During the 1960's and most of the 1970's I would tug on the donkey's tail meaning I would vote straight Democratic Party line. In 1979 after analyzing where the Country was in and the direction we were headed along with actually listening to the candidates and then Candidate Reagan I became a Reagan Democrat and voted for Reagan, the first republican that I had voted for up to that time. After Reagan's first term I converted to the Independent classification and considered myself an Independent Voter and did split my votes depending upon who the candidates were and their positions. Still 80% of my votes were for the Democrats. I did not vote for President Bush (either Father or son) but as a loyal citizen I supported them just as I support President Obama but support has it's limits. Those limits are governed by compliance with our Nations Constitution. Due though to the way this Healthcare bill has been passed along with the Socialistic trends that the Democrats have shown along with the way that the Democrats have approached the "Tea Party Members" of which I do not consider myself I am now and consider myself "Anything but Democrat". My plans are to "Tug on the Elephant's trunk" or vote totally Republican at the Local, State and National level.

I also encourage all voters that are like myself, consider yourself independent or former Democrats to make that change if not for any other reason do it for the sake of the Constitution. While both Republicans and Democrats have, in the past, made decisions that seemingly went contrary to the founding fathers will and the Constitution none have ever put our country in such dire danger of leaving the Constitution aside and moving toward Socialism.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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My plans are to "Tug on the Elephant's trunk" or vote totally Republican at the Local, State and National level.

I also encourage all voters that are like myself, consider yourself independent or former Democrats to make that change if not for any other reason do it for the sake of the Constitution.


If the Constitution is your priority, you won't be very well served by voting Republican. They don't seem to like the Constitution either.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Very true dolemite. There is not a big gap in the dems and repubs.


I am so dismayed with the turn of events. The lack of interest in the last election. The people got snookered by their lackadasical attitude and we got a dysfunctional government in office. God help us if we do this again. Get interested and do something besides Gripe.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Very true dolemite. There is not a big gap in the dems and repubs.


I am so dismayed with the turn of events. The lack of interest in the last election. The people got snookered by their lackadasical attitude and we got a dysfunctional government in office. God help us if we do this again. Get interested and do something besides Gripe.


Most of us fit into that category. That is the reason the TEA party was born.
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If you are a libertarian go ahead and mark I'm a Democrat and I love me some Obama because for all intents and purposes you will be reelecting him.


I'm a libertarian who would happily vote Republican, or Democrat for that matter, if they put up a candidate worth voting for. If the Republicans refuse to do that, and lose votes to a thrid party as the result, it's their own fault.
There are progressives in both parties. You have to research them well to decide who to vote for.

I am a conservative and wished for a real conservative in the last pres. election. McCain wasn't it for me but I knew that Obama scared the crap out of me. We didn't get snookered. He told us exactly who he was before he was elected but most people didn't listen.
My apologies for not including choices such as the Libertarian party but even including the new tea party or if it becomes a party chances are it will be like the Ross Perot venture. Unfortunately it usually comes down to two parties and two unfortunate choices and yet I'm aware that Republicans also have a problem sticking with the intent of the Constitution but when it comes to the lesser of two evils the current Democrats have easily made that choice, at least for me. No longer is it simply a choice of two evils it's one evil and one disaster for freedom otherwise known as a rush toward Socialism. That's why I left out the other parties ... I wish it were different but the sad thing is that if you vote libertarian or even "tea-party" then you will certainly be voting Democratic by abstention.
the only difference between one party and the other is which groupe of people they are lying to.

if you vote a party ticket, you're an idiot.

vote for, or against, the person, not the party.

think for once.. stop being a spoonfed mouthpiece for anyone.
if you belive in a person, fine.. more power to you.. flip the switch for them... but if you are voting for a party, or against a party, because of the party, then you are part of the problem.

be a part of the soloution instead. send a message to politicains that says ' we're tired of this BS.. try representing US for a change, and not the people who give you the most money"

this republic CAN work... we just have to take it back from the politicans that are destroying it.

thanks, have a nice day.
I have voted for Republicans, and in every case the reason was a promise of "better government." And in every case I was disappointed by the "better government" they offered. The tax system they proposed was always less fair to wage earners And more fair to wage payers. The concept of better government almost always meant marginalizing targeted groups of citizens. The idea of keeping me safe with better government always consisted of increasing penalties for crimes already on the books, like possession of Marijuana or other contraband, or making new status crimes.

I do not trust politicians -- but at least the Democrats will listen to my objections. The Republicans seem too willing to use a STOMP the opposition strategy.
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I have voted for Republicans, and in every case the reason was a promise of "better government." And in every case I was disappointed by the "better government" they offered. The tax system they proposed was always less fair to wage earners And more fair to wage payers. The concept of better government almost always meant marginalizing targeted groups of citizens. The idea of keeping me safe with better government always consisted of increasing penalties for crimes already on the books, like possession of Marijuana or other contraband, or making new status crimes.

I do not trust politicians -- but at least the Democrats will listen to my objections. The Republicans seem too willing to use a STOMP the opposition strategy.


You should post here more often, Karl Leuba. This place is in desperate need of smart people, and opinions.
Yeah, the dimocraps listened when they shoveled that piece of crap healthcare bill onto the backs of citizens that rejected it. Progressivs don't want what is fair they want redistribution of wealth. When was the last time you heard a progressive mention a flat tax or fair tax? Don't come on here and tell me you want to do what is right or fair unless you are for a flat tax.
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Yeah, the dimocraps listened when they shoveled that piece of crap healthcare bill onto the backs of citizens that rejected it. Progressivs don't want what is fair they want redistribution of wealth. When was the last time you heard a progressive mention a flat tax or fair tax? Don't come on here and tell me you want to do what is right or fair unless you are for a flat tax.


Where were you when Bush was running up the deficit (much more than Obama has) with war spending and bailouts?
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Bailouts were wrong, no matter which progressive initiated it. A liberal idea is a bad idea. War is necessary for peace.


War is necessary for peace? And what kind of peace have we achieved with these wars? There's peace in these countries now? How many more years until we get there, mad American?
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How much peace would have occurred without these wars? We were attacked.


I agree that we were attacked. I'm not some fringe 9/11 "truther". But we were attacked by groups, not countries. How about better intelligence?

And we can't protect ourselves from all attacks. Sadly, we will probably be attacked within our own borders again because those who hate us are constantly thinking of ways to do it...and they're more than willing to die a martyr.

I don't think we'll be attacked in the same way we were on 9/11 because the c*o*c*kpit doors are fortified so no one can get in and take control of the plane. Besides, I think if someone tries it, he'll get his butt kicked in fast order by about 200 angry passengers.

But that doesn't matter. They'll think of another way to attack. So how does being over there protect us here if they will find a way to attack here anyway?
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Originally posted by mad American:
Bailouts were wrong, no matter which progressive initiated it. A liberal idea is a bad idea. War is necessary for peace.


War is necessary for peace? And what kind of peace have we achieved with these wars? There's peace in these countries now? How many more years until we get there, mad American?


After ravaging Europe for hundreds of years, the Germans can barely muster up a fight. Same for Asia and the Japanese!
Worked well in both cases.

Millions of Russians and others are no longer re-located at whim or starve to death intentionally. Worked well there, as well!
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I agree that we were attacked. I'm not some fringe 9/11 "truther". But we were attacked by groups, not countries. How about better intelligence?

Ever heard the term "Reconnaissance-in-force"? The CIA had been effectively neutered by the Clinton era Dept. of Justice such that they might have been a central agency, but they had no intelligence. The military has always had a way around that problem; they just have to go where the Islamic radicals don't want them to go and get them scurrying around like ****roaches. Documents can be picked off the dead or alive bodies, computers and other electronic communication devices can be secured, and prisoners can be taken. Presently the military is constrained from pressing those prisoners for information and the CIA has become timid again, but Obama has extended the Rendition program from the Clinton-Bush era. It didn't produce any actionable intel in the Clinton administration, but I'm sure it provided some Egyptian sadists some pleasure and Egyptian vultures some food.
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Originally posted by mad American:
Yeah, the dimocraps listened when they shoveled that piece of crap healthcare bill onto the backs of citizens that rejected it. Progressivs don't want what is fair they want redistribution of wealth. When was the last time you heard a progressive mention a flat tax or fair tax? Don't come on here and tell me you want to do what is right or fair unless you are for a flat tax.


Where were you when Bush was running up the deficit (much more than Obama has) with war spending and bailouts?



Where were you the last year or so? Much more than Obama has? You gotta be kidding. Now add the additional expense of the unwanted healthcare expenses and and you get exponential expansion of the national debt.

It's amazing how little anyone knows about the Constitution that the President and our lawmakers are supposed to be defending and upholding. The federal Government was never meant to bail out anyone (Republican or Democrat they are all wrong). The powers, of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branch are well defined in the Constitution, Articles I, II, & III (that 1,2, & 3). It's really not that difficult to understand if you will read it. The Government never was meant to be as large as it is or even to bail out folks like in Haiti or even after Katrina and certainly not bail out private businesses or banks.

I doubt that our country will ever get back to being run under the Constitution for we started down that slippery slope when we ratified the 17th Amendment and started taking powers away from the States. (Oh for those that don't care to go read and look the 17th Amendment allowed for the popular election of Senators rather of their appointment by State Legislatures as it was under the Original Constitution. At this point in time our country became more a Democracy than a Republic and on it went.

Now we have students and citizens that are graduating school with so little knowledge about Civics and our Government and that swallow, hook, line, and sinker, everything that the political machines/parties (Democrat and Republican) tell them and everything that the media allows to pass as news.

The move by the Democrats (those in power right now) to force healthcare or even the healthcare bill itself is so unconstitutional it is to the point that those that voted for it should be imprisoned for crimes against the Country (or that Country if actually guided by the Constitution) because they are usurping powers never granted by the Constitution. Additionally our Country has allowed a much more powerful Judiciary than ever conceived by the founders. The Laws are to be made by the Legislative branch but we have a Judiciary that more and more attempts to make laws by the way they define them. The original founders wouldn't recognize that our current nation is the same as they left us at the time of their passing. There would have never been a department of Human Services or Education Department. Most of those functions were and were supposed to be handled by each State. More and more powers became centralized in the Central Government, less and less were the Checks and balances being used as they were intended and the Judiciary is being allowed to make law rather than it's function of interpretation and even the President (Obama) seems more interested in appointing a Judge for the Supreme court based on how that Judge might influence law rather than how accurate that Judge would interpret the Constitution. Many of our Founding Fathers (Jefferson, Adams etc) would, I fear, fear that we had been taken over by a foreign government if they could see the country as it is now.

I'm not saying that only one party is at fault but the most egregious acts against our Constitution and country are being performed by our current Democrats that are in control and they all need to be voted out.

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