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Well, of course. The overpaid executives need more vacation homes in Bora Bora. The poor underprivileged things. Roll Eyes

Don't tell me this is a result of Obamacare! Don't even try it! They've been pulling this crap for years.

I've changed my mind; I now hope Obamacare causes these greedy insurance companies to fold. I'd rather go without than pay their ransom. I'd rather have full-on socialized healthcare!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/blue-...al/story?id=12555419

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Tens of thousands health insurance policyholders in California begin the new year bracing for rate hikes of up to 59 percent in the coming months -- and they are not the only insurance company hiking rates. Wendy Lemlin recently found out her rates are going up too.

"I will probably drop my health insurance and pray that I continue to be as healthy as I've been," she said today.

Under the new health care reform law, the federal government is able to shine a spotlight on rate increases, but it can't reject them. To customers like Lemlin who want someone to confront the insurance companies, Secretary of Health and Homeland Security Kathleen Sebelius said "that's really what the state authority would do."

In California, the state insurance commissioner does not have full regulatory authority over rate increases. Sebelius recommended customers contact their state legislators directly to urge them to fix it....

Californians like Michael Frasier, who runs a sporting goods company, say they feel helpless. "I feel like there's nothing I can do about this since it's out of my hands, and there's no law to prevent this right now in California."

He first thought the letter from Blue Shield telling him of his 59 percent rate increase "was a joke."

But now, reality is setting in -- beginning March 1 his monthly payment will increase from $271 to $431. "I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I'm considering dropping my health care insurance completely. It's kind of scary at 53."

Blue Shield in San Francisco said 193,000 policyholders will see increases averaging 30 to 35 percent after three separate rate hikes since October.

In a statement issued today, Blue Shield said the new rates "reflect trends that were building long before health reform" and "our individual market medical costs are rising." Blue Shield of California said it expects to lose tens of millions of dollars on its individual healthcare business in 2010 and 2011.

Blaming the tough economy is "pretty outrageous," Frasier said. "If I tried to charge my clients 59 percent more, they would laugh me out of the room."

The national health care reform law will eventually allow the federal government to spotlight rate hikes that it deems excessive, discriminatory or unjustified, but those rules will not be final for months and will not stop rate increaso by Blue Shield of California.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services unveiled health insurance rate review regulations on Tuesday, requiring justification for all increases of more than 10 percent. The proposed regulations defer to states' review laws.

Blue Shield said its new rates meet the federal requirement that 80 percent of premiums be spent on healthcare expenses....

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Blue Shield said its new rates meet the federal requirement that 80 percent of premiums be spent on healthcare expenses....


Not too long ago, a Medical Loss Ratio of 80% was unheard of. In the 1990's, MLR was generally in the 92-96% range. It has declined steadily. 20% for overhead in an operation that has no real assets other than some computers and office furniture is a sign of really bad management. Thats the luxury of being a market share monopoly, like BCBS in AlObama.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I want to know who the heck considers a 26 year old a CHILD!


Well, if 26-year-olds could find jobs with insurance in this country anymore, they wouldn't have to stay on their parents' insurance plan until age 26. The reality is, the jobs are gone - replaced by cheap, foreign labor, or by technology. College grads are moving back home with mom and dad at an alarming rate, but not by choice. They're having trouble finding even part-time work.

I know it's easy to discount these young people as just being lazy, but the reality is THERE AREN'T ANY JOBS!!!

It's funny....you conservatives would be complaining if these 26-year-olds elected not to stay on mom and dad's insurance plan, then had to have some expensive ER treatment that your tax money ended up paying for. What else are they suppose to do?

That's the reality of life in America in 2011.

The only thing America is number one at anymore is military spending. We should be ashamed.
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Hey you can always go to Cuba for your health care. Michael Moore says its better that the USA’s. So the next time you get sick, go see Castro, he’ll make it all better.


No one said anything about going to Cuba, Jobe. I said America's no longer number one - in anything, other than invading and rebuilding other countries.
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It's funny....you conservatives would be complaining if these 26-year-olds elected not to stay on mom and dad's insurance plan, then had to have some expensive ER treatment that your tax money ended up paying for. What else are they suppose to do?

And now you liberals are complaining because you are having to pay for what you wanted. Did you really think all this coverage was going to be free? That the insurance companies were going to eat this expense? Get real.
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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
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It's funny....you conservatives would be complaining if these 26-year-olds elected not to stay on mom and dad's insurance plan, then had to have some expensive ER treatment that your tax money ended up paying for. What else are they suppose to do?

And now you liberals are complaining because you are having to pay for what you wanted. Did you really think all this coverage was going to be free? That the insurance companies were going to eat this expense? Get real.


You must not have insurance. Are you even in the USA legally? Since 1991, my health insurance has gone up 500%, my deductible has gone up 1000%, and annual out of pocket has gone up 800%, which if you're good at math you'll realize that is about 3-4x the rate of inflation. Fix that and I'll pay your OBama induced coverage increases.
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I know it's easy to discount these young people as just being lazy, but the reality is THERE AREN'T ANY JOBS!!!

Show me where I said lazy. I said who calls a 26 year old woman or man a child? What about 26 year olds that can't move back in with mommy and daddy? The Menendez brother's lawyer kept referring to them as "the boys" instead of men in an effort to make them seem more vunerable. Poor little "boys".
So the Feds can force Americans to buy insurance or pay fines, but they can only "shed light" on insurance companies that raise the premiums excessively for no reason -- that is the biggest crock of horse pucky I've ever heard. The feds refuse to say anything about the increased premiums because they WANT people to get ticked off at the private companies and force our nation into socialized healthcare. This is Obamacare at it's finest. We can force you, the lowly citizen, to bend to our will one way or another.
Okay, let's just hit the insurance companies where it really counts, profit margin. LET'S REVISE THE BILL WITH A PUBLIC OPTION as originally planned. Who killed that idea that would have forced insurance companies to compete with a collective pool of insured through a government plan like the one that all federal employees have NOW?????????????? Oh yeah, HELL NO BOEHNER and the rethuglicans!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
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It's funny....you conservatives would be complaining if these 26-year-olds elected not to stay on mom and dad's insurance plan, then had to have some expensive ER treatment that your tax money ended up paying for. What else are they suppose to do?

And now you liberals are complaining because you are having to pay for what you wanted. Did you really think all this coverage was going to be free? That the insurance companies were going to eat this expense? Get real.


Who said anything about it being free? Cite that, please.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Don't tell me this is a result of Obamacare! Don't even try it!


Ok. It's not the result of Obamacare. It actually is, but if you'd rather pretend it's not I guess that fine by me.


Private health insurers have been raising rates and denying legitimate claims for years, so I must ask: Proof?
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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I know it's easy to discount these young people as just being lazy, but the reality is THERE AREN'T ANY JOBS!!!

Show me where I said lazy. I said who calls a 26 year old woman or man a child? What about 26 year olds that can't move back in with mommy and daddy? The Menendez brother's lawyer kept referring to them as "the boys" instead of men in an effort to make them seem more vunerable. Poor little "boys".


I didn't say you said "lazy", but you seemed to imply as much. If they can't get jobs that offer insurance, what are they supposed to do?

As an aside, as a lover of all things pop culture, I do give you props for injecting the Menendez brothers into this...for what reason, I don't know, but I give you points for trying to make some kind of point (I assume?).
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Did you really think all this coverage was going to be free?

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Who said anything about it being free? Cite that, please.


I asked the question. My point was that if more people are going to be covered the cost is going to go up. Simple economics.

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You must not have insurance. Are you even in the USA legally? Since 1991, my health insurance has gone up 500%, my deductible has gone up 1000%, and annual out of pocket has gone up 800%, which if you're good at math you'll realize that is about 3-4x the rate of inflation. Fix that and I'll pay your OBama induced coverage increases.

Yes, I have insurance and my premium and my deductible went up this month. What are your figures for how much healthcare (drugs, doctor's fees, hospital charges, etc.) has gone up. I'm not denying that healthcare costs have gotten outlandish but it is not all the insurance companies. There are a lot of other factors that are driving the cost up, i.e. the unemployed, the illegals, the deadbeats, the people that are having children they cannot pay for causing tax payers and the people that are insured to cover the cost, people that are "sue happy", etc. And while you're quoting statics, what is the precentage that your salary and taxes gone up during the same time period?
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
Well, if 26-year-olds could find jobs with insurance in this country anymore, they wouldn't have to stay on their parents' insurance plan until age 26.


I have to partially disagree with you here. My parents didnt have health insurance when I graduated high school in 93. Didnt have the money to put me through college either. I took responsibility for myself and JOINED THE MILITARY. Three squares a day, taught me a trade and provided health and dental care. All the way up to the point that I made the decision to leave the service and go out on my own.

The majority of college I used the campus health center. They did fine and were cheap. Then, when I graduated, I had more than the college on my resume, I had work experience.

All we did extending the age to 26 was give young adults more reason and ability to live at home, off momma and daddy, for as long as possible. Thats the message we send. Dont take personal responsibility, live off someone else for as long as possible. Here, through entitlement programs, its the way of our world in the here and now......

Captain
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
Well, if 26-year-olds could find jobs with insurance in this country anymore, they wouldn't have to stay on their parents' insurance plan until age 26.


I have to partially disagree with you here. My parents didnt have health insurance when I graduated high school in 93. Didnt have the money to put me through college either. I took responsibility for myself and JOINED THE MILITARY. Three squares a day, taught me a trade and provided health and dental care. All the way up to the point that I made the decision to leave the service and go out on my own.

The majority of college I used the campus health center. They did fine and were cheap. Then, when I graduated, I had more than the college on my resume, I had work experience.

All we did extending the age to 26 was give young adults more reason and ability to live at home, off momma and daddy, for as long as possible. Thats the message we send. Dont take personal responsibility, live off someone else for as long as possible. Here, through entitlement programs, its the way of our world in the here and now......

Captain


So you're comparing the economy of 1993 to the economy of 2011? (And, for that matter, the economy of 2008, 2009 and 2010?) There's no difference?

Tell me, specifically, where are the jobs?

(Very few young people want to give their lives away to the military; they now understand the reality of the failed promises, and no longer buy into the lies. I, for one, will NEVER allow my son to join, and have told my husband that I'd haunt him if he allowed my son to join - if I were to die before that time. It's BS.)
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As an aside, as a lover of all things pop culture, I do give you props for injecting the Menendez brothers into this...for what reason, I don't know, but I give you points for trying to make some kind of point (I assume?).

I thought you of all people would understand that reference. Talking about keeping 26 year old men and women on their parents insurance requires calling them "children" to divert attention from the fact that they are grown ups and need to be making their own way. Trying to make them appear "vulnerable" by calling them children is as ridiculous as calling the Menendez brothers "the boys".
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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As an aside, as a lover of all things pop culture, I do give you props for injecting the Menendez brothers into this...for what reason, I don't know, but I give you points for trying to make some kind of point (I assume?).

I thought you of all people would understand that reference. Talking about keeping 26 year old men and women on their parents insurance requires calling them "children" to divert attention from the fact that they are grown ups and need to be making their own way. Trying to make them appear "vulnerable" by calling them children is as ridiculous as calling the Menendez brothers "the boys".


Okay, but you didn't answer the question: Where are the jobs (with insurance)?
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
Well, if 26-year-olds could find jobs with insurance in this country anymore, they wouldn't have to stay on their parents' insurance plan until age 26.


I have to partially disagree with you here. My parents didnt have health insurance when I graduated high school in 93. Didnt have the money to put me through college either. I took responsibility for myself and JOINED THE MILITARY. Three squares a day, taught me a trade and provided health and dental care. All the way up to the point that I made the decision to leave the service and go out on my own.

The majority of college I used the campus health center. They did fine and were cheap. Then, when I graduated, I had more than the college on my resume, I had work experience.

All we did extending the age to 26 was give young adults more reason and ability to live at home, off momma and daddy, for as long as possible. Thats the message we send. Dont take personal responsibility, live off someone else for as long as possible. Here, through entitlement programs, its the way of our world in the here and now......

Captain


So you're comparing the economy of 1993 to the economy of 2011? (And, for that matter, the economy of 2008 and 2009?) There's no difference?

Tell me, specifically, where are the jobs?


Im saying the 'economy' of my familys situation in 1993 is no different than that of today. We didnt have a thing then, parents jobs were outsourced to Mexico (both worked for a shoe factory) and they were laid off. The little work they could find didnt have insurance.

So, yes, I am comparing the (my) economy of 1993 to today. And the same opportunity I had is available today. The military takes recruits everyday. Dont want to go to war, join the Navy and float around for a couple of years. Take responsibility for your situation and think outside the box.....

Captain
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
Well, if 26-year-olds could find jobs with insurance in this country anymore, they wouldn't have to stay on their parents' insurance plan until age 26.


I have to partially disagree with you here. My parents didnt have health insurance when I graduated high school in 93. Didnt have the money to put me through college either. I took responsibility for myself and JOINED THE MILITARY. Three squares a day, taught me a trade and provided health and dental care. All the way up to the point that I made the decision to leave the service and go out on my own.

The majority of college I used the campus health center. They did fine and were cheap. Then, when I graduated, I had more than the college on my resume, I had work experience.

All we did extending the age to 26 was give young adults more reason and ability to live at home, off momma and daddy, for as long as possible. Thats the message we send. Dont take personal responsibility, live off someone else for as long as possible. Here, through entitlement programs, its the way of our world in the here and now......

Captain


So you're comparing the economy of 1993 to the economy of 2011? (And, for that matter, the economy of 2008 and 2009?) There's no difference?

Tell me, specifically, where are the jobs?


Im saying the 'economy' of my familys situation in 1993 is no different than that of today. We didnt have a thing then, parents jobs were outsourced to Mexico (both worked for a shoe factory) and they were laid off. The little work they could find didnt have insurance.

So, yes, I am comparing the (my) economy of 1993 to today. And the same opportunity I had is available today. The military takes recruits everyday. Dont want to go to war, join the Navy and float around for a couple of years. Take responsibility for your situation and think outside the box.....

Captain


Not everyone is even eligible to join the military. So what do they do?

Again, where are the jobs?

I'm open to being proven wrong, and will accept it, if someone will take up the challenge. Hasn't happened yet.
I've seen the Brit and other European state provided healthcare. In the UK, they joke that they have the best healthcare Pakistan can provide. That's the nation of origin of many of their state health workers. Add, hospitals last remodeled under Queen Vickie (Victoria). No, thanks!

As I stated before, in Germany the medical personnel refuse to use the state provided care. They have their own private insurance. And, they have one of the best state systems.

As to the present unemployed, I recently read that only five percent are college educated. As to where the jobs with health care are -- in companies that need skilled workers, not in communities that the unions chased off industries that tried to locate there. The Shoals, for example.
I love ya, Buttercup, you know I do. But Im afraid we will be hard pressed to find common ground here.

There will always be people who cant join the service or dont have grades good enough to go to college. So, what is the next step for non working college students after they are 'given' insurance until they are 26? Do we extend the dependent tax breaks for parents to age 26 (wouldnt that be an economic killer)? Do we enact another entitlement program that provides them with a gov't job until they can find something that is within their field?

Where to we draw the line and expect self reliance and responsibility?

The vast majority of Americans under 26 can join the military. I was OBESE when I went to boot camp (they shouldnt have taken me), they PTed the weight off of me.

You asked where the jobs are at.....there is your answer. For those young adults willing to take responsibility for themselves, gain experience, insurance, income and college funding, all while protecting you and I.

Do you not think that is a win-win?

Captain
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
I love ya, Buttercup, you know I do. But Im afraid we will be hard pressed to find common ground here.

There will always be people who cant join the service or dont have grades good enough to go to college. So, what is the next step for non working college students after they are 'given' insurance until they are 26? Do we extend the dependent tax breaks for parents to age 26 (wouldnt that be an economic killer)? Do we enact another entitlement program that provides them with a gov't job until they can find something that is within their field?

Where to we draw the line and expect self reliance and responsibility?

The vast majority of Americans under 26 can join the military. I was OBESE when I went to boot camp (they shouldnt have taken me), they PTed the weight off of me.

You asked where the jobs are at.....there is your answer. For those young adults willing to take responsibility for themselves, gain experience, insurance, income and college funding, all while protecting you and I.

Do you not think that is a win-win?

Captain


The point I'm trying to get across is The Great Recession was almost as bad as The Great Depression - and I'm not so sure, when all is said and done, that this won't be classified as a depression.

Simply put: You can't compare this to any other time in history, other than The Great Depression, because of the extraordinary circumstances. And because there are extraordinary circumstances "self reliance/responsibility" can't be defined the same way it was even three years ago.

We can respectfully agree to disagree (as we usually do) Big Grin on this, but I do enjoy a good debate with you, Captain, and respect your opinions. You know that.
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Well, of course. The overpaid executives need more vacation homes in Bora Bora. The poor underprivileged things.

Yes or no buttercup, if offered the job they have with their pay and benefits would you take it?

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As far as jobs for a 26 year old, if they live at home with mom and dad they can get a job somewhere that pays them enough to chip in and pay insurance. Anything is better than nothing.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Well, of course. The overpaid executives need more vacation homes in Bora Bora. The poor underprivileged things.

Yes or no buttercup, if offered the job they have with their pay and benefits would you take it?

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As far as jobs for a 26 year old, if they live at home with mom and dad they can get a job somewhere that pays them enough to chip in and pay insurance. Anything is better than nothing.


So who says they're not chipping in at all?

I'm sure these young adults have tried VERY HARD to find jobs, but jobs - good and bad, full-time and part-time - are hard to come by these days, especially for someone with nothing more to offer a potential employer than a degree (and very little work experience).

They simply have no other choice than to remain on mom and dad's insurance, and to move back home until the economy improves...if it improves.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
I love ya, Buttercup, you know I do. But Im afraid we will be hard pressed to find common ground here.

There will always be people who cant join the service or dont have grades good enough to go to college. So, what is the next step for non working college students after they are 'given' insurance until they are 26? Do we extend the dependent tax breaks for parents to age 26 (wouldnt that be an economic killer)? Do we enact another entitlement program that provides them with a gov't job until they can find something that is within their field?

Where to we draw the line and expect self reliance and responsibility?

The vast majority of Americans under 26 can join the military. I was OBESE when I went to boot camp (they shouldnt have taken me), they PTed the weight off of me.

You asked where the jobs are at.....there is your answer. For those young adults willing to take responsibility for themselves, gain experience, insurance, income and college funding, all while protecting you and I.

Do you not think that is a win-win?

Captain


The point I'm trying to get across is The Great Recession was almost as bad as The Great Depression - and I'm not so sure, when all is said and done, that this won't be classified as a depression.

Simply put: You can't compare this to any other time in history, other than The Great Depression, because of the extraordinary circumstances. And because there are extraordinary circumstances "self reliance/responsibility" can't be defined the same way it was even three years ago.

We can respectfully agree to disagree (as we usually do) Big Grin on this, but I do enjoy a good debate with you, Captain, and respect your opinions. You know that.


Our present economic problems are nowhere as bad as the great depression. However, like Hoover's, FDR's and Morgenthau's efforts, given time, Obama may achieve that goal.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Well, of course. The overpaid executives need more vacation homes in Bora Bora. The poor underprivileged things.

Yes or no buttercup, if offered the job they have with their pay and benefits would you take it?


No, I wouldn't. Once I'm in a position to quit my current job (next summer), I'll be done with working for corporate America for good.

I can say "no" without hesitation because money has never ruled my world nor influenced my decisions. I'm much more interested in getting my spirit back....and ensuring my creative side remains intact.

I'm doing some research right now on working from home to, hopefully, find a way to bring in a little income while homeschooling my son. Even if I can't figure something out, I'd never take a job like that. I have to sleep at night.
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
I love ya, Buttercup, you know I do. But Im afraid we will be hard pressed to find common ground here.

There will always be people who cant join the service or dont have grades good enough to go to college. So, what is the next step for non working college students after they are 'given' insurance until they are 26? Do we extend the dependent tax breaks for parents to age 26 (wouldnt that be an economic killer)? Do we enact another entitlement program that provides them with a gov't job until they can find something that is within their field?
In this thought you seem to oppose government jobs.

Where to we draw the line and expect self reliance and responsibility?

The vast majority of Americans under 26 can join the military. In this sentence you recommend young people taking a government job. I was OBESE when I went to boot camp (they shouldnt have taken me), they PTed the weight off of me.

You asked where the jobs are at.....there is your answer. For those young adults willing to take responsibility for themselves, gain experience, insurance, income and college funding, all while protecting you and I.
So, you are recommending young people to take a non-government , government job ?

Do you not think that is a win-win?

Captain


I am sorry to have to burst your bubble, but a job in the military is a government job. Like I have said before, over half the entire budget spent on the military.
You have contradicted yourself in one single post.

I do have agreement with you however that the military is a good option for many. Just don't be fooled thinking that it is NOT a job on the taxpayers tab. It most certanially is.
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Originally posted by seeweed:

I am sorry to have to burst your bubble, but a job in the military is a government job. Like I have said before, over half the entire budget spent on the military.
You have contradicted yourself in one single post.

I do have agreement with you however that the military is a good option for many. Just don't be fooled thinking that it is NOT a job on the taxpayers tab. It most certanially is.


Wow, you are dense, aren't you. I never said that I oppose govt jobs. I said I oppose govt waste and entitlement programs.

I oppose programs that allow people to feel they are entitled to what is provided. I can tell you as a Veteran, I was not entitled to anything when in the service. I earned everything the govt provided me by putting my life on the line for my country, including for people like yourself.

I think it may be you I responded to in another topic stating I would much rather see waste in the military spending than waste in entitlement programs. At least we get something back out of military spending. I know, probably more than you, that taxes pay for the military.

Do me a favor and dont put words in my mouth.....

Captain
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Do we enact another entitlement program that provides them with a gov't job until they can find something that is within their field?
In this thought you seem to oppose government jobs.


The vast majority of Americans under 26 can join the military. In this sentence you recommend young people taking a government job.


Ohh, and just so we are clear, the military is not an entitlement program created to provide people jobs until they find something else. I'm willing to bet you wouldn't say that to a Veterans face.....

Captain
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Do we enact another entitlement program that provides them with a gov't job until they can find something that is within their field?
In this thought you seem to oppose government jobs.

The vast majority of Americans under 26 can join the military. In this sentence you recommend young people taking a government job.


Ohh, and just so we are clear, the military is not an entitlement program created to provide people jobs until they find something else. I'm willing to bet you wouldn't say that to a Veterans face.....

Captain


I personally don't give a damm whether you like it or not, the simple fact IS that working in the military IS a government job.
Much of the budget to the pentagon IS a government give-away program of entitlements to the military industrial complex.
If you are a person working for a company, say Raytheon, and you are making something the military needs, or may not need for that matter, you are on a government jobs program. Just plain and simple fact.
While I have the utmost respect for our fighting people, and those who have been, another simple fact- the Veterans Admin health care, thought by some to be the best in the nation, IS a government health care system. If you are a vet, and use your VA benefits at a VA Hospital, YOU ARE ON A GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM. The cost is about 18% of the budget , give or take a little. If you are active military, you are part of roughly 36% of our federal budget. It may piss you off , but that is just a simple fact.

A relatively new show on MSNBC nights is Lawrence O'Donald's "Last Word". The last few nights he has had on one or another recently elected T Party Congressman, some from the military . One of his standard questions is "Which of your GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE insurance options are you going to use, or since you oppose the health care bill, will you REFUSE to accept any and go on the open market to purchase your insurance?
Any guesses how many so far have been willing to pass on their own GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE PROGRAM ? (the answer will be left as an exercise to the student)
Do me a favor Seaweed, before you spout off any further.... go back and quote where I said that being in the military is not a government job.

Thats right, you can't....

And although VA benefits may be defined as an 'entitlement' program, I far from consider them an entitlement program. Like unemployment, they are an earned benefit.

What is not an earned benefit - Welfare. What else is not an earned benefit - Govt housing. What have people done to 'earn' those benefits.

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If you are active military, you are part of roughly 36% of our federal budget. It may piss you off , but that is just a simple fact.


Doesnt piss me off at all. Im proud of the money we spend on defense. Im proud of those that use it. Is there waste? Yep (as with anything). But there is a return on that waste. What return are you getting from the check you cut to the welfare mom that keeps spitting out babies on a regular basis to maintain that check and section 8 housing?

If you are a Vet, and use a VA hospital, you were either injured in the line of duty or you retired from the military. Not every Vet has access to VA healthcare - once again you only partially right. Do you consider your insurance from your employer an entitlement? Or is it something you earn?

What pisses me off? People who live on the govt dime without doing anything to earn it. People who forget that, when they accept government assistance, I am footing the bill. And people who run off at the mouth about things they know little to nothing about.....

Captain
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One of his standard questions is "Which of your GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE insurance options are you going to use, or since you oppose the health care bill, will you REFUSE to accept any and go on the open market to purchase your insurance?
Any guesses how many so far have been willing to pass on their own GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE PROGRAM ? (the answer will be left as an exercise to the student)


I'll ask you, just for clarification, are you going to leave your employer sponsored plan to go out in the open market to buy your insurance?

What dont you get about the fact that, as a Congressman (or an active duty military member, post office worker, etc etc), you are a government employee and, as such, have earned the insurance you are referring to? Thats apples and oranges when comparing it to a Public Option program......

Captain
Speaking of entitlements - did everyone know that, according to the TV, we may be entitled to a free, government sponsored cell phone with 250 minutes a month.

Should say taxpayer sponsored.....

Why on earth am I paying for some random persons cell phone bill?

Just curious, anyone else heard any specifics on this program?

Captain

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