Are You Safe In Your Mall Or Favorite Large Store?

Hi all,

Thus, another good discussion has quickly run down the gutter into the drainage pipes and become just another "spitting contest."   And, some wonder why I walk away to start new discussions?  I never could get used to "spitting into the wind."   Congratulations to my non-believing Friends.   You have the ability (?) to take a home warming party -- and turn it into a house burning party.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Have you never wondered why your topics quickly run down the gutter into the drainage pipes & become  "spitting contest" as you call them? You really should try to think about that if you can get your brain to function normally long enough.

If you know something I do not, please bring me up to speed.  But, if you are asking my opinion of why all the discussions regarding God, the Bible, Jesus Christ, and Christianity -- are hijacked and turned into childish "spitting contests" -- I would have to speculate that it is because most non-believers are uncomfortable discussing these issues.  They would rather talk about worldly, secular issues -- and, therefore, they quickly hijack any discussion begun which deals with these.

Even in one or two discussions which GBRK and possibly one or two others have begun, addressed to Christian believers only, and specifically asking atheists and other non-believers to stay out -- in no time, those discussions were also hijacked in the same manner.

The only thing which confuses me is -- if atheists, secularists, and other non-believers are more comfortable discussing worldly, secular issues -- why not go to the Misc, News, Politics, Food, etc., Forums where these things are freely discussed?  Why come into the Religion Forum -- if these subjects upset you? 

Would you go to a church -- and then get upset because they discuss God, the Bible, Jesus Christ, and Christianity?   That is about as foolish as going to a Nascar race -- and complaining about the noise.

So, Chick, my Friend -- please tell me why you believe these discussions always hijacked into "spitting contests"?  I am truly interested in what you have to say.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

How about you bill, hijacking others threads when they get too much attention? You can't stand that and you always run and make new threads. Talk about hijacking threads. You always do that because somehow you think you are in charge of this forum. AND I think you and gb both need to get a grip about this forum. It is not a christian only forum. And when people such as myself and semi, along with others, stand up to you is when you start calling the discussions "spitting contests". Get use to it bill, or stay in your own private world where the women kowtow and only do what the men tell them they can do.

Why do you continually USE DECEPTION when you post like this?  You are a very deceptive person who cares not to make things up about people.  I NEVER said I wanted to make this a Christian forum that was your OWN BIASED mind that created such.  Find and post for me where I ever said I wanted to make this a Christian only forum?  You can't because I never said such.

I just said, as Bill alluded to above, that anyone with a sound mind should expect to see postings of a religions/Christian/Jewish/Muslim nature under the banner of Religion.   I just said that I believe that many atheist, possibly you also, come in here only to berate and demean Christians and berate Christianity because we dare to voice our own beliefs which differ from yours.  YOU, and those like you, are doing just as much preaching in here only your message is one of deception and one of criticism of your fellow forum members rather than anything positive about what you believe.  If atheism IS a Religion then this would be the place to tell and explain to others all the merits of atheism and why you believe as you do but that isn't how you operate. 

You, and some others, aren't happy until you can criticize another person or what they believe in.  You have no positive points so you live in the gutter where you reach out and have to always, continually, berate and belittle other forum members who believe differently than you.  Besides being childish you demonstrate such a bitter character for having to continually do so.   I have tried and tried to ignore your post but you continually reference me in yours so I have to respond.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND?  Do you have an nth of intelligence.  IF SO IGNORE ME WOMAN!   STOP posting about me, mentioning me in your BIASED references.   I'll be glad to IGNORE you but in your inner bitterness which so many have seen and mentioned about, you have to continually bring me into conversations.  Is there any good in your heart or mind at all or is it totally filled with bitterness that you have to continue to distort facts and distort the truth.  Anyone that takes a sampling of your post in here can quickly come up with a few adjectives to describe you chief among which is BITTER and DECEPTIVE.

I ask again and request again..... IGNORE ME PLEASE and allow me to do the same to you!!!!  There is surely nothing "best" about you but the worst in a person comes through.  You responses are so biased and angry how can you expect anyone to think of an atheist as a happy person?  How can anyone assume you to be a happy person when you post as you do in here with such bitterness?  You DO appear to be a very BITTER woman.

Oh and btw bill, I don't believe anyone was stalking you. I think you just stirred up trouble against someone to feel important. You should be ashamed of yourself. Apparently you spend all your time (that you aren't on the computer) in that mall "policing" the stores and telling them how they should operate and display the items they sell. Instead of stalking you the man may have been keeping an eye on you because the store owners consider you a nut. Ever think of that?

Why do you continually USE DECEPTION when you post like this?  You are a very deceptive person who cares not to make things up about people.  I NEVER said I wanted to make this a Christian forum that was your OWN BIASED mind that created such.  Find and post for me where I ever said I wanted to make this a Christian only forum?  You can't because I never said such

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Do you ever stop whining? You argue with me constantly about the definition of the title of this forum, refuse to believe, even though you should remember the old description, that it is not a christian forum only. What is your "why do they post here if they don't believe, blah blah blah," that you post constantly even though it has been explained to you over and over why atheists post here?  Didn't you even go as far to mention it in the feedback section? What is that if it's not your whine that atheists shouldn't be posting here??

As far as deception gb, look in the mirror. You think you post in such a way that your message gets across but no one can pin you down to actually saying something. That's another thing a few of you have in common.

gbrk

          Old Faithful

 

July 24, 2011 2:17 PM

 

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Many of your forums are straight forward and I don't think it's difficult to understand who they are for.  Politics is for political talk, Food, Sports, Entertainment and the like are pretty evident what they are for.

 

On the Religion board, being a Christian, I questioned the Atheist that are there and do not believe in anything Religion is about.  Also they say atheism is not a religion  so I ask why they would want to post under a topic that contains post that they don't believe in or object to.  One forum member wrote back that under the old forum that the Times Daily posted that the Religion forum was for Religion "and other beliefs or practices".

 

So for my own curiosity and other people of Religion who are a part of the Religion forum;

 

1)  Is the Religion forum for Religion and what all is defined under the name or term of Religion? 

 

or  

 

2)  Is the forum for Religion AND all other practices that are not categorized as Religions such that could contain or encompass atheism, witchcraft, wiccians, flying spaghetti monsters and any other "practices" that various people might have?

 

If the forum is the latter(#2)  and not targeted for the discussion of Religion then, as a Christian participant who cannot seem to post a topic to discuss among fellow Christians or Religious believers without constant attacks from some atheist, who have said openly that they do not care about what we believe or do not care about offending people of religion then  I suggest a clarification.  Put on the Religion forum that it's for Religion and other Practices or at least define better what the Religion forum is for.

 

I would think it would be self evident, that a forum is for what it says, but apparently that is not the case with the Religion forum.  My reason for asking is I posed a question to the atheist mostly because of the demeaning remarks, on the forum to people of faith, about why they would want to post under the religion forum or what their motivation would be and that's how it came up.  One person said it's for all practices.  I suppose that therefore justifies their right to post demeaning remarks about Christians or other faiths who choose to post under Religion.  I would just like clarification as to what Religion means to the Times Daily who created the forum because frankly it's more like watching fights and is more bickering and insults against other forum members than it is constructive debates or discussions about religion or among people of faith.

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I didn't say all the discussions were hijacked & I used the term "spitting contests"  "as you call them" & I certainly didn't use the word childish. If you notice, I said "your topics".

GBRK has always treated me with respect, & answered any questions I had w/o putting me down in any manner. I can't say the same for you.

I remember one specific topic that I addressed to Atheist, Agnostic, & unsaved only, about some questions I had, & I specifically asked that Christians & other believers to stay out, but you hijacked that topic right off. What makes it ok for you to do that?

I can't speak for the others here but I'm not uncomfortable at all discussing the issues regarding God, the Bible, Jesus & Christianity. I'm willing to learn whatever I can & will ask questions. What I am uncomfortable with is you & your form of Christianity. I believe that what you're doing is wrong, & I do not believe you to be a Christian. You have your opinion of me & I have my opinion of you.

Your question of my going to a church & getting upset because they discuss religion is foolish in itself & doesn't deserve an answer.

As far as why I believe your discussions are always hijacked into "spitting contests" as you call it? It's really very simple & if you don't know already, my explaining it to you won't get us anywhere.

I'm curous, jimi...just HOW SMALL was the gun you carried in the military?

In all of this discussion, I have found nothing posted by anyone suggesting that this "stalker" just might be a mentally ill person in need of help.  From the description of his actions, this seems like a very real possibility.  

Contendah, you are most probably right.  Bill had many choices as a Christian on how to deal with the man.  Did he pick the right one? 

I had a very similar experience a few months ago with a gentleman. I greeted him several times and received little response, yet he followed me closely and continued to stare.

Upon meeting his wife I found he had early-onset Alzheimer's disease (if I remember correctly) and I must have reminded him of a family member or someone he once knew. 

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For one thing I have doubts the man even existed. No one else complained about him did they? And how would it happen that he would decide to "stalk" bill? It seems to me that if the man had "bad intentions" he would have responded to bill and said something along the lines of "no problem",  just going your way it seems. Why would he stay in a threatening mode after being confronted? AND if he was that sinister why would bill approach him? Could be that if he even existed he felt it was better not to answer or engage the nutcase that kept approaching him asking "can I help you"?

That is true.  He could have had some sort of mental problem, or as Dude wrote, he could have had Alzheimer's.   Although, looking in his eyes, I could not tell and all I saw was a man stalking me who would not talk or indicate what he wanted of me.  I think the best way to handle such an incident was to call Mall Security and let them handle it -- which I did. 

Keep in mind that I also had seen the news report just the night before of a homeless man had, for no apparent reason, picked up a baseball bat and beat a man to death -- in the Walmart store.  That so recent memory, and my stalker's attitude, is most certainly cause for caution.  The best thing to do was to call security.

My reason for posting this article on the Religion Forum and in my Friends Ministry eNewsletter was to make people aware of such dangers and also make them aware of the protection they have available through such good Mall Security.   In my community, I have many Friends who frequent our mall and I feel better knowing that they and their children have Mall Security on speed dial.  It could save a life.  If the man in Walmart had security's number for that store on speed dial -- he might still be alive today instead of in the morgue.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I guess God wouldn't be watching out for you if you had done something nice for the guy instead of calling security.

Bill, where was the faith you claim to have that God will keep you from all harm?

God does not promise to keep anyone free from harm or from tribulations.  As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ tells us that we will have  tribulations in this life, because of His name.  But, because of our hope in Him -- we have peace (Romans 5:1).  And, we look  forward to eternity with Him.

Mark 8:34, "And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, 'If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.' "

Romans 5:1-5, "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.  And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through  the Holy Spirit who was given to us."

That hope that all Christian have is the knowledge that Jesus Christ will return and take His church, His body of believers, out of this  world before the seven year Tribulation begins.  And, we will return with Him at the end of the Tribulation when He comes again to  establish His 1000 year Millennial Reign, His Kingdom of God, on earth.  And, we will be with Him for eternity.

What are a few trials and tribulations -- when we know that our reward is eternity with Him?

So, my Friend -- we have no promise that this life will be pain free -- but, a definite promise of eternal security.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

God does not promise to keep anyone free from harm or from tribulations

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The LORD shall preserve your going out and your coming in from this time forth, and even forevermore.

Psalm 121:8

Thus, another good discussion has quickly run down the gutter into the drainage pipes and become just another "spitting contest."

What was the "discussion" about?

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Walmart stores are usually full of people or at least the ones here are. So this store you're speaking of was empty or people just stood by & watched while this man was beaten to death?

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Just exactly what does “because of His name”, “because of your hope in Him” or “eternity with Him” & those scriptures have to do with faith & my question?  None of what you posted has anything to do with you & your stalker. Not unless he was the owner of the store about the hate thing & you were outside his store preaching the evils of hate.

Billy, I got news for you. There is scriptures that go against your “God does not promise to keep anyone free from harm or from tribulations”. There’s several of them but here’s two from Psalm.

"Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name".

"The LORD shall preserve you from all evil".

Bill,

Immediately before Jesus' arrest, why did Jesus command his disciples to arm themselves? Answer: Jesus KNEW they lived in perilous times. Robbers, bandits and murderers preyed on everyone.

My ex-wife always got upset over MY decision to CCW in church. She always stated that 'God would protect us'. I always replied with 'God gave ME the common sense to know what things were left up to me to do.'

FWIW, my wife and I, as well as most of our immediate family members and friends have CCW permits and CCW daily.

Probably a dumb question but what is CCW?

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I should have known that since my husband carries one.

You ducked my earlier question, jimi: What weapon did you carry in the military? M14, M79, M1911, M9, M16A1/A2, XM177, M60/M60E, M249, M40, M21, M2, Mk19, M203? Which one?

Oh, yeah... Feel free to google each one so you will know what each is.

220, 221, whatever it takes

I've learned NEVER to expect an ANSWER from jimi whenever the answer requires THOUGHT and HONESTY.

You left out the M1 Carbine that we had in Korea.   The M1 Carbine and the F-86F jet was my day. 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Thanks for your service!

FWIW, I didn't 'forget' the little M1. jimi has stated that he served in Vietnam and Iraq. Unless he was an 'advisor' EARLY in the pre-combat days of the war, he wouldn't have carried an M1....unless he was a member of a South Vietnamese unit.