Question for the men - years ago my boyfriend could stop at a gas station and purchase a condom from a vending machine in the mens room. Are those machines still around?
(This was during my young and stupid, but careful, high school days in the early 70s)
quote:Originally posted by beady-eyed lady:
Question for the men - years ago my boyfriend could stop at a gas station and purchase a condom from a vending machine in the mens room. Are those machines still around?
(This was during my young and stupid, but careful, high school days in the early 70s)
Now they're in both bathrooms.
If sex there must be, to prevent progeny, might I suggest -- soixante-neuf. 
quote:Originally posted by Celly:
Why the sudden onslaught on women's reproductive freedom?
Is that code for killing babies?
quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
It's increasingly clear that conservatives have issues with sex. They don't want anyone to have something that they aren't getting or that frightens them.
Visit a TEA Party rally and it becomes obvious why this group ain't gettin' none.
I take it that you're a strong advocate of irresponsibility, and you want others to pay for it.
quote:Originally posted by willie:
i got a pocket full of $1 bills i'd like to stuff in her mouth!!!
(and i can think of a few other things as well!!!)
Have any of you crude *****es ever been governor of Alaska?
quote:Originally posted by b50m:Yeah, I can agree with the duh part. Like duh, man, how many chicks you knock up?quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by b50m:
[QUOTE] Let me guess, you are one of those guys would thinks he's a gift to women?
Well Duh.
Pony up dad.
That's all a fantasy. His only gift to women was leaving them alone.
quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by 73RangerXLT:quote:Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
Conservatives in Congress think that if we can just get rid of Planned Parenthood and PBS, all of your problems will be solved.
There's nothing wrong with you liberals ponying up and paying for planned parenthood yourselves. If you believe in it that much, knock yourselves out. Don't ask me to pay for something that's against my moral principals.
Tell you what, we'll pay for planned parenthood, you pay for the war in Iraq. Deal?
How many of your sons have served in Iraq?
quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:quote:How would I know about it?
Well, if you're either to dumb or lazy to use birth control try to keep it in your pants. If you keep poking it in strange places you might just get a dose of something that will end your sex life and we won't have to worry about paying for your 'mistakes'.
Birth control is the Chick's responsibility. I ask every time.
You mean both times? I'm sure your ego is much larger than your success rate.
quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
Birth control is the "Chick's" responsibility. I ask every time.
I don't think you need to worry about knocking your boyfriend up, pole smoker.
quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by 73RangerXLT:quote:Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
Conservatives in Congress think that if we can just get rid of Planned Parenthood and PBS, all of your problems will be solved.
There's nothing wrong with you liberals ponying up and paying for planned parenthood yourselves. If you believe in it that much, knock yourselves out. Don't ask me to pay for something that's against my moral principals.
Tell you what, we'll pay for planned parenthood, you pay for the war in Iraq. Deal?
How many of your sons have served in Iraq?
What has that got to do with anything?
Opie, you're the one that tried to equate killing unborn babies with sending our sons into battle to fight terrorists.
quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:
Opie, you're the one that tried to equate killing unborn babies with sending our sons into battle to fight terrorists.
Both are of questionable morality. Neither are illegal.
Wrong ditto.
Those military personnel volunteered, that fetus did not volunteer to die.
Those military personnel volunteered, that fetus did not volunteer to die.
How did my thread turn into a debate about abortion? Focus, people, focus!
Women are more than just mom-zies.
Women are more than just mom-zies.
Actually it has covered sex education, paternity suits, loose sex, abortion rights and ignorant minded males.
Where have you been? You have not posted on it since you started it.
Where have you been? You have not posted on it since you started it.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:
Opie, you're the one that tried to equate killing unborn babies with sending our sons into battle to fight terrorists.
Both are of questionable morality. Neither are illegal.
Not even close.
quote:Originally posted by Celly:
How did my thread turn into a debate about abortion? Focus, people, focus!
Women are more than just mom-zies.
Well, then I suggest to the women who don't want to be "mom-zies": Use protection or keep them crossed.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Celly:
How did my thread turn into a debate about abortion?
DUH!!! It's Times Daily Forum. We have certain procedures we adhere to. We NEVER stick to a topic here. Wake up, look around, welcome to the "real world" bucko.
How did my thread turn into a debate about abortion?
DUH!!! It's Times Daily Forum. We have certain procedures we adhere to. We NEVER stick to a topic here. Wake up, look around, welcome to the "real world" bucko.
Then again, don't get pregnant. Use birth control and if you aren't smart enough to do that-do what has been suggested a few times here, keep your legs together. I wanted two children, I have two children. I didn't have those children expecting or wanting anyone else to raise them. If you need help it's the father's place to help you, if he or your family won't help, don't have children. Simple.quote:Originally posted by Celly:
How did my thread turn into a debate about abortion? Focus, people, focus!
Women are more than just mom-zies.
quote:Originally posted by beady-eyed lady:quote:Originally posted by LE89:
Here is an idea, either stop having sex or buy a condom. I'm tired of pulling my wallet out every other time you have sex.
Hey, here's another idea - why don't men who don't want children (or don't plan to support them) learn to either keep it in their pants or have a vasectomy?
A man not keeping "it" in his pants doesn't get a woman pregnant. If all men ran around naked I GUARANTEE there would be FEWER pregnancies. Aside from rape, any woman who gets pregnant without wanting to be pregnant can blame herself. It's quite simple. Jennifer was right on. Sexual relations are, for the most part, a personal choice. If YOU choose to play, YOU should pay for whatever happens, NOT everyone else.
That brings me to another topic. Limitations need to be put in place for certain types of federal aid. Most programs were originally intended to be short-term. "Let us help you until you can get back on your feet." So much for that!
And it continues ...
Link.
quote:Ga. Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages
— By Jen Phillips
| Wed Feb. 23, 2011 4:32 AM PST
It's only February, but this year has been a tough one for women's health and reproductive rights. There's a new bill on the block that may have reached the apex (I hope) of woman-hating craziness. Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin—who last year proposed making rape and domestic violence "victims" into "accusers"—has introduced a 10-page bill that would criminalize miscarriages and make abortion in Georgia completely illegal. Both miscarriages and abortions would be potentially punishable by death: any "prenatal murder" in the words of the bill, including "human involvement" in a miscarriage, would be a felony and carry a penalty of life in prison or death. Basically, it's everything an "pro-life" activist could want aside from making all women who've had abortions wear big red "A"s on their chests.
I doubt that a bill that makes a legal medical procedure liable for the death penalty will pass. The bill, however, shows an astonishing lack of concern for women's health and well-being. Under Rep. Franklin's bill, HB 1, women who miscarry could become felons if they cannot prove that there was "no human involvement whatsoever in the causation" of their miscarriage. There is no clarification of what "human involvement" means, and this is hugely problematic as medical doctors do not know exactly what causes miscarriages. Miscarriages are estimated to terminate up to a quarter of all pregnancies and the Mayo Clinic says that "the actual number is probably much higher because many miscarriages occur so early in pregnancy that a woman doesn't even know she's pregnant. Most miscarriages occur because the fetus isn't developing normally."
Holding women criminally liable for a totally natural, common biological process is cruel and non-sensical. Even more ridiculous, the bill holds women responsible for protecting their fetuses from "the moment of conception," despite the fact that pregnancy tests aren't accurate until at least 3 weeks after conception. Unless Franklin (who is not a health professional) invents a revolutionary intrauterine conception alarm system, it's unclear how exactly the state of Georgia would enforce that rule other than holding all possibly-pregnant women under lock and key.
I've seen a lot of anti-woman, hate-filled bills this year, but this one takes the cake. And it's not just anti-woman, it's anti-logic. The bill contends that Georgia is exempt from upholding Supreme Court decisions like Roe v. Wade because the Constitution's Article I only governs five crimes: counterfeiting, piracy, high seas felonies, offenses against the law of nations, and treason. According to the bill, since murder is not one of those five crimes, it should be solely governed by the state. The bill also mandates that doctors must try to save the mother and the fetus, even though as we know, there are many situations in which both cannot be saved. It also changes medical terminology, re-designating all zygotes, embryos, and concepti as fetuses. In the bill's logic, a fertilized egg is the same as a person, and its destruction is murder. Sometimes even a fertilized egg will fail to adhere to the uterine lining, so would that make a uterus a murderer? At least the bill doesn't propose instituting pro-life Stork Bucks or outlawing "space abortions"...yet.
Link.
'Prenatal murder' means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder. Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.
This is the same guy who did the 'accusers' and not 'victims' in rape cases.
As it is written, I don't see how any one would be convicted. As the article said, over 25% of pregnancies end naturally, without the woman's knowledge. If she goes to a hospital bleeding, I doubt they would ask for proof it was 'natural'.
Just seems a new way to define abortion. I guess this guy has an obsession with making laws.
This is the same guy who did the 'accusers' and not 'victims' in rape cases.
As it is written, I don't see how any one would be convicted. As the article said, over 25% of pregnancies end naturally, without the woman's knowledge. If she goes to a hospital bleeding, I doubt they would ask for proof it was 'natural'.
Just seems a new way to define abortion. I guess this guy has an obsession with making laws.
quote:Originally posted by Celly:
And it continues ...quote:Ga. Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages
— By Jen Phillips
| Wed Feb. 23, 2011 4:32 AM PST
It's only February, but this year has been a tough one for women's health and reproductive rights. There's a new bill on the block that may have reached the apex (I hope) of woman-hating craziness. Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin—who last year proposed making rape and domestic violence "victims" into "accusers"—has introduced a 10-page bill that would criminalize miscarriages and make abortion in Georgia completely illegal. Both miscarriages and abortions would be potentially punishable by death: any "prenatal murder" in the words of the bill, including "human involvement" in a miscarriage, would be a felony and carry a penalty of life in prison or death. Basically, it's everything an "pro-life" activist could want aside from making all women who've had abortions wear big red "A"s on their chests.
I doubt that a bill that makes a legal medical procedure liable for the death penalty will pass. The bill, however, shows an astonishing lack of concern for women's health and well-being. Under Rep. Franklin's bill, HB 1, women who miscarry could become felons if they cannot prove that there was "no human involvement whatsoever in the causation" of their miscarriage. There is no clarification of what "human involvement" means, and this is hugely problematic as medical doctors do not know exactly what causes miscarriages. Miscarriages are estimated to terminate up to a quarter of all pregnancies and the Mayo Clinic says that "the actual number is probably much higher because many miscarriages occur so early in pregnancy that a woman doesn't even know she's pregnant. Most miscarriages occur because the fetus isn't developing normally."
Holding women criminally liable for a totally natural, common biological process is cruel and non-sensical. Even more ridiculous, the bill holds women responsible for protecting their fetuses from "the moment of conception," despite the fact that pregnancy tests aren't accurate until at least 3 weeks after conception. Unless Franklin (who is not a health professional) invents a revolutionary intrauterine conception alarm system, it's unclear how exactly the state of Georgia would enforce that rule other than holding all possibly-pregnant women under lock and key.
I've seen a lot of anti-woman, hate-filled bills this year, but this one takes the cake. And it's not just anti-woman, it's anti-logic. The bill contends that Georgia is exempt from upholding Supreme Court decisions like Roe v. Wade because the Constitution's Article I only governs five crimes: counterfeiting, piracy, high seas felonies, offenses against the law of nations, and treason. According to the bill, since murder is not one of those five crimes, it should be solely governed by the state. The bill also mandates that doctors must try to save the mother and the fetus, even though as we know, there are many situations in which both cannot be saved. It also changes medical terminology, re-designating all zygotes, embryos, and concepti as fetuses. In the bill's logic, a fertilized egg is the same as a person, and its destruction is murder. Sometimes even a fertilized egg will fail to adhere to the uterine lining, so would that make a uterus a murderer? At least the bill doesn't propose instituting pro-life Stork Bucks or outlawing "space abortions"...yet.
Link.
You seem hellbent on your right to snuff out an innocent life that you irresponsibly created. You are disgusting. I doubt you really have to worry about it if you are as lazy of a wh0re as your opinions would leave one to think. The only "men" who would touch a woman like that are impotent bastards like Mr. D1ldohead and Opie Cuminmouth.
Wooden, I know you would like all women to be submissive to your inferior self, but life just doesn't work that way. Women are equal to men and in a lot of respects, far superior.
I'm done with you. I've given you far more attention than you deserve as it is.
I'm done with you. I've given you far more attention than you deserve as it is.
quote:Originally posted by Celly:
Wooden, I know you would like all women to be submissive to your inferior self, but life just doesn't work that way. Women are equal to men and in a lot of respects, far superior.
I'm done with you. I've given you far more attention than you deserve as it is.
No, sweetheart-women are not inferior to me. Women are the grandest thing in this old world of ours. I love women. My wife is my pride and joy and the best thing that is ever happened to me. When she got pregnant with our first son, it was not planned. She had the baby-never once considering murder. It changed both of our lives for the better.
quote:Wooden, I know you would like all women to be submissive to your inferior self, but life just doesn't work that way. Women are equal to men and in a lot of respects, far superior.
Well, if you personally are so superior than you certainly should know that having sex can lead to a pregnancy and take proper precautions. As I said, I wanted two children and I had two children. Then we took permanent measures (surgery) to insure there would be no more pregnancies. If by some unforeseen reason , I had gotten pregnant with the third child, I sure as heck wouldn't be crying to others that they had to help me with it. The child would be as loved and cared for as the two we had.
It's embarassing how some women make other women look stupid by demanding that others take on the responsibility of their pregnancies. Taxpayers don't force you to have sex, why in the world do you think they should pay for any result of it?
What on earth does making miscarriage illegal have to do with having unprotected sex? Did I ever, here or elsewhere, advocate for unprotected sex?
This is about a woman having the say over what happens to her own body. I'm for birth control, and sex education and for women AND men to be equipped with both.
This is about a woman having the say over what happens to her own body. I'm for birth control, and sex education and for women AND men to be equipped with both.
quote:Originally posted by Celly:
What on earth does making miscarriage illegal have to do with having unprotected sex? Did I ever, here or elsewhere, advocate for unprotected sex?
This is about a woman having the say over what happens to her own body. I'm for birth control, and sex education and for women AND men to be equipped with both.
Sweetheart, birth control is exercised to beforehand to Prevent pregnancy. Abortion is premeditated murder committed after the pregnancy has been discovered. Nobody wants to deny the woman the right to choose what happens to her own body; just exercise right while yours is the only life affected-not after the fact.
If abortions are murder, then miscarriages are manslaughter, plain and simple. And, there are millions more miscarriages every year than abortions. At least 50% of women are heartless killers, at least if they live in GA.
Abortions are murder, and doing something on purpose to bring about a miscarriage is too.quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
If abortions are murder, then miscarriages are manslaughter, plain and simple. And, there are millions more miscarriages every year than abortions. At least 50% of women are heartless killers, at least if they live in GA.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
If abortions are murder, then miscarriages are manslaughter, plain and simple. And, there are millions more miscarriages every year than abortions. At least 50% of women are heartless killers, at least if they live in GA.
How can abortion be anything but murder?
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Wrong ditto.
Those military personnel volunteered, that fetus did not volunteer to die.
I don't think dead non-combatants volunteered either.
"Only in America can you be Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-War, Pro-Unmanned Drone Bombs, Pro-Nuclear Weapons, Pro-Guns, Pro-Torture, Pro-Land Mines, AND still call yourself 'Pro-Life.'" – John Fugelsang
quote:Originally posted by Connie2:
"Only in America can you be Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-War, Pro-Unmanned Drone Bombs, Pro-Nuclear Weapons, Pro-Guns, Pro-Torture, Pro-Land Mines, AND still call yourself 'Pro-Life.'" – John Fugelsang
Fugelsang? Now there's an intellect to be reckoned with....
quote:Originally posted by jefft:quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Wrong ditto.
Those military personnel volunteered, that fetus did not volunteer to die.
I don't think dead non-combatants volunteered either.
Hmm... soooo the fetuses could be considered "collateral damage" in Margaret Sanger's twisted, racist eugenics dream... interesting...
I didn't defend abortion. 'Just called out the "only volunteers are dying in war" card.
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:Abortions are murder, and doing something on purpose to bring about a miscarriage is too.quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
If abortions are murder, then miscarriages are manslaughter, plain and simple. And, there are millions more miscarriages every year than abortions. At least 50% of women are heartless killers, at least if they live in GA.
Abortions aren't murder, they're the termination of a pregnancy prior to the fetus being viable.
quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:Abortions are murder, and doing something on purpose to bring about a miscarriage is too.quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
If abortions are murder, then miscarriages are manslaughter, plain and simple. And, there are millions more miscarriages every year than abortions. At least 50% of women are heartless killers, at least if they live in GA.
Abortions aren't murder, they're the termination of a pregnancy prior to the fetus being viable.
So how is it someone can be charged with double murder if say a DUI chump hits and kills a pregnant lady? It's either a viable life or it's not, does not depend upon who does the killing.
They can be charged, convicted and serve time up until there is a precedent set by the SCOTUS, at which time the laws that make the death of an unborn fetus a murder will be thrown out.