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Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

I see this as no different than buying food.

 

Why don't you start whining about selling bacon

Have you ever ate a lobster..??

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I have never "ate" a lobster,. but I have EATEN quite a few of them.  I have seen some lobsters in the wild also, but I have never had one wag his tail, lick my hand, and bark excitedly to see me.

 

Let us know how much you enjoyed that roasted Rottweiler and barbecued beagle!

Hmmmm, never had "turtles, fish, lizards and other amphibians" bark excitedly to see me or lick my hand or wag their tails either. The article is two years old, maybe the fad has died out. Do you eat the cats you murder simply for being cats and doing what nature compels them to do? (There's your barbarian imo) Maybe a cat in a keychain would be more your style.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

I see this as no different than buying food.

 

Why don't you start whining about selling bacon

Have you ever ate a lobster..??

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I have never "ate" a lobster,. but I have EATEN quite a few of them.  I have seen some lobsters in the wild also, but I have never had one wag his tail, lick my hand, and bark excitedly to see me.

 

Let us know how much you enjoyed that roasted Rottweiler and barbecued beagle!

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Where is any reference to dining on dog? 

 

From my experience with the montagnards, dog is greasy and tough  Washing it down with a shared drink of rice alcohol and water buffalo blood did nothing to improve the meal.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Hmmmm, never had "turtles, fish, lizards and other amphibians" bark excitedly to see me or lick my hand or wag their tails either. The article is two years old, maybe the fad has died out. Do you eat the cats you murder simply for being cats and doing what nature compels them to do? (There's your barbarian imo) Maybe a cat in a keychain would be more your style.

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The only cats for which I recommend "murder" are feral cats.  I also recommend "murder" for feral hogs. Both exotic species do huge damage to natural ecosystems and need to be eliminated or at least greatly reduced in population. Those who professionally are engaged in wildlife management unanimously subscribe to the same convictions that I have in this matter. Ignorant people such as you have neither the correct  information nor the analytical capability to reach such conclusions, preferring instead to view all cats as of equal status, whether de-clawed and wholly domestic and confined or uncontrolled, free-ranging and murdering enormous numbers of native birds and small mammals. A total lack of discretion, Best!

I don't care how you dress it up. I posted that cats are compelled by nature to do what they do, and there is NO difference in a feral cat and a domesticated cat. They are not exotic species. You're a cat hater pure and simple, it has nothing to do with feral cats. As for the ones 'in wildlife management' that think as you do, they should be fired. Again, someone that enjoys killing cats has no place to cry about turtles, frogs, or fish.

I personally like cats as long as they are kept on ones own property.  They are a antique car guys arch enemy as they are one of the only animals that consistently get on and in cars.   The problem I have is when people insist on leaving their cats to roam free on others property.   I personally have had to have a discussion with a neighbor about their cat and my cars paint job and they were adamant about not realistic for them to keep their cat on their property.  I then showed them a recording of the cat stretching its claws on my airport car and the cost involved if it was my wife's or one of my antiques with a 13k paint job.   Any wild animals can become a pest whiter from a domestic background or not if allowed to overtake the environment where they live.  I do not kill them but trap them and take them to the shelter collar and all as one is available in my area.

Killing cats for doing what nature intends for them to do is not the same as getting upset if they scratch a car. I know that happens, but never in my life have I had a cat do one bit of damage to my car, or known of anyone that had it happen. I have heard twice of the feral cats in our neighborhood getting in the engine compartment for warmth, and both times they just ran out when the car owner banged on the hood. If someone wanted to kill a cat because it caught a flying ****ing rat or some other vermin, I'd be highly peeved. We have three rabbits in our yard alone that come out in the evening to graze on our lawn, squirrels in the trees, possums, raccoons, skunks and this morning I found a 'passle' of little frogs about as big as the nail on my little finger on the deck. No idea what that's about. All sorts of birds doing their nasty dropping on the deck, sidewalk, road and driveways and building their nests all over the place in every shrub and tree, dive bombing people and pets that are trying to use their own yards, so that claptrap about cats messing with 'wildlife' is ludicrous. I wish they would eat a few of those nasty birds.

My husband reminded me we've had dogs do damage to our cars, but not cats. I had forgotten that. A friend's dog jumped on my door and left he**a scratches. They fixed the door. I'd never think of killing a dog or a cat for being an animal. I hate the stinking birds but I'm not out there pinging at them with a bb/pellet gun, and I do hate it when the dogs get them. It's kind of sad. BUT if they wouldn't dive bomb the dogs, or build their nests in the shrubs, they wouldn't bother them.

I did not say kill I personally trap them and take to a shelter.  I have had a dog do the same thing also to my car but only once.  I have had free ranging neighbors cats on my cars more times than I can count.  I simply hate irresponsible pet owners who do not keep their animals on their property.  I have a smaller dog and have trained him to stay on my property at the lake.  However, many of the other residents have large dogs and make no effort to keep them on their own property and the area has become a giant dog park.  I get tired of piles of dog crap in my yard, digging in my yard, flower beds and now the new neighbors two large dogs take off with anything put down on the drive or deck and actually caught one chewing up my deck.  You try to talk to the owners and you are the bad guy.  It's just crazy and not the pets fault but maddening all the same. 

And I didn't post you did say you'd kill them. I was posting about beternnun killing cats for being cats. He's a cat hater and will use any excuse to do it. I posted that all of us put up with animals. Decent people don't kill them for being animals. I don't know when animals became such a big problem for people. We had dogs and cats all over our neighborhood and had a garden, a yard, flower gardens, cars, and I truly don't remember anyone having problem with someone's pet UNLESS it bit.

Best we agree on most of this but no one should have to put up with another s pet on their own property.  My wife does not care for animals and is afraid of large dogs since she was bitten by one.  She would not mistreat a animal and we do have a smaller rescue dog "my daughters".  It is amazing how my neighbors at the lake think she should just put up with the dogs and sadly she is a dog magnet.   No one likes stepping in big piles of dog ****, especially if should not be in your yard in the first place.   You also should be able to put your shoes or anything else out dry on your own property without fear it will be carried off by someones dog.  Having 4 or 5 big dogs in your yard all the time gets old when you don't own them.  When I grew up in country it was different we were on big acreage and others dogs and cats never really traveled to our yard all the time.   

I don't have dogs running loose in my yard. I don't know about the lake. I guess if there are no leash laws they let them run and swim and whatever. I was talking about growing up when everyone had pets, they ran, ran with the kids, and no one ever seemed to have a problem unless the dog bit. There was one German Shepard that our neighbors owned, and when the sun went down you BETTER live on that street or STAY OUT if you couldn't be vouched for. We would tell people to let us know when they were coming so we could let "king" know they were expected. All we had to do was 'vouch' for them and King was OK with it. Everyone on the street loved him, he patrolled the area. I don't remember him ever leaving our street, it was his.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I don't care how you dress it up. I posted that cats are compelled by nature to do what they do, and there is NO difference in a feral cat and a domesticated cat. They are not exotic species. You're a cat hater pure and simple, it has nothing to do with feral cats. As for the ones 'in wildlife management' that think as you do, they should be fired. Again, someone that enjoys killing cats has no place to cry about turtles, frogs, or fish.

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You don't know squat.  The domestic cat is not native to North America; hence it is, by definition, EXOTIC. As to cats being"compelled by nature to to what they do," that is an irrelevancy as related to the behavior of exotic species, which have no natural reason for even being in the ecosystems into which they are introduced, and which often wreak havoc upon those systems. Every time you venture into ecological "explanations" or rationalizations, you come off sounding like a perfect fool!

You don't know squat.  The domestic cat is not native to North America; hence it is, by definition, EXOTIC. As to cats being"compelled by nature to to what they do," that is an irrelevancy as related to the behavior of exotic species, which have no natural reason for even being in the ecosystems into which they are introduced, and which often wreak havoc upon those systems. Every time you venture into ecological "explanations" or rationalizations, you come off sounding like a perfect fool!

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 You're the one that knows nothing. You blow off about cats and what they do and blah blah blah, and it's all just BS. Cats have co-existed for hundreds of years with other wildlife and with NO shortage of vermin. It most certainly is relevant that nature compels them to hunt. There have been no ecosystems ruined by cats, none in danger of being ruined. You're the one that is a fool, and all you are is a cat hater making excuses so you can kill innocent animals. Because you find like minded inhumane a**holes means nothing to me. There's no shortage of sadists out there killing innocent animals.

Now hotshot, open that big yap of yours and tell me where I have 'ventured into ecological explanations or rationalizations' other than to call BS on your excuses for killing animals that have as much right to live and do what nature intends for them to do as any other animal. A bird or a cat? I'll take the cat. Want to get rid of something, go after those nasty, lice ridden, disease carrying flying p oo p machines.

Again, the very idea you'd even pretend to care about these animals is ridiculous. Barbarian? Look in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

I see this as no different than buying food.

 

Why don't you start whining about selling bacon

Have you ever ate a lobster..??

____

I have never "ate" a lobster,. but I have EATEN quite a few of them.  I have seen some lobsters in the wild also, but I have never had one wag his tail, lick my hand, and bark excitedly to see me.

 

Let us know how much you enjoyed that roasted Rottweiler and barbecued beagle!

Did you use your prize bar to open the shell???

Domestic cats may kill songbirds, game birds, lizards, and rodents on occasion, and feral cats do so on a regular basis. Over the years, they have had a serious detrimental effect on bird populations that are already straining to survive in a world where migratory winter habitat is becoming deforested at alarming rates. Feral cats are also responsible for taking fishes, amphibians, moles, voles, lizards, and other wildlife- some of which may be endangered and protected by law.

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No, it's not true, it's your opinion. I'd rather have the cats. The disease carrying, property damaging vermin can go extinct for all I care. There is nothing on that list that shows any sign of disappearing, the cats haven't managed yet to get rid of them. BTW, my dogs kill more of those things than the ferals here do. Plus some of the vermin eat each other. What do you propose to do about that?

 

See a lot of feral cats in the wild eating the 'wildlife'?

 Also from the article.

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Feral cats live in close proximity to human settlements; thereby, making them potential vectors for disease transmission.. They may carry diseases that can be transmitted to domesticated cats, such as feline leukemia, distemper, and Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV). They also can carry zoonotic diseases such as rabies, cat scratch fever, and ringworm.

 

All of the above are reasons you don't let your cats roam and you vaccinate them against all those things. Well that and people like beternnun that will kill them without a thought that they are someone's pet and loved. Below is just what my vet told me about rabies in cats. It's a very low chance. So sorry, but sounds like all the 'experts' are as full of BS as beternnun.

 

Rabies and Cat Bites

The risk of getting rabies from a cat is fairly low, with most cases of rabies now occurring in wild animals, such as raccoons, skunks, bats, and foxes. Still, about 7 percent of rabies cases occur in domestic animals, including cats and dogs.

Although not common, affecting only 24 people in the United States in 2006, since rabies is almost always fatal, most experts recommend erring on the side of caution if you think your child could have been exposed to rabies.

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