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Windsong why do you think that the bible's knowledge is useless? There are thousands of people turn to God in prayer when they are sick, or times of trouble, when a member of their family is dieing, and so many other times. That's because the bible and prayer eases your pain and helps you to cope with the things that life puts in your way. It's hard in this world, but without God and his teachings then I would be worthless. He may not give you what you want or when you want it, but it says ask and you shall recieve.
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I can't spell dieing either.

Lah, let's say I prayed to a loaf of raisin bread. It may not give me what I want, or when I want it. That could mean never, of course.

Ask and I shall receive? How many people who really could use the money pray to hit the Lotto every day? Will they all receive? Chances are, almost all of them will die in poverty.

My dear friend, use your head. Use your eyes, your ears, your brain. Even your heart. Could a god be as cruel as the one supposed to rule the Earth?

Be well.

nsns
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
I can't spell dieing either.

Lah, let's say I prayed to a loaf of raisin bread. It may not give me what I want, or when I want it. That could mean never, of course.

Ask and I shall receive? How many people who really could use the money pray to hit the Lotto every day? Will they all receive? Chances are, almost all of them will die in poverty.

My dear friend, use your head. Use your eyes, your ears, your brain. Even your heart. Could a god be as cruel as the one supposed to rule the Earth?

Be well.

nsns
Deep, the danger here in your analogy is that the ‘cruel’ God you specify could, in the end, turn out to be more cruel than you wish to imagine. Could be “we ain’t seen noithin’ yet”.

The pitchfork could be a minor scrape compared the ultimate punishment God has in store for those that have committed the un-pardonable sin. Yours & Co.’s constant blasphemy is surely going to draw the attention of those beings in the depths of hell commissioned to mete out punishment.

As it stands now, Bro. Bill is your only hope. He has finessed a way out of this mess you are in by dead reckoning alone.
SmilerI know,when you can find someone who can spell dieing, let me know how. First of all the love of money is the rough of all evil. The bible and knowledge gives me the strength to go on. I have a termal illness and it conforts me to know that He is there to help me through it.Everyone has their opinions, but if not for God I would be scare and lost. Thanks Not Shallow Not Slim.
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
I can't spell dieing either.

Lah, let's say I prayed to a loaf of raisin bread. It may not give me what I want, or when I want it. That could mean never, of course.

Ask and I shall receive? How many people who really could use the money pray to hit the Lotto every day? Will they all receive? Chances are, almost all of them will die in poverty.

My dear friend, use your head. Use your eyes, your ears, your brain. Even your heart. Could a god be as cruel as the one supposed to rule the Earth?

Be well.

nsns
How about Dying? I knew y'all knew it all along.

Actually many, especially Gentiles, fail to realize that significance Jesus Christ has with human's (man/woman) relation to God. Before Jesus Christ (the Messiah) came man/woman had a very distant relationship with God and one controlled by the Priest who could not, himself, enter into God's presence but once a year in order to offer sacrifice for man/woman's sins, including his own. Before Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit God's word and message, unto man/woman was brought and taught by the Priest, opening up the scrolls and teaching. After Christ and God's Holy Spirit indwelling man/woman then God's message and truth were taught directly unto each person (man/woman) by the Holy Spirit of God confirming God's word and will unto Man/Woman directly. God's message and word unto man/woman revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures of God, the Bible, assembled from the manuscripts of the Old Testament along with the Gospels of the New Testaments and the words to God's Church restating the teachings of Jesus Christ unto His disciples.

Christ sacrifice, on the cross, His shedding of blood, for our sins, enabled human (man/woman) to have a very unique but personal relationship with God. No person/human could ever approach God's presence but through Christ and with Salvation (man's sins covered by Christ perfect blood) God's Holy Spirit actually could and does indwell (live within) man/woman's body existing alongside and with man/woman's inner created spirit/soul.

The relationship is a very intimate and personal one, and a life altering/changing one. Attributes which come with the indwelling Holy Spirit are spoken of throughout Scripture but never so concise as with Galatians 5:22-25

Galatians 5:22-25 (CEV) 22 God's Spirit makes us loving, happy, peaceful, patient, kind, good, faithful, 23 gentle, and self-controlled. There is no law against behaving in any of these ways. 24 And because we belong to Christ Jesus, we have killed our selfish feelings and desires. 25 God's Spirit has given us life, and so we should follow the Spirit.

NSNS you mention Prayers and praying for the lottery. There are many that pray for lots of things, lottery, health, wealth etc. Christians/believers are instructed to pray for God's Will or in accordance with God's will. Additionally it is also through God's Holy Spirit that we/Christians are able to pray. The Holy Spirit intercedes for us unto God in words that cannot be spoken and in accordance with the will of God.

Jesus Christ not only changed the way that Man Relates to God but the way that God relates unto man/woman. The change comes in the Holy Spirit who was promised, by God/Jesus in John 14

John 14:15-21 (CEV) 15 Jesus said to his disciples: If you love me, you will do as I command. 16 Then I will ask the Father to send you the Holy Spirit who will help you and always be with you . 17 The Spirit will show you what is true . The people of this world cannot accept the Spirit, because they don't see or know him. But you know the Spirit, who is with you and will keep on living in you . 18 I won't leave you like orphans. I will come back to you. 19 In a little while the people of this world won't be able to see me, but you will see me. And because I live, you will live. 20 Then you will know that I am one with the Father. You will know that you are one with me, and I am one with you. 21 If you love me, you will do what I have said, and my Father will love you. I will also love you and show you what I am like.

I realize it still may seem, to many, as fiction or pie in the sky hopes but I believe that God will reveal to those that look and seek Him, the truth and message that He has to give. It is hope for many and comfort to those who need comfort most. No one is forced to really believe and many believe it's just a delusion or the fooling of ourselves. Still if one is to be scientific about it, and I'm not saying that it can be scientifically proved or disproved, the chance of the possibility must also be considered as existing. Our statement is that much cannot be scientifically proven because Faith or God exist within the Spiritual Realm, apart from the Physical, and Science can only see, touch, and recognize the Physical realm.
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Originally posted by LAH:
Windsong why do you think that the bible's knowledge is useless? There are thousands of people turn to God in prayer when they are sick, or times of trouble, when a member of their family is dieing, and so many other times. That's because the bible and prayer eases your pain and helps you to cope with the things that life puts in your way. It's hard in this world, but without God and his teachings then I would be worthless. He may not give you what you want or when you want it, but it says ask and you shall recieve.


Why are you picking on Windsong? If you want to preach to someone, preach to Bill Gray. He needs it much more than Windsong but I can tell you, it won't do any good.

You're kind of contradicting yourself in saying "He may not give you what you want or when you want it but it says ask and you shall receive".
Why ask if He's not going to give it & why would He not give it if He said He would? Confused
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by LAH:
Windsong why do you think that the bible's knowledge is useless? There are thousands of people turn to God in prayer when they are sick, or times of trouble, when a member of their family is dieing, and so many other times. That's because the bible and prayer eases your pain and helps you to cope with the things that life puts in your way. It's hard in this world, but without God and his teachings then I would be worthless. He may not give you what you want or when you want it, but it says ask and you shall recieve.


Why are you picking on Windsong? If you want to preach to someone, preach to Bill Gray. He needs it much more than Windsong but I can tell you, it won't do any good.

You're kind of contradicting yourself in saying "He may not give you what you want or when you want it but it says ask and you shall receive".
Why ask if He's not going to give it & why would He not give it if He said He would? Confused
EekerI'm not picking on anyone, I, like you am just voiceing my oppinion.I for one certainly need the knowledge of the bible, but I cannot judge anyone. I was just asking a question and not picking on NO ONE!Sorry Wind Song if I offended you it was nothing personal. For instance if you ask for forgiveness he forgives you. You may not believe it, but you can read it.
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I have a termal illness


My dear LAH,

I, too, have a terminal disease. It's called life.

I do regret your affliction. No one gets out alive, though.

Do you fear death? I do not. I'm ready, if not willing, to go at any time now. And the time before me is less than the time behind me, if that's of any interesting information.

It almost occurs to me that I will never have the time to rectify my failures and catch up on my aspirations. I rather imagine this makes me human. Still, every day I wake up is a gift. From whom, I don't know, most likely nothing more than impassionate Nature herself. I'm good with that. I'm serious when I tell you I might have two more days or ten thousand more, it makes little difference. I would go with the gift of having understood, and that is what I would take with me, given that gift.

I wish you well. I do.

nsns
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Originally posted by LAH:
Windsong why do you think that the bible's knowledge is useless? There are thousands of people turn to God in prayer when they are sick, or times of trouble, when a member of their family is dieing, and so many other times. That's because the bible and prayer eases your pain and helps you to cope with the things that life puts in your way. It's hard in this world, but without God and his teachings then I would be worthless. He may not give you what you want or when you want it, but it says ask and you shall recieve.

"i before e except after c"

It is so sad that you would feel worthless without your imaginary friend. Perhaps your insurance would cover some therapy?
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
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Originally posted by LAH:
Windsong why do you think that the bible's knowledge is useless? There are thousands of people turn to God in prayer when they are sick, or times of trouble, when a member of their family is dieing, and so many other times. That's because the bible and prayer eases your pain and helps you to cope with the things that life puts in your way. It's hard in this world, but without God and his teachings then I would be worthless. He may not give you what you want or when you want it, but it says ask and you shall recieve.

"i before e except after c"

It is so sad that you would feel worthless without your imaginary friend. Perhaps your insurance would cover some therapy?


jimi.. .you amused me until now.
now you're just an arrogant selfish pratt.
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
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Originally posted by LAH:
Windsong why do you think that the bible's knowledge is useless? There are thousands of people turn to God in prayer when they are sick, or times of trouble, when a member of their family is dieing, and so many other times. That's because the bible and prayer eases your pain and helps you to cope with the things that life puts in your way. It's hard in this world, but without God and his teachings then I would be worthless. He may not give you what you want or when you want it, but it says ask and you shall recieve.

"i before e except after c"

It is so sad that you would feel worthless without your imaginary friend. Perhaps your insurance would cover some therapy?


jimi.. .you amused me until now.
now you're just an arrogant selfish pratt.


Perhaps, but I am also correct.
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:

"i before e except after c"

It is so sad that you would feel worthless without your imaginary friend. Perhaps your insurance would cover some therapy?


jimi.. .you amused me until now.
now you're just an arrogant selfish pratt.


Perhaps, but I am also correct.[/QUOTE]
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jemi says----"i before e except after c"

But jami,,, thats not always right, like you are seldom right.

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Originally posted by LAH:
I know,when you can find someone who can spell dieing, let me know how. First of all the love of money is the rough of all evil. The bible and knowledge gives me the strength to go on. I have a termal illness and it conforts me to know that He is there to help me through it.Everyone has their opinions, but if not for God I would be scare and lost. Thanks Not Shallow Not Slim.


D-y-i-n-g would be the correct spelling. Smiler

The word is "root" of all evil. Big Grin
Love of money is not truly "the root of ALL evil." It was not this root that led to the original transgression of Adam and Eve.
Evil first manifested itself when there was no money. Lucifer’s rebellion was prompted by pride, not money. Some symptoms of evil is conceit, envy, strife, malicious talk, & evil suspicions. There is the mention of evil several places in the Bible.

I'm sorry if you have a Terminal illness. Some people will swear to the fact that God can & will heal. I've never seen Him do that but maybe you should try it?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by semiannualchick:

Love of money is not truly "the root of ALL evil." It was not this root that led to the original transgression of Adam and Eve.
Evil first manifested itself when there was no money. Lucifer’s rebellion was prompted by pride, not money. Some symptoms of evil is conceit, envy, strife, malicious talk, & evil suspicions. There is the mention of evil several places in the Bible.

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You might be off in a different direction or your opinion.

Jesus said that money is the root of all evil.
I have thought the sins of the flesh was the root of all evil.

My opinion now is with the money.

.
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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
You might be off in a different direction or your opinion.

Jesus said that money is the root of all evil.
I have thought the sins of the flesh was the root of all evil.

My opinion now is with the money.


I don't know why you would think I was off in another direction. Confused

Jesus didn't say Money is the root of all evil. He said the Love of money.
1st Timothy 6:10: "For the love of money is the root of all evil", though it says more than just that.

That verse is often misquoted. It doesn’t even have to be money that we love, but anything that we put first in our lives, before God.
If it were the ROOT of all evil, then nothing good could come from it. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit---Mat.7.18

The word Evil is mentioned approx. 611 times, so I'm sure it's not just love of money that is evil.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
You might be off in a different direction or your opinion.

Jesus said that money is the root of all evil.
I have thought the sins of the flesh was the root of all evil.

My opinion now is with the money.


I don't know why you would think I was off in another direction. Confused

Jesus didn't say Money is the root of all evil. He said the Love of money.
1st Timothy 6:10: "For the love of money is the root of all evil", though it says more than just that.

That verse is often misquoted. It doesn’t even have to be money that we love, but anything that we put first in our lives, before God.
If it were the ROOT of all evil, then nothing good could come from it. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit---Mat.7.18

The word Evil is mentioned approx. 611 times, so I'm sure it's not just love of money that is evil.

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Oh OK semi, Go with it the way you know it should be, you're going to
know more about it.
I believe I was thinking of something different.

.
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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
You might be off in a different direction or your opinion.

Jesus said that money is the root of all evil.
I have thought the sins of the flesh was the root of all evil.

My opinion now is with the money.


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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
I don't know why you would think I was off in another direction. Confused

Jesus didn't say Money is the root of all evil. He said the Love of money.
1st Timothy 6:10: "For the love of money is the root of all evil", though it says more than just that.

That verse is often misquoted. It doesn’t even have to be money that we love, but anything that we put first in our lives, before God.
If it were the ROOT of all evil, then nothing good could come from it. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit---Mat.7.18

The word Evil is mentioned approx. 611 times, so I'm sure it's not just love of money that is evil.


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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
Oh OK semi, Go with it the way you know it should be, you're going to know more about it.
I believe I was thinking of something different.


No, I don't know more about it. I'm learning every day & willing to learn anything anyone can teach me.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were thinking of something different. Smiler
Actually regarding the mention of Money and the root of evil here a a couple of actual wordings of the verse.

1 Timothy 6:10 (NIV) 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil . Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

another translation reads

1 Timothy 6:10 (CEV) 10 The love of money causes all kinds of trouble . Some people want money so much that they have given up their faith and caused themselves a lot of pain.

A version that is often mentioned as a closer word for word translation reads:

1 Timothy 6:10 (NASB) 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil , and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


Personally I don't view this as saying that money or the love of money is the root of ALL evil or evils. This precise wording is also not attributed directly to Christ as it is written in 1 Timothy a book attributed to Paul who was not one of those who sat directly under the teachings of Christ. This is not to say that it is not what Christ would have said or maybe did teach at one point in His earthly ministry.

Regarding the initial sin, in the Garden I know that there are many who certainly do not believe the Bible to be the Word of God and I realize that many do not believe in the Creation story, Adam, or Eve but for clarity I will cite the particular section of Genesis that references "the Fall"

Genesis 3:1-6 (CEV) 1 The snake was sneakier than any of the other wild animals that the LORD God had made. One day it came to the woman and asked, "Did God tell you not to eat fruit from any tree in the garden?" 2 The woman answered, "God said we could eat fruit from any tree in the garden, 3 except the one in the middle. He told us not to eat fruit from that tree or even to touch it. If we do, we will die." 4 "No, you won't!" the snake replied. 5 "God understands what will happen on the day you eat fruit from that tree. You will see what you have done, and you will know the difference between right and wrong, just as God does. " 6 The woman stared at the fruit. It looked beautiful and tasty. She wanted the wisdom that it would give her, and she ate some of the fruit. Her husband was there with her, so she gave some to him, and he ate it too.


Some say that sin is basically doing that which God instructs not to do, violating God's Will in other words. The thought of many is that the desire to be LIKE God or to be AS God was the first sin.

Anyway just thought I would contribute that to the discussion.
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
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Originally posted by LAH:
Windsong why do you think that the bible's knowledge is useless? There are thousands of people turn to God in prayer when they are sick, or times of trouble, when a member of their family is dieing, and so many other times. That's because the bible and prayer eases your pain and helps you to cope with the things that life puts in your way. It's hard in this world, but without God and his teachings then I would be worthless. He may not give you what you want or when you want it, but it says ask and you shall recieve.

"i before e except after c"

It is so sad that you would feel worthless without your imaginary friend. Perhaps your insurance would cover some therapy?


jimi.. .you amused me until now.
now you're just an arrogant selfish pratt.


Perhaps, but I am also correct.



yup. that's my goal as well.
always be right, regardless of how many people i hurt unnecessarily, no matter how many time i belittle someones loss or the pain it brings.. keep slapping them with what i believe to be the truth.
who needs compassion or empathy or just plain old kindness.
it's over rated, as long as i get to be right.
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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:

"i before e except after c"

It is so sad that you would feel worthless without your imaginary friend. Perhaps your insurance would cover some therapy?


jimi.. .you amused me until now.
now you're just an arrogant selfish pratt.


Perhaps, but I am also correct.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

jemi says----"i before e except after c"

But jami,,, thats not always right, like you are seldom right.

.[/QUOTE]

I am never "Right". I am always "Left".

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