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First off you asked if my church was one that believed they are the only ones going to heaven. You should have said does the church you attend, I do not have a church, it belongs to the Lord. And where did you get the information that the coc believes they are the only ones going to heaven. Did you get that out of a book that you do not know if it's true or not or did someone tell you that and you do not know if they are telling the truth. I can tell you who will go to heaven or you can read it for yourself in the Bible. The person that will go to heaven is that person who does Gods will. I am not the judge nor are you. God will be the one to say who gets to go. Best said she always does right, read it in one of her answers, then calls me a smelly dog or buffalo chip, sounds a little like a hypocrite. Going to any church does not guarantee you will go to heaven unless you are doing what God says to do. If you do not believe in heaven or hell or God what difference would it make to you. We can go on and on with this so believe whatever you want to and I will believe what I want to and when we die we will find out who was right or wrong. Now you can babble on if you want to, I have better ways to spend my time.

 

You know I don't like the way I ended my answer to you. It's easy sometimes to get feelings mixed in with rationally Let me leave it like this. I do believe there is a God and there is a heaven. I want you, Best, me, and every one else to go there, so if I have offended anyone I am sorry. We are free moral agents and can believe whatever we want to. We can differ and still be rational to each other. I hope this answers your questions. Have a good day, bye.

Originally Posted by Old American:

Not judging,if you do not believe in God and will not read His word and obey His commands you do have a warped mine. There is a difference in judging and stating a fact.  If you know something for sure, it is not a judgement, it is a fact. So the fact is you have a disrespect for God which proves you have a warped mine.

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Which kind of warped mine does Best have?  One that blows things up, or one that you get ore from?

 

Originally Posted by Old American:
 

First off you asked if my church was one that believed they are the only ones going to heaven. You should have said does the church you attend, I do not have a church, it belongs to the Lord. And where did you get the information that the coc believes they are the only ones going to heaven. Did you get that out of a book that you do not know if it's true or not or did someone tell you that and you do not know if they are telling the truth. I can tell you who will go to heaven or you can read it for yourself in the Bible. The person that will go to heaven is that person who does Gods will. I am not the judge nor are you. God will be the one to say who gets to go. Best said she always does right, read it in one of her answers, then calls me a smelly dog or buffalo chip, sounds a little like a hypocrite. Going to any church does not guarantee you will go to heaven unless you are doing what God says to do. If you do not believe in heaven or hell or God what difference would it make to you. We can go on and on with this so believe whatever you want to and I will believe what I want to and when we die we will find out who was right or wrong. Now you can babble on if you want to, I have better ways to spend my time. 

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Wow! Babble?? I enjoy these discussions & you put me down by saying I'm babbling? It's amazing to me how people can get so mad for no reason! Have I called you names? Have I said you're going to Hell, etc.? I enjoy discussing things like this with people that can do it with an open mind. I enjoy it because you never know when you might learn something. That's why I keep an open mind, because I never want to stop learning.

 

I grew up hearing COC Pastors teaching the COC were the only ones going to Heaven. I could give you the scriptures that they use while teaching it, but since you're not willing to discuss it w/o anger, I won't go into detail. Your mind is so closed to your belief you're not willing to discuss it w/o anger & name calling, but that is another trait of the COC.

They will also argue that since the name is “Church of Christ,” that indicates that the church/denomination is the one & only true Church, something that is completely unbiblical.

 

 The Church of Christ are fanatically against musical instruments. Some are fanatical to the point of declaring any church that uses musical instruments as not being a true, biblical, or godly church, which again is completely unbiblical.

 

You want to know what difference it would make to me if I don't believe in Heaven, Hell or God? Show me where I said I didn't. You can't because I didn't say that, you put words in my mouth again. I doubt, yes, but to say I know for a fact, I cannot. That, sir, is why I listen, I discuss, & want to learn.

 

Show me where I said I was the judge as to who would go to Heaven/who wouldn't. You can't because I didn't say it. This is about the third time you've put words in my mouth & I ask that you please not do that.

I feel sorry for you in that you refuse to learn by closing your mind. You have it made up as to how you believe it's going to be & there is no room to consider any other possibility. That most likely came from the teaching of your church.

I'm sorry you feel such disgust for me. Maybe someday you will be willing to open your mind & learn things you never thought you would learn. I hope you have a good week.

As for marriage and pastors (any denomination or Catholic) performing a marriage the problem is not with Marrying someone that they deem or judge to be a sinner for if that was the case then no one would ever qualify to be married for all have sinned, even the ministers.  The problem with pastors/ministers being forced or compelled to marry a homosexual couple is that by performing the ceremony they are essentially putting God's blessing on that union and that part of it is just not Scriptural for Homosexuality is an abomination to God and God also considers marriage to be between a man and a woman.

 

So important is that marriage bond that God only allows divorce but dose not approve of it.  Marriage, to God, and represented in Scriptures is representative of Christ relationship to the Church.  The Church as a whole (not physical building but rather the whole of all Saints of God, those Saved) make up the Spiritual Church and the "Bride of Christ" and Christ is the Groom.

 

Again by performing the ceremony the Minister is essentially putting God's blessings on the union and that is just not Scriptural for Homosexuality is considered as a sin and like with all other sins God does not bless any of them.  It is sin that was the reason that God/Christ had to endure the Cross and Crucifixion so to be a sacrifice for mankind's sins including that sin of homosexuality. 

 

If two same sex couples want to form a civil union and want equal rights, under the earthly government, as a man and a woman then that is a function of Government and not a function of God and the Church nor should it be.  My own opinion mind you.

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I grew up not going to any church. When I decided to open my mind up about things I started going.

The coc was not the only one I went to. I read the Bible and found that what they teach is in the Bible.

You seem to think different and that's your privilege. When I try to answer your questions you take it as a personal attack on you. The things I said is what I believe. You seem to think I have a closed mind.

i have a very open mind and that is why I believe the way I do

Originally Posted by Old American:

I grew up not going to any church. When I decided to open my mind up about things I started going.

The coc was not the only one I went to. I read the Bible and found that what they teach is in the Bible.

You seem to think different and that's your privilege. When I try to answer your questions you take it as a personal attack on you. The things I said is what I believe. You seem to think I have a closed mind.

i have a very open mind and that is why I believe the way I do

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You again put words in my mouth that I did not say. Every church you find teaches what they believe the Bible to be saying. They all can't be right. Some exaggerate to the point of ridiculous.

Every time I answer you back I am putting words in your mouth. I write one thing and you hear something different. So please do not ask me any more questions, because you do not listen.

If you want to make a point, say it and stop putting words in my mouth. Answer whatever you want to back and you will not get a answer from me because you do not listen.

Best said she always does right, read it in one of her answers, then calls me a smelly dog or buffalo chip, sounds a little like a hypocrite.

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Yes, how awful of me to respond after YOU called me names. There's another example of that good old coc hypocrisy. BTW, I said you were beginning to smell like a wet mangy dog or a buffalo chip, and you know exactly what I mean too. Looks like the shoe fits, so wear it.

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So it is o.k. for you to call me a hypocrit, but not o.k. For me to call you what I think you are.

You just do not like my answer and since you did not hear me the first time I told you, listen this time I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ME. Answer whatever you want to back because I will not answer you. I do not believe anything you say. Have a nice day. Goodby.

Originally Posted by Old American:

This is for all others that read these forums , not you best because apparently you do not know what you have read. She said the coc are hyprocrites and I answered her back. So who started first. According to her I did. I answered her back about her comments. Not only is she making comments she can't back up but she is a liar too.

Olden American, those two stay ill at men constantly. Semi claims to have a "hubby"lol and best, well the jury is out on that. I cannot imagine either one of them being espoused to man woman or beast. 

Originally Posted by Old American:

This is for all others that read these forums , not you best because apparently you do not know what you have read. She said the coc are hyprocrites and I answered her back. So who started first. According to her I did. I answered her back about her comments. Not only is she making comments she can't back up but she is a liar too.

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You called her warped & now she's a liar? Doesn't sound like a Christian to me. Sad.....

Originally Posted by Old American:

This is for all others that read these forums , not you best because apparently you do not know what you have read. She said the coc are hyprocrites and I answered her back. So who started first. According to her I did. I answered her back about her comments. Not only is she making comments she can't back up but she is a liar too.

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What have I posted that I can't back up? What have I lied about? You most certainly started it. You made it personal first. Everything I have said is true and I know it from personal knowledge. I know the old perverted preacher's family, I know the other people involved in all the things I've posted. I have two families of coc in my family. I hear the awful stories about the hypocritical things the coc does.

When you say coc are hyprocrites you include me and a lot of other people.So now prove we are all hyprocrites. When you say coc you only know about your personal problems with it. So say that and do not lump it all up as coc. Yes you made it personal to me by saying coc. You not only told one lie but two. First I am not a hypocrite and second yes you started it. What do you not understand I replied to you. I can't reply if you had never said anything. And semi, so it is not Christian like to tell the truth. I have just told you why I called her a liar because she is. You can make any comments you choose, but if a Christian does , then you think it's wrong. Jesus condemned people for what they were doing wrong so does that make him wrong. If you do not want the truth to come out then keep your comments to yourself.

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