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I hope that they will continue studying and instead find a way to instead use adult stem cells for this.
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I believe people are assuming that these "embryonic" cells are sliced from live little babies. That could not be further from the truth. I can never fathom why people would have any compunctions about farming these cells for potentially life-saving medical treatment.
The fact is that stem cells from a blastocyst (it is NOT technically an "embryo") is a 4 to 5 day old microscopic mass of cells consisting of about 150 cells - any more than that the cells differentiate and become useless.
In research, a part of this blastocyst is culled and the cells are stimulated to start duplicating. From that one very small mass of cells, millions of new cells can be generated.
No "humans" are harmed in this process.
The fact is that stem cells from a blastocyst (it is NOT technically an "embryo") is a 4 to 5 day old microscopic mass of cells consisting of about 150 cells - any more than that the cells differentiate and become useless.
In research, a part of this blastocyst is culled and the cells are stimulated to start duplicating. From that one very small mass of cells, millions of new cells can be generated.
No "humans" are harmed in this process.
Is this what is collected when someone opts to store their child's cord blood?
In the already extended life of Stem Cell research, how many miracle cures have been perfected? It appears to me that all of the "potential" cures are purely hypothetical...time for a reality check...where are the results?
The republicans won't ALLOW it!!!
I've heard of several Leukemia cases being cured by the use of cells from cord blood.
Shell,
Most notably, bone marrow stem cells have been used for 30 years to successfully treat chemotherapy patients.
The frenzy now is that we finally have the technology to apply the treatments to all sorts of other harder-to-treat maladies such as heart attacks, blindness, growing new corneas and even baldness.
Most notably, bone marrow stem cells have been used for 30 years to successfully treat chemotherapy patients.
The frenzy now is that we finally have the technology to apply the treatments to all sorts of other harder-to-treat maladies such as heart attacks, blindness, growing new corneas and even baldness.
Documentation...??? I watch a lot of news and I have totally missed any reporting of this success.
quote:Originally posted by TomSelleck:
The republicans won't ALLOW it!!!
NOT TRUE, check your facts. The Republicans DID allow Stem Cell research on a supply of stem cells already available and they did limit GOVERNMENT funding on creating future stem cell populations for research purposes. Private sector stem cell research, medical/pharmaceutical research is not governed by political fortunes.
This is exciting, I agree with Mark Henderson when he says,"We are on the verge of a revolution in personalized medicine."
However, this is just the tip of the iceberg, check out Craig Venter.
However, this is just the tip of the iceberg, check out Craig Venter.
quote:Originally posted by TomSelleck:
The republicans won't ALLOW it!!!
With the Democrats controlling the House of Representatives, Senate and the White House, the Republicans couldn't stop a run away "dust bunny", so now is the time for "full speed ahead" for the Dems.
quote:Originally posted by Skeptik:
Shell,
Most notably, bone marrow stem cells have been used for 30 years to successfully treat chemotherapy patients.
The frenzy now is that we finally have the technology to apply the treatments to all sorts of other harder-to-treat maladies such as heart attacks, blindness, growing new corneas and even baldness.
Skep, that bone marrow thing has SOME success, far from 100%, with Leukemia patients not necessarily Chemotherapy patients.
I am not sure Bone Marrow transplants and stem cell are one and the same...will check webMD.com.
quote:Originally posted by Skeptik:
I believe people are assuming that these "embryonic" cells are sliced from live little babies. That could not be further from the truth. I can never fathom why people would have any compunctions about farming these cells for potentially life-saving medical treatment.
The fact is that stem cells from a blastocyst (it is NOT technically an "embryo") is a 4 to 5 day old microscopic mass of cells consisting of about 150 cells - any more than that the cells differentiate and become useless.
In research, a part of this blastocyst is culled and the cells are stimulated to start duplicating. From that one very small mass of cells, millions of new cells can be generated.
No "humans" are harmed in this process.
How do they come by these blastocycts? Do they fertilize in a dish?
quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR:quote:Originally posted by Skeptik:
Shell,
Most notably, bone marrow stem cells have been used for 30 years to successfully treat chemotherapy patients.
The frenzy now is that we finally have the technology to apply the treatments to all sorts of other harder-to-treat maladies such as heart attacks, blindness, growing new corneas and even baldness.
Skep, that bone marrow thing has SOME success, far from 100%, with Leukemia patients not necessarily Chemotherapy patients.
I am not sure Bone Marrow transplants and stem cell are one and the same...will check webMD.com.
According to Sloan Kettering Cancer Center of New York, the Bone Marrow transplant procedure is a Stem Cell process involving a compatible, Living Adult Bone Marrow donor...not embryonic stem cells.
quote:Originally posted by SaltyDog:
How do they come by these blastocycts? Do they fertilize in a dish?
Yes. That is exactly how they come to be.
quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Skep, that bone marrow thing has SOME success, far from 100%, with Leukemia patients not necessarily Chemotherapy patients.
Isn't that like saying that heart surgery has "some success"? Would you withhold this treatment from your own child because it only had "some" success?
Even if there were NO success yet, stem cell therapy has the potential for being one of the most wondrous treatments ever discovered.
What is so upsetting about this is that people like you still somehow insist that these blastocysts (that hold the most potential for curative treatments) are somehow "blessed" with a magical property that makes them off limits to medical study.
What exactly is this magical property that makes them off limits, Shell?
quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
According to Sloan Kettering Cancer Center of New York, the Bone Marrow transplant procedure is a Stem Cell process involving a compatible, Living Adult Bone Marrow donor...not embryonic stem cells.
Your original question asked for successful stem cell therapies. You were under the assumption that there were none. I provided you with just one example. There are hundreds (thousands) of other treatments that are taking place right now, Shell.
Of all the available lines of stem cells, embryonic stem cells show the most potential. It very well could be that we find a source of adult cells that have as much potency but we have not done so yet.
quote:Originally posted by Dr.Nim:
We doctor's have known about this, but we can only do what we are allowed to do.
Dr., you need to have that apostrophe removed. STAT!
quote:Originally posted by Dr.Nim:
We doctor's have known about this, but we can only do what we are allowed to do.
Wow. No grammar courses in med school?
quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
In the already extended life of Stem Cell research, how many miracle cures have been perfected? It appears to me that all of the "potential" cures are purely hypothetical...time for a reality check...where are the results?
Hi Shel,
There have been a number of positive successes, i.e., cures -- using human stem cells and umbilical cord stem cells. There is truly an amazing future of cures to look forward to in this arena.
On the other hand, the only results produced so far by embryonic stem cell research -- is to produce tumors in lab rats. Oh, and the other result of embryonic stem cell research is to add to the total of dead babies already amassed by the abortionists. Quite an accomplishment!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by Skeptik:Isn't that like saying that heart surgery has "some success"? Would you withhold this treatment from your own child because it only had "some" success? Even if there were NO success yet, stem cell therapy has the potential for being one of the most wondrous treatments ever discovered.quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR: Skep, that bone marrow thing has SOME success, far from 100%, with Leukemia patients not necessarily
Hi Skep,
You asked Shel if he would withhold treatment from his child because the cure only has "some" success. Let's turn that around, since you strongly support embryonic stem cell research -- and believe it will "eventually" provide some positive results -- regardless of its dismal record to date.
Would you volunteer to have your next child or grandchild sacrificed so that his/her embryonic stem cells can be harvested -- so that some "pie in the sky" researcher can have its cells?
I presume you have children. Which one of YOUR children would you have voluntarily sacrificed to provide embryonic stem cells for our research scientists?
Just a thought.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by Skeptik:
I can never fathom why people would have any compunctions about farming these cells for potentially life-saving medical treatment.
Because you are talking about people who sit around and revel in the idea of the planet being destroyed by fire.. most of us murdered.. and ascending to the heavens to live forever worshiping a deity they can't prove exists
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Skeptik:Isn't that like saying that heart surgery has "some success"? Would you withhold this treatment from your own child because it only had "some" success? Even if there were NO success yet, stem cell therapy has the potential for being one of the most wondrous treatments ever discovered.quote:Originally posted by SHELDIVR: Skep, that bone marrow thing has SOME success, far from 100%, with Leukemia patients not necessarily
Hi Skep,
You asked Shel if he would withhold treatment from his child because the cure only has "some" success. Let's turn that around, since you strongly support embryonic stem cell research -- and believe it will "eventually" provide some positive results -- regardless of its dismal record to date.
Would you volunteer to have your next child or grandchild sacrificed so that his/her embryonic stem cells can be harvested -- so that some "pie in the sky" researcher can have its cells?
I presume you have children. Which one of YOUR children would you have voluntarily sacrificed to provide embryonic stem cells for our research scientists?
Just a thought.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Would you volunteer for some regressive reconstruction therapy?
quote:Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:quote:Originally posted by Skeptik:
I can never fathom why people would have any compunctions about farming these cells for potentially life-saving medical treatment.
Because you are talking about people who sit around and revel in the idea of the planet being destroyed by fire.. most of us murdered.. and ascending to the heavens to live forever worshiping a deity they can't prove exists
That is certainly a warm and fuzzy thought! I think I'll go to bed on that.
