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Originally posted by WH:
thug


I resent the living h&!! out of that comment. The word is CHILD. You know nothing of the victim or the shooter. No child, regardless of his color, financial status, or social upbringing deserves to be called that. I don't know whether you were referring to the victim or the shooter and it doesn't really matter.
and i am sure your right. but that definition is the true definition of a thug, so if this kid dies then the shooter will technically be a "thug". thats the only point i was making. but i totally agree that the original name calling of thug was most likely someone just assuming that this was two black kids and most likely he was a "wanna be gangsta" or something. i'm with you on that.
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Thanks, TW. Now I wish I hadn't edited my post. Yes, I am new around here but it didn't take long for me to see the ways things are. I see your post is gone.


i always second guess my self after posting, not wanting to offend others and what not. but what i posted is pretty much how it goes.
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I call bull on that definition as being the way in which the word was used. You and I both know what the word "thug" means around here. It means just about anybody who isn't white.


Call it what you will, but in the end it is what it is. The shooter was a THUG!

So, if a white person says the word thug they are racist? I think the racist person is very evident here and it isn't me. The shooter was Indian BTW.
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
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Originally posted by WH:
thug


I resent the living h&!! out of that comment. The word is CHILD. You know nothing of the victim or the shooter. No child, regardless of his color, financial status, or social upbringing deserves to be called that. I don't know whether you were referring to the victim or the shooter and it doesn't really matter.



Some things hit home don't they? Shall we just call him a murderer? Does that pacify you?

The day people like you quit trying to nullify thug actions by calling it something else is the day you will start understanding how civilized people act.


You say that I know nothing of the shooter or victim? How did you arrive at that?
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Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".


Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?


BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.
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Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".


Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?


BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.


Oh, really, WH? You, instead of expressing ANY concern for this tragic situation chose to post a one word response. "THUG". What exactly does that say about YOU??? Mrs. Carl, I didn't say you shouldn't ever use the word or be ashamed for using it, but try to see my point about the way it was obviously used by WH. If you can't, then you are just like everybody else around here. 75 years behind the rest of the country with your head in the sand. Also, don't try to say you haven't heard young black men be generally referred to as thugs around here simply because they're young and black or I will call crap on that, too. Sorry. I call 'em as I sees 'em.
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Originally posted by Mrs. Carl Brutananadilewski:
I have never in my life heard that the word "thug" is a synonym for a non-white person. Never. I use the word as defined by Merriam Webster, and will continue to. I won't feel guilty for it, either.


Me either Mrs. B....a thug, is a thug, is a thug. I don't see how, in any way race comes into play here.
Lets don't get off subject here folks. We should be thinking about the victim and his family, all the students at the school AND the shooters family. This is a tragedy and we should not be labeling anyone at this point. Lets just pray that the victim pulls through.
Well, I say, "He is a thug"! He made that statement with his own actions! And, if the reports are true, he is a coward as well!! He shot that child in the BACK of the head!! I don't care what color he is!! He is a cowardly thug! I pray that this child survives and I pray this shooter is not slapped on the wrist! Until they are treated the way they behave, nobody is safe!! This is not a racial issue. This is an issue of adults taking charge of children who want to play like the thug mentality that has been their example( be it family, tv, or street people)!!
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
Yes, YOU are a redneck racist and nothing you can say makes any difference, WH. I just wonder if you've ever called a white child a thug. Something tells me "no".


Exactly where does a persons race come into play here?


BTW, the name calling says a lot about you.


Oh, really, WH? You, instead of expressing ANY concern for this tragic situation chose to post a one word response. "THUG". What exactly does that say about YOU??? Mrs. Carl, I didn't say you shouldn't ever use the word or be ashamed for using it, but try to see my point about the way it was obviously used by WH. If you can't, then you are just like everybody else around here. 75 years behind the rest of the country with your head in the sand. Also, don't try to say you haven't heard young black men be generally referred to as thugs around here simply because they're young and black or I will call crap on that, too. Sorry. I call 'em as I sees 'em.


Whoa! Has "don't start no...won't be no" re-appeared?
Or, just someone that's had too much coffee?
Since when do persons of African-American ehtnicity have a monopoly on the word "thug"?

There are plenty of thugs of caucasian derivation, including thse thugs, expressly identified as "white union thugs."

http://www.examiner.com/x-3747...macare-protest-rally

"Thug" is a racist term only in the minds of extremely provincial people. If that word (provincial) throws you, it means, more simply stated, "folks who don't get out much or pay much attention."
Look, I agree that we are losing sight of the issue here. It's tragic that some 14 year old child, at this young an age and for whatever reason, will never be able to live a normal life again because he was shot in the head by another child. It's tragic that another 14 year old child thought anything in this world was important enough to try to take another childs life. These are CHILDREN. Children who haven't even completed puberty, most likely. What is wrong with us, as parents, that we cannot teach our children how precious life is and how to problem solve. Why do we, as parents, let our children associate with people we don't know, give them all cellphones, cut them loose and trust them to be responsible when they are too young to even know how to hold down a job or balance a checkbook? Call them thugs if you want to, but this could have been one of our children who was shot for something as simple as an angry ex boyfriend of a current girlfriend. My point is, WE ARE THE ONES FAILING THESE CHILDREN. As a society. It could have been my child or your child. Or your neighbor. These things transcend race. This is a universal issue and we need to pay attention.
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My point is, WE ARE THE ONES FAILING THESE CHILDREN. As a society.




You just don't get it do you? Society didn't fail this kid. Just how do you think society caused him to act like this?


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What is wrong with us, as parents, that we cannot teach our children how precious life is and how to problem solve. Why do we, as parents, let our children associate with people we don't know, give them all cellphones, cut them loose and trust them to be responsible when they are too young to even know how to hold down a job or balance a checkbook?


Whoa there! I didn't raise my two children like this. I taught them right from wrong. I didn't expect society or anyone else to do it.


This "child" you keep referring to will most likely be tried as an adult.
Don't you all get it? If you, who are so sure that your kids are fine, and I, who am so sure my kids are fine, and everybody else who think their kids are just fine, try to generalize these incidents by assuming they only happen to other people and deny that something like this would never happen to their kids, don't make SURE, by open communication, by knowing what is going on with their kids lives, who their friends are, and make sure their kids are never afraid to come to them about everything, you never know. We don't know what happened. It could have been a morning of bad judgement and a surge of testosterone. Or yes, it could have been over gang stuff, drug stuff, whatever. But typically these kids come from normal middle class families anyway. I am just saying that the ones who never think this might happen to them sometimes don't bother following thrugh to make sure it doesn't. We all need to be aware. And not just of our own kids. Of all kids. And for the record, I hope he WILL be tried as an adult. He deserves to be. He made a very bad choice.
If it were society, then hundreds of thousands of fifteen year olds(as well as countless others) would be in the court systems. Thankfully, most of our kids are decent, law abiding citizens. This particular kid made some really bad choices. We did not make them for him. If so, he would be sitting at home tonite, and there would not be a fourteen year old fighting for his life.

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