I know we have heard that the oil disaster was facilitated by those mysterious "deregulations". That the previous administrations cozy relationship with "big oil" led to the disaster. And ofcourse we have heard this is exactly why business cannot be trusted to do the right thing...we need those benevolent politicians to take care of us all.

It has been reported somewhat that BP actually made a deal with Louisianna to drill in 500 feet of water and the Feds BLOCKED that and made them drill at 5000 feet. It has also been reported that the “top recipient of BP-related donations during the 2008 cycle was President Barack Obama himself, who collected $71,000.”

It has been reported extensively the horrible record BP has...what I have not heard or seen reported by any in the major media...and maybe I just missed it...but this little revealing fact would seem to be just as important as BP's terrible record:

"The Obama administration granted BP a waiver of environmental regulations in April 2009"

I've found this mentioned in a couple of editorial pieces HERE and HERE

I have no particular ax to grind with the Obama administration...but can you imagine the outrage and non-stop coverage if the waivers had been signed by Bush.

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I did hear Senator Nelson from Florida talking about the sea bed being cracked from the failed "top kill" and there being several spots where oil is now leaking from sea floor.
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Originally posted by Woodsman:
I did hear Senator Nelson from Florida talking about the sea bed being cracked from the failed "top kill" and there being several spots where oil is now leaking from sea floor.

We will probably not know until this thing is plugged from the bottom, but there have been a lot of people in the news saying it looks like "top kill' may have ruptured the pipes down in the seafloor. I have also heard it said that BP used cheaper equipment like pipes etc on this well. Everything about it has been a cluster *-mess.
Oh well, why should we even worry about the environment when there is money to be made. Drill baby drill.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Oh well, why should we even worry about the environment when there is money to be made. Drill baby drill.


The gulf situation is terrible...but that is just silly...try going one day without your life being influenced by the oil industry...and here's a hint...despite the wacky enviromentalist...you wouldn't want to...
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Oh well, why should we even worry about the environment when there is money to be made. Drill baby drill.


The gulf situation is terrible...but that is just silly...try going one day without your life being influenced by the oil industry...and here's a hint...despite the wacky enviromentalist...you wouldn't want to...

Actually I AM and environmentalist, although lack of concern for the environment in the current PB fiasco leads me to believe that we are not the wacky ones. The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Oh well, why should we even worry about the environment when there is money to be made. Drill baby drill.


The gulf situation is terrible...but that is just silly...try going one day without your life being influenced by the oil industry...and here's a hint...despite the wacky enviromentalist...you wouldn't want to...

Actually I AM and environmentalist, although lack of concern for the environment in the current PB fiasco leads me to believe that we are not the wacky ones. The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.


Really? You completely miss the point...I am in NO way defending BP...the point is THERE ARE REGULATIONS...Government has failed as badly (if not more) than BP...that was the point of highlighting the fact that BP recieved a WAVIER from government.

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Originally posted by seeweed:
Actually I AM and environmentalist


You are what? Living without the benefits of oil? If you actually believe that you are terribly naive. You have a computer and you are online...you are NOT living without the benefits of the oil industry...

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Originally posted by seeweed:
The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.


The drill crowd is not for the most part lobbying for NO regulation...they are arguing for the US to become more energy self reliant.

Regardless if you think you are an enviromnetalist, if the ban on all the oil drilling in the gulf stays in effect, if cap 'n tax passes...OIL IS NOT GOING AWAY...it may become wildly expensive, but it is not going to be replaced by anything in the forseeable future...it NOT political it is PHYSICS...
But after all is said and done, aren't we all happy that BP wants to protect all those walruses that live in the Gulf of Mexico??!!

SAVE THE GULF WALRUS--THE RAREST OF ENDANGERED SPECIES!!
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Originally posted by beternU:
But after all is said and done, aren't we all happy that BP wants to protect all those walruses that live in the Gulf of Mexico??!!

SAVE THE GULF WALRUS--THE RAREST OF ENDANGERED SPECIES!!

Are you referring to that magnificent but rare Caribbean Walrus ? I think they are on the endangered list since no one has seen one in --- well, some time . Big Grin
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Oh well, why should we even worry about the environment when there is money to be made. Drill baby drill.


The gulf situation is terrible...but that is just silly...try going one day without your life being influenced by the oil industry...and here's a hint...despite the wacky enviromentalist...you wouldn't want to...

Actually I AM and environmentalist, although lack of concern for the environment in the current PB fiasco leads me to believe that we are not the wacky ones. The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.


Really? You completely miss the point...I am in NO way defending BP...the point is THERE ARE REGULATIONS...Government has failed as badly (if not more) than BP...that was the point of highlighting the fact that BP recieved a WAVIER from government.

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Originally posted by seeweed:
Actually I AM and environmentalist


You are what? Living without the benefits of oil? If you actually believe that you are terribly naive. You have a computer and you are online...you are NOT living without the benefits of the oil industry...

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Originally posted by seeweed:
The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.


The drill crowd is not for the most part lobbying for NO regulation...they are arguing for the US to become more energy self reliant.

Regardless if you think you are an enviromnetalist, if the ban on all the oil drilling in the gulf stays in effect, if cap 'n tax passes...OIL IS NOT GOING AWAY...it may become wildly expensive, but it is not going to be replaced by anything in the forseeable future...it NOT political it is PHYSICS...

Well, I'm not sure where to start:
1st, Cap and trade has little to do with oil, although oil being a fossil fuel does produce CO2.
Energy independence, more accurately oil independence is not going to happen no matter how many holes we drill into where ever. We have about 3 or 4% of the known world oil reserves , and use about 25% of the world oil supply. The 33 wells that are currently stopped in order to insure that what happened on the Deepwater Horizen will not happen again won't make very much difference in the overall picture of oil.

I'm still amazed that you think my owning and using a computer is closly related to oil drilling. I know the plastic comes from the oil, but the works come from sand (like what's on the beach) , so pardon me if I can't draw a real line between the two.

I am for ENERGY independence. We already have most of the ENERGY we need in reserves , although we import a lot of gas from Canada, but it is OIL that is the problem. Until we decide to ween ourselves from oil for personal transportation, we will NEVER have "energy" independence. NEVER. We just use too damm much, and we do not use much of it wisely.
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Until we decide to ween ourselves from oil for personal transportation, we will NEVER have "energy" independence.



The above says it all! Elitists believe the lowly commoner should never have the right to go where his wishes, when he wishes.

All must be shackled to public transportation, which take you where the government wishes you to go. You must wait until it comes. No matter, if its raining, snowing, or 100 degrees outside. No matter if you're 77 years old, handicapped, carrying groceries, or a combination, thereof.

Seeweed lets slip his true personal -- Freudian slip, or not!

If, you study the society they wish for us, its all crammed into small apartments in high rises. Seeweed, pack your bags and go to Tokyo, I believe you'll be happier their. Oh yes, unless you're Japanese, you can eat seeweed, but not digest it.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Until we decide to ween ourselves from oil for personal transportation, we will NEVER have "energy" independence.



The above says it all! Elitists believe the lowly commoner should never have the right to go where his wishes, when he wishes.

All must be shackled to public transportation, which take you where the government wishes you to go. You must wait until it comes. No matter, if its raining, snowing, or 100 degrees outside. No matter if you're 77 years old, handicapped, carrying groceries, or a combination, thereof.

Seeweed lets slip his true personal -- Freudian slip, or not!

If, you study the society they wish for us, its all crammed into small apartments in high rises. Seeweed, pack your bags and go to Tokyo, I believe you'll be happier their. Oh yes, unless you're Japanese, you can eat seeweed, but not digest it.

Interventor, I expected a much more intelligent post from you than this, as you know I never implied anything like you portrayed. You are capable of much better. What a disappointment!
they say on TV that we have enough natural Gas to run on for 50-60 yrs why can't we burn natural gas in our Cars, also I heard the other day that Obama had loaned Brazil 2 billion dollars and George Soros and a few more of them guys that have stolen all our Money are in on drilling in Brazil at 14,000 ft, seems unreasonable but you can never tell, I mean the Depth seems unreasonable, nothing seems unreasonable from these other Yokels.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Until we decide to ween ourselves from oil for personal transportation, we will NEVER have "energy" independence.



The above says it all! Elitists believe the lowly commoner should never have the right to go where his wishes, when he wishes.

All must be shackled to public transportation, which take you where the government wishes you to go. You must wait until it comes. No matter, if its raining, snowing, or 100 degrees outside. No matter if you're 77 years old, handicapped, carrying groceries, or a combination, thereof.

Seeweed lets slip his true personal -- Freudian slip, or not!

If, you study the society they wish for us, its all crammed into small apartments in high rises. Seeweed, pack your bags and go to Tokyo, I believe you'll be happier their. Oh yes, unless you're Japanese, you can eat seeweed, but not digest it.

Interventor, I expected a much more intelligent post from you than this, as you know I never implied anything like you portrayed. You are capable of much better. What a disappointment!


If, you did not meant to call for an end of individual transportation, I withdraw my statement. I've read too many such from the ecos lately!
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Originally posted by prince albert:
they say on TV that we have enough natural Gas to run on for 50-60 yrs why can't we burn natural gas in our Cars, also I heard the other day that Obama had loaned Brazil 2 billion dollars and George Soros and a few more of them guys that have stolen all our Money are in on drilling in Brazil at 14,000 ft, seems unreasonable but you can never tell, I mean the Depth seems unreasonable, nothing seems unreasonable from these other Yokels.


Brazil is already drilling in 10,000 to 12,000 feet already. Add, drilling in all areas and use of sugar cane stalks for ethanol (about 25 percent mixed with gas) means self sufficiency for Brazil.

Our natural gas is best used to replace diesel in buses and large trucks. In general, NG provides lower energy and isn't the best for cars. However, small intercity taxis with NG are feasible. Most of the taxis in South Korea use NG. They are small and have little truck space. I've ridden in many of these.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Oh well, why should we even worry about the environment when there is money to be made. Drill baby drill.


The gulf situation is terrible...but that is just silly...try going one day without your life being influenced by the oil industry...and here's a hint...despite the wacky enviromentalist...you wouldn't want to...

Actually I AM and environmentalist, although lack of concern for the environment in the current PB fiasco leads me to believe that we are not the wacky ones. The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.


Really? You completely miss the point...I am in NO way defending BP...the point is THERE ARE REGULATIONS...Government has failed as badly (if not more) than BP...that was the point of highlighting the fact that BP recieved a WAVIER from government.

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Originally posted by seeweed:
Actually I AM and environmentalist


You are what? Living without the benefits of oil? If you actually believe that you are terribly naive. You have a computer and you are online...you are NOT living without the benefits of the oil industry...

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Originally posted by seeweed:
The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.


The drill crowd is not for the most part lobbying for NO regulation...they are arguing for the US to become more energy self reliant.

Regardless if you think you are an enviromnetalist, if the ban on all the oil drilling in the gulf stays in effect, if cap 'n tax passes...OIL IS NOT GOING AWAY...it may become wildly expensive, but it is not going to be replaced by anything in the forseeable future...it NOT political it is PHYSICS...

Well, I'm not sure where to start:
1st, Cap and trade has little to do with oil, although oil being a fossil fuel does produce CO2.
Energy independence, more accurately oil independence is not going to happen no matter how many holes we drill into where ever. We have about 3 or 4% of the known world oil reserves , and use about 25% of the world oil supply. The 33 wells that are currently stopped in order to insure that what happened on the Deepwater Horizen will not happen again won't make very much difference in the overall picture of oil.

I'm still amazed that you think my owning and using a computer is closly related to oil drilling. I know the plastic comes from the oil, but the works come from sand (like what's on the beach) , so pardon me if I can't draw a real line between the two.

I am for ENERGY independence. We already have most of the ENERGY we need in reserves , although we import a lot of gas from Canada, but it is OIL that is the problem. Until we decide to ween ourselves from oil for personal transportation, we will NEVER have "energy" independence. NEVER. We just use too damm much, and we do not use much of it wisely.


You're wrong about the oil we could produce...but that's not the point...

I never said we could or would become energy independent...You mis-characterized the "drill baby drill" crowd...All though I do believe North America could be close to energy independent...but that's not the point either...

The point I made...that is indisputable...regardless how much you and the rest of the eco-crowd want to demonize it...oil is not going anywhere any time soon (decades)...We can make it wildly expensive with our energy policy...which you seem to advocate...we can cripple ourselves and become similiar to a 3rd world country...Oil and it's uses has fueled the increases in our standard of living for the last 120 some odd years...and if you don't see how that relates to your everyday life, then you're a lost cause...but oil is not going anywhere and once again...It's NOT political...it simple physics...
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Originally posted by seeweed:
...but it is OIL that is the problem...We just use too damm much, and we do not use much of it wisely.


Who says OIL is THE problem...Al Gore? Who says we use TOO much?

All that is politically correct bias...

I don't believe man-made global warming...and no science has definitively proven that...and as we all know much has been discredited recently.

We don't have to hash out all the global warming stuff...that's been done to death. You believe in man-made global warming...I get that...I don't.

And unless that is proven...this business of Oil is the problem is nothing more than a bias of what YOU want to force on others.
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
...but it is OIL that is the problem...We just use too damm much, and we do not use much of it wisely.


Who says OIL is THE problem...Al Gore? Who says we use TOO much?

All that is politically correct bias...

I don't believe man-made global warming...and no science has definitively proven that...and as we all know much has been discredited recently.

We don't have to hash out all the global warming stuff...that's been done to death. You believe in man-made global warming...I get that...I don't.

And unless that is proven...this business of Oil is the problem is nothing more than a bias of what YOU want to force on others.


It was I who said that ! and with good reason, we as a country consume 25% of the world supply of oil but only have known 3% of the reserves. Simple math. If you use more than you got, sooner or later you will get in trouble gettin' what someone else has got. Like I said, we use too much oil. That's just a fact.

How in the hell you got Al Gore into this is beyond me. I suspect you are as obsessed with Gore as some claim beternu is with SP.

And for the record, I do believe that burning of fossil fuels contributes to global warming, I also believe much of that is from coal, and de-forestation. Ruphert Murdock has set aside his goal to de-bunk most of the scientist in the world about the carbon link to climate change, I don't listen to his crap on FOX, and therefore am free to think for myself.
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It was I who said that ! and with good reason, we as a country consume 25% of the world supply of oil but only have known 3% of the reserves. Simple math. If you use more than you got, sooner or later you will get in trouble gettin' what someone else has got. Like I said, we use too much oil. That's just a fact.


Consuming more of an item than you can produce is no big deal. We also eat more bananas than we grow domestically. While it may be a fact that we use more oil than we produce, there is absoutely no basis for declaring that amount to be "too much."
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Oh well, why should we even worry about the environment when there is money to be made. Drill baby drill.


The gulf situation is terrible...but that is just silly...try going one day without your life being influenced by the oil industry...and here's a hint...despite the wacky enviromentalist...you wouldn't want to...

Actually I AM and environmentalist, although lack of concern for the environment in the current PB fiasco leads me to believe that we are not the wacky ones. The drill baby drill bunch who think the oil industry is better served being self-regulating kinda take that title along with all those republicans (not capitalized for a reason) that want to apologize to BP for making them hurt over this matter surely are the most wackey of all.



I have a question for you, one which naturally could not be answered by you, or me, but most likely is apparent. Environmentalist created the atmosphere and led to the rules that forced companies like BP to drill in such depths that if something did happen that it would be impossible to use humans or man to dive and try and stop the problem.

IF the companies had been allowed to drill where men could dive to the site and work to stop the leak could it have already been stopped? Chances are that far less environmental damage would have been done and most likely the well could have been contained if it was in shallower water but companies can't do that.

I think environmentalist share a part in the blame of this disaster, not in it happening, but in the fact that it is so hard to contain it or stop it. They felt that they were protecting the environment and the rest of us by preventing drilling closer to shore but in doing what they did and forcing the restrictions they set up the scenario for a much worse catastrophe and more damage to the environment.

They now seek to do away with ALL drilling? That isn't going to happen but what will happen is the US will quit but Russia, China, and a host of others will continue to drill and we will pay the price for it. The thing missing from the whole equation, on the part of environmentalist, is REASON.
Well, we're getting no where and at the risk of personally insulting you...you seem to lack reading comprehension...

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Originally posted by seeweed:
...but it is OIL that is the problem...



And then:

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Originally posted by seeweed:
How in the hell you got Al Gore into this is beyond me. I suspect you are as obsessed with Gore as some claim beternu is with SP


Beats me how I got to Al Gore...


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It was I who said that ! and with good reason, we as a country consume 25% of the world supply of oil but only have known 3% of the reserves. Simple math. If you use more than you got, sooner or later you will get in trouble gettin' what someone else has got. Like I said, we use too much oil. That's just a fact.



As dolemitejb points out it's not "wrong" or "too much"...it's free trade, specialization, comparative advantage, etc.

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I don't listen to his crap on FOX, and therefore am free to think for myself.


If you really were thinking for yourself, you would be a little more cautious about whole heartedly believing in man-made global warming...

But since you are so enviromentally sensative...I guess you must be fuming over the original point of the thread...The current administration's enviromental waiver for BP to drill after their terrible record...
You are correct, I am Pizzed beyond measure. Also, I am fuming over the current administration not cleaning house at MMS, which was already known to be corrupt from the last admin upon taking office. Now, I think those who approved all the shortcuts should serve hard time in Angola.
I also see this problem as an invasion, and I think we should transfer military personal from Iraq to La, and use them to assist keeping the oil out of the marshes. Hell, even bring them back from Afghanistan if need be.
I am mad at the current admin for allowing BP to continue to use chemical dispersants on the oil, and letting BP get away from using several of the environmentally friendly methods of absorbing the oil because they would not ultimately be able to sell it if they were used.

As to your prior statement, I am cautions, and maybe if you listened to a little less Murdock (the only outlett I know who actually denies made influenced global warming), we all should be cautions. We are rolling the dice on doing to our planet something that is not within the living records of humans. The planet has for sure been hotter- during the reign of the dinosaur, but not in human's time. (unless you are a fundamentalist that believes that Flintstones is real) I believe anybody that thinks we should ignore warning signs, and just bungle ahead polluting as quickly as we can, is being foolhearty.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
You are correct, I am Pizzed beyond measure. Also, I am fuming over the current administration not cleaning house at MMS, which was already known to be corrupt from the last admin upon taking office. Now, I think those who approved all the shortcuts should serve hard time in Angola.
I also see this problem as an invasion, and I think we should transfer military personal from Iraq to La, and use them to assist keeping the oil out of the marshes. Hell, even bring them back from Afghanistan if need be.
I am mad at the current admin for allowing BP to continue to use chemical dispersants on the oil, and letting BP get away from using several of the environmentally friendly methods of absorbing the oil because they would not ultimately be able to sell it if they were used.

As to your prior statement, I am cautions, and maybe if you listened to a little less Murdock (the only outlett I know who actually denies made influenced global warming), we all should be cautions. We are rolling the dice on doing to our planet something that is not within the living records of humans. The planet has for sure been hotter- during the reign of the dinosaur, but not in human's time. (unless you are a fundamentalist that believes that Flintstones is real) I believe anybody that thinks we should ignore warning signs, and just bungle ahead polluting as quickly as we can, is being foolhearty.


Actually, the planet has been much colder -- look at the short stocky neandertaler specifically evolved for cold. And, considerable warmer when proto-humans roamed the earth before neandertaler. The planet was much warmer after Cro magnon emerged. Unless, you don't believe in that.
Regardless whether we believe it's Man made global warming or Climate change, we have a responsibility to the future generations. We're the only species on the planet that leaves more waste than what we use. It's about doing the right thing.
Here's another Big Oil screw up:
Ecuador’s environment has suffered a number of spills over the years. In 2002, the BBC reported that Ecuadoran activists told them spills have released more oil over the last 30 years there than the total amount of the Exxon Valdez disaster. An article published in 2006 seems to confirm the large number, “the country has reported 117 oil spills.”
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
You are correct, I am Pizzed beyond measure. Also, I am fuming over the current administration not cleaning house at MMS, which was already known to be corrupt from the last admin upon taking office. Now, I think those who approved all the shortcuts should serve hard time in Angola.
I also see this problem as an invasion, and I think we should transfer military personal from Iraq to La, and use them to assist keeping the oil out of the marshes. Hell, even bring them back from Afghanistan if need be.
I am mad at the current admin for allowing BP to continue to use chemical dispersants on the oil, and letting BP get away from using several of the environmentally friendly methods of absorbing the oil because they would not ultimately be able to sell it if they were used.

As to your prior statement, I am cautions, and maybe if you listened to a little less Murdock (the only outlett I know who actually denies made influenced global warming), we all should be cautions. We are rolling the dice on doing to our planet something that is not within the living records of humans. The planet has for sure been hotter- during the reign of the dinosaur, but not in human's time. (unless you are a fundamentalist that believes that Flintstones is real) I believe anybody that thinks we should ignore warning signs, and just bungle ahead polluting as quickly as we can, is being foolhearty.


Actually, the planet has been much colder -- look at the short stocky neandertaler specifically evolved for cold. And, considerable warmer when proto-humans roamed the earth before neandertaler. The planet was much warmer after Cro magnon emerged. Unless, you don't believe in that.

Yes, the planet has been everything from completely frozen over to a lot warmer than it is now. As far as I can remember , no research here, we have had some ice ages in the history of humanoids, but the planet was much hotter during the dinosaur age. Fluctuation since have been more extreme towards cold than hot. Theory is that if the planet continues to warm, the Icelandic glacier will melt, as it is doing now, and all that fresh water pouring into the North Atlantic will stop the "Gulf Stream". If this happens, global warming could turn into another ice age of sorts. The Earth will eventually be ok, it is us that may be gone then.
I tried simple allusion, now I'll spell it out.

About 37,000 years ago mammoths were frozen alive in the upper reaches of the Yukon, Alaska and east Siberia. Before that, the area was rich with grasslands. Grasslands that supported herds of hundreds of mammoths. Mammoths averaged 6 to 8 tons, with large males weighing in at 12 tons. To support such appetites, the climate must be warm. If, the area just below the arctic circle was that warm, the rest of the earth was much warmer.

Modern humans survived that era, the ensuing ice age and, obviously -- NOW!
Roger that! Most humans will survive! Better pack some spam, potted meat and canned beans kiddos!

Now back to BP
The Gulf of Mexico is Awash in 27,000 Abandoned Wells

July 8, 2010

File this under: it could get much, much worse, or it’s so bad that we finally want to fix it, once and for all. Your thoughts are welcome. Jeff Donn and Mitch Weiss write in the AP via Google News:

More than 27,000 abandoned oil and gas wells lurk in the hard rock beneath the Gulf of Mexico, an environmental minefield that has been ignored for decades. No one — not industry, not government — is checking to see if they are leaking, an Associated Press investigation shows.

The oldest of these wells were abandoned in the late 1940s, raising the prospect that many deteriorating sealing jobs are already failing.

The AP investigation uncovered particular concern with 3,500 of the neglected wells — those characterized in federal government records as “temporarily abandoned.”

Regulations for temporarily abandoned wells require oil companies to present plans to reuse or permanently plug

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