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Originally Posted by Infomercial:

I was trying to figure out who was missing. I finally saw it was b50, looked and she's been banned. Who didn't like her enough to report her? I always kinda thought she was refreshingly honest.

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I've missed her but figured she was just taking a break from here as we all do sometimes. I would love to know what rules the mods go by to determine who is banned & who isn't. I can't remember anything that b could have said that would get her reported, much less banned. I've seen worse things by others that are still here. 

I'm a christian and don't like the idea of taking prayer away from the football games. However, I understand that a non-believer would not want it...that's just the way it's going to be (NOT SAYING I AM NOT ON THE CHRISTIAN SIDE AND WANT PRAYER TO CONTINUE). However, I just read the article that the group who protested in Arab aren't happy because now fans are allowed a moment of silence. They're upset because  they know that people will be SILENTLY praying??????????? Slim, can you please explain THIS one????? I think this is carrying it over the edge.....who has the right to tell me what I can do with my moment of silence? How is that affecting an atheist or agnostic?????? If you don't want to pray, just enjoy a quiet moment! 

Yes, trivial.  It's a facebook page....please.  From what I gather, there were a few nuts, some claimed to be Christians (only one I've seen mentioned here we all know isn't, just a troublemaker - here's your sign) & some claimed to be Atheists.  Rather than seeing them for what they are, they were used to validate preconceived ideas about Christians and Atheists as a whole.  Sad.

 

If there were threats & someone was stupid enough to use their real name, I would inform law enforcement and be done with it.  It's sure not worth all this.  It would thrill them to death, however, that they've created such a stir...since that WAS the point, being trouble-makers and all.

I didn't see the argument they had that you say got them banned. I do know they had "words" before and buttercup had posted things to b50m that apparently B had not reported, but should have imo. Maybe then buttercup would have been gone and unable to goad b into posting something that got her banned. So yes, be careful, because there are people here that will stay at you in the hopes you will "lose your cool" and post something they can run and report.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

Yes, trivial.  It's a facebook page....please.  From what I gather, there were a few nuts, some claimed to be Christians ( (only one I've seen mentioned here we all know isn't, just a troublemaker - here's your sign)) & some claimed to be Atheists.  Rather than seeing them for what they are, they were used to validate preconceived ideas about Christians and Atheists as a whole.  Sad.

 

If there were threats & someone was stupid enough to use their real name, I would inform law enforcement and be done with it.  It's sure not worth all this.  It would thrill them to death, however, that they've created such a stir...since that WAS the point, being trouble-makers and all.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but am I reading your post as intended?  "only one I've seen mentioned here we all know isn't, just a troublemaker - here's your sign" I suppose you mean that for me?

I realize that we all have opinions, & because we use the written word, it's impossible to know the tone of how it's meant. Can you tell me exactly how I'm a troublemaker? I would really appreciate knowing.

 

BTW, from what I read on FB concerning shooting someone, that comment was made by a Christian. Not my words, but hers.


 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I didn't see the argument they had that you say got them banned. I do know they had "words" before and buttercup had posted things to b50m that apparently B had not reported, but should have imo. Maybe then buttercup would have been gone and unable to goad b into posting something that got her banned. So yes, be careful, because there are people here that will stay at you in the hopes you will "lose your cool" and post something they can run and report.


Exactly.  I didn't see the conversation.  b50m told me what happened.  The last time I saw them have words I felt buttercup stepped way over the line.  b50m has never lied to me...so I think the same was true this time as well.

 

I take it rram is back as lexum?  He's would be goading me right now...haha.  rram/buff/lexum/whoever told us he was not a Christian on this forum...I can bring the convo back to the top, but I figure most here remember it.  I was confused because he said he was a COC member but not a Christian.  Whatever floats your boat...makes no difference to me.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by _Joy_:

b50m and buttercup had a fight, used some language and b50m got kicked...butter, too?  I dunno.  They ban by IP address now...so if you wanna hang around, watch your step.

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Joy, you got her kicked off yourself by your constant insisting that she does your dirty-work over on TD.

You prime your members over on your forum to come here and jump on others and when they get kicked of you post something like this. Do you not have a conscience?

 

Originally Posted by sheffield:

I'm a christian and don't like the idea of taking prayer away from the football games. However, I understand that a non-believer would not want it...that's just the way it's going to be (NOT SAYING I AM NOT ON THE CHRISTIAN SIDE AND WANT PRAYER TO CONTINUE). However, I just read the article that the group who protested in Arab aren't happy because now fans are allowed a moment of silence. They're upset because  they know that people will be SILENTLY praying??????????? Slim, can you please explain THIS one????? I think this is carrying it over the edge.....who has the right to tell me what I can do with my moment of silence? How is that affecting an atheist or agnostic?????? If you don't want to pray, just enjoy a quiet moment! 


I would like to see that part of the article?  That would be as silly as saying that there MUST be prayers over a loudspeaker.  What someone does to him or herself is no one's business.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by _Joy_:

Yes, trivial.  It's a facebook page....please.  From what I gather, there were a few nuts, some claimed to be Christians ( (only one I've seen mentioned here we all know isn't, just a troublemaker - here's your sign)) & some claimed to be Atheists.  Rather than seeing them for what they are, they were used to validate preconceived ideas about Christians and Atheists as a whole.  Sad.

 

If there were threats & someone was stupid enough to use their real name, I would inform law enforcement and be done with it.  It's sure not worth all this.  It would thrill them to death, however, that they've created such a stir...since that WAS the point, being trouble-makers and all.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but am I reading your post as intended?  "only one I've seen mentioned here we all know isn't, just a troublemaker - here's your sign" I suppose you mean that for me?

I realize that we all have opinions, & because we use the written word, it's impossible to know the tone of how it's meant. Can you tell me exactly how I'm a troublemaker? I would really appreciate knowing.

 

BTW, from what I read on FB concerning shooting someone, that comment was made by a Christian. Not my words, but hers.


 


Lord, no, semi...I meant rram/buff/lexum.

 

I understand threats were made.  I hope they reported it, but again, you are picking out a few.  What was the content of the posts made by the vast majority of Christians there?  Why are those not being discussed?  What image do those posts validate?  I think people ignore decent people (who come in both Atheist and Christian, btw) and highlight the nuts.

 
Originally Posted by _Joy_:

b50m and buttercup had a fight, used some language and b50m got kicked...butter, too?  I dunno.  They ban by IP address now...so if you wanna hang around, watch your step.

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Originally Posted by lexum:

Joy, you got her kicked off yourself by your constant insisting that she does your dirty-work over on TD.

You prime your members over on your forum to come here and jump on others and when they get kicked of you post something like this. Do you not have a conscience?

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Surely you're not going to start that again? It's Joy's forum, she has the right to run it as she wishes. It's none of your business or anyone elses.  

Thank you, semi.  He doesn't bother me.  He's basically lied about just about everybody here...so nobody will listen to him anyway.  He's really bored I guess.  I was hoping they found a way to kick him off for good this time...guess not.  Oh well...it's a beautiful day out there...I think I'll go enjoy it.

JOY SEZ:

"I understand threats were made.  I hope they reported it, but again, you are picking out a few.  What was the content of the posts made by the vast majority of Christians there?  Why are those not being discussed?  What image do those posts validate?  I think people ignore decent people (who come in both Atheist and Christian, btw) and highlight the nuts."

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JOY you didn't read the information yourself and you are wanting to hear it second hand from somebody else? What is your purpose for wanting someone to repeat it here on this forum?

oh I see if someone else repeats it you will have accomplished the same result as if you said it but God will count tale-bearing against someone else rather than you. You keep God fooled all the time.

I'll bet he is so confused.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:
Lord, no, semi...I meant rram/buff/lexum.

 

I understand threats were made.  I hope they reported it, but again, you are picking out a few.  What was the content of the posts made by the vast majority of Christians there?  Why are those not being discussed?  What image do those posts validate?  I think people ignore decent people (who come in both Atheist and Christian, btw) and highlight the nuts.

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Oh, ok, sorry I misunderstood.

The majority of the post I read yesterday & today were angry over what's going on. I did see one post earlier where someone said that the Christians weren't showing behavior that God would be proud of. I saw only one post that agree with her. I'm sure there are probably other positive post but I haven't read them all. I guess the nuts just tend to stand out, like they do here.

 

Tell b I'm sorry she got banned & that I'll miss her. Maybe she can come back?


 

Considering we all have what are called opinions about religion and we can't prove whether there is even a God or gods anyway, it is amazing how much anger, nastiness, accusations, and name-calling go on about it.  There are actually a very few who keep the baiting and feelings all stirred up, and it is everyone's choice whether to step way down into the muck or not.  I have no idea what happened with anyone getting banned or not and it is unfortunate, but considering the heat this topic has generated perhaps it would help if all "sides" could stop calling each other liars, people's opinions being called dumb or whatever else they get called, and if we could all just treat each other with respect this forum and the whole area would be a different place.

 

It is truly sad that I can't think of a thread that didn't turn into "us vs. them" from a snarky or mean comment from someone.  Calling Christians names doesn't help, and calling atheists names doesn't help either.  Wouldn't it be nice to log in here and find warmth and joy instead of fighting?  I don't get why anyone bothers to waste time here doing gotcha!!! posts or has to say things that will just offend others or that are designed to bait people or twist their words.  Why?  Don't we have enough to read and see about people getting murdered because of hateful words?  Do we want this area to be known for hate and intolerance or intelligence and peace?

 

So let's say you are someone who is really clever and so great at twisting and baiting....what have you gained really?  What does it do to our own life if we use our energy and gifts to call names and make others feel less than who they are?  If you can't discuss religion or read posts by religious people without being insulting them why come here?  If you can't stand the thought that some don't believe in religion or what you happen to believe then don't read their posts.  If you know someone twists words ignore him/her and when no one responds the person will give up or escalate and get banned.

 

How about instead of attacking each we do as some suggested and reward the ones who come to learn and discuss instead of the ones who like to be nasty?  Just ignore the posts that have name-calling or nastiness?  What a different forum this would be....

 

Originally Posted by lexum:

I see if someone else repeats it you will have accomplished the same result as if you said it but God will count tale-bearing against someone else rather than you. You keep God fooled all the time.

I'll bet he is so confused.

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If I confided something in you, ask you not to tell anyone but you did anyway, that's tale-bearing. It's also someone that spreads malicious stories or gossip & I haven't seen Joy do that.

Now you want someone that tries to fool God? Two words.............Bill Gray.

Originally Posted by frog:

Considering we all have what are called opinions about religion and we can't prove whether there is even a God or gods anyway, it is amazing how much anger, nastiness, accusations, and name-calling go on about it.  There are actually a very few who keep the baiting and feelings all stirred up, and it is everyone's choice whether to step way down into the muck or not.  I have no idea what happened with anyone getting banned or not and it is unfortunate, but considering the heat this topic has generated perhaps it would help if all "sides" could stop calling each other liars, people's opinions being called dumb or whatever else they get called, and if we could all just treat each other with respect this forum and the whole area would be a different place.

 

It is truly sad that I can't think of a thread that didn't turn into "us vs. them" from a snarky or mean comment from someone.  Calling Christians names doesn't help, and calling atheists names doesn't help either.  Wouldn't it be nice to log in here and find warmth and joy instead of fighting?  I don't get why anyone bothers to waste time here doing gotcha!!! posts or has to say things that will just offend others or that are designed to bait people or twist their words.  Why?  Don't we have enough to read and see about people getting murdered because of hateful words?  Do we want this area to be known for hate and intolerance or intelligence and peace?

 

So let's say you are someone who is really clever and so great at twisting and baiting....what have you gained really?  What does it do to our own life if we use our energy and gifts to call names and make others feel less than who they are?  If you can't discuss religion or read posts by religious people without being insulting them why come here?  If you can't stand the thought that some don't believe in religion or what you happen to believe then don't read their posts.  If you know someone twists words ignore him/her and when no one responds the person will give up or escalate and get banned.

 

How about instead of attacking each we do as some suggested and reward the ones who come to learn and discuss instead of the ones who like to be nasty?  Just ignore the posts that have name-calling or nastiness?  What a different forum this would be....

 

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You're not the first person here to come up with that idea-and it does sound nice....but it's unlikely that it will ever happen.

 

Religion causes wars. Plain and simple. History proves it.

 

"My superstition can beat up your superstition."

 

As it is, as it was........As it shall be.

Originally Posted by frog:

I have no idea what happened with anyone getting banned or not and it is unfortunate, but considering the heat this topic has generated perhaps it would help if all "sides" could stop calling each other liars, people's opinions being called dumb or whatever else they get called, and if we could all just treat each other with respect this forum and the whole area would be a different place.

 

It is truly sad that I can't think of a thread that didn't turn into "us vs. them" from a snarky or mean comment from someone.  Calling Christians names doesn't help, and calling atheists names doesn't help either.  Wouldn't it be nice to log in here and find warmth and joy instead of fighting?  I don't get why anyone bothers to waste time here doing gotcha!!! posts or has to say things that will just offend others or that are designed to bait people or twist their words.   

So let's say you are someone who is really clever and so great at twisting and baiting....what have you gained really?  What does it do to our own life if we use our energy and gifts to call names and make others feel less than who they are?  If you can't discuss religion or read posts by religious people without being insulting them why come here? If you know someone twists words ignore him/her and when no one responds the person will give up or escalate and get banned.

 

How about instead of attacking each we do as some suggested and reward the ones who come to learn and discuss instead of the ones who like to be nasty?  Just ignore the posts that have name-calling or nastiness?  What a different forum this would be.... 

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Frog, if we were to reward anyone that comes here to learn, I would nominate you.

 

I'm thinking that the conversation that got b banned was in Politics. It gets pretty rough there & that's why I don't read or post there. Actually I have read there once & posted maybe twice but I found out real quick to stay away.

 

I come here in hopes that I might learn something, have found some friends, & there's a couple of people here that I love to read their post because they make me laugh.

I'm one of those that you mention as being insulting. Bill Gray says he comes here for those people that don't post but reads. He wants to reach those people that are unsaved.

I will refute Bill's post every chance I get because his Christianity is misleading. I may have my doubts but it's people like Bill that have made me doubt. If I can get one person to not believe Bill & his kind of Christianity, then they may be saved from the kind of doubts & torment that has come against me. I wouldn't wish that on my worse enemy. In my opinion, Bill is no Christian & I'm hoping those people he's after will see that. 

If you haven't learned yet, watch Bill's post carefully.......he will twist your words completely different than the way you mean them.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by frog:

Considering we all have what are called opinions about religion and we can't prove whether there is even a God or gods anyway, it is amazing how much anger, nastiness, accusations, and name-calling go on about it.  There are actually a very few who keep the baiting and feelings all stirred up, and it is everyone's choice whether to step way down into the muck or not.  I have no idea what happened with anyone getting banned or not and it is unfortunate, but considering the heat this topic has generated perhaps it would help if all "sides" could stop calling each other liars, people's opinions being called dumb or whatever else they get called, and if we could all just treat each other with respect this forum and the whole area would be a different place.

 

It is truly sad that I can't think of a thread that didn't turn into "us vs. them" from a snarky or mean comment from someone.  Calling Christians names doesn't help, and calling atheists names doesn't help either.  Wouldn't it be nice to log in here and find warmth and joy instead of fighting?  I don't get why anyone bothers to waste time here doing gotcha!!! posts or has to say things that will just offend others or that are designed to bait people or twist their words.  Why?  Don't we have enough to read and see about people getting murdered because of hateful words?  Do we want this area to be known for hate and intolerance or intelligence and peace?

 

So let's say you are someone who is really clever and so great at twisting and baiting....what have you gained really?  What does it do to our own life if we use our energy and gifts to call names and make others feel less than who they are?  If you can't discuss religion or read posts by religious people without being insulting them why come here?  If you can't stand the thought that some don't believe in religion or what you happen to believe then don't read their posts.  If you know someone twists words ignore him/her and when no one responds the person will give up or escalate and get banned.

 

How about instead of attacking each we do as some suggested and reward the ones who come to learn and discuss instead of the ones who like to be nasty?  Just ignore the posts that have name-calling or nastiness?  What a different forum this would be....

 

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You're not the first person here to come up with that idea-and it does sound nice....but it's unlikely that it will ever happen.

 

Religion causes wars. Plain and simple. History proves it.

 

"My superstition can beat up your superstition."

 

As it is, as it was........As it shall be.


I understand and I am not naive.  But it doesn't have to be that way, and each person who doesn't behave that way affects others just as the person baiting gets others pulled in.  Yes, it does matter and we can change that mindset of "it just is that way and will be".  If you want change you have to be change 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by frog:

I have no idea what happened with anyone getting banned or not and it is unfortunate, but considering the heat this topic has generated perhaps it would help if all "sides" could stop calling each other liars, people's opinions being called dumb or whatever else they get called, and if we could all just treat each other with respect this forum and the whole area would be a different place.

 

It is truly sad that I can't think of a thread that didn't turn into "us vs. them" from a snarky or mean comment from someone.  Calling Christians names doesn't help, and calling atheists names doesn't help either.  Wouldn't it be nice to log in here and find warmth and joy instead of fighting?  I don't get why anyone bothers to waste time here doing gotcha!!! posts or has to say things that will just offend others or that are designed to bait people or twist their words.   

So let's say you are someone who is really clever and so great at twisting and baiting....what have you gained really?  What does it do to our own life if we use our energy and gifts to call names and make others feel less than who they are?  If you can't discuss religion or read posts by religious people without being insulting them why come here? If you know someone twists words ignore him/her and when no one responds the person will give up or escalate and get banned.

 

How about instead of attacking each we do as some suggested and reward the ones who come to learn and discuss instead of the ones who like to be nasty?  Just ignore the posts that have name-calling or nastiness?  What a different forum this would be.... 

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Frog, if we were to reward anyone that comes here to learn, I would nominate you.

 

I'm thinking that the conversation that got b banned was in Politics. It gets pretty rough there & that's why I don't read or post there. Actually I have read there once & posted maybe twice but I found out real quick to stay away.

 

I come here in hopes that I might learn something, have found some friends, & there's a couple of people here that I love to read their post because they make me laugh.

I'm one of those that you mention as being insulting. Bill Gray says he comes here for those people that don't post but reads. He wants to reach those people that are unsaved.

I will refute Bill's post every chance I get because his Christianity is misleading. I may have my doubts but it's people like Bill that have made me doubt. If I can get one person to not believe Bill & his kind of Christianity, then they may be saved from the kind of doubts & torment that has come against me. I wouldn't wish that on my worse enemy. In my opinion, Bill is no Christian & I'm hoping those people he's after will see that. 

If you haven't learned yet, watch Bill's post carefully.......he will twist your words completely different than the way you mean them.


But if you do want to keep people from being misled, then wouldn't one easy way to do that be to model not rising to Bill's bait or letting his twists goad us into doing what he is doing?  Believe me, I totally get what you are saying, so if you see it I bet others would quickly too...or not, but at least you wouldn't be encouraging him to twist what you say.  I enjoy reading your posts, but you are right in that your words will twisted if you argue..mine have many times too...lol.  I'm not saying what anyone else should do...just saying if no one plays the game then what fun is it for those who want to incite others?

I think everyone can decide on their own how they "dialog" here and no one is under any obligation to do it the way someone else might think they should. Adults should be able to handle themselves when they enter a public forum where there are going to be different opinions about issues, and if they don't want to read those differing opinions they shouldn't be here. You can't have thin skin and post here. A forum like this is kinda like a window on the world. You have as many different personalities as you do posters. It's the human condition.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by SHOALS,LOVER:

Coucil meetings have prayer before they begin, elected officials put their hands on  the Bible when they are sworn into office, if you testify in court you are sworn in with your hand on the Bible.  The first amendment states we have freedom of speech and that should mean everyone should be free to stand up for what they believe in.  I am proud of the students and others who stand up for their beliefs.  If you object to prayer but want to see a ball game wait until the game has started to attend. God Bless the USA and the state of Alabama!

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So you really believe that everyone that lays their hand on a Bible & swears to tell the truth is going to tell the truth???

There's a difference in standing up for what you believe in & threatening others if they don't do what you want.

+1!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by _Joy_:
I haven't been to this facebook page, but if the person you mentioned is rram, he says he is not a Christian.  Perhaps that's the problem.  It would be quite easy to join, claim to be a Christian and then act a fool.

Y'all are seriously this upset over a facebook page?  It seems rather trivial.

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Trivial, Joy? Even though some of the post have now been deleted, there were people with a mob mentality threatening to shoot others, or saying they should be shot, boycott businesses if the owner was found to be an Atheist or non-believer.

Yes, anyone can claim to be a Christian, several in fact, on this forum do just that. But to put your name on Facebook & make those kind of threats is just stupid. It tells people for a fact just exactly what kind of Christian they are.

Kind of like Bill Gray shouting to the world he's a Christian & showing on this forum that he is not but people are supposed to be dumb enough to believe him.

For the post this refers to, it is trivial. A. Robustus did a total fabrication with what he attempted to imply Larry Jaynes had said on the Facebook page. Jaynes didn't say anything threatening or inappropriate at all. With that post, AR has lost any credibility with what he writes as he was making a blatant attempt to deceive people about what Mr. Jaynes had said in hopes that no one would actually go and see for themselves. I saw the  posts that AR was making reference to and the word "earthquake" was used in reference to how this issue has shaken up the school system, the word "cut throat" was used but not in the literal sense of cutting anyone's throat or any other type of violent/threatening manner.And the other things that he said about Mr. Jaynes posts followed the same type pattern. In other words, A. Robustus was simply trying to stir things up against the group and resorted to some low and untruthful tactics to do so. 

I know that you have mentioned that you saw some inappropriate and threatening remarks on the page and I do not doubt that as it seems that you do have a lot of integrity with all that I have seen you post but at the same time I think that the admins must be doing a good job of keeping those type comments cleaned up because I haven't been able to find them.

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I think everyone can decide on their own how they "dialog" here and no one is under any obligation to do it the way someone else might think they should. Adults should be able to handle themselves when they enter a public forum where there are going to be different opinions about issues, and if they don't want to read those differing opinions they shouldn't be here. You can't have thin skin and post here. A forum like this is kinda like a window on the world. You have as many different personalities as you do posters. It's the human condition.


You are absolutely right, and I agree adults should be able to handle themselves on forums.  It is unfortunate that when people (not me here...anyone) ask for civility or tolerance from members, often the person asking is told the skin just isn't thick enough.  Sure, being overly sensitive and posting on forums is a recipe for a mess, but asking people not to insult each other or to treat each others' viewpoints with respect is the basis for the TOS for many forums...not the exception.

 

You are right...a window on the world (have a look at the world...how's that working out?), and you are also right about all the different personalities coming together.  I wouldn't think of telling people what they should say, but instead was simply suggestion what a different place this forum and the rest of the world this window represents, could be if the things I mentioned were considered.  I realize it isn't going to ever happen since there is no incentive for change.  A thread starts, sometimes a reasonable reply is posted or perhaps the attacks and insults start right away with the first post.  I have learned since I came here...I learned that this is the encouraged and apparently enjoyable way threads go here, and since that is the way apparently that the staff and some of the members wish it to be I leave you to your fun.  Since there is little belief things can change they most likely won't.

 

Good luck to everyone...I hope you are all safe and happy in your lives.  I think I learned what I came for and I'll check out the other forums to see if it is this way in them all.  I'm at a point in my life where I want peace and positive energy, and really this isn't it for the most part..take care, everyone.

And there you have it. The very thing you post people shouldn't do, you just did. You took a post I made stating MY opinion and made it about you, to the point you feel you have to leave. My point was that neither you or I will ever change people into what WE think they should be and we either learn to relate to every person on their level or to constantly to be disappointed in life. It is our choice to read or not read certain posts, and to respond or not. You had the choice to read my opinion and either pass up a reply, say you understood but wished things were different, or take it personally. You chose the last option. There are hundreds of discussion sites where people post about things they have in common, and even on some of those,  a recipe site I visit for instance, there have been clashes because of a disagreement of the best way to prepare a dish. It is the human condition and as far as how it's working out for me, it's working the way it works for all of us.

I don't have a FB account so I didn't see his posts, but I didn't think for one second that AR would lie about it. And I figured if he could delete his posts he'd do it after AR's comment. A certain poster has ask me where our business is, like I'd be stupid enough to tell him, and once he said he knew where it was. I thought then that I sure hoped somebody wasn't suffering because of a deranged person that had NO idea what the heck he was talking about.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
 
TodaOriginally Posted by BFred07:
OI saw the  posts that AR was making reference to and the word "earthquake" was used in reference to how this issue has shaken up the school system, the word "cut throat" was used but not in the literal sense of cutting anyone's throat or any other type of violent/threatening manner.And the other things that he said about Mr. Jaynes posts followed the same type pattern. In other words, A. Robustus was simply trying to stir things up against the group and resorted to some low and untruthful tactics to do s

 

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This is what Mr. Jaynes said:

 

Larry E Jaynes There are atheist business owners out there that simply are unbelievers with out any agenda against Christians. The ones to avoid are the ones who hate you for being Christians and and wish horrible things to come to your children; in one particular case an earthquake to a local religious school.
<abbr data-date="Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:16:35 -0700" title="Saturday, October 29, 2011 at 1:16pm">Yesterday at 1:16pm</abbr>
 
So you are the one being deceitful. His comment was not about how this issue has "shaken up" the school system. He is making an accusation against a local business owner that was being named on the FB site as an atheist. I have been around this forum long enough to know that he has made this accusation many times before about this same local business owner. He (Mr. Jaynes) is obsessed with the man.

 

Today when I went there to find this post I noticed that a lot of the the post Mr. Jaynes made yesterday have been deleted. So no one will ever be able to now prove that they were there, but this one still was and it definitely shows that what you are sayings is untrue and AR was telling the truth.

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I think that particular poster can tell some big ones, but I did a search for "earthquake" and "school" and found were a forum member said he or she wished an earthquake would hit Mars Hill School. I'm going to assume it was said in jest and Mr. J. jumped on it.

 

The post went way back and I'm surprised anyone remembered it. I guess he doesn't have Alzheimer's.

Originally Posted by Infomercial:

I think that particular poster can tell some big ones, but I did a search for "earthquake" and "school" and found were a forum member said he or she wished an earthquake would hit Mars Hill School. I'm going to assume it was said in jest and Mr. J. jumped on it.

 

The post went way back and I'm surprised anyone remembered it. I guess he doesn't have Alzheimer's.

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He has repeated it over the last couple of years quite frequently here on the forums. He can't forget it because he won't let it go.  He had no way of knowing who the poster making the comment about Mars Hill truly was, but he (in his mind alone) decided it was a local business owner. Since then he has been obsessed with this man.There had been other post yesterday on the BHS FB page naming this particular business owner as an atheist, and he jumped right in and brought all this up again.

 

I too have read the post and saw it as a joke. Maybe not in the best of taste, but in no way was it a threat.

Originally Posted by Infomercial:

I went back and read it again and the man said he definitely didn't want the children to be in the school when the earthquake hit, so Mr. J. is shall we say less than truthful.

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Mr. Jaynes is not only deceitful, but in my opinion unstable. I hate that he found a way to come back to this forum. He spreads hate and lies everywhere he goes.

 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
 
TodaOriginally Posted by BFred07:
OI saw the  posts that AR was making reference to and the word "earthquake" was used in reference to how this issue has shaken up the school system, the word "cut throat" was used but not in the literal sense of cutting anyone's throat or any other type of violent/threatening manner.And the other things that he said about Mr. Jaynes posts followed the same type pattern. In other words, A. Robustus was simply trying to stir things up against the group and resorted to some low and untruthful tactics to do s

 

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This is what Mr. Jaynes said:

 

Larry E Jaynes There are atheist business owners out there that simply are unbelievers with out any agenda against Christians. The ones to avoid are the ones who hate you for being Christians and and wish horrible things to come to your children; in one particular case an earthquake to a local religious school.
<abbr data-date="Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:16:35 -0700" title="Saturday, October 29, 2011 at 1:16pm">Yesterday at 1:16pm</abbr>
 
So you are the one being deceitful. His comment was not about how this issue has "shaken up" the school system. He is making an accusation against a local business owner that was being named on the FB site as an atheist. I have been around this forum long enough to know that he has made this accusation many times before about this same local business owner. He (Mr. Jaynes) is obsessed with the man.

 

Today when I went there to find this post I noticed that a lot of the the post Mr. Jaynes made yesterday have been deleted. So no one will ever be able to now prove that they were there, but this one still was and it definitely shows that what you are sayings is untrue and AR was telling the truth.

Don't accuse me of being deceitful! You will never find anything that I have posted that could be considered as such. You know good and well from what AR wrote that he was trying to make it sound like Mr. Jaynes was making threats or inciting violence when even the posts that you quoted show no such thing. He made accusations against some atheists and appears to have tried to make sure and say that in any type of protest against atheist business owners would be limited to only the ones who have shown a hatred towards Christians and I believe that he was trying to say that not all atheists are bad people.

As for the earthquake part, you are correct and I did miss read that at first and I think that you can likely see how that could have been taken as such being as the guy was not being very specific and I had no clue about anyone posting here that they wished an earthquake would hit MArs HIll Bible School (BTW thanks for pointing out the error) but it sounds like the real meaning was a bit more ****ing of some of the hateful atheists than what I said in the other post.  And remember that the examples I tried to give were only to show that the Facebook posts that AR tried to lie about were not written with any malicious intent.

As for the local humanist group that you say you are a member of, it sounds like his less than flattering remarks were not meant for everyone in the group but just the hateful ones which is a lot better than some of you act towards Christians.

I stand by what I said and that is that AR lied and has no credibility or integrity. Maybe Mr. Jaynes doesn't either or maybe he does, I don't know and have not seen proof of Mr Jaynes lying but I have seen proof that AR has. Either way, whether or not Mr. Jaynes lied is of no consequence to my argument, my entire point is that AR was trying to stir things up by being deceitful about what the guy had said.

 


 

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Originally Posted by BFred07:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
 
TodaOriginally Posted by BFred07:
OI saw the  posts that AR was making reference to and the word "earthquake" was used in reference to how this issue has shaken up the school system, the word "cut throat" was used but not in the literal sense of cutting anyone's throat or any other type of violent/threatening manner.And the other things that he said about Mr. Jaynes posts followed the same type pattern. In other words, A. Robustus was simply trying to stir things up against the group and resorted to some low and untruthful tactics to do s

 

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This is what Mr. Jaynes said:

 

Larry E Jaynes There are atheist business owners out there that simply are unbelievers with out any agenda against Christians. The ones to avoid are the ones who hate you for being Christians and and wish horrible things to come to your children; in one particular case an earthquake to a local religious school.
<abbr data-date="Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:16:35 -0700" title="Saturday, October 29, 2011 at 1:16pm">Yesterday at 1:16pm</abbr>
 
So you are the one being deceitful. His comment was not about how this issue has "shaken up" the school system. He is making an accusation against a local business owner that was being named on the FB site as an atheist. I have been around this forum long enough to know that he has made this accusation many times before about this same local business owner. He (Mr. Jaynes) is obsessed with the man.

 

Today when I went there to find this post I noticed that a lot of the the post Mr. Jaynes made yesterday have been deleted. So no one will ever be able to now prove that they were there, but this one still was and it definitely shows that what you are sayings is untrue and AR was telling the truth.

Don't accuse me of being deceitful! You will never find anything that I have posted that could be considered as such. You know good and well from what AR wrote that he was trying to make it sound like Mr. Jaynes was making threats or inciting violence when even the posts that you quoted show no such thing. He made accusations against some atheists and appears to have tried to make sure and say that in any type of protest against atheist business owners would be limited to only the ones who have shown a hatred towards Christians and I believe that he was trying to say that not all atheists are bad people.

As for the earthquake part, you are correct and I did miss read that at first and I think that you can likely see how that could have been taken as such being as the guy was not being very specific and I had no clue about anyone posting here that they wished an earthquake would hit MArs HIll Bible School (BTW thanks for pointing out the error) but it sounds like the real meaning was a bit more ****ing of some of the hateful atheists than what I said in the other post.  And remember that the examples I tried to give were only to show that the Facebook posts that AR tried to lie about were not written with any malicious intent.

As for the local humanist group that you say you are a member of, it sounds like his less than flattering remarks were not meant for everyone in the group but just the hateful ones which is a lot better than some of you act towards Christians.

I stand by what I said and that is that AR lied and has no credibility or integrity. Maybe Mr. Jaynes doesn't either or maybe he does, I don't know and have not seen proof of Mr Jaynes lying but I have seen proof that AR has. Either way, whether or not Mr. Jaynes lied is of no consequence to my argument, my entire point is that AR was trying to stir things up by being deceitful about what the guy had said.

 


 

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I can only go on what you post bfred. Whether you interpreted what Mr. Jaynes said accurately is on you, not me or AR. What you said was that it was about "shaking the school system up" which was not true.

 

You say you have not seen any proof of Mr. Jaynes lying and I posted his very own words about the local Humanist group. IT was ALL lies. Either you just don't want to admit that what he is saying about us and our group is malicious lies or you have a serious reading comprehension problem. And yes it is malicious to say that someone wants to harm children, cut the throats of anything Christian, and that Humanist hate all Christians and anything to do with belief in a God. He is lying and he knows it. However he put it out there as truth and the BHS prayer page people will not allow anyone who is from the Humanist group to post on their site to set the record straight. They are apparently more than willing to allow this kind of vile hatred towards Humanists to be posted without any proof. He did not say SOME he said the whole group. When in reality I know no one in the Humanist group that hold those feelings towards believers. Not one.

 

Nothing in AR post was untrue. You just didn't see it as a bad thing to say these things about Humanist or to try and sully the name of local business owners. Where as those of us that are being accused of such things take it very serious and personal.

He made accusations against some atheists and appears to have tried to make sure and say that in any type of protest against atheist business owners would be limited to only the ones who have shown a hatred towards Christians

 

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What about the christian business owners that show hatred against atheists, homosexuals, and others that don't believe like they do? So he wants it "limited" does he? Well, what a peach he is indeed. How far can we go with these boycotts? Can we extend them to businesses that only hire people of the same ethnic group? OR should baptists make sure they aren't doing business with a coc owner or vice versa?

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