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and i am sure your right. but that definition is the true definition of a thug, so if this kid dies then the shooter will technically be a "thug". thats the only point i was making. but i totally agree that the original name calling of thug was most likely someone just assuming that this was two black kids and most likely he was a "wanna be gangsta" or something. i'm with you on that.
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I call bull on that definition as being the way in which the word was used. You and I both know what the word "thug" means around here. It means just about anybody who isn't white.


Call it what you will, but in the end it is what it is. The shooter was a THUG!

So, if a white person says the word thug they are racist? I think the racist person is very evident here and it isn't me. The shooter was Indian BTW.
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I resent the living h&!! out of that comment. The word is CHILD. You know nothing of the victim or the shooter. No child, regardless of his color, financial status, or social upbringing deserves to be called that. I don't know whether you were referring to the victim or the shooter and it doesn't really matter.



Some things hit home don't they? Shall we just call him a murderer? Does that pacify you?

The day people like you quit trying to nullify thug actions by calling it something else is the day you will start understanding how civilized people act.


You say that I know nothing of the shooter or victim? How did you arrive at that?
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Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".


Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?


BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.
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Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".


Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?


BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.


Oh, really, WH? You, instead of expressing ANY concern for this tragic situation chose to post a one word response. "THUG". What exactly does that say about YOU??? Mrs. Carl, I didn't say you shouldn't ever use the word or be ashamed for using it, but try to see my point about the way it was obviously used by WH. If you can't, then you are just like everybody else around here. 75 years behind the rest of the country with your head in the sand. Also, don't try to say you haven't heard young black men be generally referred to as thugs around here simply because they're young and black or I will call crap on that, too. Sorry. I call 'em as I sees 'em.
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Originally posted by Mrs. Carl Brutananadilewski:
I have never in my life heard that the word "thug" is a synonym for a non-white person. Never. I use the word as defined by Merriam Webster, and will continue to. I won't feel guilty for it, either.


Me either Mrs. B....a thug, is a thug, is a thug. I don't see how, in any way race comes into play here.
Well, I say, "He is a thug"! He made that statement with his own actions! And, if the reports are true, he is a coward as well!! He shot that child in the BACK of the head!! I don't care what color he is!! He is a cowardly thug! I pray that this child survives and I pray this shooter is not slapped on the wrist! Until they are treated the way they behave, nobody is safe!! This is not a racial issue. This is an issue of adults taking charge of children who want to play like the thug mentality that has been their example( be it family, tv, or street people)!!
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Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".


Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?


BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.


Oh, really, WH? You, instead of expressing ANY concern for this tragic situation chose to post a one word response. "THUG". What exactly does that say about YOU??? Mrs. Carl, I didn't say you shouldn't ever use the word or be ashamed for using it, but try to see my point about the way it was obviously used by WH. If you can't, then you are just like everybody else around here. 75 years behind the rest of the country with your head in the sand. Also, don't try to say you haven't heard young black men be generally referred to as thugs around here simply because they're young and black or I will call crap on that, too. Sorry. I call 'em as I sees 'em.


Whoa! Has "don't start no...won't be no" re-appeared?
Or, just someone that's had too much coffee?
Since when do persons of African-American ehtnicity have a monopoly on the word "thug"?

There are plenty of thugs of caucasian derivation, including thse thugs, expressly identified as "white union thugs."

http://www.examiner.com/x-3747...macare-protest-rally

"Thug" is a racist term only in the minds of extremely provincial people. If that word (provincial) throws you, it means, more simply stated, "folks who don't get out much or pay much attention."
Look, I agree that we are losing sight of the issue here. It's tragic that some 14 year old child, at this young an age and for whatever reason, will never be able to live a normal life again because he was shot in the head by another child. It's tragic that another 14 year old child thought anything in this world was important enough to try to take another childs life. These are CHILDREN. Children who haven't even completed puberty, most likely. What is wrong with us, as parents, that we cannot teach our children how precious life is and how to problem solve. Why do we, as parents, let our children associate with people we don't know, give them all cellphones, cut them loose and trust them to be responsible when they are too young to even know how to hold down a job or balance a checkbook? Call them thugs if you want to, but this could have been one of our children who was shot for something as simple as an angry ex boyfriend of a current girlfriend. My point is, WE ARE THE ONES FAILING THESE CHILDREN. As a society. It could have been my child or your child. Or your neighbor. These things transcend race. This is a universal issue and we need to pay attention.
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My point is, WE ARE THE ONES FAILING THESE CHILDREN. As a society.




You just don't get it do you? Society didn't fail this kid. Just how do you think society caused him to act like this?


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What is wrong with us, as parents, that we cannot teach our children how precious life is and how to problem solve. Why do we, as parents, let our children associate with people we don't know, give them all cellphones, cut them loose and trust them to be responsible when they are too young to even know how to hold down a job or balance a checkbook?


Whoa there! I didn't raise my two children like this. I taught them right from wrong. I didn't expect society or anyone else to do it.


This "child" you keep referring to will most likely be tried as an adult.
Don't you all get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids. And for the record, I hope he WILL be tried as an adult. He deserves to be. He made a very bad choice.
If it were society, then hundreds of thousands of fifteen year olds(as well as countless others) would be in the court systems. Thankfully, most of our kids are decent, law abiding citizens. This particular kid made some really bad choices. We did not make them for him. If so, he would be sitting at home tonite, and there would not be a fourteen year old fighting for his life.
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Don't you get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids.


i get it. i don't think those people in madison got up this morning and sent that kid to school and said "now, when you see him, shoot him in the back of the head."
nor do i think the other kid's parents sent him to school and said "don't pay any attention to that kid threatening to kill you. he is just suffering from hormones/ bad hair day."

every person here is thinking "this would NEVER happen at (your school here). "

that is what these parents thought this morning!
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Don't you get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids.


i get it. i don't think those people in madison got up this morning and sent that kid to school and said "now, when you see him, shoot him in the back of the head."
nor do i think the other kid's parents sent him to school and said "don't pay any attention to that kid threatening to kill you. he is just suffering from hormones/ bad hair day."

every person here is thinking "this would NEVER happen at (your school here). "

that is what these parents thought this morning!


You've done a lot for my heart with your post. I just wanted you to know that. Thank you. If I can get through to just one person and you can get through to just one person, it will be worth wallowing through this slop trough of sanctimony.
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Don't you get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids.


i get it. i don't think those people in madison got up this morning and sent that kid to school and said "now, when you see him, shoot him in the back of the head."
nor do i think the other kid's parents sent him to school and said "don't pay any attention to that kid threatening to kill you. he is just suffering from hormones/ bad hair day."

every person here is thinking "this would NEVER happen at (your school here). "

that is what these parents thought this morning!


You've done a lot for my heart with your post. I just wanted you to know that. Thank you. If I can get through to just one person and you can get through to just one person, it will be worth wallowing through this slop trough of sanctimony.



What exactly did you "get through" to anyone?
I said "If I can". Oogway obviously could already see the forest for the trees, I get no credit for that! Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?
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I said "If I can". Oogway obviously could already see the forest for the trees, I get no credit for that! Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?



Now you want to insult everyone in North Al ?

Surly its not that thug mentality rearing its ugly head is it?
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.


you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.


you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!


Care to give an example?
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH.


I think a person should raise their children in a responsible manner. Is that the kind of thinking you don't agree with? It must be as that is what i have stated.



And just what is it that you consider responsible? Do you teach them tolerance, or to judge others? Do you teach them that diversity is a good thing, or that people who are not like them are inferior? Do they respect other cultures, religions, points of view, sexual preferences, etc? Or do they go to the good church on Sundays, pretend to be good Christians, and gossip and put others down the minute they get out those double doors? Because that's what I see here so much in this area. Intolerance and hypocrisy. Not at all what Jesus taught.

And by the way, the child has died. I just saw his beautiful face on the tv. He had the wide open angelic smile of any other 14 year old boy in the world. He looked like a great kid. Not at all like a thug. I'm willing to bet the kid who shot him doesn't either.
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.


you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!


Care to give an example?


do you live here? (in the Laud/Colbert/Franklin area.)
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And by the way, the child has died. I just saw his beautiful face on the tv. And he wasn't Indian. He was black. And he had the angelic smile of any other 14 year old boy in the world. He looked like a great kid.

And just what is it that you consider responsible? Do you teach them tolerance, or to judge others? Do you teach them that diversity is a good thing, or that people who are not like them are inferior? Do they respect other cultures, religions, points of view, sexual preferences, etc? Or do they go to the good church on Sundays, pretend to be good Christians, and gossip and put others down the minute they get out those double doors? Because that's what I see here so much in this area. Intolerance and hypocrisy.



I never said what the 'victim' was.

I will treat the rest of your post as it is...bigoted prejudice.
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.


you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!


Care to give an example?


do you live here? (in the Laud/Colbert/Franklin area.)


Yes I live here. I have also lived in Chicago Il., Memphis Tn. and Columbus Ga. I think this area is by far a better area than any other I have lived in. What is your point?
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH.


I think a person should raise their children in a responsible manner. Is that the kind of thinking you don't agree with? It must be as that is what i have stated.



And just what is it that you consider responsible? Do you teach them tolerance, or to judge others? Do you teach them that diversity is a good thing, or that people who are not like them are inferior? Do they respect other cultures, religions, points of view, sexual preferences, etc? Or do they go to the good church on Sundays, pretend to be good Christians, and gossip and put others down the minute they get out those double doors? Because that's what I see here so much in this area. Intolerance and hypocrisy. Not at all what Jesus taught.

And by the way, the child has died. I just saw his beautiful face on the tv. He had the wide open angelic smile of any other 14 year old boy in the world. He looked like a great kid. Not at all like a thug. I'm willing to bet the kid who shot him doesn't either.
The boy who shot him may not look like a thug, but he is! He is a murderer, just like the dictionary calls it! I have one question....if you are sooo unhappy here with all of us 'narrow-minded' people, why are you here?
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH.


I think a person should raise their children in a responsible manner. Is that the kind of thinking you don't agree with? It must be as that is what i have stated.



And just what is it that you consider responsible? Do you teach them tolerance, or to judge others? Do you teach them that diversity is a good thing, or that people who are not like them are inferior? Do they respect other cultures, religions, points of view, sexual preferences, etc? Or do they go to the good church on Sundays, pretend to be good Christians, and gossip and put others down the minute they get out those double doors? Because that's what I see here so much in this area. Intolerance and hypocrisy. Not at all what Jesus taught.

And by the way, the child has died. I just saw his beautiful face on the tv. He had the wide open angelic smile of any other 14 year old boy in the world. He looked like a great kid. Not at all like a thug. I'm willing to bet the kid who shot him doesn't either.
The boy who shot him may not look like a thug, but he is! He is a murderer, just like the dictionary calls it! I have one question....if you are sooo unhappy here with all of us 'narrow-minded' people, why are you here?


Frankly, that is none of your business. Trust me, I won't be here a moment longer than I have to be.
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No, just that cross-section of narrow minded people who think like you do, WH. It wasn't meant as an insult anyway. Just an observation as I see it from the point of view as an outsider.


you'll learn to hide if you live here.
"free thinking" is frowned upon!


Care to give an example?


do you live here? (in the Laud/Colbert/Franklin area.)


Yes I live here. I have also lived in Chicago Il., Memphis Tn. and Columbus Ga. I think this area is by far a better area than any other I have lived in. What is your point?


But I'd be willing to bet you were raised here. You wouldn't be so closed minded if you were originally from anywhere else.
Ok, are we supposed to be tolerate of this murderer? Is that what we should be teaching our children. We should not 'blame' him for his actions, we should blame society? Frankly, my children have more sense than that!! I teach my children that they are responsible for their own actions!! As far as judging...I think it is pretty clear that this 'child' THUG, shot this child, he will be judged!! I just pray that he is not slapped on the wrist because someone else is responsible for him not having enough sense to live in a civilized society.
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Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".


Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?


BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.


Oh, really, WH? You, instead of expressing ANY concern for this tragic situation chose to post a one word response. "THUG". What exactly does that say about YOU??? Mrs. Carl, I didn't say you shouldn't ever use the word or be ashamed for using it, but try to see my point about the way it was obviously used by WH. If you can't, then you are just like everybody else around here. 75 years behind the rest of the country with your head in the sand. Also, don't try to say you haven't heard young black men be generally referred to as thugs around here simply because they're young and black or I will call crap on that, too. Sorry. I call 'em as I sees 'em.


Your comment is the first I've ever heard of "thug" being a term for a young black man. I use the term now and then to refer to black, white, and hispanic people both young and old when the term is appropriate. The shooter is a thug, I hope he's tried as an adult and soon has a needle in his arm instead of going through the bleeding heart juvenile system where the defendant is never to blame.
You are the one who brought race to the table on this thread and if you think “everyone around here” is so backward and “75 years behind the rest of the country” why instead of complaining and trying to find excuses to start crap don’t you just leave? Race is not an issue on anything with very many people at all, you’re just looking for problems.
My prayers are with the victim and his family and also with the family of the little thug that caused this.
what about the "video", made by the kid that got shot. it ridicules the other kid. yea, i see where someone being ridiculed is a "thug". makes perfect sense to me.

maybe the "thug" was bullied so badly, he thought this was his only recourse. i'm not standing up for either one. i'm saying "if mom and dad had an open line of communication with him, maybe this could have been avoided."
One child is dead and another might as well be and all these people can do is point the finger and call names. Out of respect for the families and yes, the other child, I will no longer be part of this discussion after this last post. I will say this...it's easy to find the shooter on MySpace if you know his name, which I do and NO, I won't share. Even though the pages are private, you get a good idea of his state of mind. I was in that chat room last night too and there was a whole lot going on between the two kids. Too bad it went this far. The youtube video was taken down out of respect for those involved.
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It is very sad that this young boy died. But I do feel that the shooter should be held responsible and not get his hand slapped through our current system. He knew what he was going to do when he brought the gun with him to school. We can all sit here and blame the parents, the school, the maker of the gun and the lack of metal detectors in the school but it still comes down to the boy's decision to fire the gun.
Exactly, HARLEY. This happens any time something bad happens. People look for someone to blame. It's natural. I do the same.

The truth is that the only person responsible and the only person who will be held responsible is the shooter. By the time you are in middle school, you know murder is a crime. It's an incredibly sad situation and I pray they ALL find comfort and peace in the days to come.
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The truth is that the only person responsible and the only person who will be held responsible is the shooter. By the time you are in middle school, you know murder is a crime. It's an incredibly sad situation and I pray they ALL find comfort and peace in the days to come.

Well said, Joy. So sad for both families involved.
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The truth is that the only person responsible and the only person who will be held responsible is the shooter. By the time you are in middle school, you know murder is a crime. It's an incredibly sad situation and I pray they ALL find comfort and peace in the days to come.



Who else do you feel should be held responsible?
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I said "If I can". Oogway obviously could already see the forest for the trees, I get no credit for that! Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?


There it is. Sometimes it's best to just let someone talk until they say what they REALLY mean.
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I said "If I can". Oogway obviously could already see the forest for the trees, I get no credit for that! Believe me, you North Alabama people are not the only people in the world, contrary to what you may believe. Most of you people were born here, will die here, and will never know life away from here at all. Nobody is going to change your narrow minded views about anything and I realize that. You people re-elected Bob Riley, after all. Now, do you have anything constructive to say?


There it is. Sometimes it's best to just let someone talk until they say what they REALLY mean.


You are absolutely right. I meant everything I said. How classically twisted and narrow-minded to quote just one of my statements, and the one that has the least to do with the topic. Please don't reduce the loss of a young life to something as trivial as what I think about some of you. You know what I was saying in several other posts here and for you to try to sum it all like that is unconscionable and disrespectful, not to me ( I don't care about that) but to the people who are suffering. I know I said I wasn't going to post about this again, but I don't want any late readers to miss everything else I said that you didn't bother quoting. How selfish you are.
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My my my Forumaddict2 what a twisted and bitter person you must be, if you hate Al. that much then by all means run far far away.I grew up here and then moved to Fl. for 18 yrs.After witnessing the crime,fast paced life and expense of living there I am sooo happy to be back in my home state.

As for the shooting at this school, none of us have all the details. As horrific as that shooting was my God invokes forgiveness for all those you ask and readily recieve Jesus as their Savior.Did God not forgive Saul,did Jesus not ask the Father to forgive those who crucified him,did Stephen not ask God to forgive those who stoned him to death?

And let's not forget, "Judge not lest ye be judged."
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You are absolutely right. I meant everything I said. How classically twisted and narrow-minded to quote just one of my statements, and the one that has the least to do with the topic. Please don't reduce the loss of a young life to something as trivial as what I think about some of you. You know what I was saying in several other posts here and for you to try to sum it all like that is unconscionable and disrespectful, not to me ( I don't care about that) but to the people who are suffering. I know I said I wasn't going to post about this again, but I don't want any late readers to miss everything else I said that you didn't bother quoting. How selfish you


I thought you "went away"?
Obviously NOT!
Let me see if I can put this in terms you good folks can understand... you people are too busy complaining about the one speed bump on a twenty mile stretch of road full of potholes to notice that the potholes are a bigger problem than the speed bump. You focus on everything else except the important issue here, which is not what I think about this area or whether or not I post after I said I wouldn't. You all need to focus on this tragedy, the families of the victim and the assailant, and what could have been done and what can be done to prevent this from happening to anyone else.
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emotions are high. this is a time for peace.
i understand all points in this argument.

i feel both of you are right.
some parents do raise their children well, some don't. it's been that way since the dawn of time.

a 14 year old should be responsible for their own actions.

parents, please talk to your kids. talk about how their day went, drugs, dating, bullies.....
just talk. talking may not solve the problem, but it may get the problem known.

kids, sometimes it's o.k. to take an azz whippin'. at least you get up in the morning.
in my day, we took our azz whippin's and went down the road. now, we're productive members of society. maybe corporal punishment wasn't so bad after all.
Well, since this is going to keep coming up on this thread whether I respond or not, I'll go ahead and respond as well.

forumaddict2, narrow-mindedness and ignorance is not exclusive to the South. Some of the biggest bigots I've ever encountered were not born or raised in the South. It's a shame you will miss the South's best attributes (there are MANY) because, to borrow the phrase you used earlier, you cannot see the forest for the trees. Wink

Please allow me remind you that it was you who steered us away from the topic of this thread, when you jumped on WH for using the word "thug", accusing him of meaning it as a racial slur, as if there is anyway you could know his intent. That was totally out of left field & nobody here has ever heard it used as you suggest. Furthermore & most importantly, we didn't even know the race of either child when he made that statement.

Then you continued to steer us away from the topic of the thread by insulting the South. You don't just owe anyone associated with this tragedy an apology. You owe WH, this forum and the entire South an apology. The rest of these folks were responding to 'your' insults and 'your' accusations.

I don't want you to leave or anything, but that's the truth of the matter. Smiler
Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?

It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.

They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?
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Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?

It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.

They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?



That's just the problem. There are not any distinguishing circumstances. As stated in a earlier post about it being mostly middle class kids. That is wrong.

I hate for my children to have to coexist with these thugs. By trying to do things the right way, they are at a disadvantage.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Has there been any conclusive in-depth studies on this subject, on root causes, where it begins? Anyone here aware of any?

It seems to me that the earlier we can reach kids with the truth, the better. By the time they are teenagers, I assume they've already decided if violence is acceptable or not.

They are exposed to violence in games, media, sadly many times at home, in their peer groups. If you can't stop that aspect, how do you counter it with something positive, teaching them better alternatives and learning self control, in a way they won't scoff/laugh at but accept as true?


I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.
I forgot to mention that our kids are so much more technically advantaged than most of us middle aged parents. They have their ipods which makes it hard for us to know what they're listening to, Myspace and Facebook to communicate with their peers in which we are not allowed to participate lest we be called spies, texting so we don't even know when they are communicating with someone else. Somehow todays youth just crept away while our heads were turned and I really don't know how, besides some sort of parental uprising, to get them back. I worry about the future of all people at the rate we're going. We've lost many of our parental rights to our government. We fear retribution if we discipline our children. We can't even go into the doctors exam room with them if they're over a certain age. We can't get medical test results if they're over 16 or 17. We have no say in what they do and yet we're legally responsible for them until they're 18 or 21, depending on the state we're in. How did this all get so out of hand?
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I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.




Let me guess. You are either homosexual or in a biracial relationship. I suspect the latter.
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I think teaching tolerance of others of appreciation of diversity is a great way to start. We need to embrace difference. Also, one big difference in our generation and theirs is that the young people today are more detached from emotion because they're somewhat desensitized through television, music, video games, etc. The language, sexuality and violence doesn't raise an eyebrow in many adults, much less these teenagers because for them, what they see/hear the most of is the norm.



Let me guess. You are either homosexual or in a biracial relationship. I suspect the latter.


Whoah! What a "deekweed" reply to make. Deekweed!

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