innocence-an error rate of 52 percent.


link: http://www.caught.net/innoc.htm

Not too promising for all of those "criminals" who some want to chop the hands and peckers off of, eh?

It's probably fair to say that the error rate with murder convictions is around 10%, if not higher. The error rate for other crimes is likely much higher than 10%.

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And usually those cases are not the result of overzealous police; rather, someone lied or the defendant convicted himself with his mouth.


I don't deny that. Eyewitness testimony, for example, is horribly unreliable, especially when the witness is attempting to identify someone they have never met before. There have been many studies on the eyewitness issue, and a Google search should bring up many sites dealing with it.

The same goes for polygraph exams. Many experts say that the error rate for false positives is as high as 25-30%, and that's before taking into account all of the techniques out there for beating the test. Too often the Police will "rule out" an initial suspect because he passed the polygraph. This could be a mistake just as often as it is when they focus in on someone who "failed" it but was really innocent.

The point is, the appeals process is necessary if for no other reason than that too many innocent people are convicted. The same argument could be used against the death penalty in general.
Sittin Purdy -- appeals are necessary, but there should be limitations to how many and the nature of the appeal. 55 appeals is excessive...3 or 4 I understand, but when you drag something out for 30 years ... you should have copped a plea for life in prison and you would have been better off...


As far as the ones that got something chopped off...in my opinion, that would be a small price for some of the sex offenders that are out there today, but according to our laws, they have served their time. I also know that they are the top ones to recidivate and wind up offending again...so yea, let's let them keep their peckers...NOT...if you'd cut it off...they would stop or they would find a different outlet...

I'll meet you in the middle here SittinPurdy -- 1st offense is probation or community service...2nd offense is jail time and community service...3rd time is the charm -- cut it off...that is proof that they will continue to commit this crime so they have proved they don't deserve to get to keep it...

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