Bill Maher: Americans Have Made Sacrifices: .
Bill Maher dispels the notion that Americans have not made sacrifices for the "war on terror
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Thoughts of Bill Maher, alleged comedian, whst's next Jay Leno?
Suggest you look up WWII when Japanese-Americans in western California, Oregon and Washington state ended up in detention centers; when all of Hawaii was under martial law; when reporters overseas had their reportage censored by the military; and Italian and German Americans has to register their whereabouts and had their movements restricted. You don't know restrictions on civil rights!
Suggest you look up WWII when Japanese-Americans in western California, Oregon and Washington state ended up in detention centers; when all of Hawaii was under martial law; when reporters overseas had their reportage censored by the military; and Italian and German Americans has to register their whereabouts and had their movements restricted. You don't know restrictions on civil rights!
I've never really been sure why Bill Maher is often thought of as a political commentator.
I did love him in CANNIBAL WOMEN IN THE AVOCADO JUNGLE OF DEATH with Shannon Tweed. Don't know why he didn't get an Oscar for that one...
I did love him in CANNIBAL WOMEN IN THE AVOCADO JUNGLE OF DEATH with Shannon Tweed. Don't know why he didn't get an Oscar for that one...
interventor:
Suggest you look up WWII when Japanese-Americans in western California, Oregon and Washington state ended up in detention centers; when all of Hawaii was under martial law; when reporters overseas had their reportage censored by the military; and Italian and German Americans has to register their whereabouts and had their movements restricted. You don't know restrictions on civil rights!
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The detention of Japanese Americans was based on racism and a disgraceful act but at the time we were at war with two major industrial countries. Today is no where near the same situation that calls for any assault on our rights.
The government is already building detention centers and are putting laws into place that will do away with our rights. They have already basically gutted the 4th amendment and attack our right to the first amendment.
We don't want to wait till it comes done to that. Those of us who are vigilant are speaking out.
Suggest you look up WWII when Japanese-Americans in western California, Oregon and Washington state ended up in detention centers; when all of Hawaii was under martial law; when reporters overseas had their reportage censored by the military; and Italian and German Americans has to register their whereabouts and had their movements restricted. You don't know restrictions on civil rights!
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The detention of Japanese Americans was based on racism and a disgraceful act but at the time we were at war with two major industrial countries. Today is no where near the same situation that calls for any assault on our rights.
The government is already building detention centers and are putting laws into place that will do away with our rights. They have already basically gutted the 4th amendment and attack our right to the first amendment.
We don't want to wait till it comes done to that. Those of us who are vigilant are speaking out.
The detention camps are not being built. A contract to cover possible camps is being let. Really need to read federal contract releases before making statements.
Please state what trials have the 4th amendment protection been denied.
And, unless you are sending this e-mail from Canada, neither has the first amendment.
Please state what trials have the 4th amendment protection been denied.
And, unless you are sending this e-mail from Canada, neither has the first amendment.
interventor:
The detention camps are not being built. A contract to cover possible camps is being let. Really need to read federal contract releases before making statements.
Please state what trials have the 4th amendment protection been denied.
And, unless you are sending this e-mail from Canada, neither has the first amendment.
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The detention camps are being built by Haliburton or a subsidiary. They tell us it is for illegal immigrants and but also for others. The camps get little publicity and I believe their locations are not being made public, last I read.
The 4th amendment is to protect our privacy but for years the Supreme Court has up held the right of law enforcement to search people and homes without warrants under certain circumstances. The latest wire tapping by the Bush administration as well as the surveillance state being set up. Police now video tape demonstrations and have files of demonstrators. The large number of people on the "no fly list" that are on simply because they critics of Bush and government policies. Recent revelations about the FBI infiltrating and spying in local peace groups.
All involve infringements of our 1st and 4th amendment rights. The reason we have a constitution is to protect our freedom. When you start to dismantle the protections you are dismantling our freedoms.
Those who are vigilant speak up.
The detention camps are not being built. A contract to cover possible camps is being let. Really need to read federal contract releases before making statements.
Please state what trials have the 4th amendment protection been denied.
And, unless you are sending this e-mail from Canada, neither has the first amendment.
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The detention camps are being built by Haliburton or a subsidiary. They tell us it is for illegal immigrants and but also for others. The camps get little publicity and I believe their locations are not being made public, last I read.
The 4th amendment is to protect our privacy but for years the Supreme Court has up held the right of law enforcement to search people and homes without warrants under certain circumstances. The latest wire tapping by the Bush administration as well as the surveillance state being set up. Police now video tape demonstrations and have files of demonstrators. The large number of people on the "no fly list" that are on simply because they critics of Bush and government policies. Recent revelations about the FBI infiltrating and spying in local peace groups.
All involve infringements of our 1st and 4th amendment rights. The reason we have a constitution is to protect our freedom. When you start to dismantle the protections you are dismantling our freedoms.
Those who are vigilant speak up.
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
The detention camps are not being built. A contract to cover possible camps is being let. Really need to read federal contract releases before making statements.
Please state what trials have the 4th amendment protection been denied.
And, unless you are sending this e-mail from Canada, neither has the first amendment.
Interventor,You trust Goverment& media way too much.
Please state whereabouts of such camps. This is an easily verifiable claim, if true.
No, I am used to government bureaucracy and seperating the truth from BS.
Which makes such claims about camps set off my BS detector.
No, I am used to government bureaucracy and seperating the truth from BS.
Which makes such claims about camps set off my BS detector.
This is sounding like the holocaust deniers, Chomski and his denial of PolPot's killing fields, and the latest claim that no plane hit the second tower -- it was a computer generated image. Don't even get me started about the Pentagon -- I saw that!
American Prison Camps Are on the Way
By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2006.
"Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of Bush's "unlawful enemy combatants." Americans are certain to be among them.
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."
(Author's Blurb)
Marjorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, is president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists. Her new book, "Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law," will be published in 2007 by PoliPointPress
By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2006.
"Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of Bush's "unlawful enemy combatants." Americans are certain to be among them.
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."
(Author's Blurb)
Marjorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, is president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists. Her new book, "Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law," will be published in 2007 by PoliPointPress
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
American Prison Camps Are on the Way
By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2006.
"Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of Bush's "unlawful enemy combatants." Americans are certain to be among them.
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."
(Author's Blurb)
Marjorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, is president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists. Her new book, "Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law," will be published in 2007 by PoliPointPress
They were going to build it in Area 51, but it was too close to a Sasquatch sanctuary. Now they're looking to see if Atlantis is still available.
quote:They were going to build it in Area 51, but it was too close to a Sasquatch sanctuary. Now they're looking to see if Atlantis is still available.
Atlantis is out, the progressive media just reported that building there would disrupt the Loch Ness Mounter's breeding grounds. Latest reports is that Elvis has some land where he's been hiding out in Elgin he's willing to sell.
I was wondering why our dear friend Pogo did not give us a link to the story, and just a blurb. Well, because it is on a radical leftist website that advertises (among other things)the sale FOR PROFIT of t-shirts bearing the names of the troops that gave their lives in Iraq with the words BUSH LIED in bold red letters superimposed over the brave soldier's names. Sick. The shirts have been deemed illegal in several states because they use the names of the soldiers without the permission of them or their families. Disgusting. Anyway. Here is the link:
http://www.alternet.org/story/42458/
You may have to hit *refresh* several times to get the story to come up as the ads bog the site down and cause it to lock up.
http://www.alternet.org/story/42458/
You may have to hit *refresh* several times to get the story to come up as the ads bog the site down and cause it to lock up.
Are those people getting rich off of selling liberal t-shirts paying their fair share of taxes? Are the workers that make them unionized and earning their fair share of the profits with full benefits?
I'd bet money that they're not. Irony always makes me laugh.
I'd bet money that they're not. Irony always makes me laugh.
From www.carryabigsticker (the guy who sells the shirts):
Most of our shirts are also produced in the U.S. Yeah, I imagine that those come from American Apparel and those are made by illegals in California.
Before anyone cries "foul!" regarding the legislation that will make it illegal for Mr. Frazier to continue to sell his t-shirts and turn a profit off of the blood of our soldiers, let me clarify. He and others would still be free to produce their anti-war merchandise without permission. They could wear it; they could give it away; they just couldn't sell it.
The STOP (H.R. 5755, the Soldiers Targeted by Offensive Profiteering )Act goes after this handful of unscrupulous vendors looking to turn a profit from our soldiers' sacrifice. It is in no way an attempt to stifle opposition to the war. It is simply a much needed solution to an abuse facing military families across the country. It is sick that a bill such as this is needed, but that is what these scumbags with no sense of decency and respect for the dead have brought on themselves.
Most of our shirts are also produced in the U.S. Yeah, I imagine that those come from American Apparel and those are made by illegals in California.
Before anyone cries "foul!" regarding the legislation that will make it illegal for Mr. Frazier to continue to sell his t-shirts and turn a profit off of the blood of our soldiers, let me clarify. He and others would still be free to produce their anti-war merchandise without permission. They could wear it; they could give it away; they just couldn't sell it.
The STOP (H.R. 5755, the Soldiers Targeted by Offensive Profiteering )Act goes after this handful of unscrupulous vendors looking to turn a profit from our soldiers' sacrifice. It is in no way an attempt to stifle opposition to the war. It is simply a much needed solution to an abuse facing military families across the country. It is sick that a bill such as this is needed, but that is what these scumbags with no sense of decency and respect for the dead have brought on themselves.
quote:Most of our shirts are also produced in the U.S. Yeah, I imagine that those come from American Apparel and those are made by illegals in California.
Key word, "most". Why not all? Why not say "100% made in America with fairly paid unionized workers"? Because it wouldn't be true.
There is one shirt that has all the names of the soldiers who has died in Iraq with the words "Bush Lied Many Died". I wonder how much of the profit this guy makes from selling these is being shared with the families of those soldiers? I don't see how anyone can not be offended by the use of dead soldiers' names for profit.
The KBR contract is for a contingency, not for actual contruction. From the contract it looks like they're planning for housing in case of disaster or a flood of illegal immigrants in a "Camp of the Saints" type scenario.
When I "cut and pasted" the excerpt there were links that did not come out. I left it because I am in a hurry and wasn't sure why it didn't come out. The information was still there where you could find the article.
AlterNet is a liberal site and a legitimate site. The article is written by Marjorie Cohn who is an attorney and president of the National Lawyers Guild and a credible author. They are a liberal organization that represent civil liberties and rights cases. There is nothing wrong with the site or the article.
She has frequently written articles in a number of independent sites.
As she states, the camps are being built and they are. After 30 years of following both I have found the alternative media to be accurate, correct and reliable. A lot more then I can say for the corporate media.
Where are those WMD that they swore there was no doubt Saddam had?
I wonder why people trust them at all anymore without questioning.
AlterNet is a liberal site and a legitimate site. The article is written by Marjorie Cohn who is an attorney and president of the National Lawyers Guild and a credible author. They are a liberal organization that represent civil liberties and rights cases. There is nothing wrong with the site or the article.
She has frequently written articles in a number of independent sites.
As she states, the camps are being built and they are. After 30 years of following both I have found the alternative media to be accurate, correct and reliable. A lot more then I can say for the corporate media.
Where are those WMD that they swore there was no doubt Saddam had?
I wonder why people trust them at all anymore without questioning.
quote:Where are those WMD that they swore there was no doubt Saddam had?
Ask Mrs. Clinton. She agreed with Bush that they were there and voted for the war, too.
quote:I wonder why people trust them at all anymore without questioning.
You tell me, you put a lot of trust in those wacky web sites. Answer this question, have you ever read anything from the "progressive media" that you thought was wrong?
Th National Lawyers Guild was an old red front for CPUSA action since the 1936. Used to be on the Attorney General's list.
Intersting article from the Guild a couple of years ago about what a paradise North Korea was -- no starving peasants. Not a liberal organization, but a hard left one. ADA is a liberal organization.
Intersting article from the Guild a couple of years ago about what a paradise North Korea was -- no starving peasants. Not a liberal organization, but a hard left one. ADA is a liberal organization.
A few quotes from Ms. Cohn:
"In May 2004, Cohn wrote about America's alleged racist propensity to mistreat and torture the human race in every region of the earth. "U.S. soldiers who fought in Vietnam," wrote Cohn, "were trained to think of the North Vietnamese as 'g00ks.' The objectification of the non-white enemy made it more palatable to kill and abuse them. American troops and mercenaries in Iraq likewise objectified their Iraqi prisoners when they sexually abused and sadistically humiliated them in the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. . . . The tortured Iraqi prisoners would have a cause of action in U.S. courts under the War Crimes Act of 1996, which provides for life imprisonment for members of U.S. armed forces or U.S. nationals who commit war crimes. . . . The utter disdain the Bush administration has shown for the human rights of its prisoners and the rule of law belies Bush's claims that he stands for human dignity and freedom. The U.S. government aimed to win the 'hearts and minds' of the Vietnamese people as it rained bombs down on them. It will be no more successful at winning the hearts of minds of the Iraqis, as it bombards Fallujah to avenge the deaths of four mercenaries, and its troops and mercenaries torture Iraqi prisoners."
Spent two tours in Nam, no one ever taught me to refer to Vietnamese as g00ks. Sure, I heard the word, but usually from uneudcated enlisted -- never from NCOs or officers.
The jehadim have been torturing Iraqis constantly and US troops when they get their hands on them. New jehadim trick, kidnap and kill children and leave explosives in their bodies for the parents to find.
"In May 2004, Cohn wrote about America's alleged racist propensity to mistreat and torture the human race in every region of the earth. "U.S. soldiers who fought in Vietnam," wrote Cohn, "were trained to think of the North Vietnamese as 'g00ks.' The objectification of the non-white enemy made it more palatable to kill and abuse them. American troops and mercenaries in Iraq likewise objectified their Iraqi prisoners when they sexually abused and sadistically humiliated them in the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. . . . The tortured Iraqi prisoners would have a cause of action in U.S. courts under the War Crimes Act of 1996, which provides for life imprisonment for members of U.S. armed forces or U.S. nationals who commit war crimes. . . . The utter disdain the Bush administration has shown for the human rights of its prisoners and the rule of law belies Bush's claims that he stands for human dignity and freedom. The U.S. government aimed to win the 'hearts and minds' of the Vietnamese people as it rained bombs down on them. It will be no more successful at winning the hearts of minds of the Iraqis, as it bombards Fallujah to avenge the deaths of four mercenaries, and its troops and mercenaries torture Iraqi prisoners."
Spent two tours in Nam, no one ever taught me to refer to Vietnamese as g00ks. Sure, I heard the word, but usually from uneudcated enlisted -- never from NCOs or officers.
The jehadim have been torturing Iraqis constantly and US troops when they get their hands on them. New jehadim trick, kidnap and kill children and leave explosives in their bodies for the parents to find.
quote:Spent two tours in Nam, no one ever taught me to refer to Vietnamese as g00ks. Sure, I heard the word, but usually from uneudcated enlisted -- never from NCOs or officers.
Just because you were actually there and experienced this yourself doesn't mean it's true. You have to read about it in the progressive media, written by people who weren't even born back then and studied philosophy in college instead of history. They know everything and never distort facts.
yeah, like those Nam vets I run into who were about 12 when it ended. Dam, they must have been big for their age.
Boys, ya'll better watch out. Mr Bush is going to put you in one of those new super secret compounds he's building. Straighten up and fly right. I mean left!
Yes Nash, over the 35 years I have read the progressive media I would say that they have made mistakes here and there. But they were the first to tell me the truth about Vietnam, most of their article were written by returning vets as well as independent journalists who were out in the fields.
I would say that they are much more accurate and reliable then the corporate media which probably has less then a 50% rate of accuracy. It's not that they don't report things it's how they report it, from who's point of view and where in history they start. The corporate media generally leaves out many key facts that change the perspective of what is actually happening. They have actually lied straight out also, like Nicaragua, the Sandinistas, the Contra's and Death Squads of Central Ammerica in the 1980's, and Chavez today. Also, distorting the news is lying.
I like to use the example of the WMD, a recent event that everyone lived through as how reliable the corporate media are. They never questioned Bush and restricted the debate to pro war "experts." The fact that they now never hold Bush accountable for the lies, down play and ignore all evidence that they lied purposely and ignore the impeachment issue is more evidence of their real role of distracting and "manufacturing consent" for government and corporate policies. It amazes me that anyone would give them any credibility. They have a history of it.
The National Lawyers Guild is a respected and credible organization that stands on the forefront of defending our rights. That they make the Attorney General's list is more of a badge of honor then any kind of discredit to them. They oppose government abuse and overstepping our rights and constitution. Just like the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights, all of which I am sure are on government lists, as well as others that dissent.
I graduated high school in 1968. I remember the Vietnam War, it's build up, the lies and had friends who went. The main reason I didn't go was the alternative media and my friends telling me don't go, it's a lie. I also met many others who went also.
The word "****" was a common term used by the soldiers. I will say that I don't remember where the term came from but Cohn is a very credible writer and does not make such charges lightly. She's not someone like these right wing pundits that just mouth off all kinds of nonsense and are never held accountable.
I would say that they are much more accurate and reliable then the corporate media which probably has less then a 50% rate of accuracy. It's not that they don't report things it's how they report it, from who's point of view and where in history they start. The corporate media generally leaves out many key facts that change the perspective of what is actually happening. They have actually lied straight out also, like Nicaragua, the Sandinistas, the Contra's and Death Squads of Central Ammerica in the 1980's, and Chavez today. Also, distorting the news is lying.
I like to use the example of the WMD, a recent event that everyone lived through as how reliable the corporate media are. They never questioned Bush and restricted the debate to pro war "experts." The fact that they now never hold Bush accountable for the lies, down play and ignore all evidence that they lied purposely and ignore the impeachment issue is more evidence of their real role of distracting and "manufacturing consent" for government and corporate policies. It amazes me that anyone would give them any credibility. They have a history of it.
The National Lawyers Guild is a respected and credible organization that stands on the forefront of defending our rights. That they make the Attorney General's list is more of a badge of honor then any kind of discredit to them. They oppose government abuse and overstepping our rights and constitution. Just like the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights, all of which I am sure are on government lists, as well as others that dissent.
I graduated high school in 1968. I remember the Vietnam War, it's build up, the lies and had friends who went. The main reason I didn't go was the alternative media and my friends telling me don't go, it's a lie. I also met many others who went also.
The word "****" was a common term used by the soldiers. I will say that I don't remember where the term came from but Cohn is a very credible writer and does not make such charges lightly. She's not someone like these right wing pundits that just mouth off all kinds of nonsense and are never held accountable.
One more time, the National Lawyers Guild was founded as a front for the Communist Party USA. The CPUSA was funded, in part, directly by the Politburo USSR. The whole despicable covern responsible for about 40 to 50 million people slaughtered in the USSR and the warsaw pact nations. Two days ago, I saw the new memorial to those victims. Such as source is no more respectable than the German-American Bund or any dam klavern.
The Guild still pumped out prose glorifying North Korea -- a nation if China opened its northern border would soon be depopulated.
As to Chavez, he's converting Venezuela to another Cuba. He may overstep if he tries to annex the Dutch Antilles with his new toys. True, the dutch can only put up so much resistance and can't re-supply their forces. But, such actions will trip the NATO treaty.
Why, is the left so in love with strongmen such as Castro and Chavez who shut down all avenues of competetion and rule for life? Didn't you have strong father figure in your lives?
The Guild still pumped out prose glorifying North Korea -- a nation if China opened its northern border would soon be depopulated.
As to Chavez, he's converting Venezuela to another Cuba. He may overstep if he tries to annex the Dutch Antilles with his new toys. True, the dutch can only put up so much resistance and can't re-supply their forces. But, such actions will trip the NATO treaty.
Why, is the left so in love with strongmen such as Castro and Chavez who shut down all avenues of competetion and rule for life? Didn't you have strong father figure in your lives?
quote:I would say that they are much more accurate and reliable then the corporate media which probably has less then a 50% rate of accuracy.
That's the first time I've heard that number, provide your source.
Many of your views are simply not based in reality. Your idea that the middle class is in abject poverty is not what I see every day. I am middle class, my friends are middle class, and my family is middle class. The things you describe are not what I live.
The progressive media is no different than it's counterpart on the right. They both skew the news in order to push their political and social agendas. You should never trust anyone with an agenda, especially when it involves politics. You can put your trust in them if you want, but I can tell as well as others on these boards that you are not truly informed about the world around you.
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
This is sounding like the holocaust deniers, Chomski and his denial of PolPot's killing fields, and the latest claim that no plane hit the second tower -- it was a computer generated image. Don't even get me started about the Pentagon -- I saw that!
Yep, If King George would have listen to the warnings those towers could be standing now.
The warnings were so disparate and diverse, one could investigate leads forever. If Budda's people hadn't put road blocks in the FBI bureacracy, perhaps they would have had better leads. And, wasn't it the Dems that stopped all investigations of religious centers. FBI couldn't even checkout their websites.
interventor
One more time, the National Lawyers Guild was founded as a front for the Communist Party USA. The CPUSA was funded, in part, directly by the Politburo USSR. The whole despicable covern responsible for about 40 to 50 million people slaughtered in the USSR and the warsaw pact nations. Two days ago, I saw the new memorial to those victims. Such as source is no more respectable than the German-American Bund or any dam klavern.
The Guild still pumped out prose glorifying North Korea -- a nation if China opened its northern border would soon be depopulated.
As to Chavez, he's converting Venezuela to another Cuba. He may overstep if he tries to annex the Dutch Antilles with his new toys. True, the dutch can only put up so much resistance and can't re-supply their forces. But, such actions will trip the NATO treaty.
Why, is the left so in love with strongmen such as Castro and Chavez who shut down all avenues of competetion and rule for life? Didn't you have strong father figure in your lives?
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The National Lawyers Guild is ra espected and credible organization. I know during the 30's it defended Communism under Russia and the left was divided over Stalin but a lot of his crimes were hidden until after his death. That's an old debate that the left has been dealing since.
Support was for a system that gave free health, housing, and schooling to it's citizens. It made sure there were no homeless and that every one ate. No one on the left supported murder or ethnic cleansing and the crimes of Stalin. The people of Russia had suffered under the Czar and the oligarchy and supported a new system of fairness, equality and justice. Had nothing to do with Stalin or a dictator. The Capitalist West went to war with the system the minute it came to power.
Chavez is bringing about a fairer distribution of the wealth from Venezuela's oil. His term will end in a few years and he has said he will step down. The propaganda about him is because he is a talking socialism and organizing the countries in Latin America to oppose US domination and Corporate Globalization. It has ruined the lives of millions of average and poor people in Latin America.
Why did the right support military dictatorships, like Pinochet in Chile, the generals of Argentina, and Greece in lthe 1960's and 70's, the murderous regime of El Salvador and Guatemala, Somoza in Nicaragua, the Duvaliers in Haiti and Marco's in the Philippines, the Shah of Iran, Mobuto in the Congo, Shuarto in Indonesia who killed over 800,000 in his coup and ethnic cleansing? All resopnible for killing thousands of their own citizens
Today the Guild, along with a few other groups, are on the forefront of defending our rights.
The left defends justice and a system that brings equality and justice. If you want to see a people who look for a savior look at our presidential candidates and the way people look to them as saviors.
One more time, the National Lawyers Guild was founded as a front for the Communist Party USA. The CPUSA was funded, in part, directly by the Politburo USSR. The whole despicable covern responsible for about 40 to 50 million people slaughtered in the USSR and the warsaw pact nations. Two days ago, I saw the new memorial to those victims. Such as source is no more respectable than the German-American Bund or any dam klavern.
The Guild still pumped out prose glorifying North Korea -- a nation if China opened its northern border would soon be depopulated.
As to Chavez, he's converting Venezuela to another Cuba. He may overstep if he tries to annex the Dutch Antilles with his new toys. True, the dutch can only put up so much resistance and can't re-supply their forces. But, such actions will trip the NATO treaty.
Why, is the left so in love with strongmen such as Castro and Chavez who shut down all avenues of competetion and rule for life? Didn't you have strong father figure in your lives?
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The National Lawyers Guild is ra espected and credible organization. I know during the 30's it defended Communism under Russia and the left was divided over Stalin but a lot of his crimes were hidden until after his death. That's an old debate that the left has been dealing since.
Support was for a system that gave free health, housing, and schooling to it's citizens. It made sure there were no homeless and that every one ate. No one on the left supported murder or ethnic cleansing and the crimes of Stalin. The people of Russia had suffered under the Czar and the oligarchy and supported a new system of fairness, equality and justice. Had nothing to do with Stalin or a dictator. The Capitalist West went to war with the system the minute it came to power.
Chavez is bringing about a fairer distribution of the wealth from Venezuela's oil. His term will end in a few years and he has said he will step down. The propaganda about him is because he is a talking socialism and organizing the countries in Latin America to oppose US domination and Corporate Globalization. It has ruined the lives of millions of average and poor people in Latin America.
Why did the right support military dictatorships, like Pinochet in Chile, the generals of Argentina, and Greece in lthe 1960's and 70's, the murderous regime of El Salvador and Guatemala, Somoza in Nicaragua, the Duvaliers in Haiti and Marco's in the Philippines, the Shah of Iran, Mobuto in the Congo, Shuarto in Indonesia who killed over 800,000 in his coup and ethnic cleansing? All resopnible for killing thousands of their own citizens
Today the Guild, along with a few other groups, are on the forefront of defending our rights.
The left defends justice and a system that brings equality and justice. If you want to see a people who look for a savior look at our presidential candidates and the way people look to them as saviors.
quote:It made sure there were no homeless and that every one ate.
Yep, here's how the people got their food. They waited for hours in the cold for a little bit of stale bread. How long have you waited for bread in our terrible capitalist society?
Tell the people in the picture below that they have things better than we did during that same time.
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quote:Chavez is bringing about a fairer distribution of the wealth
I don't want a fair distribution of the wealth. I want to earn mine and be able to keep it for myself.
What's more fair than keeping what you earn? What's fair about having someone take away money you've worked for and giving it to someone who has done nothing?
There isn't anything more fair then keep what you earn and keep your paws off of other people's stuff. I don't think that is what Chavez has in mind though.
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
Please state whereabouts of such camps. This is an easily verifiable claim, if true.
No, I am used to government bureaucracy and seperating the truth from BS.
Which makes such claims about camps set off my BS detector.
Your B.S. meter should be all the way down the... because there are already camps here, within our borders... and it is not just for the people from other countries either...
It is one scary thought, but they have a list being made as we speak... conspiracy you may think, but that is YOUR problem...
The thing is, there are ALREADY camps here, and more to be built!!!
It hasn't been but about 4-5 months since our very on History Channel had a Special on USA Camps... was very interesting, and extremely eye-opening!!!
Love how the left drools over Chavez's seizure of rival TV stations. Censorship is fine as long as its against their rivals. Chavez is transitioning Venezuela into the next Zimbabwe -20 percent inflation now, do we hear 2000 percent. At least Venezuela produces some gorgeous refugees.
If Chavez even thinks of leaving he'll get the same treatment Allende did -- a bullet in the head from his Cuban body guard.
I'm afraid that nutburger will try a Falklands against the Dutch Antilles for the oil and refineries after his gotten his play pretties from Putin.
And, the Lawyers Guild continues to praise north Korea, etc. Still crazy and red, after all these years.
If Chavez even thinks of leaving he'll get the same treatment Allende did -- a bullet in the head from his Cuban body guard.
I'm afraid that nutburger will try a Falklands against the Dutch Antilles for the oil and refineries after his gotten his play pretties from Putin.
And, the Lawyers Guild continues to praise north Korea, etc. Still crazy and red, after all these years.
Heres a few more item on the Lawyers Guild.
“In 2003 the NLG initiated its Korean Peace Project (KPP), which dispatched a delegation to develop “personal and professional relationships” with leaders in North Korea, to “replace demonizing with dialogue,” and to determine the “real situation,” politically and economically, of life in that country. In a report summarizing their observations in North Korea, the KPP delegates noted that “this was not the Orwellian society George Bush and much of the media is [sic] trying to portray.” “The contrast,” added the report, “between North Korea and its lack of policeman, and North America in which armed police in bulletproof vests are commonplace, was more than striking -- it was startling. If the presence or absence of armed policemen is a criterion for a free society then it speaks volumes about the nature of the two societies.” The report praised North Korea’s free health care and education systems, and the fact that capital punishment was nonexistent in its criminal-justice system. It noted that women are not “objectified in the same ways they sometimes are in the West,” and observed that “[t]he absence of other [political] parties is not considered a failing, as the entire society is socialist.” Chastising the U.S. “for its failure to deal fairly and in good faith” with North Korea, the report stated that “the U.S. government cannot advocate the rule of law and democracy, when it fails to model it itself.”
“The Korean Peace Project is in keeping with the NLG’s propensity to blame the United States for any international conflicts that arise. Four hours after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, for instance, John Wheat Gibson (the Guild’s Texas-Oklahoma Region Co-Vice President) claimed that the U.S. and Israel were most likely responsible for the atrocities of that day.”
“The NLG’s National Immigration Project seeks “to recognize the contributions of immigrants in this country, to promote fair immigration practices, and to expand the civil and human rights of all immigrants, regardless of their status in the United States.” In short, it advocates amnesty for all illegals currently residing in the U.S., and unchecked immigration across open borders henceforth. The Guild further rejects “all deportations and manipulations of the border carried out in the interests of capitalism,” encouraging local NLG chapters to “develop training programs and legal clinics to support mass defense efforts against deportations.”
“On February 17, 2005, the Guild called for a “national day of outrage” to protest the prosecution and conviction of NLG member Lynne Stewart, the self-proclaimed "radical attorney" who had illegally facilitated communication between her incarcerated client Omar Abdel Rahman and his Egypt-based terrorist organization, the Islamic Group.”
My note here: That trick by Ms. Stewart got people killed. Interventor
“In 2003 the NLG initiated its Korean Peace Project (KPP), which dispatched a delegation to develop “personal and professional relationships” with leaders in North Korea, to “replace demonizing with dialogue,” and to determine the “real situation,” politically and economically, of life in that country. In a report summarizing their observations in North Korea, the KPP delegates noted that “this was not the Orwellian society George Bush and much of the media is [sic] trying to portray.” “The contrast,” added the report, “between North Korea and its lack of policeman, and North America in which armed police in bulletproof vests are commonplace, was more than striking -- it was startling. If the presence or absence of armed policemen is a criterion for a free society then it speaks volumes about the nature of the two societies.” The report praised North Korea’s free health care and education systems, and the fact that capital punishment was nonexistent in its criminal-justice system. It noted that women are not “objectified in the same ways they sometimes are in the West,” and observed that “[t]he absence of other [political] parties is not considered a failing, as the entire society is socialist.” Chastising the U.S. “for its failure to deal fairly and in good faith” with North Korea, the report stated that “the U.S. government cannot advocate the rule of law and democracy, when it fails to model it itself.”
“The Korean Peace Project is in keeping with the NLG’s propensity to blame the United States for any international conflicts that arise. Four hours after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, for instance, John Wheat Gibson (the Guild’s Texas-Oklahoma Region Co-Vice President) claimed that the U.S. and Israel were most likely responsible for the atrocities of that day.”
“The NLG’s National Immigration Project seeks “to recognize the contributions of immigrants in this country, to promote fair immigration practices, and to expand the civil and human rights of all immigrants, regardless of their status in the United States.” In short, it advocates amnesty for all illegals currently residing in the U.S., and unchecked immigration across open borders henceforth. The Guild further rejects “all deportations and manipulations of the border carried out in the interests of capitalism,” encouraging local NLG chapters to “develop training programs and legal clinics to support mass defense efforts against deportations.”
“On February 17, 2005, the Guild called for a “national day of outrage” to protest the prosecution and conviction of NLG member Lynne Stewart, the self-proclaimed "radical attorney" who had illegally facilitated communication between her incarcerated client Omar Abdel Rahman and his Egypt-based terrorist organization, the Islamic Group.”
My note here: That trick by Ms. Stewart got people killed. Interventor
interventor:
Love how the left drools over Chavez's seizure of rival TV stations. Censorship is fine as long as its against their rivals. Chavez is transitioning Venezuela into the next Zimbabwe -20 percent inflation now, do we hear 2000 percent. At least Venezuela produces some gorgeous refugees.
If Chavez even thinks of leaving he'll get the same treatment Allende did -- a bullet in the head from his Cuban body guard.
I'm afraid that nutburger will try a Falklands against the Dutch Antilles for the oil and refineries after his gotten his play pretties from Putin.
And, the Lawyers Guild continues to praise north Korea, etc. Still crazy and red, after all these years.
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interventor::
Heres a few more item on the Lawyers Guild.
“In 2003 the NLG initiated its Korean Peace Project (KPP), which dispatched a delegation to develop “personal and professional relationships” with leaders in North Korea, to “replace demonizing with dialogue,” and to determine the “real situation,” politically and economically, of life in that country. In a report summarizing their observations in North Korea, the KPP delegates noted that “this was not the Orwellian society George Bush and much of the media is [sic] trying to portray.” “The contrast,” added the report, “between North Korea and its lack of policeman, and North America in which armed police in bulletproof vests are commonplace, was more than striking -- it was startling. If the presence or absence of armed policemen is a criterion for a free society then it speaks volumes about the nature of the two societies.” The report praised North Korea’s free health care and education systems, and the fact that capital punishment was nonexistent in its criminal-justice system. It noted that women are not “objectified in the same ways they sometimes are in the West,” and observed that “[t]he absence of other [political] parties is not considered a failing, as the entire society is socialist.” Chastising the U.S. “for its failure to deal fairly and in good faith” with North Korea, the report stated that “the U.S. government cannot advocate the rule of law and democracy, when it fails to model it itself.”
“The Korean Peace Project is in keeping with the NLG’s propensity to blame the United States for any international conflicts that arise. Four hours after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, for instance, John Wheat Gibson (the Guild’s Texas-Oklahoma Region Co-Vice President) claimed that the U.S. and Israel were most likely responsible for the atrocities of that day.”
“The NLG’s National Immigration Project seeks “to recognize the contributions of immigrants in this country, to promote fair immigration practices, and to expand the civil and human rights of all immigrants, regardless of their status in the United States.” In short, it advocates amnesty for all illegals currently residing in the U.S., and unchecked immigration across open borders henceforth. The Guild further rejects “all deportations and manipulations of the border carried out in the interests of capitalism,” encouraging local NLG chapters to “develop training programs and legal clinics to support mass defense efforts against deportations.”
“On February 17, 2005, the Guild called for a “national day of outrage” to protest the prosecution and conviction of NLG member Lynne Stewart, the self-proclaimed "radical attorney" who had illegally facilitated communication between her incarcerated client Omar Abdel Rahman and his Egypt-based terrorist organization, the Islamic Group.”
My note here: That trick by Ms. Stewart got people killed. Interventor
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The station that Chavez refused to renew it's license backed the illegal coup. It's propaganda was an instrumental player in the coup. There are still other privately owned stations in Venezuela and an active free press. The NY Times, who has been a constant critic of Chavez actually ran a story on Sat about a former producer of that station that quit during the coup because of the stations active participation in it.
Chavez is opening a TV station similar to CNN that will cover Latin America by Latin American journalists and prospective so that it can get the truth out.
Chavez was freely elected twice and in a referendum and said he will not run again. It is no secret that the US would like to kill him and probably have attempted to do so. It denied for years trying to kill Castro but it is now forced to admit it did try. It supported the coup against him.
The National Layers Guild made a trip to North Korea as a peace delegation. I don't think that's such a bad idea. It looks for areas of cooperation and peace in which to further dialogue and defuse a crises instead of the war talk from the US government and corporate media. It highlights a different report then what we see in the US media. It has made observations that I wasn't aware of.
I know that relations with Korea were fine until Bush took office and nixed all cooperation deals with them and called Kim Jong Ill a "despicable pygmy" among other things and started up the current crises. Bush represents the Corporate "Economic Royalists" Class and the Military Industrial Complex that profits off wars. Which is why Bush has started so many while in office. Including his war on working people.
I basically agree with it's stance on immigration and so do many groups. Although I don't believe they say they are for "unchecked" immigration. They are just for allowing more immigrants into the country. They recognize the increase is coming from our corporate globalization and trade policies and making criminals out of them is not going to solve the problems. Millions of people also support these measures for reform, including amnesty and citizenship. There were always anti immigration movements throughout US history, today's is nothing new.
Lynn Stewart was convicted of violating prison agreements to not pass on statements of Rahman to his followers. I heard her speak about it on the radio. She said she could have legally fought these terms but it would take years in court so she agreed. But then she held a press conference in which she read Radman's statement that he doubted the sincerity of the Egyptian governments agreement to a cease fire but since he was not there the group would have to decide for itself. Moburak is corrupt and repressive. All you have to do is pick up the paper and read about his opponents that speak out and are jailed. They also use torure. There is a huge wealth gap in Egypt with a small wealthy class and the majority poor.
She was not responsible for any deaths. It wasn't like she was passing on coded attack plans in the middle of the night. That's the spin the corporate media led people to believe. As usual they are the mouth piece for the govenrment.
The National Lawyers Guild was not the only organization to defend and support her as her prosecution was a test case by the government to silence and scare lawyers who may want to defend other suspects charged by the US government. A person's right to a lawyer and to due process is a legal process that should be defended and is the corner stone of any just society.
She has since said that she was wrong to violate the agreement but did so in her zeal to defend her client. She received a shorter sentence of two years with the judge noting her years of service to the public, the poor and her defense of civil rights cases and the number of respected individuals and organizations that had written in suport of her.
The National Lawyers Guild was only one of them.
Love how the left drools over Chavez's seizure of rival TV stations. Censorship is fine as long as its against their rivals. Chavez is transitioning Venezuela into the next Zimbabwe -20 percent inflation now, do we hear 2000 percent. At least Venezuela produces some gorgeous refugees.
If Chavez even thinks of leaving he'll get the same treatment Allende did -- a bullet in the head from his Cuban body guard.
I'm afraid that nutburger will try a Falklands against the Dutch Antilles for the oil and refineries after his gotten his play pretties from Putin.
And, the Lawyers Guild continues to praise north Korea, etc. Still crazy and red, after all these years.
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interventor::
Heres a few more item on the Lawyers Guild.
“In 2003 the NLG initiated its Korean Peace Project (KPP), which dispatched a delegation to develop “personal and professional relationships” with leaders in North Korea, to “replace demonizing with dialogue,” and to determine the “real situation,” politically and economically, of life in that country. In a report summarizing their observations in North Korea, the KPP delegates noted that “this was not the Orwellian society George Bush and much of the media is [sic] trying to portray.” “The contrast,” added the report, “between North Korea and its lack of policeman, and North America in which armed police in bulletproof vests are commonplace, was more than striking -- it was startling. If the presence or absence of armed policemen is a criterion for a free society then it speaks volumes about the nature of the two societies.” The report praised North Korea’s free health care and education systems, and the fact that capital punishment was nonexistent in its criminal-justice system. It noted that women are not “objectified in the same ways they sometimes are in the West,” and observed that “[t]he absence of other [political] parties is not considered a failing, as the entire society is socialist.” Chastising the U.S. “for its failure to deal fairly and in good faith” with North Korea, the report stated that “the U.S. government cannot advocate the rule of law and democracy, when it fails to model it itself.”
“The Korean Peace Project is in keeping with the NLG’s propensity to blame the United States for any international conflicts that arise. Four hours after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, for instance, John Wheat Gibson (the Guild’s Texas-Oklahoma Region Co-Vice President) claimed that the U.S. and Israel were most likely responsible for the atrocities of that day.”
“The NLG’s National Immigration Project seeks “to recognize the contributions of immigrants in this country, to promote fair immigration practices, and to expand the civil and human rights of all immigrants, regardless of their status in the United States.” In short, it advocates amnesty for all illegals currently residing in the U.S., and unchecked immigration across open borders henceforth. The Guild further rejects “all deportations and manipulations of the border carried out in the interests of capitalism,” encouraging local NLG chapters to “develop training programs and legal clinics to support mass defense efforts against deportations.”
“On February 17, 2005, the Guild called for a “national day of outrage” to protest the prosecution and conviction of NLG member Lynne Stewart, the self-proclaimed "radical attorney" who had illegally facilitated communication between her incarcerated client Omar Abdel Rahman and his Egypt-based terrorist organization, the Islamic Group.”
My note here: That trick by Ms. Stewart got people killed. Interventor
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The station that Chavez refused to renew it's license backed the illegal coup. It's propaganda was an instrumental player in the coup. There are still other privately owned stations in Venezuela and an active free press. The NY Times, who has been a constant critic of Chavez actually ran a story on Sat about a former producer of that station that quit during the coup because of the stations active participation in it.
Chavez is opening a TV station similar to CNN that will cover Latin America by Latin American journalists and prospective so that it can get the truth out.
Chavez was freely elected twice and in a referendum and said he will not run again. It is no secret that the US would like to kill him and probably have attempted to do so. It denied for years trying to kill Castro but it is now forced to admit it did try. It supported the coup against him.
The National Layers Guild made a trip to North Korea as a peace delegation. I don't think that's such a bad idea. It looks for areas of cooperation and peace in which to further dialogue and defuse a crises instead of the war talk from the US government and corporate media. It highlights a different report then what we see in the US media. It has made observations that I wasn't aware of.
I know that relations with Korea were fine until Bush took office and nixed all cooperation deals with them and called Kim Jong Ill a "despicable pygmy" among other things and started up the current crises. Bush represents the Corporate "Economic Royalists" Class and the Military Industrial Complex that profits off wars. Which is why Bush has started so many while in office. Including his war on working people.
I basically agree with it's stance on immigration and so do many groups. Although I don't believe they say they are for "unchecked" immigration. They are just for allowing more immigrants into the country. They recognize the increase is coming from our corporate globalization and trade policies and making criminals out of them is not going to solve the problems. Millions of people also support these measures for reform, including amnesty and citizenship. There were always anti immigration movements throughout US history, today's is nothing new.
Lynn Stewart was convicted of violating prison agreements to not pass on statements of Rahman to his followers. I heard her speak about it on the radio. She said she could have legally fought these terms but it would take years in court so she agreed. But then she held a press conference in which she read Radman's statement that he doubted the sincerity of the Egyptian governments agreement to a cease fire but since he was not there the group would have to decide for itself. Moburak is corrupt and repressive. All you have to do is pick up the paper and read about his opponents that speak out and are jailed. They also use torure. There is a huge wealth gap in Egypt with a small wealthy class and the majority poor.
She was not responsible for any deaths. It wasn't like she was passing on coded attack plans in the middle of the night. That's the spin the corporate media led people to believe. As usual they are the mouth piece for the govenrment.
The National Lawyers Guild was not the only organization to defend and support her as her prosecution was a test case by the government to silence and scare lawyers who may want to defend other suspects charged by the US government. A person's right to a lawyer and to due process is a legal process that should be defended and is the corner stone of any just society.
She has since said that she was wrong to violate the agreement but did so in her zeal to defend her client. She received a shorter sentence of two years with the judge noting her years of service to the public, the poor and her defense of civil rights cases and the number of respected individuals and organizations that had written in suport of her.
The National Lawyers Guild was only one of them.
quote:Chavez is opening a TV station similar to CNN that will cover Latin America by Latin American journalists and prospective so that it can get the truth out.
I don't see how anyone can say something completely absurd with a straight face. Chavez refused to renew the license of a TV station that criticised him and has shut down several radio stations for speaking out against him. He may say they backed an illegal coup, but do you know that for sure? Do you really trust a dictator not to lie to you? Socialist dictators do not open broadcast stations "get the truth out", the use them as propaganda tools. Chavez does not allow freedom of speech like we have.
Here is an excellent site that someone on these boards posted. This shows just how well socialism works in Venezuela and Cuba. This is the truth Castro and Chavez wants to prevent the rest of the world from seeing.
http://www.therealcuba.com/