Anti-war Left....

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
There is something else, and you should look into it on your own. It's the history of war. Rumsfeld said we could take Iraq down with 35 thousand troops, and our advanced technology. He was right, we could, but you have to put something in its place when you have finished. Brentenman is in the Artillery. An important cog in the war machine, but He will be the first to admit that artillery does not win wars. It helps to win battles. It is worthless without Infantry, Engineers and Support.
An Army Travels on its stomach.

Al Qaeda lacks Infantry, Artillery, Engineers, Logistics and weaponry. If they are to get all of that, in any timely manner, they need alliances.
To get alliances, they provoke an attack on an innocent country, in Russia they seek attack on Chechneya, In Europe and the US they draw an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Muslim World in General. The result. a unified alliance against their enemy, the people who attacked Islam and Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bush was looking for a Cause Belli to get you, and the rest of American to support an attack and invasion on Iraq. It was his objective in seeking the Presidency. Al Qaeda gave him that cause, 9/11 He took the bait. You Took the Bait, Congress took the Bait, the United Nations took the Bait. We are now hooked. Two choices, escape the hook, or get caught in the net. It took nearly 200 years for the USA to grow from 13 states to 50. It has taken over 2000 years to reach the state of unity we see today in Europe. I has taken 6000 if you count the very ancient empires of the Phonecians Greeks and Romans as attempts to unify all of Europe. China seems to have been unified for 6000 years or so.
The Unification always comes with peace between differing cultures. It often, but not always comes with conquest of the weaker nations. But, conquest by force is not necessary. The European Union is proof of that. Two Thousand Years of war failed to bring about unification. But, within our lifetimes, Europe has gone from internal warfare to unification without any major shooting war. The EU may be the best example of how nations can come together for their common good. The UN is a global attempt to do the same, but one nation among equals is NOT your objective. You want to be the dominator. You do not want to share power with Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Afghanistan, Africa, Russia, South America, and so on.
Well, just like you won't have me pushing you around, and I won't have you pushing me around, Nations will NOT HAVE OTHER NATIONS PUSHING THEM AROUND, exploiting their resources, subjugating their people, or robbing them of opportunity for prosperity.

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
There is something else, and you should look into it on your own. It's the history of war. Rumsfeld said we could take Iraq down with 35 thousand troops, and our advanced technology. He was right, we could, but you have to put something in its place when you have finished. Brentenman is in the Artillery. An important cog in the war machine, but He will be the first to admit that artillery does not win wars. It helps to win battles. It is worthless without Infantry, Engineers and Support.
An Army Travels on its stomach.

Al Qaeda lacks Infantry, Artillery, Engineers, Logistics and weaponry. If they are to get all of that, in any timely manner, they need alliances.
To get alliances, they provoke an attack on an innocent country, in Russia they seek attack on Chechneya, In Europe and the US they draw an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Muslim World in General. The result. a unified alliance against their enemy, the people who attacked Islam and Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bush was looking for a Cause Belli to get you, and the rest of American to support an attack and invasion on Iraq. It was his objective in seeking the Presidency. Al Qaeda gave him that cause, 9/11 He took the bait. You Took the Bait, Congress took the Bait, the United Nations took the Bait. We are now hooked. Two choices, escape the hook, or get caught in the net. It took nearly 200 years for the USA to grow from 13 states to 50. It has taken over 2000 years to reach the state of unity we see today in Europe. I has taken 6000 if you count the very ancient empires of the Phonecians Greeks and Romans as attempts to unify all of Europe. China seems to have been unified for 6000 years or so.
The Unification always comes with peace between differing cultures. It often, but not always comes with conquest of the weaker nations. But, conquest by force is not necessary. The European Union is proof of that. Two Thousand Years of war failed to bring about unification. But, within our lifetimes, Europe has gone from internal warfare to unification without any major shooting war. The EU may be the best example of how nations can come together for their common good. The UN is a global attempt to do the same, but one nation among equals is NOT your objective. You want to be the dominator. You do not want to share power with Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Afghanistan, Africa, Russia, South America, and so on.
Well, just like you won't have me pushing you around, and I won't have you pushing me around, Nations will NOT HAVE OTHER NATIONS PUSHING THEM AROUND, exploiting their resources, subjugating their people, or robbing them of opportunity for prosperity.

Al Qaeda doesn't have to conquer the US to change our way of life. Look at the changes we have made since 9/11. Do you really believe GWB wanted to be president so he could attack Iraq? I know you believe in some conspiracies, but surely not that one?

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Originally posted by one who posts:

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
There is something else, and you should look into it on your own. It's the history of war. Rumsfeld said we could take Iraq down with 35 thousand troops, and our advanced technology. He was right, we could, but you have to put something in its place when you have finished. Brentenman is in the Artillery. An important cog in the war machine, but He will be the first to admit that artillery does not win wars. It helps to win battles. It is worthless without Infantry, Engineers and Support.
An Army Travels on its stomach.

Al Qaeda lacks Infantry, Artillery, Engineers, Logistics and weaponry. If they are to get all of that, in any timely manner, they need alliances.
To get alliances, they provoke an attack on an innocent country, in Russia they seek attack on Chechneya, In Europe and the US they draw an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Muslim World in General. The result. a unified alliance against their enemy, the people who attacked Islam and Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bush was looking for a Cause Belli to get you, and the rest of American to support an attack and invasion on Iraq. It was his objective in seeking the Presidency. Al Qaeda gave him that cause, 9/11 He took the bait. You Took the Bait, Congress took the Bait, the United Nations took the Bait. We are now hooked. Two choices, escape the hook, or get caught in the net. It took nearly 200 years for the USA to grow from 13 states to 50. It has taken over 2000 years to reach the state of unity we see today in Europe. I has taken 6000 if you count the very ancient empires of the Phonecians Greeks and Romans as attempts to unify all of Europe. China seems to have been unified for 6000 years or so.
The Unification always comes with peace between differing cultures. It often, but not always comes with conquest of the weaker nations. But, conquest by force is not necessary. The European Union is proof of that. Two Thousand Years of war failed to bring about unification. But, within our lifetimes, Europe has gone from internal warfare to unification without any major shooting war. The EU may be the best example of how nations can come together for their common good. The UN is a global attempt to do the same, but one nation among equals is NOT your objective. You want to be the dominator. You do not want to share power with Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Afghanistan, Africa, Russia, South America, and so on.
Well, just like you won't have me pushing you around, and I won't have you pushing me around, Nations will NOT HAVE OTHER NATIONS PUSHING THEM AROUND, exploiting their resources, subjugating their people, or robbing them of opportunity for prosperity.

Al Qaeda doesn't have to conquer the US to change our way of life. Look at the changes we have made since 9/11. Do you really believe GWB wanted to be president so he could attack Iraq? I know you believe in some conspiracies, but surely not that one?

Of course no one would say that is the reason he wanted to become president, but it's obvious that is a reason.

Come on, people! We've heard the whole "have you forgotten" slogan, so let's apply it to everything! Have you forgotten how surprised we all were to hear that we were all of a sudden going to attack Iraq?! Have you forgotten that Bin Laden is (or was) in Afghanistan?! Have you forgotten everything the Bushes and the Cheneys had to gain from this war?! Have you forgotten the ties to oil our president has?! Have you forgotten that Saddam attack the big pres's big daddy?!

I'm telling you, just the way so many of you have said about the Muslim's need to speak out against the radicals, these things are far too suspicious to not receive an out and out answer from Bush. If they're not connected, or even untrue, we need to know why and how.