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All I have to say to the Aubies is, Mike Duboise was a great defensive assistant as well. They should have kept Tubby.
5 - 19 as a head coach....WOW! Why in the world would they pick this guy? Seems more and more like Auburn's program is in complete shambles. They needed a big name for recruiting and couldn't come up with one, I guess when you look at being unemployed next December when you loose to Bama it is hard to attract a big name. Huge mistake firing Tubs, and I don't for one minute buy into him resigning. If he did, why the $5 mil payoff? Thats a lot of money if they didn't have to pay it, especially with the financial troubles everyone's facing these days.
Yep...Should have kept Turbyfill. However, being an Alabama fan... 
If this guy can't win in the Big 12, What do they think he can do in the SEC?
While his 5-19 record is scary at first, you have to look deeper than that to see what Auburn just got. Yes, many Auburn faithful were under the impression that a big name was needed to compete with Saban in recruiting, but lets face it, no one was out there that could make a huge splash like the media/contract size had created for Saban last year in recruiting and that the 12-1 season has done this year. As a defensive coordinator, he was great (undefeated in 04 and 05, was the difference maker for Texas' 05 NC), don't even start with the Dubose comparison, all he coached was the defensive line. After talking to a former Auburn player, that was part of the Chizik's defense in 03 and 04, I am more excited about the hire, due to the amount of energy he can bring to the program. Remember Auburn has talent (something Iowa St, didn't have), and all it takes is one good season to turn the recruiting tables (which by the way, is still shaping up nicely). Remember, Gene Stallings was a perennial loser before arriving in Tuscaloosa and Pete Carroll was an unpopular choice when hired at USC. Some coaches fit systems and universities better, and I think a defensive mind with energy is what Auburn needs.
Auburn fans, get behind our man, it may not have been the man we wanted (I wanted Gill), but he is now the man. Remember, everyone who wanted Muschamp, that Chizik was Will Muschamp at Auburn before Will Muschamp was at Auburn, and the same at Texas, both stops with more success. He chose to take a job at a Big 12 doormat that was left in shambles when he arrived, and while his record was unimpressive, all indications are that Iowa St. was happy with the direction the program was going (offered him an extension). Give the guy a chance, so far he is saying all of the right things (that's how Bama got excited about Saban), and has the current players excited, so maybe that can translate in recruiting. WDE!
Auburn fans, get behind our man, it may not have been the man we wanted (I wanted Gill), but he is now the man. Remember, everyone who wanted Muschamp, that Chizik was Will Muschamp at Auburn before Will Muschamp was at Auburn, and the same at Texas, both stops with more success. He chose to take a job at a Big 12 doormat that was left in shambles when he arrived, and while his record was unimpressive, all indications are that Iowa St. was happy with the direction the program was going (offered him an extension). Give the guy a chance, so far he is saying all of the right things (that's how Bama got excited about Saban), and has the current players excited, so maybe that can translate in recruiting. WDE!
I have one recommendation, when looking for a home for his family he needs to look into RENTING, get a one year lease because come the end of November and the loss to Bama he'll be packing up and moving out of town. It will not matter if he's 10 - 0 going into the Iron Bowl either.
quote:Originally posted by im4uhonee:
I have one recommendation, when looking for a home for his family he needs to look into RENTING, get a one year lease because come the end of November and the loss to Bama he'll be packing up and moving out of town. It will not matter if he's 10 - 0 going into the Iron Bowl either.
First off, if we are 10-0 going into the Iron Bowl, I will be a little puzzled as to why we didn't play one of our games prior. Also, He will be given more than one year to succeed, especially against Bama, we don't hold our coaches to the Bill Curry/Mike Shula/etc. standard of beat your rival or your gone. Hell, we just got rid of a coach that went 7-3 against them. If Auburn shows up to the Iron Bowl undefeated and drops that game, it will be disappointing, but won't cost him his job.
I looked at the schedule wrong. And, Tubby won six iron bowls in a row, had winning seasons every year except one, you cant tell me that if Auburn won number seven this year Tubs would still be out of a job. The loss to Bama got him axed (and YES he was fired, or given the option to resign, you don't just hand someone $5 mil if you don't have to, because "it's the right thing to do") So, your new guy better win the last regular season game cause if he don't he's gone.
Heard this on Finebaum.A caller was wondering if someone got a chance to throw a shoe at the Auburn AD. 
I love how the bammies think this is good for them... LOL... Check your history books children... check and see how Chizik's defense did against LSwho back when Saban the Great was there... Also, how many undefeated seasons does the defensive mastermind Saban have????????? hmmmmmmm...... still thinkin..... hmmmmm... none??? is that right??? Never has Saban the Great had an undefeated season??? wow... all Chizik did was field great defenses for back to back undefeated seasons.... Also, check Auburn's D stats since Chizik left.... pretty impressive huh?? Who do you think recruited a large majority of those players??? I'm loving this hire more and more the more I think about it, simply because the bammers are getting that overconfidence they are known for.... Write him off if ya want... but I think Chizik will do just fine on the Plains...
War Eagle!!!
War Eagle!!!
quote:I love how the bammies think this is good for them... LOL... Check your history books children... check and see how Chizik's defense did against LSwho back when Saban the Great was there... Also, how many undefeated seasons does the defensive mastermind Saban have????????? hmmmmmmm...... still thinkin..... hmmmmm... none??? is that right??? Never has Saban the Great had an undefeated season??? wow... all Chizik did was field great defenses for back to back undefeated seasons.... Also, check Auburn's D stats since Chizik left.... pretty impressive huh?? Who do you think recruited a large majority of those players??? I'm loving this hire more and more the more I think about it, simply because the bammers are getting that overconfidence they are known for.... Write him off if ya want... but I think Chizik will do just fine on the Plains...
Saban had more wins in mid season this year than Chizik has in his entire head coaching career. 5 career wins in two years? Bama had 5 wins before October this year.
It's good to be an optimist, I applaud you for that. I just don't see how you're not completely pissed off with this hire. Auburn is going to be the next Vanderbilt for a few years with this guy. I'm not an Auburn fan, but I like to see them at least be competitive.
Regardless Saban is LOVIN this. It is a FACT and I have said all year long that Auburn is going down. It will take another 10-12 years to rebuild the damage that is done.quote:Originally posted by geddon97:
Heard this on Finebaum.A caller was wondering if someone got a chance to throw a shoe at the Auburn AD.
LOL!
I wonder why Auburn picked a nobody. They could have had Mike Hudspeth. (jk) Not even Auburn fans are pleased with this choice. One Auburn fan I know even got a black eye over it.
quote:I love how the bammies think this is good for them... LOL... Check your history books children... check and see how Chizik's defense did against LSwho back when Saban the Great was there... Also, how many undefeated seasons does the defensive mastermind Saban have????????? hmmmmmmm...... still thinkin..... hmmmmm... none??? is that right??? Never has Saban the Great had an undefeated season??? wow... all Chizik did was field great defenses for back to back undefeated seasons.... Also, check Auburn's D stats since Chizik left.... pretty impressive huh?? Who do you think recruited a large majority of those players??? I'm loving this hire more and more the more I think about it, simply because the bammers are getting that overconfidence they are known for.... Write him off if ya want... but I think Chizik will do just fine on the Plains...
War Eagle!!!
I just got two numbers for you FIVE & NINETEEN as a head coach!
Auburn needs to fire the AD if they want to get their program going in the right direction. He should have never fired Tubs so soon after the loss to Bama. And now, hiring a guy with a record like this as head coach? What was he thinking? Our son's girlfriend, who WAS an Auburn fan has ask for Bama stuff for Christmas this year.....and she's not a recruit, what must they be thinking? I wonder how many commitments they have lost over this? Maybe Steve Enzminger was able to slip a couple hundred bucks in their pockets before they all ran away.
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quote:Our son's girlfriend, who WAS an Auburn fan has ask for Bama stuff for Christmas this year
She was never truly an Auburn fan, and will probably jump back on the ship when Auburn turns things around. Recruits are decommitting because they are uncertain, some will come back, some won't and Chizik will bring some ones we weren't after. Once Chizik gets a chance to talk to the recruits we will get a better vision of where recruiting is heading.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
It's good to be an optimist, I applaud you for that. I just don't see how you're not completely pissed off with this hire. Auburn is going to be the next Vanderbilt for a few years with this guy. I'm not an Auburn fan, but I like to see them at least be competitive.
Well, I was unhappy at first, but it's done. Chizik is back in the Auburn family and is the head football coach. And if you think Auburn is gonna be the next Vandy you are looney!!! First off, Auburn has a fantastic core of players there now and Chizik is a great...GREAT!!! Defensive coach. Once again, just look at his track record there. Secondly, take a look at the history of Iowa St. coaching... every coach but the first one had a losing record, and he was 1-0-1. IT'S IOWA STATE!!! Yeah his record hadnt been good, but he had a team that started 11 true freshman this year, and Iowa State offered him an extention so they must've liked what he was doing.
They guy can recruit... I know everyone wants to lick Saban's rear-end clean talkin about his recruiting and that's fine... But Chizik did just fine against his LSwho recruits back in the day.
This all comes down to offense...the same as last year. If he gets a good OC that makes our offense at least slightly above average, then because of his defense Auburn will be in the SEC title hunt next year. We had absolutely one of the worst offenses in the nation this year, and in the end were just a couple of points from a 10-2 record thanks to our defense keeping us in games. It's all about offense. If we get back to smashmouth/playaction pass type football, Auburn will make a great turnaround this year.
quote:Originally posted by SwindleMaster2007@yahoo.com:
Ya'll need to get of the Fienbaum Kool-Aid. Auburn is loaded with returning talent and a good offensive system is all that is needed to fix the problems. Seriously, a small amount of football knowledge would be appreciated when posting.
quote:Originally posted by im4uhonee:
I just got two numbers for you FIVE & NINETEEN as a head coach!
Auburn needs to fire the AD if they want to get their program going in the right direction. He should have never fired Tubs so soon after the loss to Bama. And now, hiring a guy with a record like this as head coach? What was he thinking? Our son's girlfriend, who WAS an Auburn fan has ask for Bama stuff for Christmas this year.....and she's not a recruit, what must they be thinking? I wonder how many commitments they have lost over this? Maybe Steve Enzminger was able to slip a couple hundred bucks in their pockets before they all ran away.
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Once again, unknowledgable bammie kool-aid drinkers.....cept you may have spiked yours w/some rum.
Sure a few recruits have "decommited".... but a ton have hung around and have stated that they can't wait to play for Auburn. We had 26 commits before this, and even if some of those that decommited stay gone, Auburn will still sign over 20 guys and have a great recruiting class.
As I said of Chizik's record... it left me with pause at first... but, nothing to do now but support him. He knows the SEC, he knows the recruiting trail in the south, and has added some contacts in Texas and other Big 12 states. His trackrecord of great defenses and PUTTING GUYS IN THE PROS will serve him well on the recruting trail. I'd put his defensive stats, and number of pros coached up against Saban's any day. Yes, he had a ruff start with Iowa State, as I said previously, IT'S IOWA STATE!!! Even Saban the great wouldve struggled with that situation. LOL
Like I said, keep it up bammers... I love it, and will love it more when ya'll struggle with the fact that Auburn has a good and possibly great year next year.
As for your son's girlfriend... she's an idiot... I guess your son will have to walk a tight line if she's that wishy-washy... LOL
quote:And if you think Auburn is gonna be the next Vandy you are looney!!!
Auburn finished the season 5-7. Vandy went 6-6, one of those 6 wins came from beating Auburn, and they're going to a bowl game. They're already the next Vandy.
If Chizik can recruit so well, why does he only have 5 wins in two years? He only had two this year, where are his new recruits?
Sorry, Auburn is going downhill fast. This is a purely political hire, a school like Auburn can get a number of coaches far better than Chizik. My theory is the choice for Chizik to be named head coach was made before the season was over. It was a bad move that will hurt Auburn for years to come.
It's sad really, Iron Bowl won't be as much fun with a long streak of blow outs. I'd rather see Bama earn a tough win against a strong Tiger team rather than a mismatch.
quote:Auburn finished the season 5-7. Vandy went 6-6, one of those 6 wins came from beating Auburn, and they're going to a bowl game. They're already the next Vandy.
Vandy is a perennial loser who throws in a decent one every now and again. Auburn is a perennial winner who has a bad season every now and again. Basing the future on one losing season, and on a man's first two years as a head coach is absolutely absurd.
This is from an ISU writer,... that obviously didnt think much of Cheezestick. Link
Read the link...... Of course it is just his opinion, but i think Chiz is going to make Doug Barfield look good.
Quote"Chizik's game day performance speaks for itself and his Saturday state of confusion was boderline comical, if you subscribe to the idea that it's better to laugh than to cry. He might someday have the mental capacity to manage a game as head coach, but it's not there yet. The next opposing coach that Chizik outsmarts will be the first. Without superior athletes, he was rendered impotent as a coach and when all three phases became his ultimate responsibility, he gagged on it. Chizik coordinated defenses at Auburn and Texas; but as a head coach, all he coordinated was disarray. The Cyclone sideline resembled a fire drill more often than not in crucial situations and the number of delay of game penalties and wasted time outs that could be attributed to him and his staff was a career's worth, not two season's worth. The defense was ultimately dumbed down not so the players could understand it, but so the coaches could manage it. And even then they failed."
Read the link...... Of course it is just his opinion, but i think Chiz is going to make Doug Barfield look good.
Quote"Chizik's game day performance speaks for itself and his Saturday state of confusion was boderline comical, if you subscribe to the idea that it's better to laugh than to cry. He might someday have the mental capacity to manage a game as head coach, but it's not there yet. The next opposing coach that Chizik outsmarts will be the first. Without superior athletes, he was rendered impotent as a coach and when all three phases became his ultimate responsibility, he gagged on it. Chizik coordinated defenses at Auburn and Texas; but as a head coach, all he coordinated was disarray. The Cyclone sideline resembled a fire drill more often than not in crucial situations and the number of delay of game penalties and wasted time outs that could be attributed to him and his staff was a career's worth, not two season's worth. The defense was ultimately dumbed down not so the players could understand it, but so the coaches could manage it. And even then they failed."
quote:Originally posted by hayssco:
While his 5-19 record is scary at first, you have to look deeper than that to see what Auburn just got. Yes, many Auburn faithful were under the impression that a big name was needed to compete with Saban in recruiting, but lets face it, no one was out there that could make a huge splash like the media/contract size had created for Saban last year in recruiting and that the 12-1 season has done this year. As a defensive coordinator, he was great (undefeated in 04 and 05, was the difference maker for Texas' 05 NC), don't even start with the Dubose comparison, all he coached was the defensive line. After talking to a former Auburn player, that was part of the Chizik's defense in 03 and 04, I am more excited about the hire, due to the amount of energy he can bring to the program. Remember Auburn has talent (something Iowa St, didn't have), and all it takes is one good season to turn the recruiting tables (which by the way, is still shaping up nicely). Remember, Gene Stallings was a perennial loser before arriving in Tuscaloosa and Pete Carroll was an unpopular choice when hired at USC. Some coaches fit systems and universities better, and I think a defensive mind with energy is what Auburn needs.
Auburn fans, get behind our man, it may not have been the man we wanted (I wanted Gill), but he is now the man. Remember, everyone who wanted Muschamp, that Chizik was Will Muschamp at Auburn before Will Muschamp was at Auburn, and the same at Texas, both stops with more success. He chose to take a job at a Big 12 doormat that was left in shambles when he arrived, and while his record was unimpressive, all indications are that Iowa St. was happy with the direction the program was going (offered him an extension). Give the guy a chance, so far he is saying all of the right things (that's how Bama got excited about Saban), and has the current players excited, so maybe that can translate in recruiting. WDE!
In this attempt to rationalize this hire, there are two important factors you left out. Chizik is no Gene Stallings or Pete Carroll, and Auburn is certainly no Bama or USC. Those are just facts Auburn fans must live with.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
Auburn finished the season 5-7. Vandy went 6-6, one of those 6 wins came from beating Auburn, and they're going to a bowl game. They're already the next Vandy.
If Chizik can recruit so well, why does he only have 5 wins in two years? He only had two this year, where are his new recruits?
Sorry, Auburn is going downhill fast. This is a purely political hire, a school like Auburn can get a number of coaches far better than Chizik. My theory is the choice for Chizik to be named head coach was made before the season was over. It was a bad move that will hurt Auburn for years to come.
It's sad really, Iron Bowl won't be as much fun with a long streak of blow outs. I'd rather see Bama earn a tough win against a strong Tiger team rather than a mismatch.
You have zero fact to base your prediction of the future on. OFFENSIVE COACHING was the reason Auburn was 5-7 this year. Nothing else. Like I posted earlier, an average offense and Auburn is at least 10-2 this year. Like I said, get off the bammer websites and the bammer radio shows and quit drinkin thier kool-aid. It makes you sound like an idiot. Auburn had 3 wins in '98, 5 wins in '99...everyone said Auburn was dead then.... 2000, sec west champs, 2004 undefeated SEC champs... Great road record, great record against top 10 schools, great record against Florida, Tennessee..and ... what's that other... oh yeah, Alabama... splits with Georgia and LSwho(winning record while Saban the great was there). It was a bad year....it happens, may be to your beloved tide next year with a new O-line and new QB... Auburn will be back, good chance it will be next year. The crimson necks are speaking from fear that Auburn will make a quick recovery..... keep shaking bammers and be very afraid... tuscaloser could be a dark dark place if the new players drop a game or two early next year.
I have decided with Rielly here having so much knowledge about Auburn football, he would be a excellent coach for Auburn, he knows everything about everything, and seems to have plenty of time to research stats, maybe you should apply for the OC job Peter, you would have my vote. I mean you certainly can come up with excuses about anything that people say or post really quick. You say you were only a few points away from a 10-2 season. What about the 36 points that you fell shy of for a 6-6 season. You certainly seem to get your rocks off on here terrorizing people. Dude get a life or job, something.
quote:In this attempt to rationalize this hire, there are two important factors you left out. Chizik is no Gene Stallings or Pete Carroll, and Auburn is certainly no Bama or USC. Those are just facts Auburn fans must live with.
Pete Carroll had been out of the college ranks since 1983, whos hiring was unexpected, due to USCs plan to hire a high-profile coach. His hire was critized by the media and USC fans, because of his record as a coach, with former players coming out to support the hire.
Gene Stallings had just been let go by the Cardinals, due to a poor record and got the job due to his connections to the Alabama program.
Your are right, Gene Chizik is no Pete Carroll or Gene Stallings, but neither had the reputation then that they do now. There are many parallels bet Chizik and both Carroll and Stallings, and Chizik is just getting his head coaching career started. When a new coach is hired and no games have been played, you are only left to rationalize what may/can happen. The truth is nobody knows what going to happen and the guy should be given a chance to do his job, without the total amount of speculation for failure being based on only two years of his 23 year career
Despite the success of this season, Alabama isn't the Bama of old, Nick Saban isn't the Bear (or God), and Auburn's recent years have emulated the success of the USC program more closely than Bama's.
(and no, I am not saying the Auburn has been as successful as USC or the historical Bama teams, though the success between Alabama/Auburn is closer than Bama fans think)
quote:Vandy is a perennial loser who throws in a decent one every now and again. Auburn is a perennial winner who has a bad season every now and again. Basing the future on one losing season, and on a man's first two years as a head coach is absolutely absurd.
I'm basing the future predictions on the present status, not decades in the past.
Auburn's pick for head coach is a disaster and will hurt the program for years to come. It's sad, I wish they had made a better pick because Auburn is known for being a tough school to play. Now they'll be the SEC's cupcake.
quote:Seriously, a small amount of football knowledge would be appreciated when posting.
Crap I thought you were talking to Chizic and said a small amount of football knowledge would be appreciated when coaching.
I can't believe how cruel some people are on here. These are human beings we are talking about and this coach deserves a chance in his new endeavor like anyone should.
If Auburn went 10-0 with their new coach and lost the Iron Bowl, I would like to think that Auburn fans would be elated because it would be a great turnaround but at this point purely hypothetical. The bottom line is that it's all part of the building process, which all sports for that matter, go through. But to blatantly suggest that the man get a one yr lease is totally unfair to him, his family, or anyone else.
Just remember one thing, Alabama played an undefeated regular season but when it came time to play in the BIG ROOM, they folded.
After reading all these replies on here I am slowly understanding that for most people, as long as you win the Iron Bowl(Be it Alabama or Auburn), then the SEC Championship and a shot at the National Title are irrelevant. So bask in the Iron Bowl glo for another year while the real teams with the ultimate goal, a National Championship, battle it out for the BIG prize..
If Auburn went 10-0 with their new coach and lost the Iron Bowl, I would like to think that Auburn fans would be elated because it would be a great turnaround but at this point purely hypothetical. The bottom line is that it's all part of the building process, which all sports for that matter, go through. But to blatantly suggest that the man get a one yr lease is totally unfair to him, his family, or anyone else.
Just remember one thing, Alabama played an undefeated regular season but when it came time to play in the BIG ROOM, they folded.
After reading all these replies on here I am slowly understanding that for most people, as long as you win the Iron Bowl(Be it Alabama or Auburn), then the SEC Championship and a shot at the National Title are irrelevant. So bask in the Iron Bowl glo for another year while the real teams with the ultimate goal, a National Championship, battle it out for the BIG prize..
quote:Originally posted by im4uhonee:
I have one recommendation, when looking for a home for his family he needs to look into RENTING, get a one year lease because come the end of November and the loss to Bama he'll be packing up and moving out of town. It will not matter if he's 10 - 0 going into the Iron Bowl either.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:quote:Vandy is a perennial loser who throws in a decent one every now and again. Auburn is a perennial winner who has a bad season every now and again. Basing the future on one losing season, and on a man's first two years as a head coach is absolutely absurd.
I'm basing the future predictions on the present status, not decades in the past.
Auburn's pick for head coach is a disaster and will hurt the program for years to come. It's sad, I wish they had made a better pick because Auburn is known for being a tough school to play. Now they'll be the SEC's cupcake.
You are basing it on speculation of a coach, and on a few win/loss records, not taking into account what is actually out there football wise.
Auburn has brought in a defensive minded coach (with a better resume than Auburn's last two coordinators) to a team that is stacked with talent on that side of the ball. The team finished 5-7, with a huge QB controversy for half the season, and with absolutely no offensive production after a failed experiment with the spread, the were mere points away from an 8-9 win season. The new coach has shored up some wavering recruits and promised to return to a balanced, yet smash mouth offense, which better fits Auburn's current players. He knows recruiting and has good connections in the south, and will have the opportunity to bring in new assistants and coordinators that can perhaps freshen up the Auburn team.
Will he be successful, who knows? But basing it on 5-7, and 5-19, is about as ridiculous as it gets. Tuberville has left a pretty good foundation, that was left just a little shaken with a questionable move on offense.
quote:Originally posted by hayssco:
Despite the success of this season, Alabama isn't the Bama of old, Nick Saban isn't the Bear (or God), and Auburn's recent years have emulated the success of the USC program more closely than Bama's.
Does anyone besides die-hard Auburn fans think Chizik will out-recruit, out-work, and out-coach Nick Saban ?......I don't think so.
After NCAA probation and a myriad of coaches, Bama got it right. Auburn tried too answer Bama's hiring of Saban by hiring Chizik. If they want too put "all their chips on the table" with Gene Chizik then, by all means, they should go for it.
The chances of Chizik being a better coach than Saban are slim and none....and slim just left the building.
quote:Originally posted by Dock Bass:
Just remember one thing, Alabama played an undefeated regular season but when it came time to play in the BIG ROOM, they folded.
After reading all these replies on here I am slowly understanding that for most people, as long as you win the Iron Bowl(Be it Alabama or Auburn), then the SEC Championship and a shot at the National Title are irrelevant. So bask in the Iron Bowl glo for another year while the real teams with the ultimate goal, a National Championship, battle it out for the BIG prize..
It's not a case of either/or. It would be extremely hard for the loser in the Iron Bowl too play in the SEC Championship game, and **** near impossible too play in the National Championship game. Unless, of course, you're Auburn. Then you can go undefeated in the SEC, win the SECCG, and still not play for a national title.
Let's see, who has a better shot at the National Championship....Bama with Nick Saban or Auburn with Gene Chizik ?
Bama lost too a better team in the SECCG. Folding is what Auburn did in the Iron Bowl.
quote:Originally posted by BAD KARMA:
I have decided with Rielly here having so much knowledge about Auburn football, he would be a excellent coach for Auburn, he knows everything about everything, and seems to have plenty of time to research stats, maybe you should apply for the OC job Peter, you would have my vote. I mean you certainly can come up with excuses about anything that people say or post really quick. You say you were only a few points away from a 10-2 season. What about the 36 points that you fell shy of for a 6-6 season. You certainly seem to get your rocks off on here terrorizing people. Dude get a life or job, something.
You are right about many things... I do have tons of football knowledge, and that I would be a fantastic offensive coordinator. As for excuses, none here... We sucked on offense. That's not an excuse, that's THE reason we had a bad year. I'm sure if you could find any factual errors in my posts you would mention them, but since you can't you try to insult me(failing at which by the way). And I've already givin my thoughts on the Iron Bowl this year in a previous thread. I urge you to go read it and see if you can find anything factually wrong with it. You bammers can spew all you want, I speak on fact and honest assesment, ya'll speak on venom and hope that the bahr days will come back....which won't.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
I'm basing the future predictions on the present status, not decades in the past.
Auburn's pick for head coach is a disaster and will hurt the program for years to come. It's sad, I wish they had made a better pick because Auburn is known for being a tough school to play. Now they'll be the SEC's cupcake.
Alabama was 6-7, and 7-6 the previous two years. What's their record now??? I predicted the tide to win 8 or 9 games this year, and the reality of a watered down non-conference schedule(thanx to crumbling of the Clemson team) and the weakened state of the SEC this year, they peaked at the right time and have won 12. Who's to say the same won't happen for Auburn next year? Once again, you are speculating purely on bammer kool-aid with nothing to back it up. The talent is on the plains to be successful, don't take my word for it watch the 2010 NFL draft for proof(and possibly the '09 draft if some juniors leave early).
quote:Originally posted by midknightrider:
Does anyone besides die-hard Auburn fans think Chizik will out-recruit, out-work, and out-coach Nick Saban ?......I don't think so.
After NCAA probation and a myriad of coaches, Bama got it right. Auburn tried too answer Bama's hiring of Saban by hiring Chizik. If they want too put "all their chips on the table" with Gene Chizik then, by all means, they should go for it.
The chances of Chizik being a better coach than Saban are slim and none....and slim just left the building.[/QUOTE]
I guarantee Saban won't outwork Chizik. As for recruiting, that's subjective. Someone who landed a stud 5-star player that never got on the feild would have "won" over Tuberville(and Chizik) when he signed Sen'derrick Marks who was a 2 star... who would you consider the winner now?? Marks will be a first round pick this year, and a top 5 or 10 pick if he stays for his senior year. My point is, Saban will land more of the guys that Rivals.com slobber over because of his name, but Chizik will bring in just as many guys that PRODUCE in the SEC and go on to the pros.
As for coaching.... how many undefeated defenses has Saban fielded??? How many undefeated defenses has Chizik fielded??? hmmm.... in defensive coaching I see the score at least 2-0 there... as for head coach, experience lays on Saban's side. Chizik took a bad job @ Iowa State and struggled early. Do you know what their record would've been with him next year?? No?? Me either.... So the jury is still out on how good he will be as a head coach. Once again, you are a bammer speculator that ignores fact. Fact is, Chizik is superior to Saban as a defensive mastermind as proven on the field with 2 undefeated teams(in back to back seasons on less)... Saban is superior as a HC by way of experience... Now, just sit back and see how it shakes out.... I have a feeling you bammers are gonna be in for a sad suprise.
quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Fact is, Chizik is superior to Saban as a defensive mastermind as proven on the field with 2 undefeated teams(in back to back seasons on less)... Saban is superior as a HC by way of experience... Now, just sit back and see how it shakes out.... I have a feeling you bammers are gonna be in for a sad suprise.
Uh...OK
I have a feeling too, that Aubbies are going be in for a surprise...and it's not good.
Auburn's counting on Chizik, Bama's counting on Saban. Let the chips fall where they may.
quote:Will he be successful, who knows? But basing it on 5-7, and 5-19, is about as ridiculous as it gets. Tuberville has left a pretty good foundation, that was left just a little shaken with a questionable move on offense.
It's not ridiculous to look at a head coach who's two year career record is 3-9 and 2-10 and predict a tough few years for Auburn. Yes, Auburn will have an easier time recruiting because it's Auburn and a SEC school, but at the same time if he is such a great coach, why the bad record?
I believe the deal to hire Chizik was probably made before the season ended. Tubby may have ticked off the wrong people and Chizik is connected enough to pull some strings. The hire just doesn't make sense.
It's good that Auburn fans are optimistic and looking at the hire positively, but I seriously doubt this is the caliber coach to pull Auburn out of it's slump.
Most all knowledgeable football fans agree, Auburn downgraded when they went from Tubby too Chizik. But Bobby Lowder, Jimmy Raines, Pat Dye and co. got what they wanted...a yes man. Does anyone really believe TT "resigned" and the Auburn athletic department gave him five million dollars because it was the "right thing too do"? Talk about your kool-aid drinkers.
ok first I would like to say to all the Alabama fans, Great Year! Alabama has alot of talent, Glad they did real well, and with that being said, I did hope that Alabama would have had a chance to play for the national championship. I was alittle upset with the hire, but again look at it, the guy is a great defensive mind, you cant compare Iowa state to any program in alabama, period! for those that dont know some of the history of saban, "1995–1997 – Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved MSU's fortunes, taking the Spartans to minor bowl games (all of which they lost by double-digit margins) in each of his first three seasons. From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6–5–1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994." also saban start at toledo and had pretty good seasons, there. so no one starts at the top of their game. if someone comes in and dominates a conference as a new coach then it is a fluke! or someone else's recruits. which has happened in the past at alabama and auburn. this is not a one sided opinion, like some on here. all a coach has to do is get his players behind what they are trying to do, and they will be successfull. auburn is only losing 3 players off defense, one that would have been alot better had they had a offense that could have kept them off the field. and i believe that their are not losing many more on offense. Aubrun will be competitive this year, maybe not a 9 win season, but they will win at least 7! everyone thought that bama would not be that good this year, even my good friends, told me that bama would only win 7 this year, they laughed me out of the room, when i said that they would win at least 9 games this year. i would take 7, 3 star players any day of the week over 7 blue chips, because the chips have problems that come with them, whether it is due to the fact that they think they are to good for rules or whatever. happens at every school. but we will see,, to the bama fans enjoy your 300 some old days to gloat over the victory over Auburn! but you still did not win number 13!!! another season in which saban could not come away with perfection!!!!!!!!!!!!!