Approve or Disapprove of Prescription Marijuana

Bestworking, I am not going to debate you. As far as Runny I don't know who she is or anybody else is on this forum. Right now I am enjoying my vacation and spending time with my daughter here in Hawiii and helping her plan her wedding. So I don't have time to debate you.

Nothing to debate. You said medical reasons only, I pointed out it won't be for medical reasons only. Every quack everywhere will be writing prescriptions for it, for all sorts of bogus reasons. There are  already plenty that are doing it where it's legal.The claim it cures cancer is a lie and irresponsible, evil, and potentially and likely dangerous to cancer patients if they give up true treatment. Nothing to debate there.

People don't use already legal pain relievers for medical use only.  I haven't heard or read of weed curing cancer, only dealing with the symptoms.  Which is what oxycodone does.  It would take away too much from big pharma if poor Joe could grow his own pain medicine on his own property.  That is the number one reason weed ain't legal!

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And somewhere, someone is poised to make big money if it is made legal, and that's why the LIES about it curing cancer, and that it will only be used for medical reasons, and if you oppose it you hate sick kids and kick puppies. It will be just like all the other drugs the 'pill pushers' deal out. Make it a condition that only the marijuana that won't make a person high is legalized for medical use and watch the interest in legalizing it die off along with the lies about it curing cancer.

What ever your reason for being opposed, I could care less.  But I don't have a problem with a person taking a toke every now and then. I have played music in different bars around the area, and I can promise you that a stoner ain't near as much trouble as a whiskey drunk.

 

NOT opposed to the real medical marijuana that doesn't get the actual sick person high, and helps them feel better. Opposed to the other because I don't want to pay for a dope heads dope any more than I want pay for the other drugs that the pill pushers 'prescribe' to them. Not near enough trouble as drunks? Well, I guess the stoners stealing everything that's not tied down to buy the s***, and everyone else having to do their job and cover their bu***  while they make sure they aren't stealing their stuff isn't really any trouble, or them fighting over the s*** in the parking lot of Shoneys, after we closed because one of the freaks smoked too much of the crap that she and the other freak bought together. Or listening to them talk/laugh about something they did because they were 'messed up, tore up from the floor up, on the crap' isn't that much trouble. Watching them drive off knowing they were smoking the mess isn't a bother either. And the best part, knowing they were breeding. They might not be as much 'trouble', which I would disagree with anyway, but they are as useless. And again, I am opposed to the evil bas***** that spread the lie that it cures cancer because they want to prey on, and make money off of, desperate, dying people.

 

I think I know this ole gal.

 

 

Well, at least she isn't neglecting her hygiene. You can tell by her hand and nails that she -oh wait. Never mind.

 

I have wondered how I missed the drugs and pot. I worked construction before drug testing, I watched pot while I was in the military. I took one hit on pot while in the army, I gagged and coughed, handed the joint back and told them,"if that's the best you got, I'll stick with beer" and always did. On the job, I let the ones who smoked pot or take pills do it and I would go and work some. I don't have that strong a work ethic, I don't have morals that high, for whatever reason, I didn't do pot and pills. I don't know what I have missed

 

The high for most sick people is what relieves the pain.  The next time you are sick, just leave the Nyquil or Sudafed in the medicine cabinet. Those get abused plenty, and they are legal.
Are there stoners that steal?  Yes, but there are also drunks that steal.  There are also people who steal just because they are too lazy to work.  I would rather see broke Joe be able to grow his own weed than him have steal from you or me to get it.  I am as right wing as anyone, and being that way makes me think that the government needs to get out of the dope business.  Let each state decide.

The high for most sick people is what relieves the pain.

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Never saw that in all the studies I read. I read about how the little girl got a miracle when her mom found two men growing and making medicine from marijuana, but said no one wanted it because it did not get them high. They supplied the little girl. That is repeated over and over in the articles, no one was interested because  it didn't get them high. If a person could have morphine and not get addicted, or "high" or whatever on it, why would they refuse? Tells me they aren't interested in the medicinal part of the weed, just the high. IMO, we have enough junk to keep people messed up. And when the states decide, who has the burden of dealing with/paying for the pot heads? I wonder what we spend now supplying them with their drugs. I am just a person that sees no reason for a person getting blitzed out of their head on drugs or alcohol, and thinking others should be subjected to their bad/dangerous behavior.

Cigarettes vs: Pot, I don't do either of them, but if I had to choose it would be pot, after all Willie Nelson just turn 82 years old a few days ago. Tobacco causes 440,000 deaths per year and costs $150 billion dollars annually in health care cost per year. But we won't get rid of tobacco products and we all know why. So here is a list of all the chemicals in tobacco products http://www.tricountycessation....tte-Ingredients.html

So, if they're blitzed out of their head on Nyquil its ok?  That is what you are saying.

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Show me how you got there by what I posted.

 

 

 I am just a person that sees no reason for a person getting blitzed out of their head on drugs or alcohol, and thinking others should be subjected to their bad/dangerous behavior.

Not everyone that smokes marijuana or drinks a little gets blitzed. I should have said "is that what you're saying?"

Marijuana should be legal. For whatever reason a person wants it. If a person is sick, and in pain, what is wrong with them getting relief from marijuana? So what if they get high? I just had a wisdom tooth removed and the drugs they gave me for pain was WAY stronger (as in a high) than any Marijuana I ever smoked. Yet, that is legal and acceptable to society. Why? Even if a person just wants to have a smoke or eat a pot brownie at the end of the day while they relax at home, how is that anyone elses business? 

 

Legalize it. The only way that marijuana can truly ruin a persons life is if they are arrested!

 

 

 

Treatment for alcoholism is covered by most insurances. However, I don't know anyone that needed treatment for Marijuana. There is no physical withdrawal if you stop using it. If you want to stop, just stop. 

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Again, how do you get there from what I posted? Maybe I should ask you if you are saying everyone should get blitzed because you don't seem to see a problem from any of it.

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back in the late 60s and early 70s I not only smoked pot , I was around a lot of people who were smoking  , especially on week ends. Not once did I ever witness anyone stoned cause any trouble - not even over the last piece of pizza. If you are stoned, you just want to listen to good music, eat some munchies and be left alone to enjoy their high. Sometimes a couple wants to have sex because stoned sex is awesome, but still, never , ever saw anyone cause any trouble.

 

LOL! Total BS. But then again, stoners don't usually see anything wrong with what other stoners do.

High people are usually happy people. Drunk people or people on hard drugs can be mean, unpredictable.

 

While I understand your reasoning about the legalization being a problem I don't understand you insisting that what you believe is the only right way. Too bad that all of your experiences with people who smoke pot were bad.

BW, how many stoned people have you been around?  I am guessing not many.  The people that I have been around that are only smoking weed are not violent.  Booze and pills are another story.

Not sure who you're addressing. If it's me, I don't remember posting anything about stoners and violence, except when the two stoners got into a fight over the weed they'd bought together. Still didn't say it was the weed, said it was over the weed. People have killed people for messing with or stealing their weed. Maybe you count their thefts as violence. I didn't like being their victim, and no, it wasn't OK that they stole from me and others so they could get high. Blank them. Why not, that's what they thought of people. Others didn't matter to them. It was all what they wanted and what they wanted to do. We were all pretty much kids, but I had to work for a living.  If that's the life they wanted they could have at it, but not on MY time or MY dime. I was not there to cover for them and make their useless lives easier. I was there to do a day's work and make MY life better in the future. They had the same opportunities I had, most of them had more, and no one forced them to smoke dope, that was their choice. I don't apologize at all for being disgusted and sickened by them. Stoners are among the most useless humans on earth. We could have called the cops, or run to the managers, but we didn't. That was all I was willing to give them.

Reading some of you I understand how kids get away with crap. Oh goodness, my kids/grandkids wouldn't do that. Oh my, weed is harmless. Oh my, my child/grandchild would never drink and drive. Oh my, my kid/grandkid would never smoke weed or take pills and drive. Oh my, my child/grandchild got mixed up with the 'wrong crowd'. Sheesh! How old are you people anyway? I can't be that much younger! Maybe in YOUR day they were more discreet about their dope use. Not anymore. Now it's in your face and anyplace.

 

 

Approve or Disapprove of Prescription Marijuana Only for medical reasons only to be sold by prescription, not anything else period.

 

Just thought I'd post this reminder.

 

Oh well.  It is what it is.

 

No matter how the thread starts out, it always evolves into a debate between recreational use of pot and the evils of alcohol.  And we begin our circle talk all over again and again and again and ....

 

I've been to more than a few bars myself in my younger days, or back in the day for some of you, and never did I ever see pot served like they served alcohol.  No "pot" bars.  So to say there are more drunks than stoners in a bar is like saying there are more catfish than bass in a catfish pond.  Not saying pot wasn't present  and the odor somehow camouflaged by cigarette smoke and cheap perfume.

 

When I went to bars I was sent there looking for trouble and looking to stop it whenever I found it.  So more than likely I've seen more trouble not only at bars but other  places as well involving not only alcohol but just about any substance that can be abused.  Pot included.  I swear some folks have such a low tolerance for such stuff that they shouldn't be allowed to drink caffeine.

 

But for anyone who admits to using pot frequently and has no knowledge of folks breaking bad on the stuff is simply, IMHO, exaggerating just a bit.  Reminds me of the chorus to a dated song that goes

 

I ain't nevah

 

No nevah

 

Ahseen nobody like you.

 

Whoop!  Whoop!

 

Here's a couple of stoners y'all may have missed recently

 

Michael Brown

 

Kevin Ward

 

Medical examiners say that pot influenced their behavior and was a factor in their demise.

 

My point is, I'm not here to play one over the other.  Just realize that your point is better made when all the facts are on the table.  Comparing it to something bad isn't the way.  Comparing it to something useful is.

 

So take the "high" road. 

 

When I started on the thread I answered the questions asked. Then 'runy' decided to turn it into my not wanting sick little seizure stricken kids to have their medicine. Then she ran. Then the one that made the thread dropped by to say she didn't have time to debate. LOL!!! Time to make a thread but no time to debate. Oh well anyway, as I posted to her, what was there to debate? Then it went down from there.

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I agree with seeweed and mad american.  I'm going to tell you the secret of why you didn't see pot in the bar. They get high in the parking lot in their cars or they drive around the block and burn one.  

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Maybe this is a different time and things are radically different, but I would argue that most people that get stoned, either do so at their own house, or with a few friends at their place, and not in a bar, or for the most part even out in some public place, with the exception of a good music concert .  From my experiences, it is a helluva lot more fun to get stoned at home with a few friends , than in some bar , but that experience is 40 + years old now for me. 

 

Obviously, most of you are living in the dark ages, from what I hear you can get pot from about every street corner, at least if it was legal it could be taxed, really.

One of the first posts I made was on how anyone could get it. It has to be an 'urban legend' that it's not accessible to anyone that wants it. My points about it, it does not cure cancer, that lie should be squashed quickly. Too many want it only to get high, and there are plenty of quacks that will, and already are, writing prescriptions for it for healthy people. With billions and billions of Medicaid and Medicare fraud already, the last thing I want to do is pay for the stoner's recreational drug use, so I would only 'agree' with the marijuana that doesn't get the patients high. It's available now, just not popular. I think a sick person shouldn't/wouldn't mind at all not getting high or addicted. Anytime those elements could be removed it would be a good thing. The freaks can go back to getting it where they got it before, and paying for it themselves.

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Not only are some people living in the dark ages, but some can't even figure. In the first 8 months that Colorado legalized pot crime rates failed by 10.1% saving their state between $12-40 million dollars, 10,000 new jobs were created, taxes from pot in 8 months were 143,000,000 million dollars. It's a proven fact that alcohol is worst than pot.