Notice NO mention of mosques. Good going NY....you close the churches while you empty out your jails.

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New York City Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio threatened late last week to permanently close places of worship if they broke social distancing efforts aimed at reducing the outbreak of COVID-19 in the hardest hit city in America.

“So, I want to say to all those who are preparing the potential of religious services this weekend – if you go to your synagogue, if you go to your church and attempt to hold services after having been told so often not to, our enforcement agents will have no choice but to shut down those services,” de Blasio told reporters. “I don’t say that with any joy. It’s the last thing I would like to do because I understand how important people’s faiths are to them, and we need our faiths in this time of crisis, but we do not need gatherings that will endanger people.”

“No faith tradition endorses anything that endangers the members of that faith,” de Blasio continued. “So, the NYPD, Fire Department, Buildings Department, and everyone has been instructed that if they see worship services going on, they will go to the officials of that congregation, they’ll inform them they need to stop the services and disperse.”

“If that does not happen, they will take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently,” de Blasio concluded. “Again, that will begin this weekend. Again, I’m sorry I have to tell you this, but anyone who’s hearing this, take it seriously. You’ve been warned, you need to stop services, help people practice their faith in different ways, but not in groups, not in gatherings that could endanger people.”

De Blasio’s comments come as his city leads the United States for the highest number of COVID-19 cases, 33,768+, and deaths from the disease, 776.

 

CornPop was a “bad dude” who “ran a bunch of bad boys”-Joe Biden

 

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Ummm The same Mayor who, not too long ago, told New Yorkers that there was nothing to fear, to go on about with their lives and ride the subway and go to the bars, etc, etc, etc, then after the scope of it was seen and known shifted gears into 100% blame Trump for everything?

There have been clips of various New York City officials (even the city's health official) downplaying the virus and promoting riding the subway and eating out together bragging that the city was more than prepared to meet this coming epidemic head-on, only to do as their Mayor and deflect blame to Donald Trump once their own estimates and information were proven wrong and horribly incorrect.  Who can blame them though as they have an exceptionally sympathetic media to go along with them and cover for them, well almost all the media at least as there are still a few rouge outlets that promote and broadcast the facts and truth no matter who it makes look good/bad.  

 

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This after just three weeks ago he was telling people to go out...ignore Trump and go about your business.

Jutu posted:

This after just three weeks ago he was telling people to go out...ignore Trump and go about your business.

Four weeks ago, Trump said 'it'll just disappear one day, like magic.'.  As late as March 13, Fox News was encouraging views to fly, go out to eat, go on vacation.

You let your hypocrisy show, again.

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Robot Unicorn posted:
Jutu posted:

This after just three weeks ago he was telling people to go out...ignore Trump and go about your business.

Four weeks ago, Trump said 'it'll just disappear one day, like magic.'.  As late as March 13, Fox News was encouraging views to fly, go out to eat, go on vacation.

You let your hypocrisy show, again.

Actually Trump did briefly mention and address the COVID-19 virus in his early February State of the Union address and express his intent to protect the nation to the best of the government's ability to do so.  I won't argue though that everyone, even the Infectious expert's opinion, didn't underestimate the effect and speed of the virus.  If though you are trying to say Trump was the one to blame the most then you are way off.  Trump was ridiculed and blasted, by the media, by Democrats, by Biden & Sanders as being xenophobic and racist and reactionary when he implemented the China travel ban due to the then epidemic.  Democrats such as Nancy Pelosi and De Blasio were inviting people to congregate and dine out and live normal lives in New York and Pelosi in China town in SanFransisco way after Trump started taking steps to limit American's exposure to the disease with the ban.  

The real advocate and person left out of the discussion is George Bush who attempted to champion resources and efforts to prepare for some unforeseen future pandemic that might come one day and this was in 2005.  Bush had dealt with the September 11th attacks and the war in Iraq and Afganistan but took the time to try and champion Government (Congress) to allot money to build up Americas reserves to prepare for a future pandemic but that never happened even though he tried to champion them to do so.  Obama totally dropped the ball and never considered such and even allowed the Government's stockpile of Mask and materials to deplete to a low level.  Yes, Trump followed and in his first four years also didn't follow up on Bush's recommendation but Obama had 8 years before that whereby he could have acted so really there is fault in everyone's corner.  Bear in mind also that each State's governor has within their power and responsibility to prepare their respective states to meet such needs as in our Government, according to our Constitution, the States power is great and precedes that of the Federal Government for their own needs.  Remember that Cuomo's own experts pre-warned him about New York's needs to prepare for a pandemic long before this happened and he never acted to prepare his State properly so to blame the Federal Government for failures that his own administration was responsible for again is but a political move to deflect responsibility.  I don't blame Cuomo or any of the Democrats nor do I blame Trump for this is unprecedented and to expect that anyone could have foreseen it is a stretch given all the other pressing things Government had to deal with, Look at all the attention that Democrats and the media gave Impeachment all while the Pandemic was being born out in China.  Talk about missed opportunity and wasting of time and money.

The real travesty in all this is the media and Democrats trying to blame Trump for this while ignoring their own ignorance and trying to use this as a political advantage for them.  It was Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats who slowed down the help/bill that the Trump Administration sought by attaching all kinds of things to the bill that had absolutely nothing to do with the Virus pandemic and so much that there was no way it would pass the Republicans, things like parts of the New Green Deal and other liberal rewards and restrictions up until it was getting too obvious that the media could no longer conceal it.  

The media and Democrats have been lambasting Trump calling him slow to act when they, themselves, were much slower and oblivious to the ever-growing pandemic yet instead of accepting that everyone had some fault and going on with the people in mind they want to politicize it and bring about division in a moment when unity is what we need.  Sorry, but if you are wanting to point out hyprocrisy start at home for there is plenty in the Democrat's wheelhouse.   

If I'm wrong then kindly cite the Democrats who were ahead of Trump in approaching and attacking this pandemic?  

CNN-There is one area in which experts hope the virus will still behave like influenza, however, by tapering off in spring.

"This is a respiratory virus and they always give us trouble during cold weather, for obvious reasons," Nelson Michael, a leading US military medical researcher, said of the novel coronavirus last week. "We're all inside, the windows are closed, etcetera, so we typically call that the influenza or the flu season." 

Influenza thrives in cold and dry conditions, which is why winter is flu season for much of the northern hemisphere. Behavioral differences in winter can also have an effect. Michael predicted the coronavirus may behave like the flu and give us "less trouble as the weather warms up," but, he cautioned, it could come back when the weather gets cold again.

 

What Trump actually said:

 

Trump, Feb. 10: Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April...so we're hopeful.

we're hopeful

Yum posted:
Robot Unicorn posted:
Jutu posted:

This after just three weeks ago he was telling people to go out...ignore Trump and go about your business.

Four weeks ago, Trump said 'it'll just disappear one day, like magic.'.  As late as March 13, Fox News was encouraging views to fly, go out to eat, go on vacation.

You let your hypocrisy show, again.

If I'm wrong then kindly cite the Democrats who were ahead of Trump in approaching and attacking this pandemic?  

Are you going to hold your breath while awaiting an intelligent Liberal response? 

gbrk posted:
Robot Unicorn posted:
Jutu posted:

This after just three weeks ago he was telling people to go out...ignore Trump and go about your business.

Four weeks ago, Trump said 'it'll just disappear one day, like magic.'.  As late as March 13, Fox News was encouraging views to fly, go out to eat, go on vacation.

You let your hypocrisy show, again.

Actually Trump did briefly mention and address the COVID-19 virus in his early February State of the Union address and express his intent to protect the nation to the best of the government's ability to do so.  I won't argue though that everyone, even the Infectious expert's opinion, didn't underestimate the effect and speed of the virus.  If though you are trying to say Trump was the one to blame the most then you are way off.  Trump was ridiculed and blasted, by the media, by Democrats, by Biden & Sanders as being xenophobic and racist and reactionary when he implemented the China travel ban due to the then epidemic.  Democrats such as Nancy Pelosi and De Blasio were inviting people to congregate and dine out and live normal lives in New York and Pelosi in China town in SanFransisco way after Trump started taking steps to limit American's exposure to the disease with the ban.  

The real advocate and person left out of the discussion is George Bush who attempted to champion resources and efforts to prepare for some unforeseen future pandemic that might come one day and this was in 2005.  Bush had dealt with the September 11th attacks and the war in Iraq and Afganistan but took the time to try and champion Government (Congress) to allot money to build up Americas reserves to prepare for a future pandemic but that never happened even though he tried to champion them to do so.  Obama totally dropped the ball and never considered such and even allowed the Government's stockpile of Mask and materials to deplete to a low level.  Yes, Trump followed and in his first four years also didn't follow up on Bush's recommendation but Obama had 8 years before that whereby he could have acted so really there is fault in everyone's corner.  Bear in mind also that each State's governor has within their power and responsibility to prepare their respective states to meet such needs as in our Government, according to our Constitution, the States power is great and precedes that of the Federal Government for their own needs.  Remember that Cuomo's own experts pre-warned him about New York's needs to prepare for a pandemic long before this happened and he never acted to prepare his State properly so to blame the Federal Government for failures that his own administration was responsible for again is but a political move to deflect responsibility.  I don't blame Cuomo or any of the Democrats nor do I blame Trump for this is unprecedented and to expect that anyone could have foreseen it is a stretch given all the other pressing things Government had to deal with, Look at all the attention that Democrats and the media gave Impeachment all while the Pandemic was being born out in China.  Talk about missed opportunity and wasting of time and money.

The real travesty in all this is the media and Democrats trying to blame Trump for this while ignoring their own ignorance and trying to use this as a political advantage for them.  It was Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats who slowed down the help/bill that the Trump Administration sought by attaching all kinds of things to the bill that had absolutely nothing to do with the Virus pandemic and so much that there was no way it would pass the Republicans, things like parts of the New Green Deal and other liberal rewards and restrictions up until it was getting too obvious that the media could no longer conceal it.  

The media and Democrats have been lambasting Trump calling him slow to act when they, themselves, were much slower and oblivious to the ever-growing pandemic yet instead of accepting that everyone had some fault and going on with the people in mind they want to politicize it and bring about division in a moment when unity is what we need.  Sorry, but if you are wanting to point out hyprocrisy start at home for there is plenty in the Democrat's wheelhouse.   

If I'm wrong then kindly cite the Democrats who were ahead of Trump in approaching and attacking this pandemic?  

I have no clue about 'Democrats ahead of Trump', but ignoring WEEKS of WARNINGS from U.S. INTELLIGENCE SOURCES would be the first place to start placing blame.

It's the best thing that could happen. Catholics first then the Baptist next. God would be so pleased.

WELL posted:

It's the best thing that could happen. Catholics first then the Baptist next. God would be so pleased.

Presuming to speak FOR God? Wow... 

WELL posted:

It's the best thing that could happen. Catholics first then the Baptist next. God would be so pleased.

Which God are you talking about..??

 

Jack Hammer posted:
WELL posted:

It's the best thing that could happen. Catholics first then the Baptist next. God would be so pleased.

Which God are you talking about..??

 

It's not Trump or Reagan. No need to get triggered.

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WELL posted:

It's the best thing that could happen. Catholics first then the Baptist next. God would be so pleased.

It sounds like some judging going on.  One of the criticisms I overhear directed at Christians or some Churches is that they are so judgmental toward others.  Is not this statement doing exactly the same thing, that is judging Catholics and Baptist?  Personally, it's not a question about religion or this Church or that Chruch but Religious freedom.  DeBlasio may have some basis in issuing fines based upon limitations of numbers that can congregate together at any one time but to threaten permanent closure should not only offend those who are Christian or Religious but those who treasure freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution.  

DeBlasio is just another politician who knows far less than he pretends he knows.  He also accepts no culpability in the spread in New York due to his own actions and words at the beginning of this pandemic.  He was one that ignored what was going on in other parts of the World and in a boastful way encouraged people to congregate and go out to various places in New York City, that they could handle anything that comes up until it became so obvious that New York was the epicenter of the US epidemics and things were out of control and threatening to overwhelm New York's resources.  

If there is a penalty for violating an order not to exceed a certain number, gathered together, that is one thing but to threaten the death penalty or permanent closure to one specific group is demonstrating a personal bias against Religion or Christianity, which I'm sure he has.  Until there is a reliable treatment and/or vaccine then I'm all for restricting large gatherings where people are or will be, in close proximity to each other.  I don't see such restrictions as a violation against a certain entity but rather the protection of the general public.

 de blaso, real name, Warren Wilhelm, Jr is too stupid for a comment.
I wish he would permanently close churches, he has no idea.

Top list of Baptist that are killing America: Graham, Falwell, (Baptist on drugs as follows) Hinn, De plantes(sp) Copeland, Jeffries, White, the Pope  and Pence to name a few. They should be ashamed to pretend they believe in God.

The way I look at it is people have a right to the way or why they
believe religiously as long as they hurt no one or attempt to push
their beliefs where it's not wanted.

Criticism of religions in a derogatory way leaves the critic looking foolish.

WELL posted:

Top list of Baptist that are killing America: Graham, Falwell, (Baptist on drugs as follows) Hinn, De plantes(sp) Copeland, Jeffries, White, the Pope  and Pence to name a few. They should be ashamed to pretend they believe in God.

The only evidence of bias is your own bias WELL and that is toward the Baptist because you paint with a wide brush of dispersion without a shred of evidence or proof.

Benny Hinn - Prosperity Gospel advocate - Assemblies of God/Pentecostal - NOT Baptist.  He joined the Assemblies of God for a while, accepting the oversight of the Pentecostal denomination, but then separated and went back out on his own.

Franklin Graham of Samaritan’s Purse (Billy, his father is, of course, dead)  - belonged to the Prespetarian denomination but is more independent or non-denominational (my opinion only).  Elected to Southern Baptist Hall of Faith class of 2014 but not affiliated with Southern Baptist although the Baptist Church is big on evangelism of which Franklin grew up in one of the greatest contemporary Evangelist known. Franklin Graham did attend an interdenominational University/school LeTourneau University not Baptist.

Jesse Duplant - Pentecostal - Covenant Church is his Church and is Pentecostal and NOT Baptist. Reverend Cathy Duplantis, Jesse's wife,  is an anointed teacher of the Gospel and Senior Pastor at Deplant's Covenant Church.  There are no women pastors in the Baptist Church, at least none that I know of and certainly not Southern Baptist and I don't believe American or Independent Baptist either.  So Jesse is NOT a Baptist.

Jerry Falwell (died 2007) of Thomas Road Baptist Church & President of Liberty University.  Liberty University is An Independent University, not Baptist.  Jerry Falwell also was pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church is of the American Southern Baptist affiliation - YES BAPTIST!  Currently, his son Jerry Falwell Jr, is now president of that same Liberty (independent) University.  His other son, Jonathon Falwell is now pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church.  You got that one right Falwell is a Baptist!

 Kenneth Copeland - The website Beliefnet lists Copeland as the richest pastor in the country, with a net worth of $760 million. The leader of the “Believer's Voice of Victory” TV show and network is described as a giant within the Word of Faith branch of Pentecostalism -sickening but NOT Baptist.  

Robert Jeffress - Faith Baptist Church pastor in Dallas, Texas - YES Southern Baptist but not a televangelist pastor crying for money as Copeland and many of the others but does often appear on FOX as a proponent of Trumps and a Republican politically (which is what must really bolster the bias against him). 

Paula White - Also known as Spiritual Advisor to President Trump and is said to be a proponent Prosperity Gospel and more pentecostal but Certainly NOT Baptist.  

Pope Francis??? - Head of the Roman Catholic Church - NOT Baptist and certainly more liberal than many Catholics and doubt he's a fan of Trump so this one is curious as having been named here other than being a Christian/Religious but certainly NOT Baptist.

Mike Pence - Vice President (Republican) self-affirmed Born again Evangelical Catholic.  

One thing that all of the names have in common they are Republican either/or/and Religious/Christian.  The use of the wording Baptist and "Killing America" does tend to discredit anything that follows as being motivated by some Bias against Baptist and/or Religion and or being politically Republican. leaning.  

IF I am Wrong about any fo these and their affiliation and you wish to prove them to be Baptist, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, or Independent Baptist then please reply and provide your sources (citations).

Jonathon Fallwell and Robert Jeffress both ARE Baptist as was Jerry Fallwell who also was politically Republican-leaning but is dead and out of the ones you mentioned but the others are not.  Just out of curiosity why are you so biased against Baptist?  Has someone Baptist done anything to you that warrants such feelings?  Just curious.

 

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WELL posted:

Are they not all baptizers?

 

Actually NO!   Unfortunately, many of them are prosperity preachers with the main emphasis being their own prosperity.  Even if they did baptize in their ministries (if you can call what they do ministry), the way you actually stated it was that they were all Baptist and unfortunately in a negative connotative way.  I could be wrong and gladly apologize if so but your post seems influenced by a preconceived bias against specifically the Baptist denomination but also a justification for that bias being that many of them happen to be republican leaning in their politics.  Maybe I'm off in my interpretation but I believe you will find others in the forum have essentially the same opinion.  

I admit I have a bias, myself, against some of those you mentioned strictly because they do not represent Christians and certainly don't represent Christ but are causing harm against Christianity and those trusting people that they take advantage of so they can enrich themselves.  I, too, wonder if they actually believe in God or not because frankly, I can't see a person that actually believes in God doing what they do without some kind of fear of the result of their actions.  I do not see Jeffress and Falwell though other than sincere ministers and not in the category of several of the others including Copeland and those like him.

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BTW...the mosques in New York...and most likely every where else...are still open and 'gathering' for prayer.

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