Big Oil Knew.

Global Warming’s Paper Trail

In the 1980s, big oil companies carried out internal assessments of how their products' emissions might affect the planet. Despite findings linking fossil fuels to ecological damage and global warming, the industry kept their data secret, and then lied about it, potentially dooming the rest of us as a result.


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Mr. Hooberbloob posted:

"The driving force behind the "Global Warming" debate isn't science" :

The Heartland Institute, the producer of this video, is a think-tank funded by the Koch brothers and Exxon-Mobil.  The original post of this thread stated that Exxon and Mobil knew of the link between fossil fuels and carbon dioxide, and global warming in the 1980s.


The content of the video was not a production by any anti climate change entity.   It's simply a recording of a renowned climatologist presenting FACTS about climate change (or lack thereof).  Sorry you are butt hurt by facts that differ from your perceived reality.

Studies done during the last decades of the 20th Century have mostly been shown as false.  Even as far back as 2004, Michael Mann's hockey stick graph was debunked.   https://www.technologyreview.c...l-warming-bombshell/

There is a reason "climate change" is primarily being pushed by celebrities and politicians as well as gullible low info liberals.



So let me get this straight.  Exxon and Mobil knew about the link between fossil fuels and climate change in the 1980s, so Exxon-Mobil funds the Heartland Institute which denies the link between between fossil fuels and climate change, and you imply I'm the "low info" one who is "butt hurt".  You are the one who needs to get a grip on reality. 

Spencer may be renowned, but only as a scientist that has a record of research of suspect quality:

"But [Spencer's] paper immediately came under criticism from other climate scientists, who among other things pointed out that attempting to refute a large and growing body of scientific insights into global warming with one satellite data set is impossible. Writing for the climate science blog RealClimate, Kevin Trenberth and John Fasullo of the National Center for Atmospheric Research's Climate Analysis Section pointed to the paper's flaws and concluded:

...[I]t is evident that this paper did not get an adequate peer review. It should not have been published. ... The bottom line is that there is NO merit whatsoever in this paper.

Soon after, the journal's editor-in-chief -- Vienna University of Technology professor Wolfgang Wagner -- resigned and apologized, saying the paper was not vetted properly:

From a purely formal point of view, there were no errors with the review process. But, as the case presents itself now, the editorial team unintentionally selected three reviewers who probably share some climate sceptic notions of the authors. This selection by itself does not mean that the review process for this paper was wrong....

The problem is that comparable studies published by other authors have already been refuted in open discussions and to some extend also in the literature (cf. [7]), a fact which was ignored by Spencer and Braswell in their paper and, unfortunately, not picked up by the reviewers. In other words, the problem I see with the paper by Spencer and Braswell is not that it declared a minority view (which was later unfortunately much exaggerated by the public media) but that it essentially ignored the scientific arguments of its opponents. This latter point was missed in the review process, explaining why I perceive this paper to be fundamentally flawed and therefore wrongly accepted by the journal.

This wasn't the first time other scientists found serious problems with the work of Spencer and his ESSC colleagues, as Trenberth detailed in another article he wrote about the controversy with John Abraham and Peter Gleick at The Daily Climate:

Their errors date to the mid-1990s, when their satellite temperature record reportedly showed the lower atmosphere was cooling. As obvious and serious errors in that analysis were made public, Spencer and [current ESSC Director John] Christy were forced to revise their work several times and, not surprisingly, their findings agree better with those of other scientists around the world: the atmosphere is warming.

Over the years, Spencer and Christy developed a reputation for making serial mistakes that other scientists have been forced to uncover. Last Thursday, for instance, the Journal of Geophysical Research - Atmospheres published a study led by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory climate scientist Ben Santer. Their findings showed that Christy erred in claiming that recent atmospheric temperature trends are not replicated in models.

This trend continues: On Tuesday the journal Geophysical Research Letters will publish a peer-reviewed study by Texas A&M University atmospheric scientist Andrew Dessler that undermines Spencer's arguments about the role of clouds in the Earth's energy budget."

Out of all major CO2 producers in the world and who are also members of the climate treaty, the US is the only one to actually reduce CO2 output, all others have increased.  To believe that further reductions in the US will change anything can be defined as extreme naivety.

You can argue the credibility of renowned and respected scientists all you want and even throw in conspiracy theories to boot, but none of that changes the fact that predictions are no where near reality.  You are relying on flawed and even falsified data to push your fake fears. 

Start taking acting classes and maybe you can become the new face of climate change, science degree not required.

Mr. Hooberbloob posted:

The content of the video was not a production by any anti climate change entity.   It's simply a recording of a renowned climatologist presenting FACTS about climate change (or lack thereof).  Sorry you are butt hurt by facts that differ from your perceived reality.



Either you are a liar or you don't know how to read.  The projection clearly reads, "The Heartland Institute".

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