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So, a guy who owns his OWN BUSINESS is offended by a religious skeptic's fake sermon and insults, and puts up a sign saying they are not welcome in his shop. His business is suffering for it. People are saying it's illegal. Last I knew, a shop that is privately owned may refuse service to ANYONE for any REASON, stated or otherwise.

 

And why is it that HE is not allowed to be offended by this clown with the fake sermon, but it's OK for the "religious skeptics" to be offended because he won't sell them ice cream?

 

This is the ULTIMATE in double standards, and it is becoming so common that Christians ARE feeling persecuted. Why is it OK for anyone but a Christian to express his or her views? The pendulum has swung so far in the wrong direction! As a Christian, I try to be tolerant of other's beliefs or lack thereof. But I will not stand by while someone insults my faith or my intelligence. And yet, that seems to be what these atheist groups are stiving for - the rights of atheists to say whatever they want, while Christians are muzzled.

 

Ain't gonna happen.

 

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Nobody's 'muzzling' christians... (Although IMO they could stand a plug inna chops once inna while around here.)

 and nobody's 'sultin' yuh 'telligence....Less'n "Bogusity" is one a them thar 'lectual words.

I've heard of 'Bogosity.'

bogosity - /boh-go'si-tee/ The degree to which something is "bogus" in the hackish sense of "bad". At CMU, bogosity is measured with a bogometer; in a seminar, when a speaker says something bogus, a listener might raise his hand and say "My bogometer just triggered". More extremely, "You just pinned my bogometer" means you just said or did something so outrageously bogus that it is off the scale, pinning the bogometer needle at the highest possible reading (one might also say "You just redlined my bogometer"). The agreed-upon unit of bogosity is the microLenat

 

Christians...

 They've been an unchecked majority for so long,

Christians just don't seem to handle taking their own medicine very well.

 

They're very good at crying 'victim' because they don't have any other argument, really for being boorish chooches when it comes to 'spreading the word.'

 

How does it FEEL?

 

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Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

Nobody's 'muzzling' christians... (Although IMO they could stand a plug inna chops once inna while around here.)

 They've been an unchecked majority for so long,

Christians just don't seem to handle taking their own medicine very well.

 

They're very good at crying 'victim.'

 

How does it FEEL?

 

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You know Pup, it sounds as if you are just full of GLEE about this. "How does it FEEL"?! Like, you are HAPPY that someone is feeling victimized? And just WHY would that be - because they are CHRISTIAN? And why are you so GLEEFUL about someone such as myself, who has repeatedly stated my belief that religion and politics should not be mixed? And why get all waggy tailed about someone who has NEVER pushed my beliefs on ANYONE? I believe in EVOLUTION, even! What have I (or MOST Christians for that matter) ever done to YOU, that you should CELEBRATE like this?

 

You never answered the questions I asked. Why is it wrong for a Christian to complain when someone disses them, but it's OK for an atheist to complain when they don't get every little thing their way? Because you claim atheism is NOT a religion, atheists get a pass? They can express their beliefs in the vilest manner possible and we have to put up with it, while if I happen to say "God bless you" when somebody sneezes, it is considered pushing my religion?

 

I'll tell you right now, if anybody comes into MY shop and insults me over my faith or anything else, they are out on their ear! And if I decided to prohibit atheists from my shop (which I wouldn't do in reality), I could easily get around that law by either not naming the reason I refuse service, or by putting on a CD of hymns, or better yet, taping the next church service I attend and playing THAT at top volume.

 

'Gleeful?' Heh.

 

What're you clairvoyant?  Methinks ya need to consult the tea leaves again, ma'am. You misread them some.

 

I would be GLEEFUL if the first question everybody around here asked me wasn't "what church do you attend?" 

 I would be GLEEFUL if the religious d ou ch e bags on the street corner didn't shove a sign in my face and yell at me to "REPENT!"

 

I would be GLEEFUL if people wouldn't expect me to constantly bless them and 'praise god' for things that I accomplished myself.

 

I DO CELEBRATE having met the humanists because after two years of living in The Shoals, my brain is beginning to atrophy.  It happens when the highlight (and usually the favorite topic of any conversation) of people's lives is telling me all about the jesus and what momma's gonna fix to eat NEXT! (Picture them rubbing their bellies and grinning and licking their chops at this point.)

These fine humanist folks think about more than god and food. It's quite refreshing.

 

Now, I'll say it again. Please pay attention this time.

 

Nobody's muzzling christians.  Christians are taking it upon themselves to feel persecuted because a nonbeliever got tired of having christianity BROADCASTED to him.  Like I said, they've been a majority for so long around here that ANYTHING contrary to what THEY want is considered 'persecution.'

Oh sure...

Christians preach love and tolerance and benevolence-as long as it's only THEIR version of it.

 

What about the atheist? Hmmmm? You think us godless heathens aren't treated like pariahs around here once our lack of belief becomes known?

 

How 'bout all that good ol' down home love and tolerance and benevolence when christians (and you KNOW they were christians) were throwing bricks through the windows of the atheist's parents' house?

Where was the love and tolerance when the christians were emailing him and calling him with DEATH THREATS?

 

And christians have the colossal BALLS to cry 'victim?'

 

Puhleeze....

Christians in the Shoals are being dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming.

And they don't like it.

 

Even you lately...Seems all you ever post is a whine about how your faith is being persecuted.

 

Nobody's persecuting your faith. NOBODY CAAAAAARES.

 

NOBODY cares.  Not in the real world, anyway. Worship whatever you want. Whenever you want.

 

But ya better be prepared to hear some flack if ya broadcast it to a captive audience over a publi c PA system.

 

Religion is kinda like a schlong.

It's fine to have one

It's fine to be proud of it

But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around,

And PLEASE don't try to shove it down our children's throats...

 

 

I  don't (and won't) preach atheism at them.  I promise.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

 

Religion is kinda like a schlong.

It's fine to have one

It's fine to be proud of it

But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around,

And PLEASE don't try to shove it down our children's throats...

 

 

I  don't (and won't) preach atheism at them.  I promise.

 

 


That right there is funny.

Just so you know, I'm stealing that analogy. 

So, you think all I ever post is a "whine about how my faith is being persecuted"? Um hmm. Could you SHOW me one of these posts? Or a whole bunch of them, seeing that's "all I ever post lately"?Hmm...in the school PA thread, didn't I agree that it's against the law to pray over the PA? That couldn't be it...Was it over in politics when I was making fun of all these Repubs who claim God told them to run? Nope, that couldn't be it...Um, was it in one of the threads where a fundy was touting the 6,000 year old universe, and I chimed in that the universe is far older than that, and evolution is a fact? Nope, that doesn't qualify either...How about all of the anti-g a y threads where I jumped in saying that it is NOT our place to judge? Well, that can't be it either...  Nope. Sorry Pup, but the only time I have a problem with an atheist (or anyone else for that matter) is when they either lie, insult, or twist my words. But you STILL haven't answered MY question. Why is it OK for an atheist to ridicule MY faith, but it's not OK for me to ridicule their LACK of faith? It IS a double standard. The pendulum HAS swung too far in the other direction. So you've been asked what church you attend. I have never asked you that. So why should you jump down MY throat? I used to jump on Unob's posts because he constantly insulted me. But I always defended atheists like Bluetick, and I used to defend YOU, because you had a live and let live attitude. So far, we are even. SOME atheists are insulting and seem to feel superior to us "delusional" Christians. SOME Christians are insulting to atheists and seem to feel superior to those "Godless heathens". As I said in another thread, INDIVIDUALS are the only ones responsible for what they say and do. So why act like ALL Christians are trying to ram religion down your throat when it's simply not true? And even though I am on record saying that prayer should NOT be broadcast over the PA, you seem to be stuck on THAT thread. What we are talking about here is this guy and his ice cream shop. AND the guy in the street who was broadcasting HIS insulting mock sermon. So why isn't it against the law for HIM to do THAT? I'll tell you why - because it has become politically correct to MUZZLE Christians. I worked in a store once where we were ORDERED not to say Merry Christmas to ANY customers - even when they were buying Christmas trees! It wasn't politically correct! What could be more hypocritical than that? That's like telling people they can't wish someone a happy fourth of July because you never know if the person you are saying it to might not be American. Foolish, hypocritical, and just plain wrong.
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OK, I went back and hit the edit button and the whole post showed up. I was able to copy it, and will paste it here:

 

So, you think all I ever post is a "whine about how my faith is being persecuted"? Um hmm. Could you SHOW me one of these posts? Or a whole bunch of them, seeing that's "all I ever post lately"?

 
Hmm...in the school PA thread, didn't I agree that it's against the law to pray over the PA? That couldn't be it...
 
Was it over in politics when I was making fun of all these Repubs who claim God told them to run? Nope, that couldn't be it...
 
Um, was it in one of the threads where a fundy was touting the 6,000 year old universe, and I chimed in that the universe is far older than that, and evolution is a fact? Nope, that doesn't qualify either...
 
How about all of the anti-g a y threads where I jumped in saying that it is NOT our place to judge? Well, that can't be it either...
 
 
Nope. Sorry Pup, but the only time I have a problem with an atheist (or anyone else for that matter) is when they either lie, insult, or twist my words.
 
 
But you STILL haven't answered MY question. Why is it OK for an atheist to ridicule MY faith, but it's not OK for me to ridicule their LACK of faith? It IS a double standard. The pendulum HAS swung too far in the other direction. So you've been asked what church you attend. I have never asked you that. So why should you jump down MY throat? I used to jump on Unob's posts because he constantly insulted me. But I always defended atheists like Bluetick, and I used to defend YOU, because you had a live and let live attitude.
 
So far, we are even. SOME atheists are insulting and seem to feel superior to us "delusional" Christians. SOME Christians are insulting to atheists and seem to feel superior to those "Godless heathens". As I said in another thread, INDIVIDUALS are the only ones responsible for what they say and do. So why act like ALL Christians are trying to ram religion down your throat when it's simply not true?
 
And even though I am on record saying that prayer should NOT be broadcast over the PA, you seem to be stuck on THAT thread. What we are talking about here is this guy and his ice cream shop. AND the guy in the street who was broadcasting HIS insulting mock sermon. So why isn't it against the law for HIM to do THAT? I'll tell you why - because it has become politically correct to MUZZLE Christians.
 
I worked in a store once where we were ORDERED not to say Merry Christmas to ANY customers - even when they were buying Christmas trees! It wasn't politically correct! What could be more hypocritical than that? That's like telling people they can't wish someone a happy fourth of July because you never know if the person you are saying it to might not be American. Foolish, hypocritical, and just plain wrong.

 

Yeah you right, O.  Dotz weird.

 

Format done squushed alla those paragraphs.  Never seen that before.

 

Bummer.

 

/shrug

 

If you feel I am persecuting you or your faith, you are doing exactly what I'm talking about....Taking it upon yourself to feel 'persecuted.'

You seem to be calling me 'wrong' for telling it like I see it.

Who are you to tell me I'm 'wrong?'  A member of the 'majority?'

 

See?  Like I was saying.....

 

Wow. I'm just a lone heathen. A square peg in a round hole. (a 'squoval', as it were.)

 

  I haven't got the power to persecute anybody.

 

All I can do is speak out against christian mob mentality.  But who the hell listens to me anyways?

 

 

 

 

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OK, I moved the post to another place on my computer. Now I've copied THAT Let's see if it'll work THIS time.

 

 

 So, you think all I ever post is a "whine about how my faith is being persecuted"? Um hmm. Could you SHOW me one of these posts? Or a whole bunch of them, seeing that's "all I ever post lately"?
 
Hmm...in the school PA thread, didn't I agree that it's against the law to pray over the PA? That couldn't be it...
 
Was it over in politics when I was making fun of all these Repubs who claim God told them to run? Nope, that couldn't be it...
 
Um, was it in one of the threads where a fundy was touting the 6,000 year old universe, and I chimed in that the universe is far older than that, and evolution is a fact? Nope, that doesn't qualify either...
 
How about all of the anti-g a y threads where I jumped in saying that it is NOT our place to judge? Well, that can't be it either...
 
 
Nope. Sorry Pup, but the only time I have a problem with an atheist (or anyone else for that matter) is when they either lie, insult, or twist my words.
 
 
But you STILL haven't answered MY question. Why is it OK for an atheist to ridicule MY faith, but it's not OK for me to ridicule their LACK of faith? It IS a double standard. The pendulum HAS swung too far in the other direction. So you've been asked what church you attend. I have never asked you that. So why should you jump down MY throat? I used to jump on Unob's posts because he constantly insulted me. But I always defended atheists like Bluetick, and I used to defend YOU, because you had a live and let live attitude.
 
So far, we are even. SOME atheists are insulting and seem to feel superior to us "delusional" Christians. SOME Christians are insulting to atheists and seem to feel superior to those "Godless heathens". As I said in another thread, INDIVIDUALS are the only ones responsible for what they say and do. So why act like ALL Christians are trying to ram religion down your throat when it's simply not true?
 
And even though I am on record saying that prayer should NOT be broadcast over the PA, you seem to be stuck on THAT thread. What we are talking about here is this guy and his ice cream shop. AND the guy in the street who was broadcasting HIS insulting mock sermon. So why isn't it against the law for HIM to do THAT? I'll tell you why - because it has become politically correct to MUZZLE Christians.
 
I worked in a store once where we were ORDERED not to say Merry Christmas to ANY customers - even when they were buying Christmas trees! It wasn't politically correct! What could be more hypocritical than that? That's like telling people they can't wish someone a happy fourth of July because you never know if the person you are saying it to might not be an American. The Fourth of July is celebrated BECAUSE that's when America claimed independence. What should we say instead? "Happy first week of the seventh month"? Well, Christmas wouldn't EXIST without Christ, so why is it wrong to wish someone a Merry Christmas?
 
Because it isn't politically correct. That's the very WORST reason to do ANYTHING!
quote:   Originally Posted by O No!:

I HATE this new format! I just posted a long reply to Pup, and look what it did.  That thick black line at the bottom of my last post is about four or five paragraphs long.  I'll have to come back and retype it tomorrow.  I'm running out of time right now.


Hi O No,

 

That is why I compose most of my writings in a Composition window first.  It gives me two advantages.  First, I save it as a draft so that if anything happens in posting, I can always go back for the original.  The Composition window, I use Netscape, allows me to easily make modifications, etc., before posting.  And, it gives me an original copy just in case one of my admirers accuse me of writing something I did not.

 

So, I get security from losing my writing and I get security from accusations from disgruntled admirers.

 

Works for me,

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Thanks for the advice Pup. I went back and got rid of all the breaks and now it is one long paragraph. To make it easier to read, I'm going to post it here yet AGAIN, and put the breaks back in.

 

 

So, you think all I ever post is a "whine about how my faith is being persecuted"? Um hmm. Could you SHOW me one of these posts? Or a whole bunch of them, seeing that's "all I ever post lately"?
Hmm...in the school PA thread, didn't I agree that it's against the law to pray over the PA? That couldn't be it...Was it over in politics when I was making fun of all these Repubs who claim God told them to run? Nope, that couldn't be it...Um, was it in one of the threads where a fundy was touting the 6,000 year old universe, and I chimed in that the universe is far older than that, and evolution is a fact? Nope, that doesn't qualify either...How about all of the anti-g a y threads where I jumped in saying that it is NOT our place to judge? Well, that can't be it either... 
 
Nope. Sorry Pup, but the only time I have a problem with an atheist (or anyone else for that matter) is when they either lie, insult, or twist my words. But you STILL haven't answered MY question. Why is it OK for an atheist to ridicule MY faith, but it's not OK for me to ridicule their LACK of faith? It IS a double standard. The pendulum HAS swung too far in the other direction.
 
 So you've been asked what church you attend. I have never asked you that. So why should you jump down MY throat? I used to jump on Unob's posts because he constantly insulted me. But I always defended atheists like Bluetick, and I used to defend YOU, because you had a live and let live attitude.
 
So far, we are even. SOME atheists are insulting and seem to feel superior to us "delusional" Christians. SOME Christians are insulting to atheists and seem to feel superior to those "Godless heathens". As I said in another thread, INDIVIDUALS are the only ones responsible for what they say and do. So why act like ALL Christians are trying to ram religion down your throat when it's simply not true? And even though I am on record saying that prayer should NOT be broadcast over the PA, you seem to be stuck on THAT thread. What we are talking about here is this guy and his ice cream shop. AND the guy in the street who was broadcasting HIS insulting mock sermon. So why isn't it against the law for HIM to do THAT? I'll tell you why - because it has become politically correct to MUZZLE Christians. 
 
I worked in a store once where we were ORDERED not to say Merry Christmas to ANY customers - even when they were buying Christmas trees! It wasn't politically correct! What could be more hypocritical than that? That's like telling people they can't wish someone a happy fourth of July because you never know if the person you are saying it to might not be American. Foolish, hypocritical, and just plain wrong. So, if we can't say Merry Christmas, why don't we start saying "Happy first week in July"? Makes about as much sense.
 

Welcome to the Here and Now, O.

Political correctness has taken over the country-well, those parts where there aren't enclaves of people who wanna overthrow 'the gummint.'

Political correctness can go overboard sometimes-and you prolly ain't seen the half of it.

 

Try arguing your Christian point of view to a Long Island Jew.  OY VEY! You'll wish ya were an atheist.

 

Which posts?

I could go back  and collect them, but is it really necessary? I mean, I'll do it if ya really want me to. Starting with the ones ya posted on just this thread.

 

You can ridicule any faith-or lack of- ya want to. That's the beauty of living in this U.S. of A.

Nobody's got preference and everybody's fair game.  (Word: ya gotta be able to catch as good as ya can pitch, though.)

 

Just ya (not necessarily 'ya' in particular) look like a sore loser if somebody zings yours and ya get all bent outta shape over it. Yeah I'm hung up on the PA thing...It is the whole christian mentality around here SOLIDIFIED.  They got their peckers slammed in a sliding door and NOW they're all bent outta shape. Well Boo hoo. It's about time somebody dropped dime on the ChrisTaliban.

 

I say christians are trying to ram their belief down my throat because nine time out of ten THEY ARE.  The other one's mouth is full and he'll get to doing it shortly..

 

I'm surrounded by the christian majority.  Folks who don't know anything other than a belief in god and are surrounded by others who don't know anything other than a belief in god-so I guess they figure I'm defective if I don't believe in a god.

 

Just because they outnumber me, doesn't mean they're RIGHT.

 

A mob is only as smart as the stupidest person in it.

 

I don't lie to you, insult you, or twist your words. I may give you back my understanding of them-and if that's insulting to you-then maybe ya should either grow a thicker skin or stop putting them out there where I can pick them up and hand them back to you.

 

O, you don't have to jump in to defend me, and I don't feel obligated to ya because ya used to jump in. Don't take this as an insult, but I was born without ya and I'm doin' all right.  I c'n hold ma own. 

 

Either ya agree with me or ya don't. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it.

Disagreement isn't a final thing. Mountains don't crumble because of it.  S#!t happens.

I DO live and let live.  Until somebody tells me the way I'm living is wrong just because it's not the accepted way everybody else is doing it.

 

As to the guy ska-ruing his own business?  That's like saying "YOU BETTER STOP OR I'LL SHOOT MY OTHER FOOT!!!!1"

 

I LOL'ed.

 

 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled jihad....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all,

 

While Mr. Drennan may have acted impulsively -- I can understand his frustration and his reasoning.  No Christian should have to put up with people mocking and cursing our God or our Bible.  As far as I am concerned, the humanist group were the first to be at fault.  This is from the article which O No posted:

 

Andy Drennen apologized in a letter posted Monday on the website Reddit.  He said he posted the hastily drawn sign in his shop, Gelato Mio, on Saturday after seeing someone attending Skepticon delivering a mock sermon and cursing the Bible.


Why did a humanist, atheist, and secularist (or all of the above) feel a need to "deliver a mock sermon and curse the Bible"


And, why do the people running the humanist convention allow such a flagrant offense against Christians to happen at their convention?  If the offense had been against homosexuals, Satanists, New Agers, Cultists, Buddhists, etc. -- would the organizers have allowed it?  Most likely not.  But, against Christians -- it is open hunting season.


Does it make them feel bigger, more powerful?   Does it make them feel empowered?  If you really think about it -- there is no logical reason for doing such an offensive act.  If the humanist want to meet, discuss their own beliefs and their own organization, discuss the business details of their organizations, etc. -- can they not do this without belittling others.  Or, is that part of being a humanist?  Was that the true purpose of the convention -- to attack Christians and Christianity?


Do these people need to put others down in order to feel that they have power?  It all seem very childish to me.


Now, I realize that my two devoted Lady Admirers, and a couple of their locked-at-the-hip buddies, will accuse me of doing the same thing.  They are wrong.  You will not find me making nasty remarks about another person's belief. 


It what the another person writes is blatantly false -- and I can, from the Bible, show where this is false teaching -- that is not attacking anyone.  That is not making nasty remarks against anyone.   If you tell me that the moon is purple cheese -- and, I can show you factually that it is not -- that is not an attack, that is a correction.


However, for the humanist convention to publicly make a mock sermon and curse our Christian Bible -- is nothing less than a viscous attack.  And, I do not blame the Christian shop owner for being offended.  Yes, he acted impulsively -- but, I can understand his feelings. 


I cannot count the number of times I have wanted to do the same with the small handful of people on the Religion Forum who post offensive comments about the Christian religion, our God, or our Bible.   Many times I have written a post -- and, then, once my steam had been blown -- just deleted what I had written.


So, was this shop owner wrong?  To a degree, yes.  But, his offense was miniscule compared to that of the humanist convention people.


God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,


Bill

Shalom

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Meshuggeneh.

 

What BeeG is saying is almost exactly the same as if a black rapper sings a song about killing white police officers and raping white women-it's referred to as 'cultural expression.'

 But if a white man says anything derogatory about a black man-it's referred to as 'racism.'

 

THERE'S your double standard.

 

Apparently it's OK around here for christians-because they're the majority here) to 'correct' non-believers and anybody else they disagree with-by whatever means possible, but if a heathen (or even a mormon, for that matter) does it to a christian-it's referred to as 'persecution.'

 

Bulls#!t.

 

Yer not fooling anybody.

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Hi O No,

 

You piqued my curiosity with the word "Bogosity."   So, I had to look it up.

 

Bogosity definition:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bogosity


/boh-go's*-tee/ The degree to which something is "bogus" in the hackish sense of "bad."  At CMU, bogosity is measured with a bogometer; in a seminar, when a speaker says something bogus, a listener might raise his hand and say "My bogometer just triggered."  More extremely, "You just pinned my bogometer" means you just said or did something so outrageously bogus that it is off the scale, pinning the bogometer needle at the highest possible reading (one might also say "You just redlined my bogometer").  The agreed-upon unit of bogosity is the microLenat.  Also, the potential field generated by a bogon flux; see quantum bogodynamics. See also bogon flux, bogon filter.   (2002-04-14) 

 

By the way, thank you for bringing this offensive humanist act, and their convention, to our attention.

 

Smile, God loves you!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

TGIF - Thank God I am Forgiven

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quote:    Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

Get glasses, Alice.    I already posted that exact same definition.  Waaaaaaay up yonder.   Congrats! You're mediocre! 


Hi Puppy,

 

Congratulations!  For once you agreed with Bill Gray -- so, at least you were right one time!  Your batting average is improving -- 1 out of 100,000 tries is not too bad for a Noo Yawk Tawker in a muscle shirt!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Tweety Dancing In The Rain

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quote:  Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

ROFLMMFAO!    Actually, BeeG. I posted it first.  Which means YOU agreed with ME.   Touche.


THIS IS AN AMAZING DAY!  Congratulations, Puppy!  You have now been correct twice.   Keep this up and you will be batting .00025%

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all, 

Now, I realize that my two devoted Lady Admirers, and a couple of their locked-at-the-hip buddies, will accuse me of doing the same thing.  They are wrong.  You will not find me making nasty remarks about another person's belief. 

It what the another person writes is blatantly false -- and I can, from the Bible, show where this is false teaching -- that is not attacking anyone.  

Bill

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Lady Admirers??? Careful, Bill, your low self-esteem is showing. You need to look up the word admirer, you've made yourself look pretty dumb if you think you have any admirers on this forum..

You are a liar! You have indeed been very nasty to others about their belief. It's ok to disagree with someone but you carry it much further. I would find those post & show you but it does no good. You won't reply, call it a spitting contest & run off. 

 

Your teaching of OSAS is blatantly false. I've given you scriptures to prove it but you run when confronted with it.

 

O,

The pendulum has just begun to swing toward the other direction, especially in small towns in the South. There is still a long ways to go yet, but we will get there before too long. All the spoiled knee-jerk boohoo-ing and tantrums won't slow the inevitable and necessary progress toward legal compliance and equality. I advise that you get used to it and broaden your perspective on the issues at hand. Please also accept the truth that your own privilege skews your perspective about the actual position of the "pendulum" and the full scale it can travel. If it had already swung too far, we wouldn't be filing and winning more and more lawsuits left and right throughout the US. And please for god's sake don't equate being called to remedy illegal behavior against your fellow citizens as Christian "persecution".

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

O,

The pendulum has just begun to swing toward the other direction, especially in small towns in the South. There is still a long ways to go yet, but we will get there before too long. All the spoiled knee-jerk boohoo-ing and tantrums won't slow the inevitable and necessary progress toward legal compliance and equality. I advise that you get used to it and broaden your perspective on the issues at hand. Please also accept the truth that your own privilege skews your perspective about the actual position of the "pendulum" and the full scale it can travel. If it had already swung too far, we wouldn't be filing and winning more and more lawsuits left and right throughout the US. And please for god's sake don't equate being called to remedy illegal behavior against your fellow citizens as Christian "persecution".

So the guy didn't want to serve a bunch of jerks whose only purpose for being in the area was to try and offend Christians, so what and what's the big deal? IMHO it wasn't a smart thing to do because someone's belief system should have nothing to do with whether or not his business was willing to take their money but It wasn't illegal for him to refuse service, it's not much different than if a Jewish, Catholic, or minority owned business were to refuse service to a neo **** or kkk outfit. 

Even though it wasn't illegal, the guy was wise to take it down as I am sure that an ice cream shop is not likely to be funded well enough to pay attorney fees in the event that one of the "skeptic" nut jobs were to file a frivolous lawsuit. 

Ono, you are simply over the top here with righteous indignation.  The law says you cannot discriminate against any customer for race, sex, religion or national origin. It's the law. Now, if a customer comes in and is disrespectful to you for ANY reason, you can refuse service.  If a known atheist came into my business, I wojuld politely serve him and take his money and perhaps donate it to my church.  If a Muslim came in, same deal.  I don't think aheism is a religion but it is given the same protections as religion acording to the law so I'd be in violation if I refused to serve him absed on that alone. But if he came in blaring that God doesn't exist (or Allah is the true god), he crosses the line of civility.  You can't be a butthole and expect to be served.  The guy in the story simply heard some guy on the street making claims against his religion.  That is not justification enough to bar all non-faiths from entering.

Originally Posted by O No!:

And you know what? The more I think about it, atheists INSIST their lack of belief is NOT a religion. I agree. So that law does NOT apply.

 

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Ono, atheism isn't technically a religion (as far as I know, they don't go to an atheist church, don't have any sort of "doctrine" and don't worship anything supernatural which is sort of a requirement for "religion")  but it is afforded the same protections under the 1st Amendment separation clause.  I would polite suggest you study this issue before banning anyone, regardless of their beliefs, from your business.  I welcome atheist, muslim, hindu and pastafarian money at my business (florist), by the way.  As far as I'm concerned anyone who walks in by door is green and looks like George Washington . .  Unless they are buttholes about it.

Frank, quit with trying to convince anyone that atheism is not a religion.

It obviously is and the USA government agrees it is.

    The current movement is that atheists are joining up with the Humanist by tens as has been seen here on this forum. Humanists insist they themselves are religious.

        For the atheist, humanism does come with some options. Rather than living with the concept of being like Rover when they die [dead all over] there is the hope by atheists to limbo under the pay-toilet-door, without paying,  right into some part of the grace of God just in case He is for real.

     Humanism is the mechanism by which they can be charitable and “church like” to better fit in with society.

   Frank the more you insist they are not religious the harder you make it for the atheist to be somewhat normal in appearance to a world they must live in. a religious one.

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