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At public meetings, fights over prayer drag on.

semiannualchicksemiannualchickOld Faithful

There’s a scripture in 1 Corinthians  that says “To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?”

 

One town has already  spent approx. $500,000 defending the right to pray, & expects to spend more before it’s over. One resident said the issue is worth it because it has brought the town together?

Just think of the clothes, food, & medical care that money would provide for the homeless and/or the poor. Seems something like that would be what would bring the town together, & make them feel proud. Would that not be something to make God proud of His people (the real ones, not the fakes) instead of fighting & arguing over who's right/wrong, who wants it his/her way & throwing money away?

 

This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard of. This could be solved so easily if these people would use their brain. Those that want to pray before a meeting, plan to meet earlier than the designated time & have at it. It doesn’t have to be inside the buiding where the meeting will be held. Could they not meet at someone’s home or outside before the meeting to pray?

People make things so complicated, all in the name of religion.

 

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skippy delepepperskippy delepepperOld Faithful
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

There’s a scripture in 1 Corinthians  that says “To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?”

 

One town has already  spent approx. $500,000 defending the right to pray, & expects to spend more before it’s over. One resident said the issue is worth it because it has brought the town together?

Just think of the clothes, food, & medical care that money would provide for the homeless and/or the poor. Seems something like that would be what would bring the town together, & make them feel proud. Would that not be something to make God proud of His people (the real ones, not the fakes) instead of fighting & arguing over who's right/wrong, who wants it his/her way & throwing money away?

 

This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard of. This could be solved so easily if these people would use their brain. Those that want to pray before a meeting, plan to meet earlier than the designated time & have at it. It doesn’t have to be inside the buiding where the meeting will be held. Could they not meet at someone’s home or outside before the meeting to pray?

People make things so complicated, all in the name of religion.

 

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Hi Chick,

Hope you and all also had a Great Thanksgiving.

I have to agree with you that spending money to keep prayer in public meetings is wrong. In my opinion our Founding Fathers had something in the separation of church and state. That money the town is using to keep what they think is their right to pray in town functions is not their money. It is the taxpayer’s money (something government keeps forgetting). Coats for the homeless, food for the hungry and many other worthy causes should be considered before spending it on prayer. If they choose to pray they should pray in Church at home anywhere they want. Not at a Government function of any type. I remember when I lived in North Las Vegas, NV years ago. I went to a City Council meeting and they opened the meeting with a prayer. All of the city council and the Mayor at the time were LDS (Mormon). I didn’t like it then and I still think it’s wrong. It is impossible that a whole community is Christian, let alone of the same denomination.   

Somewhere in the Bible it mentions those who pray aloud in public to show how religious and good they are.

Skippy

thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

It's in Matthew, talking about hypocrites who love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the streets, so they will be seen. When I hear someone talking about what a wonderful Christian they are, how God talks to them, etc., I think of that scripture. I can't stand a braggert & I don't think God likes them to much either. 

 

hg> not to confuse the 'braggarts' of themselves with those who give testimony to all God has done for them. 'Bragging' on God is allowed, and there is a difference...


Isaiah 63:7

I shall make mention of the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, the praises of the Lord,
According to all that the Lord has granted us,
And the great goodness toward the house of Israel,
Which He has granted them according to His compassion
And according to the abundance of His lovingkindnesses.


Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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Road PuppyRoad PuppyOld Faithful
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

They pray before meetings, then go into those meetings fighting and calling each other names, and degrading each other in public when they don't agree. They pray before football or other sports games and then sit and whisper, "I wish they'd break that one's leg, neck, arm, whatever". 

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LOL!  *Cosmic 'Easy' Button*

 

seeweedseeweedOld Faithful

I wonder if these people would feel the same way about "prayer" at public functions, if the person leading the prayer was by chance a Muslim, and lead it as a Muslim prayer, or a Hare Krishna and led a chant.  

It would really be fun to see what the response would be if they called upon someone to start a cancel meeting, or for that matter a football game with a prayer and they started chanting  "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Lama, Hare Lama .........."

Listen to the background behind George Harrison on this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up0393w433k

 

My bet is if that were to happen , there would about put an end to all this uproar about public prayer.

semiannualchicksemiannualchickOld Faithful
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

It's in Matthew, talking about hypocrites who love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the streets, so they will be seen. When I hear someone talking about what a wonderful Christian they are, how God talks to them, etc., I think of that scripture. I can't stand a braggert & I don't think God likes them to much either.

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Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

hg> not to confuse the 'braggarts' of themselves with those who give testimony to all God has done for them. 'Bragging' on God is allowed, and there is a difference...

Isaiah 63:7: I shall make mention of the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, the praises of the Lord,

Revelation 12:11:  word of their testimony

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No, bragging is not allowed. According to the Bible it's not, & if you don't believe that your argument is not with me. Isaiah 63:7 didn’t say I shall brag, the word is mention. Revelation didn’t say by the word of their bragging, the word is testimony.

 

Do you know what bragging means? It’s an arrogant or boastful manner of speaking. The dictionary describes it as a "pompous or boastful statement, arrogant talk or manner, cockiness". I’ve run into many, many “Christians” that constantly use that arrogant talk & manner. Most people know a braggert as soon as they open their mouth.

 

If a true, Godly Christian feels the need to give their testimony, it will be how they came to know God, how they were saved, & what it means to them. That’s it, there’s no more  to be said. Christian testimony shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as a braggert.

 

I know some Christians, though very few, that doesn’t have to shout to the world that they’re a Christian. You see it in their actions, the way they treat others. It’s just there, you don’t have to look for it. There is some Christians on this forum that you just know are Christians. They don’t brag that they’re Christians, they don’t shout what they do for God, it’s just there, in the way they speak. Those kind of Christians are the ones that the lost or those with burdens want to talk to.

I would walk thru fire to get to a Christian like that if I felt the need.

 

Not to be nasty but “Christians” like you & Bill Gray (though Bill is not a Christian) are a dime a dozen, & can be found anywhere. You may truly be a Christian, I don’t know. I find it hard to believe you are because you're a cheerleader of Bill. You refuse to see what the rest of us so easily see. He is Satan’s tool & plays the part very well. With every post that Bill makes, he shows himself for what he really is. And there you are, encouraging him. Honestly, what does that tell the people on this forum about you?

thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by O No!:

When I speak of the things the Lord has done for me, it isn't in a bragging way, it is in a humble way because although He can do anything, the fact that He has done things for me, an undeserving sinner, makes me feel awed and humble.

 

hg> exactly.

i also was an undeserving sinner. i do believe that since we are continuously cleansed by Jesus' Blood, God sees us through spiritual eyes, and doesn't look at us as sinners any more. tho i can not wrap my mind around His goodness and Love for me, i humbly accept it. Thank you Jesus, for loving us more than we could ever imagine<3

Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
quote:   Originally Posted by seeweed:

I wonder if these people would feel the same way about "prayer" at public functions, if the person leading the prayer was by chance a Muslim, and lead it as a Muslim prayer, or a Hare Krishna and led a chant.   It would really be fun to see what the response would be if they called upon someone to start a cancel meeting, or for that matter a football game with a prayer and they started chanting  "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Lama, Hare Lama .........."

Hi Seeweed,

 

If we chose to live in a Muslim country, or a Hare Krishna country, or a Buddhist country, or a secular/atheist country -- then we should not complain about their choice of prayers.  However since we live in a Christian nation, founded by Christians, and founded as a Christian nation -- they can either accept our Christian prayers, stuff cotton in their ears -- or do as the secular/atheist have chosen to do -- spit and fume, huff and puff, demand their way -- while we Christians continue to pray for them.

 

America is Christian -- so we have Christian prayers.   I have never heard of an atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever -- dying from sitting quietly through a 15 to 30 second Christian prayer.   Although, who knows how many have been saved because of those prayers?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

It's in Matthew, talking about hypocrites who love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the streets, so they will be seen. When I hear someone talking about what a wonderful Christian they are, how God talks to them, etc., I think of that scripture. I can't stand a braggert & I don't think God likes them to much either.

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Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

hg> not to confuse the 'braggarts' of themselves with those who give testimony to all God has done for them. 'Bragging' on God is allowed, and there is a difference...

Isaiah 63:7: I shall make mention of the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, the praises of the Lord,

Revelation 12:11:  word of their testimony

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Chick> No, bragging is not allowed. According to the Bible it's not, & if you don't believe that your argument is not with me. Isaiah 63:7 didn’t say I shall brag, the word is mention. Revelation didn’t say by the word of their bragging, the word is testimony.

 

Do you know what bragging means? It’s an arrogant or boastful manner of speaking. The dictionary describes it as a "pompous or boastful statement, arrogant talk or manner, cockiness". I’ve run into many, many “Christians” that constantly use that arrogant talk & manner. Most people know a braggert as soon as they open their mouth.

 

If a true, Godly Christian feels the need to give their testimony, it will be how they came to know God, how they were saved, & what it means to them. That’s it, there’s no more  to be said. Christian testimony shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as a braggert.

 

I know some Christians, though very few, that doesn’t have to shout to the world that they’re a Christian. You see it in their actions, the way they treat others. It’s just there, you don’t have to look for it. There is some Christians on this forum that you just know are Christians. They don’t brag that they’re Christians, they don’t shout what they do for God, it’s just there, in the way they speak. Those kind of Christians are the ones that the lost or those with burdens want to talk to.

I would walk thru fire to get to a Christian like that if I felt the need.

 

Not to be nasty but “Christians” like you & Bill Gray (though Bill is not a Christian) are a dime a dozen, & can be found anywhere. You may truly be a Christian, I don’t know. I find it hard to believe you are because you're a cheerleader of Bill. You refuse to see what the rest of us so easily see. He is Satan’s tool & plays the part very well. With every post that Bill makes, he shows himself for what he really is. And there you are, encouraging him. Honestly, what does that tell the people on this forum about you?

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hg> let me say again (and again)...i don't speak for Mr Bill's personal comments here. He believes the same Bible as me, and worships the same God. we believe the same plan of salvation..so he is my brother in the Lord.....


and again i say, i don't live or die as to what people think of me...

Galatians 1:10
For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

 

sorry Chick, that i misused your word. i didn't get out the dictionary till now...

boast

*to brag on.

brag 

*a thing boasted of; a cause for pride.

testimony

*evidence in support of a fact or statement; proof...
*open declaration or profession, as of faith..

my testimony of what i have graciously received from God is my 'evidence', and the 'open declaration, professing' my faith in Him, being His child is my cause for 'pride'... i enclosed the word 'braggart' because you had used it in your comment. perhaps i should have said that i will forever 'mention' my testimony of praise, adoration, thankfulness, love, honor, etc to the God who Loves me enough to shed precious Holy Blood so that i could be saved and share eternal life with Him someday. He has done many miraculous things in my life, and i share them with any who will listen.
Blessings to you Chick, hg<><

**hg> though the dictionary has a positive definition listed, i do find where the Bible uses the word 'brag' in a negative light. therefore, i will watch my words more carefully, and not try to use 'brag' in a positive way again, even though most of us say we 'brag' on our children...**
1 Corinthians 13:4-8

4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 

5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 

6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 

7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails.

thx Chick, for your post, which caused me to search more diligently


 
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Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
quote:   Originally Posted by seeweed:

Bill,  Our country was NOT founded as a Christian nation or any other religious nation. Our Founders were smart enough to know to set our nation up as a SECULAR nation.  The last time religious idiots (tried to ) run some part of the world , we now call that period of time "THE DARK AGES. "  Think about it.

Hi Seeweed,

 

The Mayflower Compact (1620):

 

In the name of God, Amen.  We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.:   Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith, and the honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia;. . .

 

Declaration Of Independence (1776):

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, . . .

 

The Articles of Confederation (1781):

 

To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting. Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled did on the fifteenth day of November in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Seven. . .

 

In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the state of Pennsylvania the ninth Day of July in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy-eight, and in the third year of the Independence of America.

 

The Constitution, First Amendment (1791):

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;  (in other words, government cannot declare a state religion -- but, will not interfere with the Christian worship which brought us to these s****s)

 

The Emancipation Proclamation (1863):


And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.  In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

 

Done at the City of Washington, this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the eighty-seventh.   By the President: ABRAHAM LINCOLN

 

General Dwight D. Eisenhower - Order of the Day (June 6, 1944)  - D-DAY 1944:

 

You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you.  The hope and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. . .  Good luck!  And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.

 

So, Seeweed, no matter how long and loud the secularists, atheists, and other non-believers stand in the middle of the Interstate, declaring, "What truck!  I don't see a truck!" -- the 18-wheeler of God, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is coming fast and furious.   You can either hitch a ride on His Glory Train -- or you can continue denying and become spiritual road-kill, YOUR CHOICE!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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semiannualchicksemiannualchickOld Faithful
Originally Posted by O No!:

When I speak of the things the Lord has done for me, it isn't in a bragging way, it is in a humble way because although He can do anything, the fact that He has done things for me, an undeserving sinner, makes me feel awed and humble.

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No, I've never heard you brag about being a Christian or be so judgmental that you've told someone they're not saved & going to Hell. Don't know what I would do w/o you & vplee.

semiannualchicksemiannualchickOld Faithful
 
Originally Posted by O No!:

When I speak of the things the Lord has done for me, it isn't in a bragging way, it is in a humble way because although He can do anything, the fact that He has done things for me, an undeserving sinner, makes me feel awed and humble.

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Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.: 

 exactly.

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Be careful who you agree with or Bill will be saying you're not a Christian. O No is my friend & we've never made a secret of that. That man that you say believes the same Bible, worships the same God, believes the same plan of salvation as you, that you call your brother in the Lord, told O No that she was not a Christian if she associated herself with me & even chastised her for saying that she was my friend. How you can call someone like that a Christian is beyond me. 

Have you ever heard of Discerning of Spirits? You can discern or test whether or not a spirit is of God. Do you ever observe what a person does/says? In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus explains that false prophets are known by their fruit, by their conduct and actions. By listening to what a person says (I John 4:1-3). Does their confession line up with the truth of God's Word?

 

You act like you have never heard or read the way Bill treats/talks to people on this forum. Any of us can show you post of the terrible things Bill has said to most of us. But you’ve shown that you have no interest in knowing the truth. You had rather wear those blinders as you act without consistency & without thought. You are one of those that’s not interested in fixing errors in your thinking. You're satisfied with those that simply call themself a Christian. That, I think, is very sad.

thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

They pray before meetings, then go into those meetings fighting and calling each other names, and degrading each other in public when they don't agree. They pray before football or other sports games and then sit and whisper, "I wish they'd break that one's leg, neck, arm, whatever". 

 

hg> goodness, one might wonder where you go to worship God. my gathering is nothing like that...

and at ballgames, i'm not saying you can't, but i can hardly hear myself speak, much less hear a whisper over the game noise. 

hg<><

thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by O No!:

When I speak of the things the Lord has done for me, it isn't in a bragging way, it is in a humble way because although He can do anything, the fact that He has done things for me, an undeserving sinner, makes me feel awed and humble.

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Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.: 

 exactly.

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Be careful who you agree with or Bill will be saying you're not a Christian.

hg replies in blue> my Christianity does not hinge on Mr Bill's (or anyone elses) approval. God made me His own when i turned over my life to Him.


O No is my friend & we've never made a secret of that. That man that you say believes the same Bible check, worships the same God check, believes the same plan of salvation as you check, that you call your brother in the Lord check, told O No that she was not a Christian if she associated herself with me & even chastised her for saying that she was my friend. How you can call someone like that a Christian is beyond me.

hg> ANYone's personal dialogue with ANYone here is not for me to judge. that's between them and God. ANYone here who believes the same Bible as me, worships the same God, believes the same plan of salvation, and has been added by GOD to the family, IS my spiritual brother/sister in the Lord. GOD added to His family, not me. and if any are misbehaving, that is between the child and the Father/God.


Have you ever heard of Discerning of Spirits?

hg> yep. 

You can discern or test whether or not a spirit is of God. Do you ever observe what a person does/says?

hg> yep.

In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus explains that false prophets are known by their fruit, by their conduct and actions. By listening to what a person says (I John 4:1-3). Does their confession line up with the truth of God's Word?

hg> yep, discernment would be used here.

 

You act like you have never heard or read the way Bill treats/talks to people on this forum.

hg> yes, i have read Mr Bill's and many others' posts. i am well-aware of how many speak to others. i choose not to cast the first stone.

Any of us can show you post of the terrible things Bill has said to most of us. But you’ve shown that you have no interest in knowing the truth. You had rather wear those blinders as you act without consistency & without thought. You are one of those that’s not interested in fixing errors in your thinking.

hg> just because you don't 'see' me attack another forum poster, doesn't mean i don't notice what they say or speak to them privately. i don't have to drag anyone before the crowd to talk with them about posts that trouble me. you have no idea who i do/don't speak with about Christian issues. i do what my Father says to do, when He says to do it, and how He says to do it. i owe you (or anyone else) no further explanation. and i won't be answering this question again (or again, or again)... 

You're satisfied with those that simply call themself a Christian.

hg> i've never been 'satisfied' with anyone (including myself) simply calling themselves Christian. God knows who are His children. He doesn't rely on me to determine if they are in His family or not.

we all grow in Christ till we leave this world. anything less and we become stagnant. i think no true Christian wants to be 'satisfied' with where they are in Christ. but whenever God tells me to speak to anyone, public or privately, without hesitation i do exactly that. actually, that's why i'm in dialogue with you 

 
That, I think, is very sad.
hg> i agree, that would indeed be very sad, and those 'Christians' will answer to God for their lip-service only, just like the rest of us will if we profess to be what we aren't. 
i've enJOYed the day, but time to rest for tomorrow, when i will worship and praise my Father with the rest of His kids there. feel free to join some real Christians at a church near you. you will be welcomed and honored as their guest
i wish for you Heavenly dreams, hg<><
 
 
 
 
Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
quote:   Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
You act like you have never heard or read the way Bill treats/talks to people on this forum.  Any of us can show you post of the terrible things Bill has said to most of us.  But you’ve shown that you have no interest in knowing the truth.  You had rather wear those blinders as you act without consistency & without thought.  You are one of those that’s not interested in fixing errors in your thinking.  You're satisfied with those that simply call themself a Christian.  That, I think, is very sad.

Hi Chick,


I realize you will pretend to not see what I write.  So, I will write this for the sake of those who do read.

 

Chick, in that statement, you sound more like an embittered, angry person -- instead of a person who can indulge in a civil dialogue.   Refuting a cult or false teaching in not doing "terrible things" to anyone; it is merely sharing the truth of the Bible.  And, since this is a Religion Forum -- I would assume that Biblical Truth is allowed.

 

You keep claiming that I have said horrible, terrible, nasty things to you.   What I have told you, as have most other Christians on the Religion Forum -- is that YOU must choose between heaven and hell.  No one, except YOU can condemn you to hell.  Hell is a choice you MUST make on your own.

 

God loves you so much that He gave you the gift of "free will" that you might use that faculty to choose to love Him as much as He loves you.

 

If you choose to deny Christ, to deny God -- you have chosen to condemn yourself to eternal life away from the presence of God.   Am I being nasty or saying something terrible to you when I tell you, or anyone else, this truth?   No, I am merely sharing the truth found in God's Word.

 

I suppose you hate me because I have been very consistent over the years in what I write, always telling you that God loves you and wants to save you -- but, YOU have to choose to follow Him.  If that is why you hate me so; I am sorry, my Friend. 

 

When Jesus Christ told us to Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, Teach them, be His witnesses in all the world (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) -- He did not tell us to look the other way, or to be wishy-washy, afraid to make a non-believer uncomfortable -- and never tell the non-believer the truth about heaven and hell.   Christ does not want me to lie to you about heaven and hell.  So, I will not.

 

If I assure you that hell is not real, that you do not have to worry about your eternal life -- I would be lying to you -- and your eternal soul would be on my shoulders.  But, if I tell you the truth about heaven and hell -- that you risk eternal loss by refusing to accept the "free gift" of eternal life which Christ has purchased for you with His own blood -- and you continue to deny Him, that is on your shoulders and you are condemning yourself.

 

Chick, I realize that in your mind, this is "hate talk."   But, whether you want to believe it or not -- I am telling you this -- not out of hate, but out of love, out of Christian love.  Yet, if you want to call it "hate" -- okay, so be it.  That will be on you, not me, when you meet Jesus Christ face-to-face; which you most definitely will do one day.

 

I will be very honest with you.  Your depth of hate for me saddens me; not for myself -- but for you.  When a person hold that much hate inside -- the only person being hurt is the one holding the hate within.   I can walk away and forget your hatred of me.   But, you have to live with it inside you, like a cancer.

 

Please do yourself a big favor -- put away the hate, the anger.  If it will help, then please DO put me on Ignore and stop writing about me.   Virtually every post you write contains some level of "hate Bill Gray" in it.  That is not good for your own health, not your physical health, nor your emotional health, nor your spiritual health.  For you own sake -- please put it to rest.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
You act like you have never heard or read the way Bill treats/talks to people on this forum.  Any of us can show you post of the terrible things Bill has said to most of us.  But you’ve shown that you have no interest in knowing the truth.  You had rather wear those blinders as you act without consistency & without thought.  You are one of those that’s not interested in fixing errors in your thinking.  You're satisfied with those that simply call themself a Christian.  That, I think, is very sad.

Hi Chick,

 

Please do yourself a big favor -- put away the hate, the anger.  If it will help, then please DO put me on Ignore and stop writing about me.   Virtually every post you write contains some level of "hate Bill Gray" in it.  That is not good for your own health, not your physical health, nor your emotional health, nor your spiritual health.  For you own sake -- please put it to rest.

 

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Knock it off billie, what a pathetic hypocritical liar you are when everything

you say is nothing but lying twisted hate.

 

No one one on this forum lies and hates as much as you.

 

 

seeweedseeweedOld Faithful

Bill, Bill, Bill !!!!

You are trying to be a historic revisionist.

I'm not going to copy/past all of these, but it sounds like you really need some real history , so for your reading pleasure:

 

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

 

http://www.earlyamerica.com/re...ummer97/secular.html

 

http://www.ecis.com/~alizard/founding-fathers-xtianity.html

 

It goes on and on.

You even quoted a line from the Dec of Ind, but did you know that that line was originally written as "they are endowed by God with ...." ? Ben Franklin himself struck out the reference to God and inserted "their creator" .

 

The "thing" that most closely resembles what our Founders used for the bedrock of our country is Free Masonry. Most of the founders were Masons and used the freedom of  those secret meetings to foster a rebellion  against the king.

They wanted to build a country based NOT upon a religion but on the principals of enlightenment, the new best thing of the era and a big thing among Masons. Religious nuts have . been trying to drag this country back to the Dark Ages every since. Thankfully , so far, they have not been successful.

Goldwater was correct in his assessment :

Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful

Hi Seeweed,

 

Not sure how old you are; but, you chose the most Liberal man in the Republican party.   You see, back in the 1960s, both the Democrat party and the Republican party consisted of liberals, moderates, and conservatives -- so one did not have to change parties to vote any one of those three.   In the 1964 election, I voted for Goldwater because I could not stand Lyndon Johnson.   And, in 1964 I was far from being a Christian, conservative or otherwise.   So, at that time, anyone could have sold me a "pig in a poke."

 

However, since then, several things have changed:  (1) the two parties have aligned themselves -- the Democrats have become Liberal and Extreme Liberal.  And, the Republicans have become Conservative and Extreme Conservative.  I consider myself in the Conservative ranks.

 

And, (2) since then I have become a Christian believer and see the error of my past ways -- and the errors of the Liberal ways.  Now, I vote God's Way.

 

(3) Praise God, through study I have a better knowledge of God's Word, the Bible -- and a better knowledge of America, our founding, and our Christian faith.

 

I will give praise to Goldwater for helping the Conservative Republican side of America -- for it was in his 1964 campaign that Ronald Reagan got involved seriously in politics.  Reagan went on to be governor of California and one of our best Conservative Republican presidents.  Oh, how we need a Reagan today in the White House.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
Originally Posted by seeweed:

I am the one who votes "Gods way".  Aparantely there are a lot of us because we elected Obama again.

Hi Seeweed,

 

We will let God, or His Bible, answer you:

 

Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.  For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Hippiegirl, I have a question for you. Do you think the fact that O No calls me her friend means that she's not a Christian?

 

hg> no maam, not necessarily. if she is a Christian, she prays for you and tells/shows God's Love for you. her desire would be that you come to know Jesus so you can spend eternity in Heaven and not be lost  forever in torment. but if she is a Christian, she would not cross the boundary of non-Christian behavior, and indulge in any sin with you. (whatever that might be. i'm not saying that you live a wild life. i have no idea about that). there would be no compromise just because she is your friend...

i have many non-Christian friends. they know my beliefs and respect them. they don't ask me to compromise and join them in sinful activity. but some i've had to separate myself from, as they willfully commit sin. i do not participate in, or put myself in the company of sinful behavior, and won't allow anything to tarnish my testimony for Christ.

that's my personal belief, others may handle it differently.

thanks for asking Chick. hg<><

semiannualchicksemiannualchickOld Faithful
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
 

Knock it off billie, what a pathetic hypocritical liar you are when everything

you say is nothing but lying twisted hate. 

No one one on this forum lies and hates as much as you. 

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I can only imagine what he said to cause that response.

But actually, he can't help it, he's a tool of Satan. He does the job Satan gave him very well. That, along with his NPD, you have to pity him. 

semiannualchicksemiannualchickOld Faithful
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Hippiegirl, I have a question for you. Do you think the fact that O No calls me her friend means that she's not a Christian?

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Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.: 

 no maam, not necessarily. if she is a Christian, she prays for you and tells/shows God's Love for you. her desire would be that you come to know Jesus so you can spend eternity in Heaven and not be lost  forever in torment. but if she is a Christian, she would not cross the boundary of non-Christian behavior, and indulge in any sin with you. (whatever that might be. i'm not saying that you live a wild life. i have no idea about that). there would be no compromise just because she is your friend...

i have many non-Christian friends. they know my beliefs and respect them. they don't ask me to compromise and join them in sinful activity. but some i've had to separate myself from, as they willfully commit sin. i do not participate in, or put myself in the company of sinful behavior, and won't allow anything to tarnish my testimony for Christ.

that's my personal belief, others may handle it differently.

thanks for asking Chick.

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Yes, O No does pray for me, & so does vplee, & they do that because they are my friends.

 

If O No is a Christian, she would not cross the boundary of non-Christian behavior, and indulge in any sin with me??? Exactly what sins would that be? I don’t rob banks, I don’t kill people, I don’t drink/smoke, (I mentioned those because most Christians believe those to be sins) I don’t cheat on my husband, I don’t take the name of God in vain (if He exist). In fact, some might see my life as boring. Just because someone isn’t a Christian doesn’t make them bad people.  

 

I know people that call themselves a Christian, in church everytime the doors are open, give large sums of money to the church, etc. but their daily life is bad & anything but Christian. (They are evidently some of Bill’s OSAS Christians)

 

If I did try to get O No to indulge in sin with me, I wouldn’t be much of a friend, would I? What kind of friend would O No be if she refused to be around me because the nasty might rub off on her? (I assume you mean “indulge in sin” to be nasty)

 

If O No lived in Alabama & we went to lunch together, is she crossing the boundary of non-Christian behavior & committing a sin?  If vplee & I had lunch, is she committing a sin?

 

I have a friend that is the wife of a Pastor. When we have lunch or go shopping together, does that mean she’s not a Christian? Should the church throw her out for associating with me?

 

It’s a wonder a non-Christian person would even be allowed in church. After all, some of that persons sins &  non-Christian behavior  might rub off on the Christians & contaminate them. Heaven forbid!!

 

It really amazes me how some Christians interpret the Christian life to be & still have the nerve to refer to themselves as a Christian. God is probably shaking His head at their audacity.



thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Hippiegirl, I have a question for you. Do you think the fact that O No calls me her friend means that she's not a Christian?

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Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.: 

 no maam, not necessarily. if she is a Christian, she prays for you and tells/shows God's Love for you. her desire would be that you come to know Jesus so you can spend eternity in Heaven and not be lost  forever in torment. but if she is a Christian, she would not cross the boundary of non-Christian behavior, and indulge in any sin with you. (whatever that might be. i'm not saying that you live a wild life. i have no idea about that). there would be no compromise just because she is your friend...

i have many non-Christian friends. they know my beliefs and respect them. they don't ask me to compromise and join them in sinful activity. but some i've had to separate myself from, as they willfully commit sin. i do not participate in, or put myself in the company of sinful behavior, and won't allow anything to tarnish my testimony for Christ.

that's my personal belief, others may handle it differently.

thanks for asking Chick.

__________

Yes, O No does pray for me, & so does vplee, & they do that because they are my friends. 

hg> good friends are wonderful blessings. i'm glad to know that. i pray for you also.

 

If O No is a Christian, she would not cross the boundary of non-Christian behavior, and indulge in any sin with me??? Exactly what sins would that be?

hg> anything that is not in line with God's will. all sin is the same to God, He makes no distinction like man does. (ie. stealing a pencil or telling a lie, vs rape or murder.)

I don’t rob banks, I don’t kill people, I don’t drink/smoke, (I mentioned those because most Christians believe those to be sins) I don’t cheat on my husband, I don’t take the name of God in vain (if He exist).

hg> i certainly never accused you of anything. in fact i said "whatever (sin) that might be. i'm not saying that you live a wild life. i have no idea about that."

In fact, some might see my life as boring. Just because someone isn’t a Christian doesn’t make them bad people.

hg> that is absolutely correct. as i said, i have many non-believing friends. you asked me "Do you think the fact that O No calls me her friend means that she's not a Christian?". i don't think a Christian being friends with a non-Christian is wrong at all, unless the Christian compromises her beliefs and indulges in sin with the non-Christian. that isn't speaking specifically of your situation, i don't know you or her. i would hope that the non-Christian would become Christian through their friendship. but if the non-Christian lives a sinful lifestyle, the Christian shouldn't be involved in it. 

this isn't an attack on your morals Chick. it's my belief in general. you asked about you and O No specifically. i have little knowledge of either of you. i am truly glad ya'll are friends.


speaking personally for myself, i'm uncomfortable around drinking, cursing, or suggestive sexual talk. so i don't hang around people who do that. (i'm not saying people shouldn't drink, that's not up to me. but i have seen the result of how heavy drinking can destroy families, and  it's my choice not to be in the middle of it.)  

 

I know people that call themselves a Christian, in church everytime the doors are open, give large sums of money to the church, etc. but their daily life is bad & anything but Christian.

hg> that is sad but true.

(They are evidently some of Bill’s OSAS Christians)

 

If I did try to get O No to indulge in sin with me, I wouldn’t be much of a friend, would I?

hg> i wouldn't think so. but in general, it does happen.

What kind of friend would O No be if she refused to be around me because the nasty might rub off on her? (I assume you mean “indulge in sin” to be nasty)

hg> not much of a friend or a Christian. i'm not sure what you mean by 'nasty rubbing off'. 

 

If O No lived in Alabama & we went to lunch together, is she crossing the boundary of non-Christian behavior & committing a sin?

hg> not at all to me, what would be sinful about having lunch with a friend? i do it all the time.  

If vplee & I had lunch, is she committing a sin?

hg> i'd think not at all.

 

I have a friend that is the wife of a Pastor. When we have lunch or go shopping together, does that mean she’s not a Christian? Should the church throw her out for associating with me?

hg> i would question any church that did such.

 

It’s a wonder a non-Christian person would even be allowed in church. After all, some of that persons sins &  non-Christian behavior  might rub off on the Christians & contaminate them. Heaven forbid!!

hg> i never implied that all non-Christians are somehow tainted or steeped in sin, just because they aren't Christians. most of the ones i know are genuinely nice. often i don't even know they aren't Christian till we talk about God and they share that info with me. but as you surely know too, some are about as unGodly as it gets.

my point is that friends influence each other. my hope would be that Christians influence for good.

 

It really amazes me how some Christians interpret the Christian life to be & still have the nerve to refer to themselves as a Christian. God is probably shaking His head at their audacity.



seeweedseeweedOld Faithful
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Kinda reminds me of the churches that sends it's members to other countries to preach/teach about God, hand out bibles & build churches. Whe they leave, those people are still needing food, clothes, & health care.

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One of my favorite bands did a song about just such a thing back in 1971.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1TA3Xts4G8


You've filled this house with things of gold
While handing crumbs to the old and poor
And then you preach about being pure
And wonder why we're laughing
In your old way you're trying to find us
But we can't follow what's behind us
Too much blind faith, it will blind us
Though sometimes it's a blessing

But I remember when I still embraced you
A lttle prayer would ease my mind
'Til I saw that you hide from the misery outside so I left you behind
But all the other teachings
That I've tried were 'bout the same
One grain of truth mixed with confusion caused by man
But since you're around anyway
May as well get you back on your feet again
Get right back up on your feet
Don't ya know we need somebody to 
Do some work down in the street
You might just touch somebody
Start to think about today
Throw your robe and staff away
And break away from yesteray
Ah, tell me can we reach you
I don't know, still we got to go
From here to there eventually

While others die up against the wall
You take the time to tell us all
'Bout how we're not supposed to ball
You really are a riot
It's got nothin' to do with heaven or hell
What I do in bed, I'm not gonna tell
What I'm talking about you know **** well
You really ought to try it



thehippiegirl is gone.thehippiegirl is gone.Post Master
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Kinda reminds me of the churches that sends it's members to other countries to preach/teach about God, hand out bibles & build churches. Whe they leave, those people are still needing food, clothes, & health care.

 

hg> the missions i support not only preach and teach about God. they also help build houses, give medical care, teach the villagers how to fish, care for and resource their animals (also sent there by missions), make/sell their wares in the market place, plant seeds, and cultivate their land. they are left (and followed up) with the know-how and tools needed to sustain their lives and prosper. 

**if any are interested in helping send animals to poor countries, check out  worldvisiongifts.org**

Chick, thx for the opportunity to address this issue. Blessings to you, hg<><

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