Another stand-up guy....

Are preverts attracted to the Catholic (and other) clergy, or do the orders prevert good men?

And I say cut him some slack. This is a Catholic issue, let them deal with him the same way they deal with child molesters: Send him somewhere safe to contemplate his sins.

I dunno Billy Joe, But I'm glad I'm no longer a contributor to that particular flying circus.

If they were dumb enough to let him be the only one with computer access to the financial records, they needed stealing from.

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Apparently THIS Gray is also a believer in "Once saved-Always saved, too.

Maybe a long lost brother of Billy's?

ISN'T IT NICE THAT "NO ATHEISTS" HAVE "EVER" BEEN GUILTY OF STEALING OR OTHER CRIMES?

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Are preverts attracted to the Catholic (and other) clergy, or do the orders prevert good men?

And I say cut him some slack. This is a Catholic issue, let them deal with him the same way they deal with child molesters: Send him somewhere safe to contemplate his sins.

Actually BillyJoe,
Perverts are attracted to any position that deals with children. Any type of religious leader, policemen, firemen, counselor, teacher, Boy Scout leader....etc.

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Police said Gray told them he grew to hate being a priest and was upset with the archdiocese, believing he received the worst church assignments.

I would say there was more of a problem 'within him' than the priesthood.

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Are preverts attracted to the Catholic (and other) clergy, or do the orders prevert good men?

And I say cut him some slack. This is a Catholic issue, let them deal with him the same way they deal with child molesters: Send him somewhere safe to contemplate his sins.

Actually, it's my opinion that many Catholic priests are gay.

Here's why:

As a young Catholic man you know that priests are forbidden to marry, for whatever reason. If you are Catholic and realize you are gay - and most people know they are gay early on - what better way to hide your homosexuality and not have to follow the normal American blueprint of marriage and kids (so people won't ask questions) than to become a priest? (Because a fake marriage to a woman would make for a miserable existence.)

I do think many of them become priests to try and "get right" because they are taught that homosexuality is a so-called mortal sin, but then natural urges take over and they target who they're around: little boys.

*LET ME BE CLEAR: I'M NOT SAYING HOMOSEXUALS ARE CHILD MOLESTERS; I know this is not so. I just think the priests who happen to be born gay stop resisting their urges at some point and turn into sicko molesters - as opposed to leaving the Catholic church and living as gay men. If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations.

Okay, give it to me. I'm ready. I predict b50m will be first.

Nah, it's me

Gay men don't become child molester any more than straight men do.

i think you are right, tho, but for the wrong reasons. b50m covered the idea -

child molesters seek out positions where they will be able to.. indulge in thier sickness with less chance of discovery - or at least a delayed chance.

one of the best is, of course, some variety of clergy.

so these aren't men of god who become twisted and overcome with sick desires, these are sick whankers form the word Go, who hide in the priesthood.
i don't blame the catholic church for haveing been deeply inflitrated by pedophiles, but i do blame them for how they handled the situation.

they did a study.. test a bunch of men.. gay, straight, and bi, and then they ran the same test on a couple of known admitted pedophiles.

those showed them images and video of nekkied people, male and female and children.
the straight men always reacted (mri kind of brain wave checker thing) to nude adult females, gay men reacted to the adule males, and the pedophiles reacted to the adult females to a small degree and moreso to the nude young boys.

if you like, i can see if i can find that study again and link it...

I think you are partially right- I do think maybe some homsoexual males "hide" in the priesthood. But that has nothing to do with pedophilia, in my opinion.
Homosexuals are not criminal.
Anyway, as I've said before, there is wrong doing and sicko people everywhere. The Catholic Church certainly didn't handle it well


"If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations."

But allowing them to marry just wouldnt cut it. The priesthood demands celibacy and (some) poverty..how could one support a family under a vow of poverty? And the church cannot condone gay priests- that would be definitively against teachings of Christ. Couldn't happen. You would open up a whole new can of worms-- divorce, adultery, children issues, etc...that would jeopardize the institution of the priesthood. (AS IT IS INTENDED-not how it is right now...)
The whole essence of the priesthood is that the priest IS married- to the Church.
Once the foundation is changed, the whole church would crumble- in my opinion.....

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
ISN'T IT NICE THAT "NO ATHEISTS" HAVE "EVER" BEEN GUILTY OF STEALING OR OTHER CRIMES?

You defending this creep? That figures.

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"If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations."

Veep,

Is this statement supposed to support or reject your notion that homosexuality and child molestation, at least within the clergy, are not related?

He would survive this as an atheist.

make sense, rram.

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"If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations."

This was a statement made by buttercup, BCBG.
cheers. sorry i forgot to engage the "" feature.

thanks, veep.

So, my dear Buttercup, what say you?

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
thanks, veep.

So, my dear Buttercup, what say you?

Well, my dear Billy Joe,

My statement:

quote:

"If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations."

Your question:

quote:

Is this statement supposed to support or reject your notion that homosexuality and child molestation, at least within the clergy, are not related?

It supports and rejects it. Does that make sense? Maybe in the context of my whole post it does:

quote:

Actually, it's my opinion that many Catholic priests are gay.

Here's why:

As a young Catholic man you know that priests are forbidden to marry, for whatever reason. If you are Catholic and realize you are gay - and most people know they are gay early on - what better way to hide your homosexuality and not have to follow the normal American blueprint of marriage and kids (so people won't ask questions) than to become a priest? (Because a fake marriage to a woman would make for a miserable existence.)

I do think many of them become priests to try and "get right" because they are taught that homosexuality is a so-called mortal sin, but then natural urges take over and they target who they're around: little boys.

*LET ME BE CLEAR: I'M NOT SAYING HOMOSEXUALS ARE CHILD MOLESTERS; I know this is not so. I just think the priests who happen to be born gay stop resisting their urges at some point and turn into sicko molesters - as opposed to leaving the Catholic church and living as gay men. If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations.

I'm trying to answer this carefully, because I know if I don't someone's gonna jump on it and say, "See! See! I told you all homosexuals are child molesters."

Simply put, I think if you are a gay man who grew up in a church that considers homosexuality a mortal sin and you suppress your homosexuality throughout your adult life, then you become a minister of that religion, bad things can happen.

The urge to have sex with a male will not go away because whether or not the priests take a vow of celibacy, they are still human.

Are homosexuality and child molestation (within the clergy) related? I personally think these men are already messed up mentally by the time they become priests because of what they've been fed about homosexuality being wrong all their lives. So were they sicko child molesters before becoming a priest or did the priesthood turn them into sickos? I don't know. Maybe child molesters are drawn to the occupation because of the trust factor with children - and they just happen to be gay.

Aside from all that, I do believe there are many gay Catholic priests out there, simply because they don't want to get married anyway and may believe joining the priesthood will cause the gay urges to go away.

The bigger question for me is why won't the Catholic church open up the pool of applicants for priesthood to include married men? That would have to reduce the frequency of child molestation, would it not? Their rules make no sense.

And I'm sorry if I don't make sense. It's late. I'll re-read this in the morning to determine if it's Rramm-like and I need to clarify.

I think you could probably divide these priests who commit sexual crimes and indiscretions into two categories. Some of them are pedophiles and some of them are gay. I guess you could be a gay pedophile, but I don't think the two things go together necessarily.

What someone said about gay men being attracted to the priesthood because no one questions their singleness is probably true, or at least was true at one time before it was possible for gays to live openly without much flack from people. Maybe this is one reason they are having trouble finding new priests?

One thing is for sure....it is unnatural and unreasonable to expect men to refrain from sexual activity. And it is unbiblical to boot. It would be different if they did just simply abstain, but I think it is pretty obvious that they aren't, and that they are doing things in the process that are immoral and criminal.

Let married men be priests. Celibacy is tradition and the Pope can always change it. And isn't the Pope guilty of helping cover some of this up when he was a Cardinal?

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Originally posted by HomesickGirl:
I think you could probably divide these priests who commit sexual crimes and indiscretions into two categories.

i would very much like to divide them in two.
right down the middle.

i'll even buy my own saw.

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Originally posted by Buttercup:

quote:

Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
thanks, veep.

So, my dear Buttercup, what say you?

Well, my dear Billy Joe,

My statement:

quote:

"If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations."

Your question:

quote:

Is this statement supposed to support or reject your notion that homosexuality and child molestation, at least within the clergy, are not related?

It supports and rejects it. Does that make sense? Maybe in the context of my whole post it does:

quote:

Actually, it's my opinion that many Catholic priests are gay.

Here's why:

As a young Catholic man you know that priests are forbidden to marry, for whatever reason. If you are Catholic and realize you are gay - and most people know they are gay early on - what better way to hide your homosexuality and not have to follow the normal American blueprint of marriage and kids (so people won't ask questions) than to become a priest? (Because a fake marriage to a woman would make for a miserable existence.)

I do think many of them become priests to try and "get right" because they are taught that homosexuality is a so-called mortal sin, but then natural urges take over and they target who they're around: little boys.

*LET ME BE CLEAR: I'M NOT SAYING HOMOSEXUALS ARE CHILD MOLESTERS; I know this is not so. I just think the priests who happen to be born gay stop resisting their urges at some point and turn into sicko molesters - as opposed to leaving the Catholic church and living as gay men. If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations.

I'm trying to answer this carefully, because I know if I don't someone's gonna jump on it and say, "See! See! I told you all homosexuals are child molesters."

Simply put, I think if you are a gay man who grew up in a church that considers homosexuality a mortal sin and you suppress your homosexuality throughout your adult life, then you become a minister of that religion, bad things can happen.

The urge to have sex with a male will not go away because whether or not the priests take a vow of celibacy, they are still human.

Are homosexuality and child molestation (within the clergy) related? I personally think these men are already messed up mentally by the time they become priests because of what they've been fed about homosexuality being wrong all their lives. So were they sicko child molesters before becoming a priest or did the priesthood turn them into sickos? I don't know. Maybe child molesters are drawn to the occupation because of the trust factor with children - and they just happen to be gay.

Aside from all that, I do believe there are many gay Catholic priests out there, simply because they don't want to get married anyway and may believe joining the priesthood will cause the gay urges to go away.

The bigger question for me is why won't the Catholic church open up the pool of applicants for priesthood to include married men? That would have to reduce the frequency of child molestation, would it not? Their rules make no sense.

And I'm sorry if I don't make sense. It's late. I'll re-read this in the morning to determine if it's Rramm-like and I need to clarify.

My dear Cup,

Since you seem to be struggling here let me interject an observation of mine.

Anyone in these modern times that claim to be “preachers” “atheists” paid, called, installed or struck by the notion that they must be one have one thing in common: they all have “loose screws” or some character flaw that requires a state of mind that justifies abnormal behavior. This includes such notables on here :Bro. Bill G., Atheist Bill G., and Bro Gdriggs. To name a few.

To further complicate matters , they all seem to have an affected following such as yourself.

I suggest you take inventory of your senses and spend more time at something more noble that doesn’t result in your fretting constantly.

Most times these matters are best handled by visionaries such as myself.

On call.

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Originally posted by rramlimnn:

quote:

Originally posted by Buttercup:

quote:

Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
thanks, veep.

So, my dear Buttercup, what say you?

Well, my dear Billy Joe,

My statement:

quote:

"If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations."

Your question:

quote:

Is this statement supposed to support or reject your notion that homosexuality and child molestation, at least within the clergy, are not related?

It supports and rejects it. Does that make sense? Maybe in the context of my whole post it does:

quote:

Actually, it's my opinion that many Catholic priests are gay.

Here's why:

As a young Catholic man you know that priests are forbidden to marry, for whatever reason. If you are Catholic and realize you are gay - and most people know they are gay early on - what better way to hide your homosexuality and not have to follow the normal American blueprint of marriage and kids (so people won't ask questions) than to become a priest? (Because a fake marriage to a woman would make for a miserable existence.)

I do think many of them become priests to try and "get right" because they are taught that homosexuality is a so-called mortal sin, but then natural urges take over and they target who they're around: little boys.

*LET ME BE CLEAR: I'M NOT SAYING HOMOSEXUALS ARE CHILD MOLESTERS; I know this is not so. I just think the priests who happen to be born gay stop resisting their urges at some point and turn into sicko molesters - as opposed to leaving the Catholic church and living as gay men. If the Catholic church would allow priests to get married or allow priests to be gay, we'd see a reduction in the amount of child molestation allegations.

I'm trying to answer this carefully, because I know if I don't someone's gonna jump on it and say, "See! See! I told you all homosexuals are child molesters."

Simply put, I think if you are a gay man who grew up in a church that considers homosexuality a mortal sin and you suppress your homosexuality throughout your adult life, then you become a minister of that religion, bad things can happen.

The urge to have sex with a male will not go away because whether or not the priests take a vow of celibacy, they are still human.

Are homosexuality and child molestation (within the clergy) related? I personally think these men are already messed up mentally by the time they become priests because of what they've been fed about homosexuality being wrong all their lives. So were they sicko child molesters before becoming a priest or did the priesthood turn them into sickos? I don't know. Maybe child molesters are drawn to the occupation because of the trust factor with children - and they just happen to be gay.

Aside from all that, I do believe there are many gay Catholic priests out there, simply because they don't want to get married anyway and may believe joining the priesthood will cause the gay urges to go away.

The bigger question for me is why won't the Catholic church open up the pool of applicants for priesthood to include married men? That would have to reduce the frequency of child molestation, would it not? Their rules make no sense.

And I'm sorry if I don't make sense. It's late. I'll re-read this in the morning to determine if it's Rramm-like and I need to clarify.

My dear Cup,

Since you seem to be struggling here let me interject an observation of mine.

Anyone in these modern times that claim to be “preachers” “atheists” paid, called, installed or struck by the notion that they must be one have one thing in common: they all have “loose screws” or some character flaw that requires a state of mind that justifies abnormal behavior. This includes such notables on here :Bro. Bill G., Atheist Bill G., and Bro Gdriggs. To name a few.

To further complicate matters , they all seem to have an affected following such as yourself.

I suggest you take inventory of your senses and spend more time at something more noble that doesn’t result in your fretting constantly.

Most times these matters are best handled by visionaries such as myself.

On call.

Rram,

You are right. I don't know how I didn't see it before. I'm going to stop following the atheists on the forum and start following you. How do I sign up for your newsletter?

Sorry to disappoint you butter, I'm late getting to this one. (Tooth pain and all.)

http://www.mental-health-matte...&view=article&id=519

Pedophiles don't have signs on their backs or neon arrows pointing over their heads.

It's easier to believe that the "dirty old man in the park", rather than the clean-cut bus driver down the street, is a pedophile.

Pedophiles aren't confined to our Catholic churches. They are in Protestant churches, synagogues, and mosques. Some of them are teachers, counselors, scout leaders, truck drivers, factory workers, and youth ministers. In fact, they are wherever children can be found, irrespective of age, race, education, occupation, class, social standing, or income.

Celibacy isn't the reason priests prey on children. Sexual attraction to children, and sexual gratification from children, are the reasons.

Though there is no hard and fast profile of a pedophile, here are some general characteristics:

* Popular with both children and adults.
* Appears to be trustworthy and respectable. Has good standing in the community.
* Prefers the company of children. Feels more comfortable with children than adults. Is mainly attracted to prepubescent boys and girls. Can be heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.
* "Grooms" children with quality time, video games, parties, candy, toys, gifts, money.
* Singles out children who seem troubled and in need of attention or affection.
* Often dates or marries women with children that are the age of his preferred victims.
* Rarely forces or coerces a child into sexual contact. Usually through trust and friendship. Physical contact is gradual, from touching, to picking up, to holding on lap, to kissing, etc.
* Derives gratification in a number of ways. For some, looking is enough. For others, taking pictures or watching children undress is enough. Still others require more contact.
* Finds different ways and places to be alone with children.
* Are primarily (but not always) male, masculine, better-educated, more religious than average, in their thirties, and choose jobs allowing them greater access to children.
* Are usually family men, have no criminal record, and deny that they abuse children, even after caught, convicted, incarcerated, and court-ordered into a sex offender program. The marriage is often troubled by sexual dysfunction, and serves as a smokescreen for the pedophile's true preferences and practices.
* Are often, but not always, themselves victims of some form of childhood sexual abuse.
* Even if the pedophile has no children, his home is usually child-friendly, with toys, books, video games, computers, bikes, swing sets, skateboards, rec room, pool, snacks - things to attract children to his home and keep them coming back. Usually the items reflect the preferred age of his victims.
* A female pedophile usually abuses a child when partnered with an adult male pedophile, and is often herself a victim of chronic sexual abuse.
* A pedophile can act independently, or be involved in an organized ring, including the Internet, NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association), and other pro-pedophilia groups. Some pedophiles recognize that their behavior is criminal, immoral, and unacceptable by society, and operate in secrecy. Some are quite open and militant about their practices and advocate the normalization of pedophilia under the guise of freedom of speech and press, and uses innocuous language like "intergenerational intimacy."

Pedo means "child" in Greek. Phile is a derivative of Greek, Latin, and French, meaning "love."

The Exclusive type of pedophile is attracted to children only. The Non-Exclusive is attracted to both children and adults.

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Rram,

You are right. I don't know how I didn't see it before. I'm going to stop following the atheists on the forum and start following you. How do I sign up for your newsletter?

Cup,

I’m pleased you choose to see the light.

Just stick with me and seek only the truth with reckoning and not emotion.

Begin by finding the number in a finite set of possibilities regarding a particular subject by revisiting none of them until you have exhausted the highest number .

A newsletter. There is none.

I have a friend who archives current news and politics for me and alerts me as to my need to know news and if I should ask; my position regarding politics.