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The saying "I support the troops but not the war.." is B.S. The above is PROOF of what some of these groups are doing....made me sick to watch it.
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quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
I'll respond the same way I did before when it was posted without sound.
That is despicable. This video should be used to charge all those involved.
That group of loonies in no way represents anyone I've met on TD forum or anyone I have met in my life.
Me too Brentenman, AND I STILL DETEST WHAT THE NEO CONSERVATIVES ARE USING OUR TROOPS FOR.quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24900_Vid...ldier_in_Effigy&only
The saying "I support the troops but not the war.." is B.S. The above is PROOF of what some of these groups are doing....made me sick to watch it.
quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24900_Vid...ldier_in_Effigy&only
The saying "I support the troops but not the war.." is B.S. The above is PROOF of what some of these groups are doing....made me sick to watch it.
themaxdramatic words and true. I am a veteran, I served specifically as a DUTY to the country. I grew up in a School that taught Accounting and Business Administration to Veterans of WW II and Korea. I spent hours with men who had served honorably, My Step Mother is a Veteran of the War in China. She was a clerical worker in the Flying Tigers. The First Fishing Trip I ever went on was with a Marine Veteran of the War in the Pacific. I resigned a competitive appointment to West Point in August 1961 the Day I learned I had won it.quote:Originally posted by themax:
EdEkit, I have said before the liberty we have now comes to us with a bloody handshake. Liberty is not free, it comes with a price.The handshake of a soldier is worth having to wipe your hand. The blood is most likely that of those fallen comarads. Who fought for My and yours freedom.
I do not take take that lightly.
I thank God every day for those who are willing to put their lives on the line for we that care and for the ones who care less.
quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:
Video is pretty hard to dispute, PBA....not to mention, Drudge Report had it linked, and he discussed it tonight at 2319.....
quote:Originally posted by Delldude:
I take it your still in the Military correct?
Then why in hell instead of you patting this Hero (Bush)of yours on the back in this form, why don't you step up, and be part of the GREAT War in Iraq?
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:
BrentenmanPeace be with you.
Several incidents involving US soldiers violating the rights of Iraqis have come to light over the past four years. There has been Abuse of Prisoners. Rape and murder of civilians. Retribution killings. Shooting of wounded combatants. The use of White Phosphorous in Civilian areas. And other incidents that do not rise to the level of criminal in the form of disrespect, including the public display of Prisoners of War for propaganda purposes.
You excuse those as acts in the heat of battle. I agree with all the approbation regarding the burning of a US soldier in effigy. Have not excused or defended it. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD REFUSE ORDERS TO GO TO IRAQ IN THE SAME WAY, AND FOR THE SAME REASON THAT EHREN WATADA DID, AND I THINK YOU EITHER SUPPORT THE AGGRESSION AGAINST IRAQ, OR ARE TO FRIGHTENED FOR YOUR OWN FUTURE TO TAKE A STAND.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:
BrentenmanPeace be with you.
Several incidents involving US soldiers violating the rights of Iraqis have come to light over the past four years. There has been Abuse of Prisoners. Rape and murder of civilians. Retribution killings. Shooting of wounded combatants. The use of White Phosphorous in Civilian areas. And other incidents that do not rise to the level of criminal in the form of disrespect, including the public display of Prisoners of War for propaganda purposes.
You excuse those as acts in the heat of battle. I agree with all the approbation regarding the burning of a US soldier in effigy. Have not excused or defended it. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD REFUSE ORDERS TO GO TO IRAQ IN THE SAME WAY, AND FOR THE SAME REASON THAT EHREN WATADA DID, AND I THINK YOU EITHER SUPPORT THE AGGRESSION AGAINST IRAQ, OR ARE TO FRIGHTENED FOR YOUR OWN FUTURE TO TAKE A STAND.
I don't think of you otherwise. I have a great deal of respect for you, and believe it or not, sympathy. I have been in your boots, and made the same decisions you have.quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:
BrentenmanPeace be with you.
Several incidents involving US soldiers violating the rights of Iraqis have come to light over the past four years. There has been Abuse of Prisoners. Rape and murder of civilians. Retribution killings. Shooting of wounded combatants. The use of White Phosphorous in Civilian areas. And other incidents that do not rise to the level of criminal in the form of disrespect, including the public display of Prisoners of War for propaganda purposes.
You excuse those as acts in the heat of battle. I agree with all the approbation regarding the burning of a US soldier in effigy. Have not excused or defended it. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD REFUSE ORDERS TO GO TO IRAQ IN THE SAME WAY, AND FOR THE SAME REASON THAT EHREN WATADA DID, AND I THINK YOU EITHER SUPPORT THE AGGRESSION AGAINST IRAQ, OR ARE TO FRIGHTENED FOR YOUR OWN FUTURE TO TAKE A STAND.
EdEKit:
I am a better man than those traitors you hold in high regard, and I am a better man than those who commit wrongful deeds, albeit few.
If you think of me otherwise, then you have surely misjudged me.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:I don't think of you otherwise. I have a great deal of respect for you, and believe it or not, sympathy. I have been in your boots, and made the same decisions you have.quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:
BrentenmanPeace be with you.
Several incidents involving US soldiers violating the rights of Iraqis have come to light over the past four years. There has been Abuse of Prisoners. Rape and murder of civilians. Retribution killings. Shooting of wounded combatants. The use of White Phosphorous in Civilian areas. And other incidents that do not rise to the level of criminal in the form of disrespect, including the public display of Prisoners of War for propaganda purposes.
You excuse those as acts in the heat of battle. I agree with all the approbation regarding the burning of a US soldier in effigy. Have not excused or defended it. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD REFUSE ORDERS TO GO TO IRAQ IN THE SAME WAY, AND FOR THE SAME REASON THAT EHREN WATADA DID, AND I THINK YOU EITHER SUPPORT THE AGGRESSION AGAINST IRAQ, OR ARE TO FRIGHTENED FOR YOUR OWN FUTURE TO TAKE A STAND.
EdEKit:
I am a better man than those traitors you hold in high regard, and I am a better man than those who commit wrongful deeds, albeit few.
If you think of me otherwise, then you have surely misjudged me.
I believe in the civic duty to defend the USA. I happen to love the Principals this nation stands for. I think, and strongly support, the Constitution of this nation. And despite the impression contrary, I am fully committed to progress toward a just and equitable society, maintained by people united by a common cause for peace and tranquility.
I will not settle for prosperity for some and poverty for the masses. I will not settle for a society that turns its back on the Poor and Oppressed, but I cannot support making war to find peace.
Lives, wasted for the cause of domination are lives worse than wasted. They are lives taken in the pursuit of self enrichment.
You have clearly devoted your life to my security, I devoted some of my life to yours. My youngest child is a woman of 35. I am only guessing, but she would be about your age. She was born into a world filled with the fear of global War. A world marked by a conflict between two great nations in opposition. I was born into a world at war with nations that wanted conquest and expansion. That world was one of deprivation and constant vigilance. It was a world at war on two continental battlefields. Your world has been filled with small wars, contained on small battlefields. It is that way because the Continental Nations, the USA, Russia, and China have looked at each other through gun sights from behind walls of threat.
Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter and finally Reagan worked tirelessly to reduce that threat. We fought two major wars to prove our steadfast will to end that conflict. Korea and Vietnam. WE WON. The Cold war ended. Glasnost, the Chinese Economic Miracle, the European Union, The General Agreement on trade, all resulted from that threat ending.
TODAY: and I mean now, under the direction of George W Bush, and the Neo Conservatives, We have become an aggressor nation. We, you and I, have embarked on a course of World Domination. This is not the American Way. It is the way of Ghengis Khan, The Vandals, The Vikings the Romans, Napoleon, Wilhelm, Mao, Hitler, Stalin and Hirohito.
I find, in you and others, a gaping lack of understanding of the meaning of domination by military force.
The Bush Doctrine, and it is a genuine doctrine, of Domination has re-kindled the Cold War. America, in the grasp of the Neo Cons has become an Aggressor Nation. The Only response is for other nations to prepare for war. The world is preparing to defend itself against YOU, and the rest of the Military Might of the United States.
That Disgusts and Shames Me. I can see in daily life in my own small world the result of domination. I have two screaming examples. The Ukrainian immigrant who drives a gasoline tank truck who is a college educated electrical engineer, a professional soccer player, and a fine human being. Disqualified from working even as an electrician because he was Schooled in the Soviet Union. He played Soccer on the Red Army Soccer Team, and has been turned away from coaching even junior league soccer teams.
And Ramon, the Mexican immigrant, bi lingual, trained Elementary School Teacher, Denied work as a teacher because he had to be granted amnesty for illegal entry to obtain his citizenship in this nation.
I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE. Not because you wish to conquer the world, but because your job has become to conquer the world. Even if you don't believe that, it is the Bush Doctrine.
If you would like to waste an hour or two, try tracking down the often quoted, never seen Al Qaida, or Al Qaeda or Al Neda website. You will find a lot of, well, websites, but they won't be the Al Qaeda website. One I found opened with Owned by the USA. It actually had some Arabic content. and an implied warning that the government got em again.quote:Originally posted by interventor:
TELL ME AGAIN, HOW IS AL QAEDA GOING TO CONQUER THE WORLD?
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Ed,
Al Qaeda, by itself, its but a part of the problem. Add the network terrorists recruiting and training sites, the caliphate station broadcasting in Europe and the middle east, the well funded whahabi/salifist recruitment and takeover of moderate mosques and, hence, communities, and then you have a problem.
No one thought a few Frei Korpsmen like the NSDAP in Bavaria would be much of a problem. The world learned different, to its horror. It not the pieces of the puzzle that is the problem, its the all the pieces together. Not a true conspiracy, but like minded groups coming together.
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is a group of ANARCHISTS - they are neither left or right. This is not Cindy Sheehan - please. Look it up. Give me a break.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:If you would like to waste an hour or two, try tracking down the often quoted, never seen Al Qaida, or Al Qaeda or Al Neda website. You will find a lot of, well, websites, but they won't be the Al Qaeda website. One I found opened with Owned by the USA. It actually had some Arabic content. and an implied warning that the government got em again.quote:Originally posted by interventor:
TELL ME AGAIN, HOW IS AL QAEDA GOING TO CONQUER THE WORLD?
_____________________________________________
Ed,
Al Qaeda, by itself, its but a part of the problem. Add the network terrorists recruiting and training sites, the caliphate station broadcasting in Europe and the middle east, the well funded whahabi/salifist recruitment and takeover of moderate mosques and, hence, communities, and then you have a problem.
No one thought a few Frei Korpsmen like the NSDAP in Bavaria would be much of a problem. The world learned different, to its horror. It not the pieces of the puzzle that is the problem, its the all the pieces together. Not a true conspiracy, but like minded groups coming together.
For substantial information, go here, and watch online. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/yeariniraq/view/
Why is it that you insist on saying that the war in Iraq is protecting our liberty? Iraq, with its 26 million people COULD NEVER THREATEN THE USA. Figure it out. we outnumber them 12 to one.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
Southern Patriot:
It doesn't take 26M Ed. Remember, it only took 19 to kill over 3000 on 9/11. We can fight'em there or we can fight'em here Ed, your choice.
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Iraq did not attack us and there were no al Qaeda in Iraq. Now it is a recruiting and training ground for them. The Iraq occupation is the best thing that happened for al Qaeda. The more we people we kill the more anger and hatred grows toward the US. They have grown considerably and have sent out fighters across the world. Iraq is a the biggest blunder we could have made. Bush did exactly what bin Laden hoped he would. And he continues too. The whole world see the US killing civilains and committing atrocties and it's all about the oil.
It has made us less safe then ever before. Al Qaeda are a small group of extremists that most Muslim people don't want anything to do with. They even had skirmishes with the Iraqi resistance in the beginning but are now making alliance. They are also recruiting world wide.
As far as 9/11 goes if we had a decent administration they would have paid attention to all the warnings they were getting about an attack about to occur on US soil it could have been prevented. But they were too busy trying to think up ways to invade Iraq so they could steal the oil.
Richard Clarke tried to brief them but they down graded al Qaeda as a threat. Ex CIA director Tenet tried to warn them but he was given the brush off. A number of countries intelligence services, like Israel, Germany, Egypt and others all said their agents and contacts in the camps were reporting a major strike about to occur in the US. Bush and bunch ignored it all. They are not only liars and thieves they are completely incompetent.
quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
Southern Patriot:
It doesn't take 26M Ed. Remember, it only took 19 to kill over 3000 on 9/11. We can fight'em there or we can fight'em here Ed, your choice.
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Iraq did not attack us and there were no al Qaeda in Iraq. Now it is a recruiting and training ground for them. The Iraq occupation is the best thing that happened for al Qaeda. The more we people we kill the more anger and hatred grows toward the US. They have grown considerably and have sent out fighters across the world. Iraq is a the biggest blunder we could have made. Bush did exactly what bin Laden hoped he would. And he continues too. The whole world see the US killing civilains and committing atrocties and it's all about the oil.
It has made us less safe then ever before. Al Qaeda are a small group of extremists that most Muslim people don't want anything to do with. They even had skirmishes with the Iraqi resistance in the beginning but are now making alliance. They are also recruiting world wide.
As far as 9/11 goes if we had a decent administration they would have paid attention to all the warnings they were getting about an attack about to occur on US soil it could have been prevented. But they were too busy trying to think up ways to invade Iraq so they could steal the oil.
Richard Clarke tried to brief them but they down graded al Qaeda as a threat. Ex CIA director Tenet tried to warn them but he was given the brush off. A number of countries intelligence services, like Israel, Germany, Egypt and others all said their agents and contacts in the camps were reporting a major strike about to occur in the US. Bush and bunch ignored it all. They are not only liars and thieves they are completely incompetent.
Yeah, you're right. If we had a decent administration when Clinton was in office, we could have headed things off a long time before 9/11 ever happen. As far as Al Qaeda growing... I don't know where you get your info bbut I'm pretty confident that we are killing them off and thining the heard on a regular bbasis in Iraq daily. There aren't more, they just come to Iraq to fight.
quote:Originally posted by pba:quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
Southern Patriot:
It doesn't take 26M Ed. Remember, it only took 19 to kill over 3000 on 9/11. We can fight'em there or we can fight'em here Ed, your choice.
________________________________________________________________________________________________
Iraq did not attack us and there were no al Qaeda in Iraq. Now it is a recruiting and training ground for them. The Iraq occupation is the best thing that happened for al Qaeda. The more we people we kill the more anger and hatred grows toward the US. They have grown considerably and have sent out fighters across the world. Iraq is a the biggest blunder we could have made. Bush did exactly what bin Laden hoped he would. And he continues too. The whole world see the US killing civilains and committing atrocties and it's all about the oil.
It has made us less safe then ever before. Al Qaeda are a small group of extremists that most Muslim people don't want anything to do with. They even had skirmishes with the Iraqi resistance in the beginning but are now making alliance. They are also recruiting world wide.
As far as 9/11 goes if we had a decent administration they would have paid attention to all the warnings they were getting about an attack about to occur on US soil it could have been prevented. But they were too busy trying to think up ways to invade Iraq so they could steal the oil.
Richard Clarke tried to brief them but they down graded al Qaeda as a threat. Ex CIA director Tenet tried to warn them but he was given the brush off. A number of countries intelligence services, like Israel, Germany, Egypt and others all said their agents and contacts in the camps were reporting a major strike about to occur in the US. Bush and bunch ignored it all. They are not only liars and thieves they are completely incompetent.
Yeah, you're right. If we had a decent administration when Clinton was in office, we could have headed things off a long time before 9/11 ever happen. As far as Al Qaeda growing... I don't know where you get your info bbut I'm pretty confident that we are killing them off and thining the heard on a regular bbasis in Iraq daily. There aren't more, they just come to Iraq to fight.
How does Clinton come into play here?
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
-Voltaire
Of course, that video shows some wicked attitudes, but the G.I.s about which they chant defend their right to do what they're doing. Seems weird, but anything besides that setup would be void of freedom.
Exactly the point SP...the 19 who hit the towers and the Pentagon are DEAD. They took only those lives and buildings. That strategy leaves the peace of the grave, and nothing else.quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:If you would like to waste an hour or two, try tracking down the often quoted, never seen Al Qaida, or Al Qaeda or Al Neda website. You will find a lot of, well, websites, but they won't be the Al Qaeda website. One I found opened with Owned by the USA. It actually had some Arabic content. and an implied warning that the government got em again.quote:Originally posted by interventor:
TELL ME AGAIN, HOW IS AL QAEDA GOING TO CONQUER THE WORLD?
_____________________________________________
Ed,
Al Qaeda, by itself, its but a part of the problem. Add the network terrorists recruiting and training sites, the caliphate station broadcasting in Europe and the middle east, the well funded whahabi/salifist recruitment and takeover of moderate mosques and, hence, communities, and then you have a problem.
No one thought a few Frei Korpsmen like the NSDAP in Bavaria would be much of a problem. The world learned different, to its horror. It not the pieces of the puzzle that is the problem, its the all the pieces together. Not a true conspiracy, but like minded groups coming together.
For substantial information, go here, and watch online. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/yeariniraq/view/
Why is it that you insist on saying that the war in Iraq is protecting our liberty? Iraq, with its 26 million people COULD NEVER THREATEN THE USA. Figure it out. we outnumber them 12 to one.
It doesn't take 26M Ed. Remember, it only took 19 to kill over 3000 on 9/11. We can fight'em there or we can fight'em here Ed, your choice.
quote:Originally posted by smurph:
that war has not one DIDDLY thing to do with our freedom!
We invaded another country looking for non existent WMDs.
and how dare ANYONE make a statement one cannot support the troops but not support the cause? THAT statement is BS,,are soldiers not at the mercy to follow orders given to them? I have a total of 9 family members presently serving in various branches of the military.I strongly support them and their fellow military personel .I still do not support the orders those in higher positions are ordering them to do, or where those in higher positions are ordering them to go! THAT is where you will find ALL the BS,in those high positions,playing for OIL!