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Originally posted by IHAVENOUSEFORLIARS:
Raine- it's not judging when these are FACTS brought to the attention of the congregation

Bill Gray- it IS our business on how much he tithes if he is going to spend 5 sermons recently on telling us how much WE should be giving

Mr. Hooberbloob-I understand you have spoken to BD. He lied in front his entire congregation on sun morning so I bet he is lying to your face as well. you think??

If BD would be humble and more than willing to work with a counselor on these issues with the elders I don't think there would be a problem. BUT he is NOT WILLING. (and I will not make a judgement as to why not) When you hold a position such as this your accountability is at a higher level. The most sad part is for these elders who have been such servants to the people of this church for so long. (visits to hospitals, funerals, sick people etc.) What about the men who started this church. Brother Henry and his father who have poured their entire lives into Faith Tabernacle. It's sad to me that Eddie and now BD are trying to take away this church from these sweet people.

EVERYONE-It didn't take a public forum to state these facts. they are everywhere


I know Bro. Henry & knew his Dad. Both were/are very, good decent men.
Does Bro. Henry no longer have the control of the church even though he's retired? He & his dad, did after all, build the church.
How can this Pastor keep the elders from speaking?
Where does Bro. Henry stand in all this?
CD, above, writes:

"How can it be fair when the pastor has denied the opportunity for the elders to speak until the very last moment.. how can people make a fair decision if they only hear only a portion of the charges before they vote and the elders get no rebuttal to his answers."

If that description correctly aharacterizes the matter, the the obvious root of the problem is tha the church has got things backwards. The"pastor" does not tell the elders what to do; it is the other way around, providing the church wants to operate along Biblical lines. "Pastor," "elder," "bishop" and "presbyter" are the same office in the Biblical framework of things, but the "pastor" concept today has come to mean someone who is given authority comparable to that of a CEO. Read about what elders are supposed to be and do in the books of I Timothy and Titus and you will see a contrast there with the mode of church leadership as commonly practiced in many churches today. Following the Biblical model will help churches avoid problems of the kind described in the gossipy screeds posted above.
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Originally posted by beternU:
CD, above, writes:
"How can it be fair when the pastor has denied the opportunity for the elders to speak until the very last moment.. how can people make a fair decision if they only hear only a portion of the charges before they vote and the elders get no rebuttal to his answers."

If that description correctly aharacterizes the matter, the the obvious root of the problem is tha the church has got things backwards. The"pastor" does not tell the elders what to do; it is the other way around, providing the church wants to operate along Biblical lines.


I agree. Any Pastor that does not follow the rules of the church/elders that voted him in shouldn't be there. Sounds like it's time for this pastor to go.
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Originally posted by JJ:
And why do I need to be aware of the internal affairs of a church I don't attend? Is this an attempt to feed someone's need for gossip? Doesn't sound very Christian to me.


I agree. Don't air your church's dirty laundry here. Keep it in the congregation and let them decide what to do.

I've only read the first page of this, and I will not read any further.
from former youth pastor's blog.

"Today is June 12 2010. Nearly a week ago my wife and I along with the other Pastors of the church we were at resigned for our positions. ... and now plant a brand new work. life can’t get any more exciting than this. ... Chasing Him, ben"


im a youngen, but whens a chuch split = a church plant Confused Frowner doesn't seam quet right.
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Originally posted by Leb:
from former youth pastor's blog.

"Today is June 12 2010. Nearly a week ago my wife and I along with the other Pastors of the church we were at resigned for our positions. ... and now plant a brand new work. life can’t get any more exciting than this. ... Chasing Him, ben"


im a youngen, but whens a chuch split = a church plant Confused Frowner doesn't seam quet right.



Chasing Him or chasing him? The youth leaders (the word pastor is soo over used!) were not asked to resign, They did so volunterily to "chase" their leader.

I look upon it as God culling the herd. If you place your faith in man instead of God, then leave and follow the man.
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
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Originally posted by Leb:



Chasing Him or chasing him? The youth leaders (the word pastor is soo over used!) were not asked to resign, They did so volunterily to "chase" their leader.

I look upon it as God culling the herd. If you place your faith in man instead of God, then leave and follow the man.


yeeaaahhhh, kinda prideful statement &warped thoughts ya tink? seams god does alotta his cullin from faith & i guess its the only true chrch anywho Confused u really tink these leaders could stay? histroy says NO!

pastor overused? then why r we or u now gettin another pastor & youth pastor? mayb it should b the preacher & youth preacher?
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
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Originally posted by Leb:



Chasing Him or chasing him? The youth leaders (the word pastor is soo over used!) were not asked to resign, They did so volunterily to "chase" their leader.

I look upon it as God culling the herd. If you place your faith in man instead of God, then leave and follow the man.


yeeaaahhhh, kinda prideful statement &warped thoughts ya tink? seams god does alotta his cullin from faith & i guess its the only true chrch anywho Confused u really tink these leaders could stay? histroy says NO!

pastor overused? then why r we or u now gettin another pastor & youth pastor? mayb it should b the preacher & youth preacher?


There is only one true church and that is the body of Christ. Everything else is man-created. Everyone is free to attend wherever and follow whomever they wish. But if a man makes certain egregious errors at one church, chances are he will make them again. There may be a lot of disappointed people in a few months. That is why it is useless to put your faith in a man. Put it in the Lord.

The pastor's wife is not a pastor. The people who lead the youth groups are youth leaders. Why is everyone a pastor all of a sudden?
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
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Originally posted by Leb:
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
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Originally posted by Leb:



Chasing Him or chasing him? The youth leaders (the word pastor is soo over used!) were not asked to resign, They did so volunterily to "chase" their leader.

I look upon it as God culling the herd. If you place your faith in man instead of God, then leave and follow the man.


yeeaaahhhh, kinda prideful statement &warped thoughts ya tink? seams god does alotta his cullin from faith & i guess its the only true chrch anywho Confused u really tink these leaders could stay? histroy says NO!

pastor overused? then why r we or u now gettin another pastor & youth pastor? mayb it should b the preacher & youth preacher?


There is only one true church and that is the body of Christ. Everything else is man-created. Everyone is free to attend wherever and follow whomever they wish. But if a man makes certain egregious errors at one church, chances are he will make them again. There may be a lot of disappointed people in a few months. That is why it is useless to put your faith in a man. Put it in the Lord.

The pastor's wife is not a pastor. The people who lead the youth groups are youth leaders. Why is everyone a pastor all of a sudden?


good thing we r on the same page. ya think if men make certain egregious errors at one church, chances are they will make them again? ido & tink in a few yrs ull b disappointed again

so boys can be pastors but girls cant? the congergation@ faith church better get this 1straight Smiler
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so boys can be pastors but girls cant? the congergation@ faith church better get this 1straight


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so boys can be pastors but girls cant? the congergation@ faith church better get this 1straight


Read it again. That's not what I said. Just because you are married to a pastor, does not make you one. That would include either a male or female.

If you have a problem with Faith, then leave with its blessings. God bless you on your journey. And you will be welcomed back when the time comes.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Can anyone tell me how Bro. Henry feels about what is going on?


Probably very sad that the church his father started and he preached at for forty years has come to this. But, as I said,it may be a blessing in disguise as it may be the Lord's way of cleaning out those "with itching ears" who flit from one church to the next or follow one man after the other.

Bro. Henry's faith is strong, but I hope his congregation rallies around him and comforts him at this time.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Can anyone tell me how Bro. Henry feels about what is going on?


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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
Probably very sad that the church his father started and he preached at for forty years has come to this.

Bro. Henry's faith is strong, but I hope his congregation rallies around him and comforts him at this time.


Knowing Bro. Henry, I'm sure he is sad. His faith is strong, but I was curious if he has no control over the running of Faith anymore?
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
He retired as pastor years ago. The business of the church is run by the elders.

He is such a good and sweet man. I hope something good comes out of all of this.


I knew he retired. I was just curious if he still has any control over anything there since the church is basically his or was.
It's hard for me to imagine that he wouldn't want to keep some sort of control.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
He retired as pastor years ago. The business of the church is run by the elders.

He is such a good and sweet man. I hope something good comes out of all of this.


I knew he retired. I was just curious if he still has any control over anything there since the church is basically his or was.
It's hard for me to imagine that he wouldn't want to keep some sort of control.


ya really think he has no control Confused the problem all along has been that faith tab is his/its our churhc. need evidence? take at the many many post bout firing #s of pastors to save our chuch justification or we've been here for 30 yrs talk. Red Face
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Originally posted by Leb:
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
He retired as pastor years ago. The business of the church is run by the elders.

He is such a good and sweet man. I hope something good comes out of all of this.


I knew he retired. I was just curious if he still has any control over anything there since the church is basically his or was.
It's hard for me to imagine that he wouldn't want to keep some sort of control.


ya really think he has no control Confused the problem all along has been that faith tab is his/its our churhc. need evidence? take at the many many post bout firing #s of pastors to save our chuch justification or we've been here for 30 yrs talk. Red Face


Many of us have been here for the most of our adult lives. I came because he H Melton was a man who served with a pastoral heart. I use to see him before the church was a name in the community picking up people or visiting folks in a Rambler and latter a VW Rabbit. He did not care what he was called whether it was Pasotr or Henry. He just loved and served his Lord. Does he have control?? Not really.....influence and honor yes because of his humble service. He may be consulted, but it only his desire to love the people into relationship with his Lord. It was never a church plan of his to have the big church or ministry. His desire was to reach people and if the building was needed he would only proceed when finances allowed and only with a short term debt. INTEGRITY we have seen on a daily basis is what has kept most of us there.

We do not just get rid of a pastor without cause. The first stepped down because of a serious character issue that to be healthy emotionally would require long term counseling and did not need to be leading as he went through that process. Obviously some believe in instant cures for moral issues, but trust has to be earned even when forgiveness is given. To blame the people at the church for his issues is wrong because you short cut his need to truly be helped and allow him to live in denial. You don't give your trust to someone who has not earned it.

The second man was unwilling to cooperate in serious financial issues that could have allowed the church to loose it's non-profit status. I only speak for myself, but before i knew the leadership had a problem with him I knew I was not attending to be fussed on over things I did not know about and insulted for even bothering to come. His technique was to colorfully detail what he resented over the last week and if you diffed with his at all, you were the devil. A sad waste. I can truly say that I am glad to have that dreaded time gone. I hope that all who left will continue to grow in their faith.....I pray God help us all to recognize he is holy, but his Son bore all our sin and we can call him Father even when we fail.

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