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It is, in fact, silliness incarnate! Any intelligent reader of the document will see that it does not point the finger at any and all persons on the right wing side of issues. It repeatedly makes reference to right wing EXTREMISTS and TERRORISTS, i.e. to those groups that might be involved in future violent activity, and it qualifies and clarifies the matter throughout in the manner by which it describes the groups that are identified. For example:

"rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements."

"white supremacist lone wolves"

"large numbersof potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists"

"Many rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a
threat to their right to bear arms and in response have increased weapons and ammunition
stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises."

"During the 1990s, these issues contributed to
the growth in the number of domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups and an
increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks,
and infrastructure sectors."

"domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence,
but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about
several emergent issues."

So--If you ARE an extremist or a terrorist, this report might be referring to you, but if you merely hold conservative views, then it does not. That is plain for all to see, except the terminally dense!

Shame on the opportunistic seizure of this report in a deranged effort to mischaracterize it as some kind of condemnation of anyone or everyone with conservative views! It simply is NOT that.
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Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
Betern, you forgot to include the many elaborate references to left-wing extremists in the report. Please edit your post or make a new post that includes those.

Power to the people,

HHP


If you will identify those left wing-related references, I will comment specifically on each of them.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Please note that the report on left wing groups named them by name. Including those such as ELF which have recently committed terrorist acts.


Please note that the report that I was commenting on was the one on RIGHT WING EXTREMIST GROUPS. THAT report is the one that got so many right winger panties in a wad. Please feel free to comment on WHAT I POSTED about the actual content of that report and the obvious misrepresentation of it by the right wing fussbudget paranoid sore losers (such as the truly pitiful Michelle Malkin) who have gotten themselves so unnecessarily rattled by it.
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Originally posted by beternU:
Please note that the report that I was commenting on was the one on RIGHT WING EXTREMIST GROUPS. THAT report is the one that got so many right winger panties in a wad. Please feel free to comment on WHAT I POSTED about the actual content of that report and the obvious misrepresentation of it by the right wing fussbudget paranoid sore losers (such as the truly pitiful Michelle Malkin) who have gotten themselves so unnecessarily rattled by it.


My bad Betern. Sometimes I think the right thing but my silly old fussbudget keyboard types something else. Please accept my apologies.

What I meant to write must've accidentally came out as "Hey, can you please deride anyone who disagrees with you, especially by calling them names?" I swear I am going to have to replace this keyboard or just get a new computer.

Anyway, I meant for you to list the left-wing extremists that should be watched as potential terrorists according the Obama administration.

You know what? It would be super keen if you would also list the core liberal values that were listed as precursors to terrorism in the same way that core conservative values were.

You're the man, B! If you can't do this, no one can!
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Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Please note that the report that I was commenting on was the one on RIGHT WING EXTREMIST GROUPS. THAT report is the one that got so many right winger panties in a wad. Please feel free to comment on WHAT I POSTED about the actual content of that report and the obvious misrepresentation of it by the right wing fussbudget paranoid sore losers (such as the truly pitiful Michelle Malkin) who have gotten themselves so unnecessarily rattled by it.


My bad Betern. Sometimes I think the right thing but my silly old fussbudget keyboard types something else. Please accept my apologies.

What I meant to write must've accidentally came out as "Hey, can you please deride anyone who disagrees with you, especially by calling them names?" I swear I am going to have to replace this keyboard or just get a new computer.

Anyway, I meant for you to list the left-wing extremists that should be watched as potential terrorists according the Obama administration.

You know what? It would be super keen if you would also list the core liberal values that were listed as precursors to terrorism in the same way that core conservative values were.

You're the man, B! If you can't do this, no one can!
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The really dangerous left wing extremists faded away to about nothing after the Viet Nam War era. THEY learned their lesson, namely that blowing up people and things does not generate much political capital. The lefty extremists of today are mostly the very nutty environmental terrorists such as ELF and the dingbat animal rights groups such as PETA (blowing up labs and releasing research animals).

The traits that were attributed to SOME extremist right wing groups were not presented as "precursors." A trait associated with some behavior is not necessarily a precursor leading to that behavior. In some cases, the Napolitano report stated that some proponents of particular issues "may" be involved in, or moving toward, terrorist activity. Holding views against abortion, for example, was not presented as something that is a "precursor" to terrorism. Extremist anti-abortion partisans might assassinate abortionists or blow up abortion clinics, but I know many folks who are sincerly anti-abortion who would never do or approve that kind of activity. Remember, it WAS the "right wing EXTREMISTS" that the report was describing, not just anyone or everyone with conservative views!
"In some cases, the Napolitano report stated that some proponents of particular issues 'may' be involved in, or moving toward, terrorist activity."

Splitting hairs. If I say that proponents of removing all illegally-placed political signage may be moving toward terrorism, then I am designating that issue as a precursor to terrorism. That's what happens when you attach a held value to an anticipated result.

Just sayin'
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Please note that the report that I was commenting on was the one on RIGHT WING EXTREMIST GROUPS. THAT report is the one that got so many right winger panties in a wad. Please feel free to comment on WHAT I POSTED about the actual content of that report and the obvious misrepresentation of it by the right wing fussbudget paranoid sore losers (such as the truly pitiful Michelle Malkin) who have gotten themselves so unnecessarily rattled by it.


My bad Betern. Sometimes I think the right thing but my silly old fussbudget keyboard types something else. Please accept my apologies.

What I meant to write must've accidentally came out as "Hey, can you please deride anyone who disagrees with you, especially by calling them names?" I swear I am going to have to replace this keyboard or just get a new computer.

Anyway, I meant for you to list the left-wing extremists that should be watched as potential terrorists according the Obama administration.

You know what? It would be super keen if you would also list the core liberal values that were listed as precursors to terrorism in the same way that core conservative values were.

You're the man, B! If you can't do this, no one can!
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The really dangerous left wing extremists faded away to about nothing after the Viet Nam War era. THEY learned their lesson, namely that blowing up people and things does not generate much political capital. The lefty extremists of today are mostly the very nutty environmental terrorists such as ELF and the dingbat animal rights groups such as PETA (blowing up labs and releasing research animals).

The traits that were attributed to SOME extremist right wing groups were not presented as "precursors." A trait associated with some behavior is not necessarily a precursor leading to that behavior. In some cases, the Napolitano report stated that some proponents of particular issues "may" be involved in, or moving toward, terrorist activity. Holding views against abortion, for example, was not presented as something that is a "precursor" to terrorism. Extremist anti-abortion partisans might assassinate abortionists or blow up abortion clinics, but I know many folks who are sincerly anti-abortion who would never do or approve that kind of activity. Remember, it WAS the "right wing EXTREMISTS" that the report was describing, not just anyone or everyone with conservative views!


The main truth is, there would be no extreme right wing if there wasn't left-wing radical extremest groups to worry about. Just a fact.
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Originally posted by interventor1:
If the report is so innoculous, why was it deliberately withheld from the public?


Perhaps some holdover from the Bush maladministration could answer that, since they set all kind of records for keeping information from the public!

By the way, that should be "innocuous."

But seriously, just how "secret" is a report that is sent to virtually every law enforcement agency (state, federal, municipal) in the country? DHS had every reason to believe that the report would find wide distribution. It was labeled "unclassified--for official use only," which is simply a way of stating that it was not developed or intended for distribution, for example, as a news release or otherwise to be intentionally distributed in a widespread manner. For people who wish to be better informed on this kind of thing, I commend the following:

Link
It's too funny.

I was just thinking that if Pres. Bush's administration had released a report saying how pro-amnesty types were heading toward terrorism, the left would have been all atwitter with rage. Protests all over the country. Code pink up in arms. Janeane Garofalo and Rosie the Hutt ranting in the airwaves. Bitternu would have oral diarrhea about how Bush should be drawn, quartered, and burned.

But anything the Obamenon does is just fine. As long as it's something that will weaken, balkanize, or otherwise marginalize America.

But perhaps there is something to fear. The left have just too many factions. They can't even agree among themselves. They'd all be a bunch of parlor pinks unless they had an overwhelming numerical advantage, then they revert to mob psychology.

Conservatives, vets, middle-America...what was once called "The Silent Majority"...are a force to be reckoned with and, if mobilized, horrifically dangerous. Perhaps the left should be terrified at the prospect of a mobilized, focused, conservative America. When we get past the tipping point, life as the left knows it may never be the same again.

Yamamoto is alleged to have said, after Pearl Harbor; "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve." The sleeping giant that is conservative America may be stirring, arousing from a troubled sleep, wondering, "Why has my country gone so terribly wrong in just a few months?" Then we will look to the left to see the answers.
Beternnone,I scanned your link.Here is what I found:

It's been a remarkable trip for the president. Overtures from Cuba, cordial talk with a long-time nemesis Venezuela and difficult decisions about escalating drug violence along the U.S.-Mexican border. The administration also warns of a potential home-grown threat from right-wing extremists. A perfect time for a Sunday conversation with the Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Welcome.



So the left thinks making freinds with Hugo freekin Chavez as a good thing?I guess to yall it is because you LOVE his style of government.You love his weak military and hope and pray to the Obamasiah on high that he will weaken ours too.

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