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quote:Originally posted by WH:
thug
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Thanks, TW. Now I wish I hadn't edited my post. Yes, I am new around here but it didn't take long for me to see the ways things are. I see your post is gone.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I call bull on that definition as being the way in which the word was used. You and I both know what the word "thug" means around here. It means just about anybody who isn't white.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:quote:Originally posted by WH:
thug
I resent the living h&!! out of that comment. The word is CHILD. You know nothing of the victim or the shooter. No child, regardless of his color, financial status, or social upbringing deserves to be called that. I don't know whether you were referring to the victim or the shooter and it doesn't really matter.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".
Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?
BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.
quote:Originally posted by Mrs. Carl Brutananadilewski:
I have never in my life heard that the word "thug" is a synonym for a non-white person. Never. I use the word as defined by Merriam Webster, and will continue to. I won't feel guilty for it, either.
quote:quote:
Originally posted by WH:
quote:
Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".
Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?
BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.
Oh, really, WH? You, instead of expressing ANY concern for this tragic situation chose to post a one word response. "THUG". What exactly does that say about YOU??? Mrs. Carl, I didn't say you shouldn't ever use the word or be ashamed for using it, but try to see my point about the way it was obviously used by WH. If you can't, then you are just like everybody else around here. 75 years behind the rest of the country with your head in the sand. Also, don't try to say you haven't heard young black men be generally referred to as thugs around here simply because they're young and black or I will call crap on that, too. Sorry. I call 'em as I sees 'em.
quote:My point is, WE ARE THE ONES FAILING THESE CHILDREN. As a society.
quote:What is wrong with us, as parents, that we cannot teach our children how precious life is and how to problem solve. Why do we, as parents, let our children associate with people we don't know, give them all cellphones, cut them loose and trust them to be responsible when they are too young to even know how to hold down a job or balance a checkbook?
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
WE ARE THE ONES FAILING THESE CHILDREN. As a society.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Don't you get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids.
quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Don't you get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids.
i get it. i don't think those people in madison got up this morning and sent that kid to school and said "now, when you see him, shoot him in the back of the head."
nor do i think the other kid's parents sent him to school and said "don't pay any attention to that kid threatening to kill you. he is just suffering from hormones/ bad hair day."
every person here is thinking "this would NEVER happen at (your school here). "
that is what these parents thought this morning!
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Don't you get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids.
i get it. i don't think those people in madison got up this morning and sent that kid to school and said "now, when you see him, shoot him in the back of the head."
nor do i think the other kid's parents sent him to school and said "don't pay any attention to that kid threatening to kill you. he is just suffering from hormones/ bad hair day."
every person here is thinking "this would NEVER happen at (your school here). "
that is what these parents thought this morning!
You've done a lot for my heart with your post. I just wanted you to know that. Thank you. If I can get through to just one person and you can get through to just one person, it will be worth wallowing through this slop trough of sanctimony.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I said "If I can". Oogway obviously could already see the forest for the trees, I get no credit for that! Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH.
quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.
you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH.
I think a person should raise their children in a responsible manner. Is that the kind of thinking you don't agree with? It must be as that is what i have stated.
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.
you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!
Care to give an example?
quote:And by the way, the child has died. I just saw his beautiful face on the tv. And he wasn't Indian. He was black. And he had the angelic smile of any other 14 year old boy in the world. He looked like a great kid.
And just what is it that you consider responsible? Do you teach them tolerance, or to judge others? Do you teach them that diversity is a good thing, or that people who are not like them are inferior? Do they respect other cultures, religions, points of view, sexual preferences, etc? Or do they go to the good church on Sundays, pretend to be good Christians, and gossip and put others down the minute they get out those double doors? Because that's what I see here so much in this area. Intolerance and hypocrisy.
quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.
you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!
Care to give an example?
do you live here? (in the Laud/Colbert/Franklin area.)
The boy who shot him may not look like a thug, but he is! He is a murderer, just like the dictionary calls it! I have one question....if you are sooo unhappy here with all of us 'narrow-minded' people, why are you here?quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH.
I think a person should raise their children in a responsible manner. Is that the kind of thinking you don't agree with? It must be as that is what i have stated.
And just what is it that you consider responsible? Do you teach them tolerance, or to judge others? Do you teach them that diversity is a good thing, or that people who are not like them are inferior? Do they respect other cultures, religions, points of view, sexual preferences, etc? Or do they go to the good church on Sundays, pretend to be good Christians, and gossip and put others down the minute they get out those double doors? Because that's what I see here so much in this area. Intolerance and hypocrisy. Not at all what Jesus taught.
And by the way, the child has died. I just saw his beautiful face on the tv. He had the wide open angelic smile of any other 14 year old boy in the world. He looked like a great kid. Not at all like a thug. I'm willing to bet the kid who shot him doesn't either.
quote:Originally posted by gypsyc:The boy who shot him may not look like a thug, but he is! He is a murderer, just like the dictionary calls it! I have one question....if you are sooo unhappy here with all of us 'narrow-minded' people, why are you here?quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH.
I think a person should raise their children in a responsible manner. Is that the kind of thinking you don't agree with? It must be as that is what i have stated.
And just what is it that you consider responsible? Do you teach them tolerance, or to judge others? Do you teach them that diversity is a good thing, or that people who are not like them are inferior? Do they respect other cultures, religions, points of view, sexual preferences, etc? Or do they go to the good church on Sundays, pretend to be good Christians, and gossip and put others down the minute they get out those double doors? Because that's what I see here so much in this area. Intolerance and hypocrisy. Not at all what Jesus taught.
And by the way, the child has died. I just saw his beautiful face on the tv. He had the wide open angelic smile of any other 14 year old boy in the world. He looked like a great kid. Not at all like a thug. I'm willing to bet the kid who shot him doesn't either.
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by Oogway:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.
you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!
Care to give an example?
do you live here? (in the Laud/Colbert/Franklin area.)
Yes I live here. I have also lived in Chicago Il., Memphis Tn. and Columbus Ga. I think this area is by far a better area than any other I have lived in. What is your point?
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".
Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?
BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.
Oh, really, WH? You, instead of expressing ANY concern for this tragic situation chose to post a one word response. "THUG". What exactly does that say about YOU??? Mrs. Carl, I didn't say you shouldn't ever use the word or be ashamed for using it, but try to see my point about the way it was obviously used by WH. If you can't, then you are just like everybody else around here. 75 years behind the rest of the country with your head in the sand. Also, don't try to say you haven't heard young black men be generally referred to as thugs around here simply because they're young and black or I will call crap on that, too. Sorry. I call 'em as I sees 'em.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
The truth is that the only person responsible and the only person who will be held responsible is the shooter. By the time you are in middle school, you know murder is a crime. It's an incredibly sad situation and I pray they ALL find comfort and peace in the days to come.
quote:The truth is that the only person responsible and the only person who will be held responsible is the shooter. By the time you are in middle school, you know murder is a crime. It's an incredibly sad situation and I pray they ALL find comfort and peace in the days to come.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
WH, I'm sorry. I don't understand why you asked me that question. Did you mean to quote someone else?
quote:Originally posted by Freida:
I heard that the school was not protected with metal detectors.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I said "If I can". Oogway obviously could already see the forest for the trees, I get no credit for that! Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?
quote:Originally posted by HomesickGirl:quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I said "If I can". Oogway obviously could already see the forest for the trees, I get no credit for that! Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?
There it is. Sometimes it's best to just let someone talk until they say what they REALLY mean.
quote:You are absolutely right. I meant everything I said. How classically twisted and narrow-minded to quote just one of my statements, and the one that has the least to do with the topic. Please don't reduce the loss of a young life to something as trivial as what I think about some of you. You know what I was saying in several other posts here and for you to try to sum it all like that is unconscionable and disrespectful, not to me ( I don't care about that) but to the people who are suffering. I know I said I wasn't going to post about this again, but I don't want any late readers to miss everything else I said that you didn't bother quoting. How selfish you
quote:Originally posted by Freida:
I heard that the school was not protected with metal detectors.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Absolutely, forumaddict2, and thank you for being big enough to apologize.
Prayers for all those affected by this tragedy.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?
It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.
They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?
It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.
They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?
quote:I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.
quote:Originally posted by forumaddict2:
I'm not biting, WH.
quote:quote:
I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.
Let me guess. You are either homosexual or in a biracial relationship. I suspect the latter.