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Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the discussion begun, for whatever reason, by O No titled "Opinions On Bill Gray's Way Of Communicating" -- my Forum Friend, B50, has written, "Bill is overzealous, makes mistakes, takes a hard line, and is stubborn in his beliefs."

Overzealous? Yes, when it comes to refuting false religions on the Religion Forum. There are now about 10,600 registered members on the TimesDaily Forums and only God knows how many thousands come on the Forums just to read, but do not register.

While not all of those come to the Religion Forum to read and post -- I am sure we get our share. I would be neglecting the Great Commission given to all Christian believers personally by Jesus Christ -- if I allowed even one person to be led astray by the false religions of atheism, agnosticism, secularism, secular humanism, New Age, Universalism, and many other false world religions being shared on the Religion Forum. And, that is not counting the many vanilla-flavored non-believers who fight against God because, to acknowledge Him, would make them accountable to Him. And that is their greatest fear -- being accountable to anyone but themselves. So, yes, in that respect, I am overzealous.

Makes mistakes? Unfortunately, I have been known to make mistakes. But, if I did not, I would be perfect -- and we all know that Jesus Christ is the only perfect man (man used in this form means generic man -- which includes our women folk and children). However, I do try to avoid as many mistakes as possible when sharing God's Word. I do this by connecting everything I write firmly to the Bible. Well, no, I must amend that. There are times when I will throw in a cutesy comment which is not from God and, at times, most likely He would slap my hand for posting it. But, as we said -- we ARE human.

Takes a hard line? Yes. Absolutely! When a person tells us that he/she can be in the New Age religion, in the Wiccan religion -- and at the same time be a Christian believer -- I do take a hard line against this. Why? Because it is false. A person is never both tall and short; a person is never fat and skinny; a person cannot be bald and have an Elvis Presley hair style -- and a person cannot be both New Age/Wiccan and Christian. Those two world religions are polar opposites of Christianity. So, there is absolutely NO WAY that a person can be both.

Stubborn in his beliefs? Is Bill Gray stubborn? Yes, like a stubborn mule, I will stand and defend my faith; I will stand and defend my Lord; I will stand and defend God's Word -- and, like a stubborn mule; I will always refute false teachings and world religions on the Religion Forum.

B50, I see you registered on the Forums in September 2008. You may, or may not, have been here before under a different name; but, that is irrelevant. When I came on the Forums in January 2007 -- it was to do battle with the atheists who were dominating the Forums at that time.

During the first year I had two groups which considered me their adversary and fought me tooth and nail. First, and most obvious were the atheist, secularist, agnostics, et al, and their Friends by adoption. The second group was what I called the Gang of Ladies (although, in several cases, that word may have been used very loosely). Most were, according to their posts, Christian ladies. Yet, they hated, denied, and castigated me (oops, I almost typed castrated -- but, I am sure that thought went through a few of their minds also) for every word I wrote. Using a rhetorical statement, I could not say, "Have a nice day" -- without drawing their ire.

I was accused of plagiarism, stealing folk's private thoughts, attacking folks, insulting folks, driving folks away from God, and many more nice names that you ladies today have not even thought of yet. I even had one atheist with political aspirations who tried to use my posting name (with a slight modification) to make folks believe it was me writing his trash; then, he actually used my photo as his avatar. In other words, he did everything possible to blacken my name -- but, each time the TimesDaily Mods slapped his wrist and made him change. Yes, my Friends, in the past three plus years, better equipped folks have had me in their cross hairs -- but, by the grace of God, I am still here.

Eventually, my first Gang of Ladies faded away, moved on, or whatever. Most went to another local forum which was loosely moderated, and where they could write all their vulgar words and comments without being chastised by the mods -- and, boy, then you should have seen their Bill Gray curses. Once again they went on the attack even though I was not on the Forum. They began to create posting personas on that Forum which were supposed to be me -- and were writing filthy trash which they wanted to make folks believe I had written. But, after I had a short chat with the owner of the web site where that forum lived -- that mischief was corrected.

That Gang of Ladies soon, like General MacArthur said in his farewell speech about old soldiers -- "just faded away." But, it does seem that we now have a new Gang of Ladies on the Religion Forum who have Bill Gray in their cross hairs.

Personally, I know so many fine Christian ladies, who, without them and all the energy, talent, and Christian love they put into our Christian fellowships -- most of our churches would "just fade away." And, I am positive that there are millions of Christian ladies like this in all of our Christian churches. Yet, both the old and the new TimesDaily Religion Forum Gang of Ladies makes me realize the wisdom of God declaring, in the Bible, that only men can be pastors, elders, and spiritual leaders in His church.

So, for all my Gang of Ladies Friends, and their Friends by adoption -- I offer an olive branch. I would like to see us all have civil discussions on the Religion Forum; I would like to see all of my Christian Friends on this Forum stand together to defend our faith and to praise our Lord; I would like to see all of us be able to agree -- and to occasionally be able to disagree -- but without allowing it to divide our Christian fellowship. Can we do this?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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FM Former Member
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Yet, both the old and the new TimesDaily Religion Forum Gang of Ladies makes me realize the wisdom of God declaring, in the Bible, that only men can be pastors, elders, and spiritual leaders in His church.


How can you insult women in one breath, and ask for civility and fellowship in the next?
mind boggling........
O No!O No!Old Faithful
...working for the dark side, trying to divide the true Christians, and scare off the seekers. I know this because even though I have asked him to state unequivicably that he is NOT working for Satan, he won't. And the reason he won't is because he can't.

He can lie and say he is working for God, but there must be some clause in his "contract" that states he can't deny Satan.

Prove me wrong Bill!
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
Amen, themax.

Bill, you are not a martyr for Christ. Most, if not all, of what has happened to you is a direct result of the way you treat others. I certainly do not agree with nor would I be a part of everything that has come your way, but you reap what you sow. We all experience a troll occasionally, but if your irritate almost everyone who converses with you on here, it's time to open your eyes.

When you say something that God would slap you for saying, you need to admit that directly to the person you've hurt and apologize directly to that person in the thread where you have done this. This thread is just yet another attempt for you to avoid admitting fault and to flatter yourself. It is, quite frankly, revolting.

Gang of ladies? Are you freakin' serious? I don't join gangs. I didn't even do that in grade school.
leoleoHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the discussion begun, for whatever reason, by O No titled "Opinions On Bill Gray's Way Of Communicating" -- my Forum Friend, B50, has written, "Bill is overzealous, makes mistakes, takes a hard line, and is stubborn in his beliefs."

Overzealous? Yes, when it comes to refuting false religions on the Religion Forum. There are now about 10,600 registered members on the TimesDaily Forums and only God knows how many thousands come on the Forums just to read, but do not register.

While not all of those come to the Religion Forum to read and post -- I am sure we get our share. I would be neglecting the Great Commission given to all Christian believers personally by Jesus Christ -- if I allowed even one person to be led astray by the false religions of atheism, agnosticism, secularism, secular humanism, New Age, Universalism, and many other false world religions being shared on the Religion Forum. And, that is not counting the many vanilla-flavored non-believers who fight against God because, to acknowledge Him, would make them accountable to Him. And that is their greatest fear -- being accountable to anyone but themselves. So, yes, in that respect, I am overzealous.

Makes mistakes? Unfortunately, I have been known to make mistakes. But, if I did not, I would be perfect -- and we all know that Jesus Christ is the only perfect man (man used in this form means generic man -- which includes our women folk and children). However, I do try to avoid as many mistakes as possible when sharing God's Word. I do this by connecting everything I write firmly to the Bible. Well, no, I must amend that. There are times when I will throw in a cutesy comment which is not from God and, at times, most likely He would slap my hand for posting it. But, as we said -- we ARE human.

Takes a hard line? Yes. Absolutely! When a person tells us that he/she can be in the New Age religion, in the Wiccan religion -- and at the same time be a Christian believer -- I do take a hard line against this. Why? Because it is false. A person is never both tall and short; a person is never fat and skinny; a person cannot be bald and have an Elvis Presley hair style -- and a person cannot be both New Age/Wiccan and Christian. Those two world religions are polar opposites of Christianity. So, there is absolutely NO WAY that a person can be both.

Stubborn in his beliefs? Is Bill Gray stubborn? Yes, like a stubborn mule, I will stand and defend my faith; I will stand and defend my Lord; I will stand and defend God's Word -- and, like a stubborn mule; I will always refute false teachings and world religions on the Religion Forum.

B50, I see you registered on the Forums in September 2008. You may, or may not, have been here before under a different name; but, that is irrelevant. When I came on the Forums in January 2007 -- it was to do battle with the atheists who were dominating the Forums at that time.

During the first year I had two groups which considered me their adversary and fought me tooth and nail. First, and most obvious were the atheist, secularist, agnostics, et al, and their Friends by adoption. The second group was what I called the Gang of Ladies (although, in several cases, that word may have been used very loosely). Most were, according to their posts, Christian ladies. Yet, they hated, denied, and castigated me (oops, I almost typed castrated -- but, I am sure that thought went through a few of their minds also) for every word I wrote. Using a rhetorical statement, I could not say, "Have a nice day" -- without drawing their ire.

I was accused of plagiarism, stealing folk's private thoughts, attacking folks, insulting folks, driving folks away from God, and many more nice names that you ladies today have not even thought of yet. I even had one atheist with political aspirations who tried to use my posting name (with a slight modification) to make folks believe it was me writing his trash; then, he actually used my photo as his avatar. In other words, he did everything possible to blacken my name -- but, each time the TimesDaily Mods slapped his wrist and made him change. Yes, my Friends, in the past three plus years, better equipped folks have had me in their cross hairs -- but, by the grace of God, I am still here.

Eventually, my first Gang of Ladies faded away, moved on, or whatever. Most went to another local forum which was loosely moderated, and where they could write all their vulgar words and comments without being chastised by the mods -- and, boy, then you should have seen their Bill Gray curses. Once again they went on the attack even though I was not on the Forum. They began to create posting personas on that Forum which were supposed to be me -- and were writing filthy trash which they wanted to make folks believe I had written. But, after I had a short chat with the owner of the web site where that forum lived -- that mischief was corrected.

That Gang of Ladies soon, like General MacArthur said in his farewell speech about old soldiers -- "just faded away." But, it does seem that we now have a new Gang of Ladies on the Religion Forum who have Bill Gray in their cross hairs.

Personally, I know so many fine Christian ladies, who, without them and all the energy, talent, and Christian love they put into our Christian fellowships -- most of our churches would "just fade away." And, I am positive that there are millions of Christian ladies like this in all of our Christian churches. Yet, both the old and the new TimesDaily Religion Forum Gang of Ladies makes me realize the wisdom of God declaring, in the Bible, that only men can be pastors, elders, and spiritual leaders in His church.

So, for all my Gang of Ladies Friends, and their Friends by adoption -- I offer an olive branch. I would like to see us all have civil discussions on the Religion Forum; I would like to see all of my Christian Friends on this Forum stand together to defend our faith and to praise our Lord; I would like to see all of us be able to agree -- and to occasionally be able to disagree -- but without allowing it to divide our Christian fellowship. Can we do this?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


False religions....Bills way or wrong

To do battle with the atheist.......it's not a war Bill. It's a discussion.

Are you really sure that God cares so little for women that he precludes them from being a pastor? Seems like a not so fair and just God to me. And thats not an attack, just a statement.

I still find it offensive that you refer to my belief as false. Isn't that being judgemental, and isn't that prohibited?

While I disagree with your chosen belief, I don't offhandedly pronounce your belief a false teaching every time you mention God. You do that to my belief.

If something happened in my mind to cause doubt in my belief, I would still have reservations about Christianity because I fear I may become as closeminded and hostile as you and your ilk.
I don't want to have to 'DO BATTLE' with someone simply because we disagree about religion.

Now, I may be dead wrong on this one since I don't study the Bible, But didn't Jesus get angry and throw out thr gamblers in the temple? Did he admit to sin in his heart? This is a question because I don't know if it is in the Bible or not. I'll admit my ignorance. But if it is so then even Jesus wasn't perfect.
Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Yet, both the old and the new TimesDaily Religion Forum Gang of Ladies makes me realize the wisdom of God declaring, in the Bible, that only men can be pastors, elders, and spiritual leaders in His church.
How can you insult women in one breath, and ask for civility and fellowship in the next? mind boggling........

Hi VP,

You have a very deceitful way of taking only a part of a statement in your attempt to change the meaning and intent of what was written. I am not sure if you are truly doing this to be deceitful -- or if you really just do not know better.

But, here is my full statement:

Personally, I know so many fine Christian ladies, who, without them and all the energy, talent, and Christian love they put into our Christian fellowships -- most of our churches would "just fade away." And, I am positive that there are millions of Christian ladies like this in all of our Christian churches. Yet, both the old and the new TimesDaily Religion Forum Gang of Ladies makes me realize the wisdom of God declaring, in the Bible, that only men can be pastors, elders, and spiritual leaders in His church.

And, yes, you and your Friends, or those I call the Gang of Ladies, would argue with a mirror if you thought it would defeat the Word of God which I share. You say that I insult women. Not so! I adore women and have great respect for women. And, I know many great women Christian leaders and teachers -- only they are not and cannot be pastors.

Yet, to give an analogy, we can see many fine thoroughbred horses in a pasture -- but, we can also spot the contentious old nag hanging out with them. Some things are just easy to spot. So it is with contentious people.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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SK Sofa KingHall of Famer
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I would like to see all of us be able to agree -- and to occasionally be able to disagree -- but without allowing it to divide our Christian fellowship. Can we do this?


Bill, show me that you are capable of doing that, just one little hint at civility, and yes I will do that. Gladly.

You obviously have a very long record of being the center of hate-filled storms. Do you ever ask yourself, "I wonder what I do to bring out the worst in people?"
FM Former Member
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But if it is so then even Jesus wasn't perfect.


Hey, Leo
I totally get why you'd think that, but Jesus WAS perfect. Completely without sin.
That's why He was the perfect sacrifice for atonement.
And according to some Christian denominations, the Blessed Virgin Mary is also sinless- conceived without sin- to be the perfect vehicle to carry the Christ baby.
A common prayer to the Virgin is "O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for those who have recourse to Thee".

Now, Bill will jump all over it, and that's okay- but I wanted to share how "some" denominations place "women" in very high esteem.
But Jesus was sinless- the Lamb of God. Smiler
Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Bill, you are not a martyr for Christ. Most, if not all, of what has happened to you is a direct result of the way you treat others. I certainly do not agree with nor would I be a part of everything that has come your way, but you reap what you sow. We all experience a troll occasionally, but if your irritate almost everyone who converses with you on here, it's time to open your eyes.

When you say something that God would slap you for saying, you need to admit that directly to the person you've hurt and apologize directly to that person in the thread where you have done this. This thread is just yet another attempt for you to avoid admitting fault and to flatter yourself. It is, quite frankly, revolting.

Gang of ladies? Are you freakin' serious? I don't join gangs. I didn't even do that in grade school.

Hi joy,

First, not all things written to be "cutesy" and which God may not approve -- are insults. Or, I should say, not insults -- except to those who are looking for a reason to disagree.

Second, while I have long known that you lean heavily toward the liberal aisle -- I had never before thought of you as part of the Gang of Ladies. That, my Friend, cannot be considered a promotion.

As I have said, there are many Godly Christian ladies -- and there are contentious ladies.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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You say that I insult women. Not so!



There you go, Bill. Just one paragraph up from there, you do just that. Then you accuse Veep of being in some sort of Gang that supposedly exists only to give grief to you. Narcissism, Bill. Study that word.

But I'll take one stab at trying to help you, Bill: The issue of women in the church is one of the hottest debates going on in the church. You certainly can pull scriptures that "prove" your side unequivocally. But other denominations certainty can pull versus that unequivocally prove theirs. This is a matter of denomination not a matter of salvation.

It would be helpful for you to state, "Well, my interpretation is different from yours. It's not a salvation issue so lets move onto something more productive, shall we?"

See? No insult. No claims of "liberal theology." No more insults. Just an honest opinion and an admission that you certainly do not possess all the answers.

Can you do that Bill?
themaxthemaxHall of Famer
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Are you really sure that God cares so little for women that he precludes them from being a pastor? Seems like a not so fair and just God to me. And thats not an attack, just a statement.

Whoa,now, the Book says for women to keep silent. When the Bible speaks I will speak, even if I have to side with Billy. As much as I hate to.
Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
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And according to some Christian denominations, the Blessed Virgin Mary is also sinless- conceived without sin- to be the perfect vehicle to carry the Christ baby. A common prayer to the Virgin is "O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for those who have recourse to Thee".

Hi VP,

And, NONE of that is found in the Bible -- except that God did indeed bless the virgin Mary by allowing her to be the birthing womb and earthly mother of Jesus Christ.

Other than that, she was just another very pious human woman -- in all respects.

She was not sinless and she did have children born after the birth of Jesus Christ. This IS in the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Amen, themax.

Bill, you are not a martyr for Christ. Most, if not all, of what has happened to you is a direct result of the way you treat others. I certainly do not agree with nor would I be a part of everything that has come your way, but you reap what you sow. We all experience a troll occasionally, but if your irritate almost everyone who converses with you on here, it's time to open your eyes.

When you say something that God would slap you for saying, you need to admit that directly to the person you've hurt and apologize directly to that person in the thread where you have done this. This thread is just yet another attempt for you to avoid admitting fault and to flatter yourself. It is, quite frankly, revolting.

Gang of ladies? Are you freakin' serious? I don't join gangs. I didn't even do that in grade school.



Bill gray nailed it. The blacksheep gang has created new identities here and yes YOU ARE PART OF THAT GANG!


As for this...
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B50, I see you registered on the Forums in September 2008. You may, or may not, have been here before under a different name; but, that is irrelevant. When I came on the Forums in January 2007 -- it was to do battle with the atheists who were dominating the Forums at that time.


Back then several of that gang created multiple IDs...just because an ID has a registration date months or years prior does not mean anything. You can check their profile and see some of them have gone over a year between posts. That is indicative of a troll.
SK Sofa KingHall of Famer
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irst, not all things written to be "cutesy" and which God may not approve -- are insults.



But Bill, don't you see? Your reputation precedes you so that even when you say, "God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day" it comes off as an insult. You keep saying that others will argue with a mirror and that is just not true. Every word you write just exudes hate, condemnation, vinegar and piss. There is a complete lack of anything resembling Christian love, patience, tolerance and understanding. ZERO.

I think that since you offered an olive branch in the otherwise overly narcissistic post, you might just be getting close to realizing something important about yourself. Yes, you are the center of the hurricane of hate that fills this forum. You can change bt you have to do what the bible says first: Humble yourself, admit, repent, then ask for forgiveness. Only then can the healing begin.

Come on, Bill. You can do it!
Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
You say that I insult women. Not so! I adore women and have great respect for women. And, I know many great women Christian leaders and teachers -- only they are not and cannot be pastors.

But I'll take one stab at trying to help you, Bill: The issue of women in the church is one of the hottest debates going on in the church. You certainly can pull scriptures that "prove" your side unequivocally. But other denominations certainty can pull versus that unequivocally prove theirs. This is a matter of denomination not a matter of salvation.

Hi Sofa,

Nothing should be a matter of denomination -- but, instead should always be based upon Scripture. Unfortunately, however, many churches and denominations have been formed on bad interpretations of the Bible.

You accused me that my writings are full of "hatred and malice and vengeance." -- yet, when I ask you to SHOW ME -- you refuse to respond. In other words, you are good at throwing accusations -- but, when called on it -- you fade into the background.

So, even though I know you will not respond -- I will ask this: You say there are Scripture passages which support women being pastors and elders -- SHOW ME. Show us the verses or passages which support your belief.

You will notice that when I make a point -- I will give supporting Scripture references. Yet, you make wild claims -- and when asked for your Scripture references -- dead silence.

However, let me say, Sofa, that the Bible does indeed support the fact that women are not to be pastors.

Show me your Scripture -- and I will show you mine.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bro. Bill,

Perhaps, now to satisfy the appetite for blood of this hoard of Christians and atheists you have managed to piss-off; you should curse God and die.

Now, Rram,

You are much nicer than Job's wife; but, I do see your point. I do seem to be walking in a barn yard which is getting deeper by the moment.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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O No!O No!Old Faithful
Bill wants to be the center of attention and that's what this thread is all about. But you will notice that he hasn't even acknowledged that I have asked him to once and for all, declare that he is not working for Satan.

I'm serious. Satan tries to lull us into a false sense of security, and then he nails us. That is what Bill does with his glittery "Amens" and the like. He wants us to believe he loves God, but he is working for Satan. He is trying to stir up a storm over here so we are all scattered.

Bill, if you are not working for Satan, deny it!
leoleoHall of Famer
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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But if it is so then even Jesus wasn't perfect.


Hey, Leo
I totally get why you'd think that, but Jesus WAS perfect. Completely without sin.
That's why He was the perfect sacrifice for atonement.
And according to some Christian denominations, the Blessed Virgin Mary is also sinless- conceived without sin- to be the perfect vehicle to carry the Christ baby.
A common prayer to the Virgin is "O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for those who have recourse to Thee".

Now, Bill will jump all over it, and that's okay- but I wanted to share how "some" denominations place "women" in very high esteem.
But Jesus was sinless- the Lamb of God. Smiler



Thanks for the input V. It was in the form of a question because I didn't know the answer. I really appreciate the explanation and you did it without resorting to insults and ridicule. I think Bill might take note of your respectful demeanor.

Since I am not a reader of the Bible I should probably not form an opinion of something I don't know anything about.

When I read these threads on religion, I will have questions. While to some they may seem disrespectful I assure you they are not. I will ask my questions of you if you don't mind, because I appreciate your response.
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Amen, themax.

Bill, you are not a martyr for Christ. Most, if not all, of what has happened to you is a direct result of the way you treat others. I certainly do not agree with nor would I be a part of everything that has come your way, but you reap what you sow. We all experience a troll occasionally, but if your irritate almost everyone who converses with you on here, it's time to open your eyes.

When you say something that God would slap you for saying, you need to admit that directly to the person you've hurt and apologize directly to that person in the thread where you have done this. This thread is just yet another attempt for you to avoid admitting fault and to flatter yourself. It is, quite frankly, revolting.

Gang of ladies? Are you freakin' serious? I don't join gangs. I didn't even do that in grade school.



Bill gray nailed it. The blacksheep gang has created new identities here and yes YOU ARE PART OF THAT GANG!


As for this...
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B50, I see you registered on the Forums in September 2008. You may, or may not, have been here before under a different name; but, that is irrelevant. When I came on the Forums in January 2007 -- it was to do battle with the atheists who were dominating the Forums at that time.


Back then several of that gang created multiple IDs...just because an ID has a registration date months or years prior does not mean anything. You can check their profile and see some of them have gone over a year between posts. That is indicative of a troll.


Once again proving how little you know, dear. I have had the same ID since before TD changed to this format. If I have something to say to you, I won't hide behind another name. I'll just tell you what I think.

I was never a 'Black Sheep'. For proof of that, please look through my posts during that period of time. Then please come back and apologize for lying about me. Admitting you lied will suffice. Big Grin
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Bill, you are not a martyr for Christ. Most, if not all, of what has happened to you is a direct result of the way you treat others. I certainly do not agree with nor would I be a part of everything that has come your way, but you reap what you sow. We all experience a troll occasionally, but if your irritate almost everyone who converses with you on here, it's time to open your eyes.

When you say something that God would slap you for saying, you need to admit that directly to the person you've hurt and apologize directly to that person in the thread where you have done this. This thread is just yet another attempt for you to avoid admitting fault and to flatter yourself. It is, quite frankly, revolting.

Gang of ladies? Are you freakin' serious? I don't join gangs. I didn't even do that in grade school.

Hi joy,

First, not all things written to be "cutesy" and which God may not approve -- are insults. Or, I should say, not insults -- except to those who are looking for a reason to disagree.

Second, while I have long known that you lean heavily toward the liberal aisle -- I had never before thought of you as part of the Gang of Ladies. That, my Friend, cannot be considered a promotion.

As I have said, there are many Godly Christian ladies -- and there are contentious ladies.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


I don't know of ANY gang of ladies. There was the Black Sheep, made up of men and women. There was that woman who had an axe to grind with a local writer & gathered a few behind her. There was a woman with a website that was, er, not nice at all...think there were a few that buddied up with her. That's about all I can recall. I haven't seen a group here in some time though.

"things written to be cutesy and which God may not approve" - That's sugarcoating and avoidance, Bill.

I said the things for which, as you said in an earlier post, God would slap you. I think you said on the wrist. Wink I'm thinking He might make it a wee bit more painful if you keep pushing it...been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

You make me mad enough to chew nails sometimes. I'll love you as my brother regardless, but seriously, you've gone too far. You really are hurting your witness and Christianity period by being so dang stubborn. When you do something wrong, just admit it and apologize. It doesn't hurt that much...pinky swear! I put my foot in it regularly & have to eat crow.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Amen, themax.

Bill, you are not a martyr for Christ. Most, if not all, of what has happened to you is a direct result of the way you treat others. I certainly do not agree with nor would I be a part of everything that has come your way, but you reap what you sow. We all experience a troll occasionally, but if your irritate almost everyone who converses with you on here, it's time to open your eyes.

When you say something that God would slap you for saying, you need to admit that directly to the person you've hurt and apologize directly to that person in the thread where you have done this. This thread is just yet another attempt for you to avoid admitting fault and to flatter yourself. It is, quite frankly, revolting.

Gang of ladies? Are you freakin' serious? I don't join gangs. I didn't even do that in grade school.



Bill gray nailed it. The blacksheep gang has created new identities here and yes YOU ARE PART OF THAT GANG!


As for this...
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B50, I see you registered on the Forums in September 2008. You may, or may not, have been here before under a different name; but, that is irrelevant. When I came on the Forums in January 2007 -- it was to do battle with the atheists who were dominating the Forums at that time.


Back then several of that gang created multiple IDs...just because an ID has a registration date months or years prior does not mean anything. You can check their profile and see some of them have gone over a year between posts. That is indicative of a troll.


Once again proving how little you know, dear. I have had the same ID since before TD changed to this format. If I have something to say to you, I won't hide behind another name. I'll just tell you what I think.

I was never a 'Black Sheep'. For proof of that, please look through my posts during that period of time. Then please come back and apologize for lying about me. Admitting you lied will suffice. Big Grin


It doesn't matter when you created your ID. I couldn't help but notice you really went off on Bill when you thought that he thought you were part of that gang. The trouble with you two is BOTH want to be the authority on the Christian bible. You sure fit the mold of what I have learned through experience is what is CLAIMED to be a Christian. A very Christian like reply to Bill don't you think ? Oh yeah...everyone knows what freakin' means...God too.

You and your homosexual friends and allies are nothing but trash in my book...and yes my book is the only one that matters to me.

I see right through your facade.
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
Not sure why I'm bothering, but...No, WH, I did not think he was referring to the Black Sheep as being the current "gang of ladies". I assumed the current "gang" he was referring to was all of us who spoke out when he was ugly to vplee.

WH, as hateful as you are here on the forums, if you don't like who I am, that's a plus as far as I'm concerned. I have never claimed to be an authority on the Bible - that's yet another lie by you - thought you were against lying.
Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Once again proving how little you know, dear. I have had the same ID since before TD changed to this format. If I have something to say to you, I won't hide behind another name. I'll just tell you what I think.

I was never a 'Black Sheep'. For proof of that, please look through my posts during that period of time. Then please come back and apologize for lying about me. Admitting you lied will suffice.

Hi Joy and WH,

Joy is right, she has been on the Forum longer than me -- and she has always been honest in her posts, never, to the best of my knowledge, using a different posting name. I would say that she, like me, believes what the apostle Paul wrote in Romans 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, . . ." Because of this belief -- when we share, we share under our own names.

Joy is not and never has been a part of the so called "Black Sheep" crowd -- although she did get much closer to them than me.

The one thing Joy and I have always disagreed upon is our relationship with the atheists and their ilk on the Forum.

While I will pray for the atheists, that they will some day see the Light and turn to follow Jesus Christ -- my writings are not aimed at them. I will frequently use their questions and comments to allow me to explain the Biblical view of issues; but, my target audience are those thousands who most often read but do not post.

It would break my heart to see any of them misled into the false religion of atheism. It would be a discredit to my Lord if even one is misled into atheism -- because I do not post a rebuttal to atheistic teachings. So, I post -- and, by the grace of God and with His blessing, I will be posting for many years to come on the TimesDaily Religion Forum.

So, for my atheist and other disgruntled Friends who do not like me or my writings -- maybe you would be happier on the other Forum which allows all sorts of crude things to be posted. Because, God willing, I am not going anywhere for a long, long time.

Joy, on the other hand, feels that, by being Friends with the atheists, et al, she can win them to the Lord. This is an admirable undertaking; but, also one fraught with many pot holes. I always like to use the analogy of one man standing on top of a house (the believer) and another standing on the ground (the non-believer) -- both holding a rope. Both are pulling on their end of the rope. Who do you think will win -- the person trying to pull the person up -- or the person on the ground using his leverage to pull the other down? We all know who will win that tug of war.

The only fault I have ever found with Joy is that, a number of times she has taken sides with the atheists against a Christian brother or sister. That is counterproductive to the Christian fellowship -- even if it is done in the hopes of pulling the atheist up.

Joy is my Christian sister and I love her with a strong Christian love.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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