Brenda Hawkins Absolved

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Originally posted by sonyastandridge:
Did you read Mandas? I dont care to debate a subject but some one flat out attacks me is what I dont understand .

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Originally posted by sonyastandridge:I was not attacking anyone I was just respondind to this forum and it got all out of hand. Now I am not trying to hurt anyones feelings, I just wanted to voice my opinion.

I didn't flat out attack you. Come on now.

What exactly would my motivation be? I don't know you. I don't know the lady this thread is about. I /have/ been lurking it though- but that's beside the point. I have no motive to "Flat out attack" anyone. You really should calm down, and re-read everything- while you remember the original comments (that you altered) as well. Then perhaps you will see that no one but you were being instigative.

You called Dixie a Smart Alec, but before so said you weren't ever mean or smart alec to anyone else.

You Attacked her (if anyone was "attacking" anyone)

I merely pointed out to you that /You/ were the one being on the rude side. *sigh*

Anyway, just had to say that.

*edit to include other quote*

~Amanda

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sonyastandridge
Small Talker

Posted 26 December 2007 11:37 PM Hide Post
Did you read Mandas? I dont care to debate a subject but some one flat out attacks me is what I dont understand.
Posts: 80 | Location: Adamsville Tennessee | Registered: 08 December 2007


post by sonyastandridge posted 26 December 2007 11:37 PM Show Post

sonyastandridge
Small Talker

Posted 26 December 2007 11:37 PM Hide Post
Did you read Mandas? I dont care to debate a subject but some one flat out attacks me is what I dont understand .
Posts: 80 | Location: Adamsville Tennessee | Registered: 08 December 2007

Guess I'm seeing double.
I did see Manda's but I still don't think she was trying to be ugly to you. You apologized (kind of) and said you were tired of it. I was just trying to give you some options. But with your above comment that you posted twice (probably by accident I know) I feel you are still harboring bad or hurt feelings. I still stand behind my suggestion to you: don't read or don't respond. Just let it go. Yes, you are entitled so don't think I'm trying to tell you what to do......just know you can't determine the outcome if you continue. I do hope you have a nice night.

I am calmed down and yes my feelings was hurt when Mandy kept attacking me I have read it several times I know what was going on. But this is a dead subject to me.

Oh and yes it posted twice by accident. Thank you for not thinking I was erasing it to hide something.

am calmed down and yes my feelings was hurt when Mandy

soryy I meant Manda

I cant even type no more I misspelled sorry

Good night everyone

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Originally posted by sonyastandridge:
I am calmed down and yes my feelings was hurt when Mandy kept attacking me I have read it several times I know what was going on. But this is a dead subject to me.

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Originally posted by sonyastandridge:
Oh and yes it posted twice by accident. Thank you for not thinking I was erasing it to hide something.

Last time. I wasn't attacking you. I was responding to what you were writing.

I saw the double post, I didn't assume that you were hiding anything by that.

I'm sorry that you can't get past that, and I never intended on hurting your feelings.

~Amanda

Maybe if you apologized yourself for what you said

Its all over, I am not worriied about it goodnight

sonyastandridge, if you are going to be part of this forum, you have to learn to take the bad along with the good.
Not everyone is going to agree with what we say. I usually post my comments in a quote to what someone said for the reason that there will be no question as to what I'm replying to. If you don't want to be looked upon badly, do not erase your comments.
As for Amanda, she said nothing to put you down in any way. It's your right to take it that way, but I can understand why she might get frustrated with you when you were not getting what she was saying. But she was not rude to you, you just took it that way.
Calm down & stop being so defensive.

Tac, of course she's defensive. This thread is a defense.

I've not bought the defense, I'm waiting for the whole thing to shake out. But I will say this...I think the family believes the woman with all their heart and I certainly hope if ever I am in a position to be arrested that my family stands behind me right or wrong like these guys have.

On the other hand, if she is indeed guilty (and I still have strong suspicions) their loyalty just makes the whole thing sadder.

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Originally posted by sonyastandridge:
I know you are a lot like me, smart donkey to a point, but most the time really really try hard to leave an intelligent well thought out reply- in hopes that it will help.

1.You are the one who called me smart donkey not dixie chik.
2. I said that I knew the man wasnt being mean and I did appoligize incase I did offend him.
3. I just wanted the subject to be over a long time ago because it had nothing to do with the thread, but she kept telling me the same thing over and over like beating a dead horse.
4. I was not mean or disrespectful in any way then this girl Manda had to jump in and start on me to.
5. How much more am I supposed to take?

Hmmmmmmmmm, actually, after reading the replies to this point, I am going to point out the OBVIOUS!!!

Amanda did NOT call you a smart donkey, go back and re-read her comment, she was talking about HERSELF and she was talking TO Dixie Chick. NOT TO YOU.

NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING TO YOU, just chill out and try to fit in.

This post is about BRENDA HAWKINS, not about sonyastandridge.

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Originally posted by DixieChik:
Thanks Amanda, but she can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to me. She knows my opinion of Ms. Hawkins situation and she assumes that I'm on the offense apparently. I'm entitled to my opinion, but my opinions don't mean I dislike her -- I just hope she figures out she could be making more friends on here if she wanted too....guess it just won't be me...oh well, shucks... Thanks for being able to read what I wrote and taking it as it was intended...at least I know I tried...

This is what DC said, then comes Amanda with the comment that sonyastandridge is crucifying her on.

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Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:

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Originally posted by sonyastandridge:
you see I have been nothing but nice and apologized to the guy who she thought I was mean to and she still couldnt stop putting me down. So that is fine think what you want about me. I have not been a smartalec in any way, I have not been mean, I just askd to move on because it was nonsence to talk about that anymore.

To those that might come in later and see the replies, they might believe you. I saw the back and forth before I replied. I know what you said, and Dixie's is still there.

What's happening is, you are perceiving insult where insult is not there. It happens to us all at times. If you go back and re-read what she said to you, and read it without having an angry disposition, then perhaps you would see that Dixie was /really/ /just/ trying to help you, because you wondered why he posted what he did, when /you/ haven't been online.

Before this is taken as an insult my use of / /'s is to emphasize, not yell, or in a mean tone.



~Amanda

Amanda made THIS reply TO Dixie Chick, NOT TO YOU.

The misunderstanding is clearly on your part, sonya. And NO ONE was being mean to you at all.

I am one who took up for Brenda on the other post, but the way you are portraying her family AND then being UGLY TO MY FAMILY, then I am through with it.

Let the chips fall where they may!!!

On the other hand, there's support and then there's:

enabler

Main Entry:
en·abler Listen to the pronunciation of enabler
Pronunciation:
\i-ˈnā-blər, -bəl-ər\
Function:
noun
Date:
1615

: one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior

Sonja...you have just met the TD tag team. Just a bunch of busy bodies with no life. They post here religiously, replying to every single post. The mother daughter team just about takes the cake...LOL can you believe how these people act...can you imagine them in real life?

I do not know Brenda Hawkins , or nothing much of the Freedowm House , From what I understand some of the girls are court ordered to go there or somewhere like Freedom House for Help ,and others ,their family may have placed them there for the much needed help , how many at any one time , I am not sure or for how long a girl would need to stay . I would hope it has helped many , drugs are so addictive I beleave it would be a good story for the Times Daily to look into, as the numbers of success storys each year & how many places as Freedom House . It is so sad that there is a need for such a place, I am sure they are many Homes as this thru out the State . If 1 or 100 come out free from the addiction . it is worth it to them & their familys . A lot of these ladys come from good familys & have children & a great thing if the kids can get their Moms bad well . I would hope the story of Brenda , Guilty or Not & I sure have no ideal , would not hurt the future of Freedom House . Drugs & Drug addiction is costing each Tax payer thousands each year, not counting the OD's & yes some say accidental OD's, & that maybe true in some cases . with the Drug Court , Meth Clinics & places as Freedom House . it just shows our area has the same problem as thru out the whole State & Great USA & some just don't want to ammit it .

I believe that this thread needs to be deleted or renamed. Goodness how things get misconstrued by others and then it just turns into nothing but a cat fight!
"MEOW" hiss hiss.
Hope you all had a good Christmas~ but I still say "TD, Please DELETE this thread".

I agree this thread is about Brenda Hawkins I dont know how it suddenly got about a silly comment that was took way to far. I think that Brenda Hawkins will have her day and this will be old news real soon no matter how it turns out. I have said several times yes we would have to agree to disagree and that is fine with me. Bamafnatk I agree with you 100%.

My husband asked me to take my name off the forum, he does not like seeing my whole name up there so instead of Sonya it is now this. Just to let you know.....

My God how do you change I have changed it logged out and then back in and it still says my full name......How do ya do it????

http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20061025/SW/61016019/1085/SW04

The above link is a story that was in Shoals Woman about Freedom House. You can see it does provide a great service to those need help for addictions.

That is a great link, I had seen this article once before but I think it was last Christmas. I had forgotten about it Thanks...

I was just checking to see if my new username pops up.

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Originally posted by vick13:
But I will say this...I think the family believes the woman with all their heart and I certainly hope if ever I am in a position to be arrested that my family stands behind me right or wrong like these guys have.
On the other hand, if she is indeed guilty (and I still have strong suspicions) their loyalty just makes the whole thing sadder.

I agree, their loyalty is admirable. It will be sad if it turns out she is guilty, but for them, not her because she would have let them down. I would stick by my loved one too, but I wouldn't be so defensive against the advice given me the way this Sonya is..

I will agree that the thread does need to be renamed because absolution is not what actually happened. The case was dismissed temporarily until jurisdiction issues are addressed and by then, I'm sure the evidence will be clear as to whether she is guilty or innocent. The title of the thread implies that she is no guilty and has been exonerated and that is untrue.

Someone earlier in the middle of the confusing rant last night commented about enabling. I think there have been many posts on these threads that clearly point to postures in addiction: victim stance, all or nothing thinking, enabling, justification, denial, and many others.

I hope that those that are affected by addiction see the help that they need from a good program to help you with the issues that are affecting your life. ANd to the family of Ms. Hawkins, I would suggest counseling to deal with a lot of the turmoil tht this case and entire situation has caused you. Yes you may be bonded as family, but often, a third party can help you deal with the fall out.

I hope everything turns out well for Brenda. Life can sometimes get pretty hard...not only for her....but for her family, as well.

Stay strong for each other and continue to pray.

If charges are not brought back up against Ms. Hawkins, then she is absolved. Wait and see I guess.

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Originally posted by CrimsonThor:
If charges are not brought back up against Ms. Hawkins, then she is absolved. Wait and see I guess.

She can not be absolved unless charges are brought back against her and a judge or jury finds her "not guilty".

The initial charges were dismissed not because of her innocence or guilt, but because of a legal issue with the venue. Absolvement deals with guilt, sin or blame, not where the trial should have been held.

ab·solve
tr.v. ab·solved, ab·solv·ing, ab·solves
1. To pronounce clear of guilt or blame.
2. To relieve of a requirement or obligation.
3.
a. To grant a remission of sin to.
b. To pardon or remit (a sin).

Free Dictionary definition of Absolve

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Invex:
Sonja...you have just met the TD tag team. Just a bunch of busy bodies with no life. They post here religiously, replying to every single post. The mother daughter team just about takes the cake

Just your opinion. You've never taken the time to get to know any of us. You're too busy bashing us.

can you imagine them in real life?

Yes, but what I can't imagine is you..in real life.

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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:

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Originally posted by CrimsonThor:
If charges are not brought back up against Ms. Hawkins, then she is absolved. Wait and see I guess.

She can not be absolved unless charges are brought back against her and a judge or jury finds her "not guilty".

The initial charges were dismissed not because of her innocence or guilt, but because of a legal issue with the venue. Absolvement deals with guilt, sin or blame, not where the trial should have been held.

ab·solve
tr.v. ab·solved, ab·solv·ing, ab·solves
1. To pronounce clear of guilt or blame.
2. To relieve of a requirement or obligation.
3.
a. To grant a remission of sin to.
b. To pardon or remit (a sin).

Free Dictionary definition of Absolve

Thanks for clarifying that Sassy!

Wait and see. She's absolved for all intents and purposes if charges are not pursued. The investigation continues according to the DA. If charges are not re-filed, then absolution. It must mean she's not guilty. Don't need further money and time wasting legal procedures or a silly dictionary to figure that one out.

Time will tell....

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Originally posted by CrimsonThor:
Wait and see. She's absolved for all intents and purposes if charges are not pursued. The investigation continues according to the DA. If charges are not re-filed, then absolution. It must mean she's not guilty. Don't need further money and time wasting legal procedures or a silly dictionary to figure that one out.

Using the proper terminology prevents a writer from seeming uneducated and uncouth. It also helps convey an accurate message that the reader can readily comprehend. Using improper terminology does exactly the opposite.

While your faith and belief in Ms. Hawkins is laudable, I find your attacking an inanimate object by calling a dictionary "silly" rather childish in itself.

Have a nice day. I hope thing work out well for Ms. Hawkins, but I am certain that nothing you contribute in this forum will help in that endeavor.

And nothing you contribute in this forum will hurt in that endeavor.

It has been my experience that if you are looking for justice in a court of law, you are a lot of times going to be disappointed...

Courts are not about justice as the law profession would love for you to believe...unfortunately, what has taken precedence is the meaning of the word "is" or "What is Sex" ...
Time after time courts exclude evidence that would either obsolve or show 100% guilt simply because the method of obtaining or timing of the evidence, does not fit within the court's perceived rules or guidelines...therefore the rules and guidelines become more important than guilt or innocence...

If the courts and law profession were so interested in reaching the truth there are several things they would allow...
1. Allow the juries to ask any question of the defendant or witness to clear up any question they may have about a certain issue before going into deliberation...

2. Forget about the elephant in the drawer exclusion law...ie; the search warrant was looking for a stolen TV, but during the search a bag of stolen diamonds is found in a small drawer...under the present guidelines, the diamonds would be out of the scope of the search warrant, therefore, the individual could not be charged with the stolen diamonds...Why? Because it is not reasonable to think that a 42 inch TV would be in a 8 inch drawer...therefore the law gives a freebie to the thief...

3. Just lay ALL INFORMATION GATHERED OUT FOR THE SUNSHINE TO LIGHT UP....this will then allow more justice in court...

With the case of the Freedom House director...the lawyer contested not the action, but the venue of the event, and who has the authority to prosecute for the event...not the guilt or innocence...
Just because they do not proceed with additional charges does not absolve...it simply says violations were made within the perimeter of the investigation...therefore, the fruit of the poison tree doctrine comes into play...
meaning...if the investigators or court inself made a mistake according to the legal guidelines setup by previous court rulings...no evidence gained from the mistake can be used in the court of law to either convict or absolve the defendant..
Thus guilt or innocence becomes the by product and not the product of interest within the legal profession..
To lawyers it is a game...it is keeping the score of win or losses...not justice that is the primary importance.
Thus Society has a whole loses...