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Air rifle shot kills teen girl
Wednesday, December 13, 2006
By RON COLQUITT
Staff Reporter
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A 14-year-old girl died early Tuesday at University of Sout Alabama Children's & Women's Hospital after being shot in the head Monday evening with an air rifle a police spokesman described as similar to a BB gun, authorities said.

Officer Eric Gallichant, the Mobile police spokesman, identified the dead teen as Lindsey Warren, an eighth-grader at Katherine Hankins Middle School in Theodore.

Gallichant said the girl knew the boy who fired the shot, and the boy had not been arrested as of Tuesday afternoon. The spokesman would not give the boy's name or age.

As of late Tuesday, police had not determined the events of the shooting that occurred at about 5 p.m. Monday. Gallichant said he did not know where Warren lived. The Theodore home where she was shot was under construction, he said.

"Officers responded to 6509 Bellwood Drive West for a report of one shot," Gallichant said. "When the officers arrived on the scene, they discovered a female victim ... who had been shot in the head with an air rifle."

Asked to better describe the air rifle, Gallichant said it was "similar to a BB gun."

He said Warren first was taken to the University of South Alabama Medical Center then transferred to USA Children's and Women's Hospital "where she died from her injuries."

Gallichant said, "Members of the homicide unit were notified and responded to the scene to conduct the investigation. Their initial investigation revealed that Lindsey had been shot while on the premises."

Nancy Pierce, Mobile County public schools system spokeswoman, said late Tuesday that four counselors were sent to Hankins on Tuesday to talk with students one-on-one.

"It is such a tragedy," Pierce said. "People always talk about how sad it is at the holiday time because people are always with their family. But it is a tragedy no matter when it happens. We are truly saddened as a school system to lose one of our own. "

According to Pyramid Air Gun Mall's Web site, an air gun shoots a projectile using the force of pressurized air or a similar gas such as carbon dioxide, rather than by the pressure generated by gunpowder. Air guns can fire the common, round BB or pellets. There are three main types of air guns according to Pyramid:

A pneumatic air gun holds a stored charge of compressed air for one or several shots. The air can be pressurized by a pump that is part of the gun or it can be introduced from a separate source like a hand pump or a scuba tank.

A spring gun uses a powerful spring to push a piston that rapidly compresses air inside a chamber. Spring guns do not store air; they release it instantly -- just after they compress it.

The more powerful CO2 gun holds liquid carbon dioxide that evaporates to gas at very high pressure. Like the pneumatic, this gun has a valve that releases a portion of high-pressure gas with each shot.

A government Web site, www.pubmed.gov, which is operated by the National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health, quotes a 1982 medical assessment of air rifles and BB guns:

"Multiple-pump action air rifles have penetration velocities far in excess of the classic Daisy 'BB' guns. However, these lethal weapons are sold to be used by children. Lack of effective regulatory legislation coupled with parental ignorance will continue to allow for serious injuries and deaths in children. Physicians should be aware of the potential lethality of any air gun injuries."

The Web site -- www.bb-guns.org -- offers the following safety tips:

Treat all BB guns as if they are loaded, and never assume that one is not loaded.

Never point a BB gun at anyone, even if it is not loaded.

Do not shoot at a target if someone is near the target.

Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

Always use protective eyewear.

Keep in mind that BBs can ricochet off flat or hard surfaces and strike you or someone else.

Never allow minors -- a person under 18 -- to shoot any type of gun without adult supervision.

Do not carry a loaded BB gun when climbing over fences or up trees or even when jumping.

(Staff Reporter Rena Havner contributed to this report.)
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
Watch MICHAEL MOORE'S Bowling for Columbine. It is available at the Florence/Lauderdale Public Library, if some NRA nut hasn't stolen it again (have no fear I have ANOTHER copy to donate).


I know of kids that have been killed playing baseball and football. Are you going to ban those sports also?
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
Watch MICHAEL MOORE'S Bowling for Columbine. It is available at the Florence/Lauderdale Public Library, if some NRA nut hasn't stolen it again (have no fear I have ANOTHER copy to donate).


MADDOG 20/20: keep drinking the Michael Moron Kool-Aide....

This Endowment-Life NRA member here dares you, no, DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU (in keeping the spirt of SL's original post) to come over to my house, and demand to take away my firearms....something the 2nd Amendment guarantees me and believe it or not, YOU, the right to keep. If you hate guns so bad, I am sure that there is a commune in the gun-hating People's Republik of Kalifornia awaiting for you to join them......

Back to topic. ALL weapons, reguardless if they are operated by air, water, fire, rubber sling, etc. should be operated responsibly. People it seems today forget that there are 2-10th order of effects after you do something. Once done, all that is left is the regret.
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
Brotha, when did shooting someone with a BB gun become a sport? Marksmanship is a "skill" not a sport! Hunting involves marksmanship, it is not a sport. Sure marksmanship takes practice, but when did you see two teams (other than unnecessary conflicts) spar off and shot each other and their was a winner with a final score?


Shooting someone with a BB gun is not a sport...it's an assault. But, marksmanship IS a skill used in a sport. Various disciplines of shooting are sports, and have been for years. You'd have a hard time convincing the International Olympic Committee that shooting isn't a sport. There are shooting sports in the winter and summer games. Trap, skeet, biathalon, and modern pentathalon, and various other disciplines are all shot at the Olympics. If you don't think shooting is a sport, you should watch two competitors at the Bianchi Cup, trying to outdo each other's times and scores. A sport is an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition.

As far as two teams squaring off and shooting at each other.....it's not the object of baseball, football, and basketball to hit the other team's players with the ball or bat. But there have and will again be people hurt by baseball bats being used for criminal purposes.

And as far as that loony Michael Moore, his take on that tragic incident (Columbine) is so far off base and inaccurate (actually false and fictional)that it's obscene.
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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The 2nd amendment is what keeps our country safe.




uh...safe from what? crime is at an all time high...the feds do what they want...just how is citizens toting guns keeping anything safe?


Don't know where you get your facts....report I read from the FBI shows violent crime is down nationwide for the last two years. And the "all time high" was in the '80's...about 20 years ago.

Citizens "toting" guns exercise their right to protect themselves from violent criminals. And, btw, the milita is the people, the citizenry who may have to defend their country, against enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Don't know where you get your facts....report I read from the FBI shows violent crime is down nationwide for the last two years. And the "all time high" was in the '80's...about 20 years ago.


Your source is for federal crimes...and...you should have learned you lesson about believing them on Iraqs WMDs.


Go here and proper analysis will give you (at least) an idea.


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And, btw, the milita is the people, the citizenry who may have to defend their country, against enemies, foreign and domestic.


Wrong...not just anyone.


mi·li·tia /mɪˈlɪʃə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mi-lish-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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something the 2nd Amendment guarantees me and believe it or not, YOU, the right to keep.



What 'militia' do you belong to?


Well, if I wasn't in the Regular U.S. Army like I am now, I would be in the recognized militia of the U.S. Every able-bodied male, 16-65 years old, is historically what is considered the militia.

So, Mott the Hoople, if you are under 16, and over 65, then you are out. However, if you are 16-65, and a national emergency were to arise, that means you.

BTW, the National Guard is NOT the militia...NG came into being in the late 19th century (will have to look up the date).

The media has twisted the word "militia" to include domestic terrorism groups. I find it offensive. The Michigan Militia that got famous/infamous around the time of Klinton grew out of defiance of the AWB and other 2nd Amendment abuses. I would consider them a lawful miliita. Hec, the neighborhood watch could be considered the militia. I have spoken with Katrina survivors who defended their property form hoodlums and the like. I consider them, and they considered themselves, a miliita.
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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Don't know where you get your facts....report I read from the FBI shows violent crime is down nationwide for the last two years. And the "all time high" was in the '80's...about 20 years ago.


Your source is for federal crimes...and...you should have learned you lesson about believing them on Iraqs WMDs.


Go here and proper analysis will give you (at least) an idea.


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And, btw, the milita is the people, the citizenry who may have to defend their country, against enemies, foreign and domestic.


Wrong...not just anyone.


mi·li·tia /mɪˈlɪʃə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mi-lish-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.


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Used YOUR link...crime rate in Alabama is the lowest since 2000. I'd copy and paste it here, but I can't do that from an Adobe Acrobat document. BTW, FBI's "Crime in the US" report is a compilation of reported crimes from STATE and LOCAL law enforcement...not Federal crimes.

As for a the definition of a militia, I didn't say just anybody...I said the citizenry. Look at section two and three of your own post....

2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.

3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.

CITIZEN SOLDIERS.....sounds like they may have to defend their country, and they are not professional, standing army soldiers......

ELIGIBLE FOR MILITARY SERVICE...not in the service, but elegible....those who might have to defend their country, who are elegible to do so.....
Several studies show the presence of a firearm deters 2 to 2.5 million crimes a year. Supposedly more peaceful societies with extreme gun control have much higher crime rates. London has twice the violent crime of New York City. Sweden has twice the murder rate of the US.

Also National Guard term dates from about 1800, copied from the french.
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
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"I'd copy and paste it here, but I can't do that from an Adobe Acrobat document."
Why not?

It's possible for me to do that, and have done it to cite or cross-reference sources numerous times.


Don't know. Possibly some of my computer skills are lacking :-) May be that the particular document I was trying to copy from was blocked to prevent that. Would have preferred that I could, and I did try.
Brentenmen, Motha and I think another one or two, I knew I would get slammed by mentioning Michael Moore. On this point we will have to just agree to disagree. If you view any of his documentaries with an OPEN MIND (which unfortunately is not even allowed in some Republican circles) they are extremely on target. No where in Bowling for Columbine does Michael state the you can't have your guns. Just investigates the murder rate in the US compared to that of other countries, Canada was the one that interested me most. They actually have more guns per capita than the US yet have one tenth of the murders. It is the American physicology and history that makes us such a violent people and the scare tactics used by the media. After all: If it bleeds, it leads. And I find it amusing now that all the right wing practically banned Fahrenheit 911, EVERY word in the film has came to pass. So, think what you want of Michael Moore, I will continue to watch and read whatever he produces because he is one of the people I trust, the list has grown VERY short over the past few years.
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
Sure marksmanship takes practice, but when did you see two teams (other than unnecessary conflicts) spar off and shot each other and their was a winner with a final score?


The USA's Olympic shooting teams, to start: Airgun, smallbore, high-powered rifle, trap/skeet and blackpowder, respectively.

http://www.usashooting.com/
http://usolympicteam.org/11716_40582.htm
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
Alacharger:

Read the words below carefully



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Go here and proper analysis will give you (at least) an idea.


You mean like this????
There were 188,550 crimes reported in 2005, a 4% decrease from 2004.
The crime rate for the state was 4,136.9 per 100,000 inhabitants.
On a daily average, there were 517 Part I offenses reported.
The total property value stolen in 2005 was $213,094,770; 17% was
recovered.
There were 348 Law Enforcement Officers assaulted in 2005; 49% received
serious injuries and 51% received minimal or no injuries.

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