Hi to my Forum Friends,

There are things which will always be a mystery to me in this life. One such thing which has always been, not only hard, but, I must say -- impossible, for me to get my mind around is cold, premeditated murder. I can see where a person might, in a temporary fit of rage or insanity, kill another. However, my mind will not grasp how a person can actually plan and carry out the murder of another person.

I realize that there are people such as this. "For hire" assassins have this kind of personality; cold, no conscience. Yet, no matter how much I ponder; no matter how I try to analyze and understand the thought process a person must use to plan a murder and then actually commit that murder -- my mind cannot grasp it. It is beyond my thoughts; beyond my understanding. Yet, we do know there are people who can take the life of another without a second thought; as though he/she were killing a mosquito.

The same train of thought, the same lack of ability to make my mind grasp it, applies to people who vehemently deny the existence of God. In one sense, I can somewhat understand this attitude -- for I believe it to be more of a defense mechanism rather than a true belief. I equate this person to the ostrich who will hide its head in the sand -- to evade danger. A person can strongly deny God -- trying to avoid the conflict of having to hold one's self accountable to God; and not to self. So, by adamantly denying God; these people eventually brainwash themselves and fools themselves into, consciously, believing, at at least accepting the idea, there is no God.

But, the person I cannot understand, the person I mentally equate with the no-conscience hired assassin -- are the people who will not only deny God; but, will mock, defame, and actually curse God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible. Once again, this is an attitude, a belief, I cannot get my mind around.

When I was a young boy, I attended different churches in Sheffield: Nazarene, Methodist, Baptist -- until an incident in a church drove me away. From the age of twelve until I was fifty -- I ran from God, I was not a believer, I was not a Christian. Yet, all during that period of my life -- I never doubted the existence of God; I never doubted that Jesus Christ was God. I knew all of that intellectually; I just did not accept it spiritually; I did not allow Him to control my life. I stayed in control; as the mess I created many times throughout that period of my life will attest.

All during those years, if anyone asked if I was a Christian; my immediate answer was, "Yes, I am a Christian. I believe in God; I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I use to go to church -- and sometimes still do." Yet, I was far from being a Christian; I definitely was not saved. But, whenever asked -- I would quickly put on my Christian hat. Unless, of course, that would prevent me from going to a bar or night club for the evening; or if it would threaten the relationship I had with my paramour of that evening.

In summary, I can somewhat understand the "ostrich" atheist who is still throwing a tantrum, screaming, "I am in charge!"

Yet, I will never understand those who willfully mock, defame, and denigrate God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible. They have not given up on God; they have given up on themselves.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi Deep,

Obviously you did not understand what I wrote; or you wanted to change the subject and confuse the issue; or you just wanted to use the old atheist gambit of "when I have nothing to say, introduce something ridiculous."

I said that I cannot understand premeditated murder. I was thinking along the lines of assassins who commit premeditated, planned murder. But, this could also include people who commit random murders just for a thrill.

And, now that you have introduced it into the discussion -- yes, I would include abortion when used as a chosen form of birth control. Thank you for reminding me of this oversight.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, I believe DF was pointing out that Dr. Slepian was killed by an assassin as were Drs Gunn and Tiller that have links from the one above. I cant speak for DF but my interpretation is that all the DRs named aboved were assassinated by members of the christian church. All assassins were right wing fundamentalists, much like you Bill, who think abortion is a crime against God. Which brings up the point, is abortion a crime against God? I dont know, you dont know, no one knows except God himself. If you look through the bible at all the murders of innocent children in the name of God then the answer would be that God really doesn't care one way or the other on that.
I also have no idea how anyone could kill another in cold blood, but almost every documented case of assassination and assassination attempt have been by fundamentalists of one religion or another, from the very first "hashshashins" to the modern day listed above.
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Waitaminute, Deep. Are you saying that YES a fundamentalist Christian like the Blioviator certainly could plan and execute a murder with the full blessing of God, Jesus and all the saints?

I dunno about that, man. God is "in control" and all that, you know. One would think that a deeply religious person who is supposedly in direct contact with an omnipotent, benevolent superbeing would not be allowed to even conceive of such an act, much be allowed to act on it.

Therefore, this Wikipedia article you posted must be some sort of horrible hoax.

On the other hand, it is truly inconceivable that an atheist would premeditate the murder of a fellow human being (of fly a jet into a building) because his god tells him to do so.
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And, now that you have introduced it into the discussion -- yes, I would include abortion when used as a chosen form of birth control. Thank you for reminding me of this oversight.


Bill, the flat-earth book is pro-abortion.

Although "pro-lifers" deem abortion to be offensive to God, the prophet Hosea was comfortable asking God to induce abortions in the wives of his enemies. "Give them, O Lord: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb [an abortion] and dry breasts." Hosea 9:14. And from Hosea 9:16 we find, ". . .yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb."

"They will fall by the sword, their infants will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open," Hosea 13:16.

The big abortionist in the sky quite enjoyed watching babies ripped from their mother’s womb. What a guy!

“If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him: and he shall pay as the judges determine,” Exodus 21:22.

Notice that punishment is exclusively on behalf of the husband. In this case, violence has induced a miscarriage. This is not considered a violation of God's law unless the wife is injured. The concern is for the husband's property loss, and he may demand compensation. If the wife is hurt, then "an eye for an eye" justice goes into effect. Neither fetus nor wife has any worth other than the monetary value to the husband; but injury to the wife is considered more serious than the loss of the fetus.
Bill, your rambling is back up to its old Proposition 8 days of unhappy memory.

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But, the person I cannot understand, the person I mentally equate with the no-conscience hired assassin -- are the people who will not only deny God; but, will mock, defame, and actually curse God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible. Once again, this is an attitude, a belief, I cannot get my mind around.


What does this mean in English and not Billish? That to mock or deny God is the equivalent of premeditated murder? Really? Have you now added heresy hunting and professor of moral philosophy to your c.v.?

I enjoyed hearing about your near assault of manly purity of elderly trolls in the Colorado bus stations, myself, at least they were slightly entertaining and not so rambling with a complete religious autobiography attached.
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If you look through the bible at all the murders of innocent children in the name of God then the answer would be that God really doesn't care one way or the other on that.


You don't even have to look at the Bible. If you follow the fundamentalist line of reasoning, God aborts one in three pregnancies all on His own. This makes God the greatest abortionist of all time. Yet, somehow, doctors who perform abortions are EVIL and deserving of death by traumatic force. Ask a fundamentalist to address this issue, and all you ever get is silence.
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Originally posted by Cookey:

Waitaminute, Deep. Are you saying that YES a fundamentalist Christian like the Blioviator certainly could plan and execute a murder with the full blessing of God, Jesus and all the saints?



Saints? What are you, some kind of liberal, Christian-wannabe?
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Originally posted by Cookey:

Waitaminute, Deep. Are you saying that YES a fundamentalist Christian like the Blioviator certainly could plan and execute a murder with the full blessing of God, Jesus and all the saints?



Saints? What are you, some kind of liberal, Christian-wannabe?


thats our cooky, just another wannabe Razzer

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