As much as i dislike starting a new thread, this one deserves one of it's own.
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quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Don't you think that you should let someone of the church explain?
They worship Jesus as their savior, is that not the requirement for Christianity?
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Don't you think that you should let someone of the church explain?
They worship Jesus as their savior, is that not the requirement for Christianity?
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
So you are saying that they worship Satan's brother who happens to be named Jesus?
Tell me this Bill, according to the World Christian Encyclopedia (year 2000 version), global Christianity had 33,820 denominations with 3,445,000 congregations/churches composed of 1,888 million affiliated Christians.
Why do you think you have it right and the other 33,819 denominations have it wrong when they all use the same Bible?
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
[But, there are cult churches who try to wear a Christian face -- but are not successful. The Mormon church is one of those.
Yes, they follow a created being they have named Jesus Christ -- who is, according to the teachings of the Mormon leaders -- is the "spirit brother" of Lucifer. I don't say it -- their leaders say it.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Don't you think that you should let someone of the church explain?
They worship Jesus as their savior, is that not the requirement for Christianity?
Hi B,
No, they do not worship Jesus Christ as Savior. They worship a man, a created being who is the spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan, and they call him Jesus Christ.
Their Jesus is a totally different person from the Jesus Christ of John 1:1 in the Bible.
And, they do not worship the God of the Bible. They worship a god who was intially a man and then grew into a god -- and their god is one of a committee of gods. The heavens and earth, in Mormonism, was created by the committee of gods.
The Mormon church is a cult church.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed.
quote:Originally posted by thenagel:
ya know.. after all the things i've seen incorrectly stated about the catholic church and their beliefs...things i know to be false...
i'm just gonna wait and see if anyone who claims to be mormon wants to answer..
forgive me for not accepting your word, Bet and bill, but if you aren't a member then you don't really know - you only know what someone else has said or written about the LDS peoples.
heresay isn't even admissible in a court, i'm certainly not doing to give it any credence in here.
so.. any mormons wanna address this?
do you believe christ is the son of god, sent here for our salvation, and died to wash away our sins so that we may enter the kingdom of heaven?
if yes, then they are as christian as a baptist or a catholic church. if not, they aren't.
quote:Originally posted by thenagel:
bill claims to have indepth knowledge of hte catholic church, and yet he spews half-truths, misconceptions, and flat out lies about their beliefs and practices. i know because i spent a long long (loooong) time married to a catholic.
i'm not saying you are lying, Beter, i'm saying i'd rather have info from the horses mouth - because when it comes form the other end, like bills "facts" about the catholic church, it always end ups incorrect.
quote:Originally posted by thenagel:quote:Originally posted by beternU:
Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed.
while i mean no disrespect to you, i'm going to wait and see what an acctual mormon says on the issue.
bill claims to have indepth knowledge of hte catholic church, and yet he spews half-truths, misconceptions, and flat out lies about their beliefs and practices. i know because i spent a long long (loooong) time married to a catholic.
i'm not saying you are lying, Beter, i'm saying i'd rather have info from the horses mouth - because when it comes form the other end, like bills "facts" about the catholic church, it always end ups incorrect.
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:
[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be
1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?
seems to pretty much cover it. everythign else is just icing on the cake."[QUOTE]
Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed. They teach that a Mormon can be baptized in behalf of a deceased person who never believed any of those things you have listed and who never accepted salvation with an open heart and never asked Christ to guide him/her forever more.
Thus, those dead folks, according to Mormon theology, can be saved without any of the prerequisites you list, so long as they are baptized by proxy theough the kind offices of a Mormon stand-in.
Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:
[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be
1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?
seems to pretty much cover it. everythign else is just icing on the cake."[QUOTE]
Well, thenagel, the LDS teach that a person can receive heavenly blessings even if he/she did none of those things you have listed. They teach that a Mormon can be baptized in behalf of a deceased person who never believed any of those things you have listed and who never accepted salvation with an open heart and never asked Christ to guide him/her forever more.
Thus, those dead folks, according to Mormon theology, can be saved without any of the prerequisites you list, so long as they are baptized by proxy theough the kind offices of a Mormon stand-in.
Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.
quote:Originally posted by Bot:
Mormons' theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:
http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com
Those who would denigrate the Mormon religion, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.
quote:The Mormon church is a cult church! Period!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Dwight
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:
[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be
1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?
Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:The Mormon church is a cult church! Period!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill, if nothing else, you fail to see the irony in this and that makes me laugh out loud.
quote:Originally posted by Gifted Child:quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Dwight
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
thenagel writes:
[QUOTE] so far the only real requirement necessary to be ' christian' seems to be
1- do you believe christ was the son of god, sent here to redeem our sins, and that he died for our salvation?
2- do you accept that salvation with an open heart and ask forgivness of your sins, and ask Christ to guide you forever more?
Seems to me that you shouldn't be so hasty to endorse, as Christian, a belief system that confers salvation upon those who have not done what YOU consider necessary for salvation.
dwight....... Hang loose, I've got a call to Donny and marie as we speak.
Helps coming. I think ones a little bit country.
quote:Originally posted by buffalo:
Cult churches?
It has always seemed to me; a cult can always manage for a guiltless, abundance of nookie on demand.
quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Let me say a few things here. About your debates concerning the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. There is really no reason for me to get involved. Bill has all the answers. But there is a problem. THINGS OF THE SPIRIT CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE SPIRIT.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, let me put it this way.
If I said:
"You are a lying piece of feces but God Bless and have a wonderful day",
Do you feel blessed?
quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
no jobs for me when I got out. My pay was dropped from two thousand a month to eight hundred. What did I do? I went out and bought a new car. My X called me an idiot because of all that was going on and I bought a new car. She went and told the church people what an idiot I was and many agreed. So what do you think? Idiot or not.
I have shared this story for a reason. So which is it? Idiot or not?
Dwight
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Let me say a few things here. About your debates concerning the RESTORED church of JESUS CHRIST. There is really no reason for me to get involved. Bill has all the answers. But there is a problem. THINGS OF THE SPIRIT CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE SPIRIT.
Hi Dwight,
Many of us served in the military; and, I got out during a very bad recession. So, I do understand how you felt. However, that is beside the point.
Let's get back to the real gist of the discussion. You say you WILL NOT answer -- for you are waiting for the Holy Spirit to tell you what to say.
Well, guess what, my Friend -- He has already. It is called the Bible and it contains His full revelation for us. However, it does not contain your Mormon false teachings -- and, therein lies the problem -- why you will not respond.
What you want to do is to write long diatribes such as on your Cherokee Blog for others to read -- but, you do not want to discuss issues.
Why? Because you cannot. You just want to preach -- but, not teach. For teaching implies a two way dialogue -- and you cannot do that -- for your Mormon doctrines will not stand up under the scrutiny.
Okay, we all understand. You are in a cult church and have no answers when it is compared to Scripture. I am truly sorry that you do not believe enough in what you write to defend it.
In 1 Peter 3:15 we are told, "But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."
The "hope that is in Christian believers" is the coming return of Jesus Christ. But, of course, you do not believe in Jesus Christ -- so, there is no hope there for you. You cannot defend the hope you do not have. Sad. But, there is always times, as long as you are still breathing -- to turn and follow the real Jesus Christ and find true salvation. Then, you will have hope to defend.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
no jobs for me when I got out. My pay was dropped from two thousand a month to eight hundred. What did I do? I went out and bought a new car. My X called me an idiot because of all that was going on and I bought a new car. She went and told the church people what an idiot I was and many agreed. So what do you think? Idiot or not.
I have shared this story for a reason. So which is it? Idiot or not?
Dwight
My answer would be not. My guess is that you paid cash from money you had saved up.
What business was it of your ex or the church what you bought & why?
I would have told them to kiss my butt, & I'm using the nicer word.
quote:Originally posted by Bot:
Bill,
Are you sure you aren't Bill Keller. You are using his talking points. Please read the following information and debate with facts not fantasy:
http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com