Bama lost because of A.Smith and...

From what I've read and understand the two sports agents involved face possible criminal charges and the law also allows the university to file a civil suit against them. I wonder if they can also file a civil suit against Andre Smith fo any lost revenues due to the Sugar Bowl loss? It would set a great example to take several million dollars of his NFL contract as a punishment and also a deterrant against future athletes who break the NCAA rules trying to cut a better deal with a sports agent. This is the exact thing that got Alabama in trouble with the NCAA a few years ago that we are only now beginning to recover from. How much did that cost the University? Some say it would send the wrong message to recruits but I think it waould say if you play ball at Alabama you better follow the rules and not be dealing behind closed doors.

I read that he isn't sure if he is going pro or not. If he does decide to come back to the Tide next season who could trust him after the way he abandoned his team??

he plays defense too?
the bigger problem was losing johnson after the 2nd drive. saban said himself after the game that bama finally had to deal with something that every team in the nation already had to deal with. a big injury to a starter.
i can't help but think back to the times daily poll about how much of an impact losing smith would have...56.2% said little to no impact and now the day after there is thread calling for him to be tarred and feathered and multiple ones blaming him for the ENTIRE loss. wow.

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Originally posted by adamryan1121:
he plays defense too?
the bigger problem was losing johnson after the 2nd drive. saban said himself after the game that bama finally had to deal with something that every team in the nation already had to deal with. a big injury to a starter.
i can't help but think back to the times daily poll about how much of an impact losing smith would have...56.2% said little to no impact and now the day after there is thread calling for him to be tarred and feathered and multiple ones blaming him for the ENTIRE loss. wow.

Finally someone with some sense. Andre wasnt the one out there missing tackles or looking shell shot on the first three Ute drives. I agree, losing Johnson was huge. Only thing i might could add is Coach Steele leaving could have had a big effect mentally on the D side of the ball.

I don't necessarly blame him for the loss, I just think this would be a good time to set an example of what happens when you break the rules about dealing with a sports agent about your NFL contract. This should be treated by everyone NCAA, NFL and college administration as harshly as sports betting by MLB.

oh my gosh, get over it Tide fans! You got exposed by a better Utah team. Just be glad you made it through the year before you met a good team. The SEC was weak overall this year, any other year it would have been a 6-6 year. You might want to concentrate on recruiting some offensive linemen and another reciever to compliment Hoolio, otherwise you are looking at the same thing AU dealt with this year.

I'm a huge Bama fan, but I have to agree with Small Talker on one thing. Bama was beat by a better team. I don't agree that the SEC was down however (look at the Ole Miss game). I believe that the best team in the Nation is probably Utah, and Bama caught them at their best.

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
I'm a huge Bama fan, but I have to agree with Small Talker on one thing. Bama was beat by a better team. I don't agree that the SEC was down however (look at the Ole Miss game). I believe that the best team in the Nation is probably Utah, and Bama caught them at their best.

Bama got more than beat,.... Bama got humiliated. It wouldnt surprise me to see split champions this year.... Utah might grab the top spot in the AP poll. They are undefeated and looked very impressive.

I think the whole A. Smith thing was a big distraction from the task at hand. I haven't saw the defense look so confused in years. What was so confusing about what Utah was doing? I guess they weren't used to being hit in the mouth, repeatedly. Coach Saban will be sure and use this game for inspiration. Tyler Watts said on the post game that it was a good feeling to be disappointed with being 12-2.AMEN to that. ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

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Originally posted by TonkaJo:
the sports agent he talked to.

9 sacks, 36 yards of offense, hurried/hit or knocked down on all other pass plays; O-line was the hole-in-the-**** for the Tide.

Smith should be tarred and feathered along with his agent buddy. I hope his teammates give him the disdain and ridicule a selfish, greedy snake deserves. Smith and the agent hold the majority of the blame for this loss.

Getta Life dude. Smith has done his "duty" for the team all year. He made a mistake. Get over it. If the team couldn't beat Utah without him, then they didn't deserve to win anyway. Actually, he would have been crazy to play in that game anyway. He is almost assured to be a #2 draft pick, and to become an instant millionaire. If he gets hurt in that game, he could possibly kiss that good-bye. It's all about money with college ball now (they pay the coach more than 4 mil. a year), and Andre deserves to get his. Lay off of him and Roll Tide.

The only way Andre Smith saves that game would be if they let him play with sub machine guns.

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The only way Andre Smith saves that game would be if they let him play with sub machine guns.

very funny and very true!

Seriously, blaming one player (or the lack thereof) for a loss that monumental is just idiotic.

Might we have lost by a little less?

Yeah, we might have.

Would we have won if he'd played?

Not the way Utah played...

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Originally posted by Small talker:

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The only way Andre Smith saves that game would be if they let him play with sub machine guns.

very funny and very true!

Oh Me!

Andre did cost Bama the game. With no blocking on his side, JPW couldn't throw the football. Utah knew there was a hole of inexperience there. Smith's fault it happened with no warning. As for being such a great team, Utah didn't play anyone but us. They found a hole where a key player was missing, boy, that took a lot of research to do. Our team was already shaken by his absence and then his back up got hurt. Yeah, great team. If we'd been hitting on all cylinders they would have been like the high school team they are.

"Our team", dannalynne, you go to Bama?

Anyway, no one in their right mind can say it was Smith's fault. Alabama just got outplayed.

In the southern states where for many years we only had two or three NFL team in GA, La, and Fl to pull for the Colleges have been cliamed by many as their teams.

Alabama got out-coached.

This falls squarely on Nick Saban's shoulders and he knows it.

Alabama looked sluggish and appeared to have way less motivation.

I simply do not believe that Utah's athletes are that much better the Bama's. Obviously, the Utes were much more prepared and motivated.

Why?

Coaching.

It happens. Hopefully, and for our sake, Saban will learn from this....

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Originally posted by 8I:
Alabama got out-coached.

This falls squarely on Nick Saban's shoulders and he knows it.

Alabama looked sluggish and appeared to have way less motivation.

I simply do not believe that Utah's athletes are that much better the Bama's. Obviously, the Utes were much more prepared and motivated.

Why?

Coaching.

It happens. Hopefully, and for our sake, Saban will learn from this....

Saban has admitted this as well. He's a great coach, but he's not God. Saban makes mistakes. He has however, returned Alabama back to prominence. Let me remind all of you, that Alabama fielded a team with the fewest scholarship seniors of any Div. 1 team in the nation. Bama is way ahead of schedule, and we had a great year. Yes, the last 2 games were disappointing, but lets keep things real. A few more good recruiting classes, and Bama will be dominating again. RTR

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:

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Originally posted by 8I:
Alabama got out-coached.

This falls squarely on Nick Saban's shoulders and he knows it.

Alabama looked sluggish and appeared to have way less motivation.

I simply do not believe that Utah's athletes are that much better the Bama's. Obviously, the Utes were much more prepared and motivated.

Why?

Coaching.

It happens. Hopefully, and for our sake, Saban will learn from this....

Saban has admitted this as well. He's a great coach, but he's not God. Saban makes mistakes. He has however, returned Alabama back to prominence. Let me remind all of you, that Alabama fielded a team with the fewest scholarship seniors of any Div. 1 team in the nation. Bama is way ahead of schedule, and we had a great year. Yes, the last 2 games were disappointing, but lets keep things real. A few more good recruiting classes, and Bama will be dominating again. RTR

Oh, I think he's a very good coach, in spite of what he did to the Dolphins. If they'll leave him alone, he'll do very well.

Bonus: I'm told his strength is recruiting. Let's hope so.

More info on A. Smith and the sports agent debacle.

As I understand it Smith's uncle made the contact. Don't know if Smith knew about it or not. Also, the sports agency is headquartered out of Tampa FL.

If Smith did not know anything about his uncle makeing the contact then nothing Smith could have done. Maybe the uncle is the one needing to be tarred & feathered.

This story is so not over.

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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Andre did cost Bama the game. With no blocking on his side, JPW couldn't throw the football. Utah knew there was a hole of inexperience there. Smith's fault it happened with no warning. As for being such a great team, Utah didn't play anyone but us. They found a hole where a key player was missing, boy, that took a lot of research to do. Our team was already shaken by his absence and then his back up got hurt. Yeah, great team. If we'd been hitting on all cylinders they would have been like the high school team they are.

Sounds like you don't have much faith in "your team" if it takes only ONE of them to win.

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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Andre did cost Bama the game. With no blocking on his side, JPW couldn't throw the football. Utah knew there was a hole of inexperience there. Smith's fault it happened with no warning. As for being such a great team, Utah didn't play anyone but us. They found a hole where a key player was missing, boy, that took a lot of research to do. Our team was already shaken by his absence and then his back up got hurt. Yeah, great team. If we'd been hitting on all cylinders they would have been like the high school team they are.

The more you you post, the more idiotic you sound.

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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Andre did cost Bama the game. With no blocking on his side, JPW couldn't throw the football. Utah knew there was a hole of inexperience there. Smith's fault it happened with no warning. As for being such a great team, Utah didn't play anyone but us. They found a hole where a key player was missing, boy, that took a lot of research to do. Our team was already shaken by his absence and then his back up got hurt. Yeah, great team. If we'd been hitting on all cylinders they would have been like the high school team they are.

Guess that gives Bama little or no hope for next year? I agree he was a major factor on offense, but he didn't allow 31 points to be scored. Depth is the issue at Bama, because no one offensive lineman should be able to cause an entire offense to crumble.

Okay, I am no sports expert, but it seems to me that both the players and coach are responsible for a loss. Everyone has to have their head in the game. Bama knew going in they were missing A.S., so the others should have stepped up and taken up the slack. I don't think you can blame one person alone for the loss.

excuses excuses. bama fans are good at that when their team loses. The problem is bama fans made saban into a god when you were 12-0. Saban isn't a coaching god or like some family members called him "the man". I agree bama has come futher than expected and congratulations but give credit where credit is due. Utah took it to alabama and didn't know what happened (21-0) and when "god" made his bcs statement in the press the utes were sure motivated. That is one thing saban has a problem with at times is sticking his foot in his mouth sometimes. Kinda like the pearl harbor comparison last year.

You know the major difference between the Sugar Bowl and the Iron Bowl?Both teams scored in the Sugar Bowl.

bama lost because utah was the better team. win as a team, lose as a team. we had a 12-2 season and, yes , the end was disappointing. and it feels good again to be disappointed about a 12-2 season.

Ditto DHS. What is your problem?

Wow, mustering up a "ditto" certainly interjects a certain level of intellectual depth to this discussion that had been previously lacking...

Alabama got their trunks handed to them. No one person, player OR coach, is to blame. The team got beaten by (surprise!) another team who played a better game that day. That's kinda how team sports work.

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Originally posted by Ed@Bama:
Wow, mustering up a "ditto" certainly interjects a certain level of intellectual depth to this discussion that had been previously lacking...

Alabama got their trunks handed to them. No one person, player OR coach, is to blame. The team got beaten by (surprise!) another team who played a better game that day. That's kinda how team sports work.

Ditto Ed.

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Originally posted by adamryan1121:
he plays defense too?
the bigger problem was losing johnson after the 2nd drive. saban said himself after the game that bama finally had to deal with something that every team in the nation already had to deal with. a big injury to a starter.
i can't help but think back to the times daily poll about how much of an impact losing smith would have...56.2% said little to no impact and now the day after there is thread calling for him to be tarred and feathered and multiple ones blaming him for the ENTIRE loss. wow.

Football is a 11 man team sport, that is why the other 10 are there. If i was a member of a team where everyone was saying that we lost because of 1 person then i would be really upset, Alabama did not prepare for the speed of utah, that is why they lost, hate to see any team of the sec to lose a bowl game, but to read the post from some of the alabama fans, on other topics, dont get me wrong, i have done the same, but only due to the fact that someone is down grading my team, then i get offensive, and defend them, but am a true football fan, not one that read's and lives on everyword that a local newspaper writes! utah beat alabama hands down, not because of one player, alabama was beat after the 1st quater. only because they was not prepared for the speed of utah, and was knocked on their heels, and was not used to that! so keep thinking that they lost because of big man, and there will be more disappointment during sabans career, because even though he is a great coach, he cant reach prefection, and will disappoint many bama fans.