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Hi David,

 

Who hid Him?  Certainly not God -- for the full 66 books of the Bible are about Jesus Christ.  It is often said, "The Old Testament looks forward to the cross.  The New Testament looks back upon HIs finished work on the cross."  

 

And, the cross is all about Jesus Christ, the Perfect Lamb of God, who came to offer eternal life to all who, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30) -- will believe and receive His "paid in full" precious gift.

 

Where in the full 66 books of the Bible -- is Jesus Christ hidden?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

1 John 4-10

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi David,

 

Who hid Him?  Certainly not God -- for the full 66 books of the Bible are about Jesus Christ.  It is often said, "The Old Testament looks forward to the cross.  The New Testament looks back upon HIs finished work on the cross."  

 

And, the cross is all about Jesus Christ, the Perfect Lamb of God, who came to offer eternal life to all who, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30) -- will believe and receive His "paid in full" precious gift.

 

Where in the full 66 books of the Bible -- is Jesus Christ hidden?

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It doesn't matter, you'll never find him. You haven't found the Bible yet.

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi David,

 

Who hid Him?  Certainly not God -- for the full 66 books of the Bible are about Jesus Christ.  It is often said, "The Old Testament looks forward to the cross.  The New Testament looks back upon HIs finished work on the cross."  

 

And, the cross is all about Jesus Christ, the Perfect Lamb of God, who came to offer eternal life to all who, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30) -- will believe and receive His "paid in full" precious gift.

 

Where in the full 66 books of the Bible -- is Jesus Christ hidden?

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So sad... So negative... Not a positIve thought in his body about his fellow man...

 

So filled will egotistic arrogance and hatred there is no room for love of fellow man...

 

S-I-G-H....

 

God is great... God is love...

 

 

 

My reference refers to a certain saint, and I'm sure smokey or another catholic would get it. A non catholic would not know where the saying comes from.  I won't go into detail.  I'm mean no offense to the non catholic.  If someone SINCERELY wanted to know the story behind it I would tell them.... But my faith seems to frustrate you,, I don't want to cause you more aggravation.
Originally Posted by House of David:
My reference refers to a certain saint, and I'm sure smokey or another catholic would get it. A non catholic would not know where the saying comes from.  I won't go into detail.  I'm mean no offense to the non catholic.  If someone SINCERELY wanted to know the story behind it I would tell them.... But my faith seems to frustrate you,, I don't want to cause you more aggravation.
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I hope this is in response to someone other than me... Though a non Catholic, I think I understood the reference, and agree... 
May God Bless you!
 

 

quote:  Originally Posted by House of David:
My reference refers to a certain saint, and I'm sure smokey or another catholic would get it. A non catholic would not know where the saying comes from.  I won't go into detail.  I'm mean no offense to the non catholic.  If someone SINCERELY wanted to know the story behind it I would tell them.... But my faith seems to frustrate you,, I don't want to cause you more aggravation.

Hi David,

 

My Friend, your faith does not frustrate me.  But, it does sadden me to see a person like you, who I feel is very sincere about your faith -- being misled by teachings which have no foundation in Scripture.

 

In my pre-Christian younger years, I spent about 20 years in the Roman Catholic church.  But, I do not know the story of a hidden Jesus.  I sincerely would like to know where this comes from and if it is based upon Scripture -- or some man's non-canon thoughts. 

 

Please do tell us more about it.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

In my pre-Christian younger years, I spent about 20 years in the Roman Catholic church.  But, I do not know the story of a hidden Jesus.  I sincerely would like to know where this comes from and if it is based upon Scripture -- or some man's non-canon thoughts. 

 

Please do tell us more about it.

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Careful...

The bait has been cast....

Nibble at your own risk...

:-)

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

In my pre-Christian younger years, I spent about 20 years in the Roman Catholic church.  But, I do not know the story of a hidden Jesus.  I sincerely would like to know where this comes from and if it is based upon Scripture -- or some man's non-canon thoughts. 

 

Please do tell us more about it.

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This kinda' makes one wonder:

 

1. Can one who hasreally spent two decades in the Roman Catholic Church really not know of hidden Christ? 

2. Can one who frequently trolls be this clumsy at the art?

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
 

 

In my pre-Christian younger years, I spent about 20 years in the Roman Catholic church.  But, I do not know the story of a hidden Jesus.  I sincerely would like to know where this comes from and if it is based upon Scripture -- or some man's non-canon thoughts. 

 

Please do tell us more about it.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

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Even hypocrites can google

 

 

Is this the "hidden Jesus" of which you write, smokey?

http://www.nytimes.com/books/9...981011.rv103753.html

 

Anyone else who knows something about the smokey's cryptic "hidden Jesus" post--feel free to comment.

 

Thus far, no Catholic has offered anything but snide comments. If there is something in Catholic lore or doctrine about a "hidden Jesus", then you should want to share it with others rather than

smart-assing the matter. 

 

 

quote:   Originally Posted by Ubu:
quote:   Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:

 God is great... God is love... 

What else needs to be said?  God is love.

Hi Ubu,

 

For sure God is Love.  But, that Love is shown most clearly in His Salvation.   Or, I should say, in His plan for our salvation, Jesus Christ.

 

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world (you, me, all people), that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

 

That is truly Love, that He would suffer a cruel death on the cross -- so that all who, by the grace of God, through FAITH in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30), will believe and receive His precious gift of life (John 1:12) will never perish, but can KNOW that he/she HAS eternal life in the presence of God.  

 

My Friend, that is LOVE -- spelled SALVATION!   And that is the reason He came as a Man, died on the cross, rose again, and ascended back into heaven -- where He continually intercedes for, as our ONLY Mediator, all Christian believers.  That spells LOVE!

 

Do you have a different spelling?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

1 John 4-10

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Is this the "hidden Jesus" of which you write, smokey?

http://www.nytimes.com/books/9...981011.rv103753.html

 

Anyone else who knows something about the smokey's cryptic "hidden Jesus" post--feel free to comment.

 

Thus far, no Catholic has offered anything but snide comments. If there is something in Catholic lore or doctrine about a "hidden Jesus", then you should want to share it with others rather than

smart-assing the matter. 

 

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You're making too much out of this when the only Catholics were

responding to billie. The presence of Jesus in the consecrated Host

can't be seen or detected in any way. The Hidden Jesus. The statement

was made next to Smokey's post.

Smokey didn't say the hidden Jesus, David knowing billie just wanted be

his usual self. My smart ass wouldn't have told you a dam thing after that

but David might not be back for a while. So, start smart assing with what

you got.

 

Have a headache day, but know I love ya buddy.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by House of David:

St. Therese (the little flower) Referred to Jesus in the Eucharist as the hidden Jesus. 

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Is that because she was incompetent to find Him? Did she look in vain for the real blood and the real body and not find them?  If so, that should have come as no surprise to her, since those little wafers are mostly just flour and water and no more likely to contain real blood or real flesh than a Nabisco saltine.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by House of David:

St. Therese (the little flower) Referred to Jesus in the Eucharist as the hidden Jesus. 

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Is that because she was incompetent to find Him? Did she look in vain for the real blood and the real body and not find them?  If so, that should have come as no surprise to her, since those little wafers are mostly just flour and water and no more likely to contain real blood or real flesh than a Nabisco saltine.

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Yep, Vic had it right when he anticipated your snide response...

Sad....

 

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by House of David:

St. Therese (the little flower) Referred to Jesus in the Eucharist as the hidden Jesus. 

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Is that because she was incompetent to find Him? Did she look in vain for the real blood and the real body and not find them?  If so, that should have come as no surprise to her, since those little wafers are mostly just flour and water and no more likely to contain real blood or real flesh than a Nabisco saltine.

Well you sure nailed that one Contendah and we should also know that Jesus
didn't turn the water into wine. It stands to reason God doesn't have the power

to do that or some of the other so call miracles. I remember reading in John 6

Jesus said, "I was just fooling around, scared ya huh.

 

 

Contendah,

How rude of you!   You completely missed the sentiment. Some people say they look at the beauty of nature and see God hidden there in all of creation. Thats alOng the same line as what St. Therese is saying.  Your response is why I said it was a catholic reference. I didn't want the sweetness of her sentiment to be trampled on by an anti-catholic persecutor.  There a difference between being civil and disagreeing and persecuting. 
You, sir, are no gentleman.
Originally Posted by House of David:
Contendah,

How rude of you!   You completely missed the sentiment. Some people say they look at the beauty of nature and see God hidden there in all of creation. Thats alOng the same line as what St. Therese is saying.  Your response is why I said it was a catholic reference. I didn't want the sweetness of her sentiment to be trampled on by an anti-catholic persecutor.  There a difference between being civil and disagreeing and persecuting. 
You, sir, are no gentleman.

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Like she said....

A true gentleman would apologize....

From you she should expect none....

Sad...

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by Ubu:
quote:   Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:

 God is great... God is love... 

What else needs to be said?  God is love.

Hi Ubu,

 

For sure God is Love.  But, that Love is shown most clearly in His Salvation.   Or, I should say, in His plan for our salvation, Jesus Christ.

 

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world (you, me, all people), that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

 

That is truly Love, that He would suffer a cruel death on the cross -- so that all who, by the grace of God, through FAITH in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30), will believe and receive His precious gift of life (John 1:12) will never perish, but can KNOW that he/she HAS eternal life in the presence of God.  

 

My Friend, that is LOVE -- spelled SALVATION!   And that is the reason He came as a Man, died on the cross, rose again, and ascended back into heaven -- where He continually intercedes for, as our ONLY Mediator, all Christian believers.  That spells LOVE!

 

Do you have a different spelling?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

1 John 4-10

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Have you thanked God today for his blessings in your life?

 

Have you stopped and let God speak to you today?

 

I know that I don't do enough of either..............

 

Did you ask God to guide you in your responses before you started typing?

 

Do you believe in the power of prayer?

 

Does your church have a list of prayer requests? If so, do you pray for these people?

 

Do you believe that other peoples prayers for you can have an effect? If so, do you ask other people to pray for you or your family?

quote:   Originally Posted by House of David:

St. Therese (the little flower) Referred to Jesus in the Eucharist as the hidden Jesus.

Hi David,

 

Not to sound like a broken record -- but, comments and commentaries of mortal people, such as this Roman Catholic nun, Therese, are just that -- their understanding and thoughts on a subject.  No commentary is an authority on spiritual matters; that position is held only by the Bible.

 

There is only ONE unquestionable authority on spiritual matters -- and that is God's Written Word, the Bible.  Can you, or anyone, show us where to find the "hidden Jesus" in the Bible?  Or any reference to such a Jesus, or support of such a Jesus, in the Bible? 

 

Jesus can be seen in the Bible starting in Genesis -- and all the way to the end of Revelation.   And, nowhere is He shown to be hidden.   David, I realize that you were speaking more from your heart and your church training -- instead of from the Bible.  But, we have to consider the full spectrum of readers when we write on a forum.

 

For many years, I wrote and shared primarily with Christian believers through my Christian eNewsletter and other venues -- and in doing that had no problem using what I call the "Christianese" language and words.

 

But, in about 2009 when Nathan Tabor invited me to post in his online newspaper "The Conservative Voice" -- I had a rude awakening.  On "The Conservative Voice" there was about 25 different pages where one could post:  Politics, Current Events, Financial, etc., and Faith & Family where I posted 98% of the time.

 

But, even when posting on the Faith & Family page I found that a large number of the quarter million readers worldwide -- did not hold to my Christian beliefs and that my "Christianese" wording often drew sparks. 

 

Before posting on this widely read online newspaper, when I was only posting to other believers, I could speak of believers being indwelled by the Holy Spirit.  But, on The Conservative Voice, I found less contention if I just wrote that believers have the Holy Spirit within them.  It means the same -- but, lessened the contention to use the more accepted phrasing.

 

And, since I believe you do not really believe that Jesus Christ has been hidden anywhere -- I questioned your wording, not your intent, nor your sincerity.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by House of David:
Contendah,

How rude of you!   You completely missed the sentiment. Some people say they look at the beauty of nature and see God hidden there in all of creation. Thats alOng the same line as what St. Therese is saying.  Your response is why I said it was a catholic reference. I didn't want the sweetness of her sentiment to be trampled on by an anti-catholic persecutor.  There a difference between being civil and disagreeing and persecuting. 
You, sir, are no gentleman.

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You, HOD, are the one who stated that Teresa "[r]eferred to Jesus in the Eucharist as the hidden Jesus".  I was merely explaining why she could not find him there, because his literal blood and flesh were not there to be found.   As to Jesus turning water into wine, of course I believe in that particular miracle.  The scriptures unambiguously describe that miracle and those who drank that wine could easily tell that it was wine, and good wine at that, because it really, truly WAS wine and not some substance that allegedly had wine in it that somehow could not be detected by those drinking it.  Even you should see the difference between that "hidden Jesus" allegedly concealed somewhere in the eucharist and the tasty, authentic, and easily detected wine that Jesus made for those wedding guests.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Ubu, Billy will soon accuse you of starting a spitting contest & he will run off to start another topic. That's what he does when he doesn't have the answers.

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It has been over 24 hours semi and all I hear is "crickets".

 

I wasn't trying to start a spitting contest, just honest questions in hopes of honest answers......... Hopefully without the unwarranted lecture.

 

 

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