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As the soul ascends through Purgatory, as it enters the upper reaches after so much suffering, it reaches places that, while lacking God's Presence, take on some characteristics of Heaven.

 

This is the Purgatory of desire. This is the Threshold. This is where many who have been holy, loving, and diligent on earth -- but who have unpurged faults -- are sent. It is also where souls from the lower reaches eventually ascend. Here one can only imagine the colors that begin to take shape above the gray areas and the more frequent visits from the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph, and St. Michael.

 

It's a place where there is more happiness than sadness. It's a place of anticipation. It's a place where the spiritual body has been beautified.

 

In all our life we have never encountered the kind of beauty we will be given as we approach paradise.

 

It's not Heaven and there is still purification but it's beautiful because souls see the spiritual world. They see angels. They occasionally hear from Christ. They are given knowledge about matters elsewhere in the afterlife or even events on earth when so permitted as the veil scrolls like a curtain between two worlds and God gives the grace to see beyond time and space.

 

In a book called Treatise on the Purgatory of St. Patrick, an English Cistercian monk named H. of Sawtry related the vision of a knight named Owen who was shown a place of flowers, fruit, and grass with an aroma "on whose fragrance he felt he could subsist forever."

It was upper Purgatory. There was no night, no heat, no cold.

 

Here the final lessons are learned, the final impatience is purged, the last of anger is erased, the tiniest residues of lust and dislike and resentment replaced with total love.

 

The more a soul loves God, the more a soul loves others, the more beautiful, purified, and radiant it becomes. The Threshold is a place that puts a soft glow on death. "Seen in the light of God, death becomes a sweet encounter," wrote Father Alessio Parente. "It becomes not the sunset but a beautiful dawn, the forerunner to eternal life with God. When the heart is filled with God, death no longer frightens, but it becomes a sweet caress -- the caresses of God as He welcomes His creature."

 

At the upper reaches of Purgatory, at the highest stage, the immediate environment is said to resemble Heaven. There is still pain but there is also a certain peace, comfort, and beauty. No doubt many holy people who had some minor need of purification do their entire purgatories here. Love is pure and for Heaven there must be pure love.

 

At the high levels souls can probably communicate more readily and pray with less effort than in the oppressive lower levels. I imagine there are many souls at that stage who would have gone directly to Heaven but for a bit too much pride and self-love.

 

We're told there are souls who would have made the grand entry but didn't have a strong enough desire, while on earth, to see God.

 

http://www.spiritdaily.com/Afterlife2015b.htm

 

 

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Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

In America no one is forced to believe anything, not even the Bible.

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And how fortunate that is, unlike things were in the Dark Ages, when certain persons branded as heretics by the Catholic Church were forced to renounce their beliefs or be burned at the stake.

Burning at the stake was your thing conLiar, Do you want to go into the

numbers you murdered for witchcraft again.? I still have all of it and the

debunking of your propaganda you believe without question, but believe

about half the Bible. Are you half a Christian, or self taught the way you

want it. Well that was  rhetorical, big time lololol......... 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

In America no one is forced to believe anything, not even the Bible.

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And how fortunate that is, unlike things were in the Dark Ages, when certain persons branded as heretics by the Catholic Church were forced to renounce their beliefs or be burned at the stake.

Burning at the stake was your thing conLiar, Do you want to go into the

numbers you murdered for witchcraft again.? I still have all of it and the

debunking of your propaganda you believe without question, but believe

about half the Bible. Are you half a Christian, or self taught the way you

want it. Well that was  rhetorical, big time lololol......... 

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Check out this box score, Jack:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...e_burned_as_heretics

 

the conliar

 

And how fortunate that is, unlike things were in the Dark Ages, when certain persons branded as heretics by the Catholic Church were forced to renounce their beliefs or be burned at the stake.

 

the jerk

 

Burning at the stake was your thing conLiar, Do you want to go into the

numbers you murdered for witchcraft again.? I still have all of it and the

debunking of your propaganda you believe without question, but believe

about half the Bible. Are you half a Christian, or self taught the way you

want it. Well that was  rhetorical, big time lololol......... 

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Point out that the Inquisition was intended not to convert people, but to find people who were outwardly claiming to be Christian but secretly practiced another religion, such as people who had become Christian outwardly, but who were still secretly practicing anti-Messianic Judaism, Islam, or Albigensianism, this last being a religion claiming that there are two gods, one good and one evil.

 

The inquisition was thus an attempt to protect the purity of the Christian community.

 

 

Also point out that the Protestants had a counter-inquisition that killed Catholics. Thousands of Catholics were killed in England alone after the Reformation struck there. The same thing was true in Ireland and other areas where the Reformation came. John Calvin, for instance, was known for burning people at the stake.

 

 

In addition, Protestants were the big witch-burners. Witch burning never caught on in Catholic countries. When the Spanish Inquisition examined the cases of reported witches, it almost invariably concluded that the charges were false and the accused were not guilty. But tens of thousands of supposed witches were burned at the stake, hanged, or drowned in Protestant countries, including the American colonies

 

 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

the conliar

 

And how fortunate that is, unlike things were in the Dark Ages, when certain persons branded as heretics by the Catholic Church were forced to renounce their beliefs or be burned at the stake.

 

the jerk

 

Burning at the stake was your thing conLiar, Do you want to go into the

numbers you murdered for witchcraft again.? I still have all of it and the

debunking of your propaganda you believe without question, but believe

about half the Bible. Are you half a Christian, or self taught the way you

want it. Well that was  rhetorical, big time lololol......... 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Point out that the Inquisition was intended not to convert people, but to find people who were outwardly claiming to be Christian but secretly practiced another religion, such as people who had become Christian outwardly, but who were still secretly practicing anti-Messianic Judaism, Islam, or Albigensianism, this last being a religion claiming that there are two gods, one good and one evil.

 

The inquisition was thus an attempt to protect the purity of the Christian community.

 

 

Also point out that the Protestants had a counter-inquisition that killed Catholics. Thousands of Catholics were killed in England alone after the Reformation struck there. The same thing was true in Ireland and other areas where the Reformation came. John Calvin, for instance, was known for burning people at the stake.

 

 

In addition, Protestants were the big witch-burners. Witch burning never caught on in Catholic countries. When the Spanish Inquisition examined the cases of reported witches, it almost invariably concluded that the charges were false and the accused were not guilty. But tens of thousands of supposed witches were burned at the stake, hanged, or drowned in Protestant countries, including the American colonies

 

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Learn to read, Jack.  I never mentioned any witch burning and the list in the link to you was a iist of persons burned for HERESY, not for being witches.  The introduction at the top of the list specifically states that it did not include witches.  Consistent with my original post, that list was a list of HERETICS and the largest number of persons listed were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church. Witches--or those accused as witches--were not considered heretics; they were in a different class of offenders. It is YOU who introduced witches.  I made no reference to them. I regard the burning of witches as reprehensible, irrespective of who does the burning. .  I was not trying to defend that practice or avoid the fact that many witches burned at the stake were victims of Protestant persecution, most often from Calvinists, who adhere to one of the most destructive heresies of all, the deranged doctrines ginned up by John Calvin.

 

Once more, Jack--HERESY, not witches! And not box scores on all classes of persons burned. Since you ignored and distorted the meaning of my post, here it is again for you to reconsider and perhaps (though not likely) address intelligently. I'm sure you can find some irrelevant cut-and-paste blather to pony up, but for once try phrasing some kind of meaningful reply. 

 "And how fortunate that is, unlike things were in the Dark Ages, when certain persons branded as heretics by the Catholic Church were forced to renounce their beliefs or be burned at the stake."

Last edited by Contendahh
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

the conliar

 

And how fortunate that is, unlike things were in the Dark Ages, when certain persons branded as heretics by the Catholic Church were forced to renounce their beliefs or be burned at the stake.

 

the jerk

 

Burning at the stake was your thing conLiar, Do you want to go into the

numbers you murdered for witchcraft again.? I still have all of it and the

debunking of your propaganda you believe without question, but believe

about half the Bible. Are you half a Christian, or self taught the way you

want it. Well that was  rhetorical, big time lololol......... 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Point out that the Inquisition was intended not to convert people, but to find people who were outwardly claiming to be Christian but secretly practiced another religion, such as people who had become Christian outwardly, but who were still secretly practicing anti-Messianic Judaism, Islam, or Albigensianism, this last being a religion claiming that there are two gods, one good and one evil.

 

The inquisition was thus an attempt to protect the purity of the Christian community.

 

 

Also point out that the Protestants had a counter-inquisition that killed Catholics. Thousands of Catholics were killed in England alone after the Reformation struck there. The same thing was true in Ireland and other areas where the Reformation came. John Calvin, for instance, was known for burning people at the stake.

 

 

In addition, Protestants were the big witch-burners. Witch burning never caught on in Catholic countries. When the Spanish Inquisition examined the cases of reported witches, it almost invariably concluded that the charges were false and the accused were not guilty. But tens of thousands of supposed witches were burned at the stake, hanged, or drowned in Protestant countries, including the American colonies

 

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HERESY!  Read and learn, Jack:

 

  • Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
  • Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
  • Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
    The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
    Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-**** mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
  • Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
  • subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
  • After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
  • Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
  • Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
  • Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
  • John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
  • University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
  • Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.   http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm 
 
 

 

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