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Seems more & more every day, we hear of people becoming Atheist, & if not Atheist, leaving the church & becoming unbelievers. You don’t have to be an Atheist to be an unbeliever. A person can still believe in God, but not believe in Christianity and/or follow the Bible anymore.

 

A friend & I were discussing some people yesterday that we know that warms a church bench. The reason I use that term is because one of them had two affairs with married men. The first time she had an affair with a married man while she was still married. The entire time these affairs were going on she was attending church, proclaiming to be a Christian, how God was blessing her life, blah, blah, blah. The second man even attended church with her while the affair was going on & he was still married. He left the church he attended with his wife to attend the one with his mistress. They made no secret of the affair, & her church had no problem with their attendance.

 

Another person we were discussing was a Pastor of a local church that just didn’t show up one Sunday. He left his wife & moved to Birmingham with a woman he had been seeing for over a year.

 

Is it any wonder people are leaving their churches & becoming unbelievers? All these things we see, the things we read in the paper of things going on in churches. Is it any wonder they are becoming Atheist?

Look at the forum troll. He screams his Christianity, brags about how he can’t become unsaved, & all the time sits in his seat of judgment of us all. He knows nothing of love/compassion, when the Bible pushes those two very things. What we see/hear doesn’t depict a Christian at all. But there’s people like him in churches everywhere. There’s other members of this forum that make no secret of the fact they attend church, but the way they talk on this forum doesn’t speak of the life of a Christian. At least not the Christian the Bible speaks of.

I understand very well why people are leaving their Christian life. It’s easy to become discouraged when all we see/hear is lies & negativity within the churches & from people we know personally.

 

I know people/have family that attend the church where the assistant Pastor was a pedophile. It’s as though it was no big deal. Just get rid of him, forget about it, & continue on. The Pastor knew what was going on for 2 weeks before doing anything. Maybe he wanted the pedophile to get two more pay checks?

 

There’s a story of Jesus cleansing the Temple in John 2:13-16. He was offended that the Priests & Rabbis had insulted God’s House. If He exist, I wonder why He’s not cleaning house of these churches that need cleaning? No wonder people are getting discouraged, leaving, & becoming unbelievers. It becomes hard to believe in something that doesn’t do what He claims in his book, that He can do. Take prayer for instance. When’s the last time you saw Jesus raise a person from the dead?

 

Sorry to go on & on. People seem to frown upon anyone that’s an Atheist, or leaves his/her church. But I just think in this day & time, it’s easy to lean that way. Why would anyone want to be part of something (church/Christianity) that seems to have more evil in it than goodness?

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quote:  Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Seems more & more every day, we hear of people becoming Atheist, & if not Atheist, leaving the church & becoming unbelievers. You don’t have to be an Atheist to be an unbeliever. A person can still believe in God, but not believe in Christianity and/or follow the Bible anymore.

Chick, my Friend,

 

I agree with you 100% -- but, I would eliminate one word:

 

Seems more & more every day, we hear of people becoming Atheist, & if not Atheist, leaving the church & becoming unbelievers.  You don’t have to be an Atheist to be an unbeliever.  A person can still believe in God, but not believe in Christianity and/or follow the Bible. anymore.

 

I cannot recall a time in my life that I did not believe in God and the Bible.  But, I did not become a Christian believer until I was fifty years old.   I believed in God and the Bible -- but, I just chose to not follow them.

 

Then, at age fifty, I learned enough about both to know that I needed, must, and wanted to follow God and live by His Bible.

 

God bless, have a wonderful blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Seems more & more every day, we hear of people becoming Atheist, & if not Atheist, leaving the church & becoming unbelievers. You don’t have to be an Atheist to be an unbeliever. A person can still believe in God, but not believe in Christianity and/or follow the Bible anymore.

 

A friend & I were discussing some people yesterday that we know that warms a church bench. The reason I use that term is because one of them had two affairs with married men. The first time she had an affair with a married man while she was still married. The entire time these affairs were going on she was attending church, proclaiming to be a Christian, how God was blessing her life, blah, blah, blah. The second man even attended church with her while the affair was going on & he was still married. He left the church he attended with his wife to attend the one with his mistress. They made no secret of the affair, & her church had no problem with their attendance.

 

Another person we were discussing was a Pastor of a local church that just didn’t show up one Sunday. He left his wife & moved to Birmingham with a woman he had been seeing for over a year.

 

Is it any wonder people are leaving their churches & becoming unbelievers? All these things we see, the things we read in the paper of things going on in churches. Is it any wonder they are becoming Atheist?

Look at the forum troll. He screams his Christianity, brags about how he can’t become unsaved, & all the time sits in his seat of judgment of us all. He knows nothing of love/compassion, when the Bible pushes those two very things. What we see/hear doesn’t depict a Christian at all. But there’s people like him in churches everywhere. There’s other members of this forum that make no secret of the fact they attend church, but the way they talk on this forum doesn’t speak of the life of a Christian. At least not the Christian the Bible speaks of.

I understand very well why people are leaving their Christian life. It’s easy to become discouraged when all we see/hear is lies & negativity within the churches & from people we know personally.

 

I know people/have family that attend the church where the assistant Pastor was a pedophile. It’s as though it was no big deal. Just get rid of him, forget about it, & continue on. The Pastor knew what was going on for 2 weeks before doing anything. Maybe he wanted the pedophile to get two more pay checks?

 

There’s a story of Jesus cleansing the Temple in John 2:13-16. He was offended that the Priests & Rabbis had insulted God’s House. If He exist, I wonder why He’s not cleaning house of these churches that need cleaning? No wonder people are getting discouraged, leaving, & becoming unbelievers. It becomes hard to believe in something that doesn’t do what He claims in his book, that He can do. Take prayer for instance. When’s the last time you saw Jesus raise a person from the dead?

 

Sorry to go on & on. People seem to frown upon anyone that’s an Atheist, or leaves his/her church. But I just think in this day & time, it’s easy to lean that way. Why would anyone want to be part of something (church/Christianity) that seems to have more evil in it than goodness?

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All sorts of goings on. One of my favorites is the one I post about often, the coc preacher that left his wife and kids and ran off with a church member. He came back and they gave him back his church. He died happily in the coc. I wonder how the woman fared. I'd bet the men turned up their noses and the women turned their backs and cackled about her like old hens. The pedophile, ah yes, one of the members saw him with a child on his lap, knew something wasn't right about it, but didn't remove the child and didn't say a word for weeks. They needed time to cover their a****. Never mind that he was preying on children during that time. If that was my child I would be beyond enraged and the one that saw him with my child, the church, the preacher, would all be sued to h*** and back, after I had knocked out her teeth. Another coc couple, openly ran around together and even 'did it' in his house while his wife was laying upstairs dying of cancer, then married after her death.

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Well, folks,

 

There you have it!  You have been given the view of the Christian faith as understood by an Agnostic, an Atheist, and a Christian believer.

 

You can choose which one suits you and which you will follow.   However, let me warn you.  The eternal consequences of that decision are mind boggling.

 

With the Christian believer -- you can have eternal life in the presence of God, eternally joyful and happy.

 

With the agnostic and atheist -- well, that eternal existence is not so pretty.  I will leave it at that.

 

And, the sad part of this is that my agnostic and atheist Friends will not see this post -- for they have jammed their fingers in their ears declaring, "I won't hear you!  I won't hear you!"

 

Okay, not a problem for me.  But, God willing many others will hear and heed what I have written.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Here's a fact some people find it hard to believe........Thousands of Christian

people are dropping the Bible, dropping out their church for various reasons.

They still consider themselves Christian.

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Are those the ones who say they are spiritual but not religious?

quote:  Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Here's a fact some people find it hard to believe........Thousands of Christian people are dropping the Bible, dropping out their church for various reasonsThey still consider themselves Christian.

Vic, my Friend,

 

For the first fifty years of my life I believed in God and the Bible -- but, I was not a Christian believer.  Yet, if anyone asked me, my immediate answer was, "Of course I am a Christian!  I believe in God!  I believe the Bible is God's Word!  And, on top of all that I was born and raised in Alabama -- the belt buckle of the Bible Belt.   How could I not be a Christian?"

 

But, I was NOT a Christian believer.   I did not become a Christian until I was fifty years old.  

 

Yet, like you and many others -- I believed that where I lived and the fact that as a youth in Alabama I attended the Nazarene, Baptist, and Methodist churches made me a Christian.  And, in subsequent years I attended the Roman Catholic church, the Episcopalian church, the Lutheran church -- matter of fact, there are few Christian churches I did not attend in those younger years.

 

Was I a Christian then?   NO Way!   I was very much in the secular world.

 

So, all these folks you suggest are dropping the Bible and dropping out of church -- never were really IN the church, the body of Christ, to be able to drop out.

 

It would appear that they are very much like you and the Roman Catholic church -- for, in every post, you seem to be drawing further and further away from the church you claim.   So, do you consider yourself to be a Roman Catholic now?  

 

Are you Roman Catholic by family association, by birth, or by some other religious mechanism? Or are you a true Christian believer?

 

It would be interesting to know where you would place yourself in your spiritual walk right now.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Here's a fact some people find it hard to believe........Thousands of Christian people are dropping the Bible, dropping out their church for various reasons. They still consider themselves Christian.

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They may consider themselves a Christian but if they believe what the Bible says (IF true) & what it says a Christian is supposed to be, then they definitely are not.

What's sad is Bill Gray & the others just like him. They shout their Christianity to the roof tops but are not & it's so easily seen with every post they make.

 

I am a Christian. There will always be those who condemn Christians. God gave man free will. You and I both have it. There are always going to be atheists and hypocrites. Like my great grandfather said " I had rather go to church with a hypocrite than to hell with them". There are those on this forum who are going to have a field day with me again. I'm not staying because I'm not an atheist and if you don't believe in Christianity then my suggestion is don't reply. Go to the atheist forum. No forcing you to read here.

Everyone is human. Everyone makes mistakes. There are bad and good people in every walk of life, in every socio and economic layer, in every race.

Because the bad actions of some grab the headlines and our attention, because what they do offends our morals and sensibilities, because their actions seem so out of the norm, it sticks in our minds. I know people are leaving churches and religions but there are still many who go to church and are good people. I know many good people. I prefer to believe there are more good people than bad.

 

I read that 3% of the population are pedophiles. That means 3% of priests and ministers, 3% of policemen, lawyers, judges, politicians, hairdressers, chefs, soldiers, teachers, bums...........

So 97% of people are not pedophiles.

I try to look at the positive side.

 

So there are bad Christians. That's between them and god.

 

Hi CountryGal,

 

Nice to see you on the Religion Forum again.  I pray you will come back more often.  Instead of letting the naysayers bother you -- just take their rants and use them as platforms to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with those who are interested.

 

Peede, I agree with you -- there are good and bad in all segments of our society, including our Christian community.  Just because a person is a saved Christian believer -- does not make him/her a nice person.  It should -- but, unfortunately it does not.  Over the past 27 years I have met some real jerks who were Christian - but, not always nice.

 

True, a person who is a believer should be walking the Christian walk.  But, there are those who become believers -- but, do not grow in Christian maturity.  They are just as saved as any other Christian -- but will answer to Jesus Christ one day, as will all of us.

 

But, to be fair -- I will say that the vast majority of Christian believers do not fall into that category of being jerks.  Maybe your 3% is accurate.   Overall, I find Christians a pleasure to be around.  

 

And, also to be fair -- I have met non-believers who are really nice folks and a pleasure to be around.  They are very nice folks -- but, unless they change direction and turn from the world and turn to Christ -- they are still eternally lost.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by CountryGal:
I am a Christian. There will always be those who condemn Christians. God gave man free will. You and I both have it. There are always going to be atheists and hypocrites. Like my great grandfather said " I had rather go to church with a hypocrite than to hell with them". There are those on this forum who are going to have a field day with me again. I'm not staying because I'm not an atheist and if you don't believe in Christianity then my suggestion is don't reply. Go to the atheist forum. No forcing you to read here.
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First of all, this is a public forum and not for christians only. It is called religion, meaning religion is the subject discussed here, by anyone who chooses to do so. The first description of the forum made that very clear. Maybe they should bring that back for people like you who think you own the 'place'. Secondly, why don't you go to an atheist forum, if you don't already, but I bet you do, and you will see how many pretend, and some real christians post there. Some are very nice, some are like you.

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Seems more & more every day, we hear of people becoming Atheist, & if not Atheist, leaving the church & becoming unbelievers. the dead?

 

 But I just think in this day & time, it’s easy to lean that way. Why would anyone want to be part of something (church/Christianity) that seems to have more evil in it than goodness?

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That's what happens when people chuck silly superstitions in favor of logic and reason.

 There's no need to be fearful when you understand how stuff works.

 

There's no need for coercion (made-up 'heaven')or threats (made-up 'hell') when you do what's right just because it's the right thing to do. 

 

  

  

Don't you love that free will argument?

"I give you a million dollars, it's yours no strings attached, to spend however you want. That is unless you spend it in ways other than I want you to spend it, then I'll toss you in a lake of fire. It doesn't matter if you spend it doing good, you're still gone if it's not how I say. Oh, but you have free will and I love you, and you can spend the money however you want, and while you're trying to figure that out, adore me, or I'll toss you in the fire. Teach your little kids all about me too, and even though I might scare the heck out of them, tell them to love me cause I love them and if they don't love me, I'm tossing them into the fire. But I love them."

Originally Posted by CountryGal:
I am a Christian.  if you don't believe in Christianity then my suggestion is don't reply. Go to the atheist forum. No forcing you to read here.

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Your post have never depicted a Christian. And what are you doing in this topic? If you don't believe in Atheism, then my suggestion is don't reply. No one is forcing you to read here. Go find yourself a Christian forum....where all the hypocrites are, one where nasty ole sinners & Atheist are not allowed.

My mom thinks you must have religion to teach kids right from wrong. We didn't raise our son in any religion. He learned by example and is a good person.

 

When he was in grade school he wanted to go to vacation bible school with his friends. No problem, how could bible school hurt anyone? He went from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Then he started talking about how he was going to hell, that he was a bad person. He was a great kid----it broke my heart that a supposedly good thing [I thought] would do that to him.

As a teenager he studied various religious beliefs but doesn't belong to any church and if he has any kids I think they will be raised to be good people.

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Then he started talking about how he was going to hell, that he was a bad person. He was a great kid----it broke my heart that a supposedly good thing [I thought] would do that to him.

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That's what's sad. Religion teaches kids to obey out of fear. The "you don't do what I tell you, I'll throw you in a lake of fire" theory,........but He loves you!

quote:  Originally Posted by peede coober:

My mom thinks you must have religion to teach kids right from wrong.  We didn't raise our son in any religion.  He learned by example and is a good person.

 

When he was in grade school he wanted to go to vacation bible school with his friends.  No problem, how could bible school hurt anyone?  He went from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Then he started talking about how he was going to hell, that he was a bad person.  He was a great kid----it broke my heart that a supposedly good thing [I thought] would do that to him.

 

As a teenager he studied various religious beliefs but doesn't belong to any church and if he has any kids I think they will be raised to be good people.

Hi Peede,

 

It is always a good idea to be sure of any camp or even Bible study our children attend.  About ten years ago, one our the teen girls in our church invited her school classmate to attend our Bible study.  Since it was her first time to attend one of our Bible studies -- her dad came her.  That really impressed me.

Turns out he was from a strict TULIP Calvinist fellowship and he, my pastor, and I had a short, very interesting exchange when we were sharing about salvation and "free will."  But, regardless of our disagreement in that area -- we were still very impressed that he would not allow his daughter attend our Bible study without knowing what we were teaching.

 

You mention about your son's experience at the grade school age.  I had a similar experience which really affected me when I was about 11 or 12 years old.  My mom and dad were going to attend a Revival Meeting at the a local Sheffield church.  Because mom really wanted me to accompany her, I did.

 

During that meeting, the over zealous traveling revival preacher told everyone to stand.  Then, he told us, "If you are saved, sit down."   Of course I was not saved at that time, so I remained standing.

 

Then, he said, "Just keep standing until you come to the altar and receive Jesus." 

 

As a 12 year old boy, I did not know what to do - so I stood there.  If I had been an adult at that time, I would have given that man a one finger wave and walked out.  But, as a kid, I could not walk out -- and I could not sit down for that would have been dishonest.

 

Finally, I went forward, not knowing what else to do -- and the group prayed and yelled over me.  I will admit that the fervor of the moment got to me -- and I really thought I was saved.   But, later, at home I realized that I was not saved -- just caught up in the emotion of the moment.

 

That incident so affected my feeling of self-worth that for most of my life I ran from God and the church.  Yes, I attended many churches, for, as the Bible teaches -- we have an innate need for God.  But, because of the incident with the "number gathering" revival preacher -- I never allowed myself to get too close to God.

 

Praise God, when I was fifty years old -- I met a truly Godly pastor who taught me about the real God and through him and their church fellowship's Bible studies -- six months later I truly became a Christian believer.

 

So, I do understand what you are saying about your son.  But, still we cannot allow the few bad apples in any community, Christian or otherwise, to drive us away from God.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Seems more & more every day, we hear of people becoming Atheist, & if not Atheist, leaving the church & becoming unbelievers.

 

Fact is, more and more people are breaking the brainwashing that goes on in churches.  It starts at as early an age as possible and continues throughout a persons life unless the brainwashing is broken.  People are reading the bible for themselves and asking questions about the contradiction found in it.  When the answers they receive fail to resolve the contradictions, they form their own analysis and realize what is going on.  They also see the unchristian acts being done by the "good christians" in the churches and ask, "how can this be?"  Its because christianity really has nothing to do with individual morality.  Empathy is the driver behind personal morality.  This is evident in the way Southern "christians" used the bible to justify slavery in America, and Christians, Jews, Deists and Atheists, utilizing their love for their fellow human being and empathizing with the plight of the slaves, worked to end slavery in America.  Being a christian doesn't make a person good - being a decent, empathyzing human being makes a person good.

 

 

 

quote:   Originally Posted by OldSalt:

Being a christian doesn't make a person good - being a decent, empathizing human being makes a person good.

Salt, my Friend,  

 

For once you and I are in full agreement.  Being a Christian believer does not make one a good person. It should.  But, then, not all who become Christian believers follow through and become "mature" Christian believers.   Many just get their ticket to glory stamped -- and then sit on their butts and become "couch potato" Christians.  

 

Or they become Liberal or Legalistic Christian believers. They are saved, but I would not want to be in their shoes when they have to stand before Jesus Christ and explain why they chose to ignore His Great Commission.

 

On the other hand - being a decent, empathetic human being will NOT get one into heaven. Now, if that decent, empathetic human being is also a Christian believer -- wow!  That is the absolute best.

 

I have known many Christian believers who are jerks.   And, I will have to say that I have known many non-believers, even atheists, who are decent, empathetic human beings -- folks that I like a lot. That and two dollars will get them a cup of coffee.  BUT, it will not get them into heaven.  

 

In the end, after they stand before Jesus Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment -- they will just be decent, empathetic folks spending eternity in hell. Sorry, but that is just the way the plan works.

 

Have the Son, have life!   Do not have the Son, do not have life!    Regardless of how nice you might be in this mortal life.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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This is evident in the way Southern, and Northern  "christians" used the bible to justify slavery in America,

 

 Fixed that for you. So many times the facts about slavery in the north, northern slave owners and northerners that 'rented' slaves from Southern owners when it was illegal to own slaves in the north, gets lost. I wonder why that is? Even the country's history that makes some uncomfortable is still our history.

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Crusty, my Friend,

 

Will you please show us the Scripture verses/passages which tell us that a non-believer can go to heaven and spend eternity in the presence of God.

 

That would be very helpful.   Thank you for your cooperation.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

 

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Can you show us in the Bible where Christians are jerks?  Will you show us in the Bible where "couch potato Christians" are really Christian?  Will you then explain to me how people who have no opportunity to know of Jesus are excluded from heaven?  Will you then explain how someone who claims to be a Christian but doesn't walk the walk makes it into heaven?  And then explain your reasoning why God would reward those people over people who are actually Christ-like. 

 

That would be very helpful.  Thank you for your cooperation.

 

Have another blissed day, Bill DHL™.

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Crusty, my Friend,

 

Typical of your "avoidance" technique and lack of Biblical knowledge -- you answer a question with a question BECAUSE you do not have the knowledge to directly answer the question.

 

But, that childish maneuver aside, the answer to all your avoidance questions is simple:  

 

No one can WORK their way into heaven.

 

Could it be possible that the reason you are still a non-believer is that you DO NOT know how to become a Christian believer?  Interesting.  Let me help you.  This is rather simplified, but that may make it easier for YOU to grasp:

 

John 3:5, "Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.' "

 

The Spirit is, of course, the Holy Spirit.  And, the "water" is the Living Water of God, i.e., God's Word, the Bible.  Also see John 4:14 regarding Living Water.

 

Ephesians 1:13, "In Him, you also, after listening to (hearing)the message of truth, the Gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,"

 

Hear and receive the Word of God, put your faith in Jesus Christ -- and you are sealed in Him and given eternal life.  Also see 1 John 5:12.

 

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

 

Saved, i.e., given eternal life in Christ -- by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior -- ALONE.   Not by works, any works -- but faith alone.

 

So, yes, the "couch potato" Christian, even the jerk Christian -- along with we Christians who do our best to obey His Great Commission -- ARE all saved and will spend eternity in the presence of God.

 

Any person with a lick of common sense and even the intelligence of a cave man -- SHOULD want that eternal security in Christ.   Would YOU care to upgrade your situation and have that assurance?

 

It is easy.  Just study those verses above and give your life to Him.

 

Okay, now it is time for your new AVOIDANCE questions.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Okay, so you can't explain why or how - you just fall back on your misinterpretation of the Bible and say "because that is how I want it to be". 

 

God is a funny guy in your book, huh, Bill DHL™?    Since OSAS is the only way you could possibly get into heaven, I see why you take any convoluted path necessary to get there, while ignoring the parts of the Bible that don't fit your insanity (such as James 2:14-26 - even a cave man can understand this).  I guess he still hates amputees, too.

 

You then follow that with your typical street-corner preaching.  I have to say,  from a fundamentalist whack-job point of view - well played, Bill DHL™, well played. 

 

 

 

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My atheism has zero to do with what church goers are doing in their private lives. I seriously doubt that there are very many people who are atheist because of the "sins" of Christians. Most every atheist I know were either never brainwashed by their parents into a religion, or they (as Oldsalt said) were not satisfied with answers given to them in church and went in search of the truth. If you ever allow yourself to question the dogma in a very deep and serious way, it becomes very hard to keep the "faith".

 

I am less concerned with Christians being unfaithful to their spouses while claiming their Christians, and more concerned with this kind of thing...

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

My atheism has zero to do with what church goers are doing in their private lives. I seriously doubt that there are very many people who are atheist because of the "sins" of Christians. 

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I wasn't talking about just adultery within the church. I do know people that have become unbelievers or Atheist because of what is taught in church or the home. I mentioned adultery because that's what a friend & I were discussing a few days ago.

Yes, seriously, there's many people that have become unbelievers or an Atheist because of the sins of Christians. I have discussed it with them personally. You watch/hear what these "bench warming Christians" are doing in church or out & people begin to get discouraged & thinking if that's what church is about, then what are they doing there.

You hear the fear & ****ation taught in the church & it can make you want to run as far away from it as you can go. Not saying my opinion is written in stone, just my opinion & how I see it.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Seems more & more every day, we hear of people becoming Atheist, & if not Atheist, leaving the church & becoming unbelievers. You don’t have to be an Atheist to be an unbeliever. A person can still believe in God, but not believe in Christianity and/or follow the Bible anymore.

 

A friend & I were discussing some people yesterday that we know that warms a church bench. The reason I use that term is because one of them had two affairs with married men. The first time she had an affair with a married man while she was still married. The entire time these affairs were going on she was attending church, proclaiming to be a Christian, how God was blessing her life, blah, blah, blah. The second man even attended church with her while the affair was going on & he was still married. He left the church he attended with his wife to attend the one with his mistress. They made no secret of the affair, & her church had no problem with their attendance.

 

Another person we were discussing was a Pastor of a local church that just didn’t show up one Sunday. He left his wife & moved to Birmingham with a woman he had been seeing for over a year.

 

Is it any wonder people are leaving their churches & becoming unbelievers? All these things we see, the things we read in the paper of things going on in churches. Is it any wonder they are becoming Atheist?

Look at the forum troll. He screams his Christianity, brags about how he can’t become unsaved, & all the time sits in his seat of judgment of us all. He knows nothing of love/compassion, when the Bible pushes those two very things. What we see/hear doesn’t depict a Christian at all. But there’s people like him in churches everywhere. There’s other members of this forum that make no secret of the fact they attend church, but the way they talk on this forum doesn’t speak of the life of a Christian. At least not the Christian the Bible speaks of.

I understand very well why people are leaving their Christian life. It’s easy to become discouraged when all we see/hear is lies & negativity within the churches & from people we know personally.

 

I know people/have family that attend the church where the assistant Pastor was a pedophile. It’s as though it was no big deal. Just get rid of him, forget about it, & continue on. The Pastor knew what was going on for 2 weeks before doing anything. Maybe he wanted the pedophile to get two more pay checks?

 

There’s a story of Jesus cleansing the Temple in John 2:13-16. He was offended that the Priests & Rabbis had insulted God’s House. If He exist, I wonder why He’s not cleaning house of these churches that need cleaning? No wonder people are getting discouraged, leaving, & becoming unbelievers. It becomes hard to believe in something that doesn’t do what He claims in his book, that He can do. Take prayer for instance. When’s the last time you saw Jesus raise a person from the dead?

 

Sorry to go on & on. People seem to frown upon anyone that’s an Atheist, or leaves his/her church. But I just think in this day & time, it’s easy to lean that way. Why would anyone want to be part of something (church/Christianity) that seems to have more evil in it than goodness?

Another made-up lie. She's worse than her book-ed bill about suddenly out of nowhere just telling a long lie about any subject. She lies about having a hubby. I'll bet she roosts on a limb at nite with buzzards.

Quail, my Friend,

 

Since both your writing styles are so similar -- it is near impossible to tell where Chick's words end and yours start.   Since you tell us that you are a superior science type fellow -- I would have thought that somewhere in all that science education -- you would have learned to write with more clarity.

 

Or, is it that you do NOT want to write with clarity -- because your thinking has no clarity.

 

I recall talking with the therapist of a long-ago friend about her habit of having everything around her in a clutter.  His explanation:  Because her mind is so cluttered and confused, she naturally is attempting to make her exterior world also cluttered.

 

At times I  have wondered if that is not what you are doing.   Just a thought!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Quail, my Friend,

 

Since both your writing styles are so similar -- it is near impossible to tell where Chick's words end and yours start.   Since you tell us that you are a superior science type fellow -- I would have thought that somewhere in all that science education -- you would have learned to write with more clarity.

 

Or, is it that you do NOT want to write with clarity -- because your thinking has no clarity.

 

I recall talking with the therapist of a long-ago friend about her habit of having everything around her in a clutter.  His explanation:  Because her mind is so cluttered and confused, she naturally is attempting to make her exterior world also cluttered.

 

At times I  have wondered if that is not what you are doing.   Just a thought!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill 





“I recall talking with the therapist of a long-ago friend about her habit of having everything around her in a clutter.  His explanation:  Because her mind is so cluttered and confused, she naturally is attempting to make her exterior world also cluttered.”

 

Interpretation:

Bill, the “therapist” was yours. The “long-ago her” was you when you were a woman. The “mind clutter” was your internal gender struggle. The “attempting” was cross-dressing to make your exterior reflect the inner person.

 

Pastor Lin is a fabricated witness laying the groundwork for the time when claims of a cache of gold tablets will be found buried under a fence out there in Hollywood claiming you as the prophet Billdo.

 

You have totally annulled the Holy Writ during you tenure here, as is constantly being pointed out by C0C Deacon Contendah, to introduce the New BRV.

 

By all means take the crust advice.

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by prissy442:
 

 

You have totally annulled the Holy Writ during you tenure here, as is constantly being pointed out by C0C Deacon Contendah, to introduce the New BRV.

 

By all means take the crust advice.

 

prissy, what is the BRV.?

Bill's Revised Version

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