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Originally posted by voiceover:
Again, thank you for your concern, but I think "running" from a problem like this would not only be the worst for our daughter, but for our community as well!


Sorry if I missed it in an earlier post, but have you had a face to face discussion with a Laud. Co. Board of Education member?
I would want an explanation of why the following code is not being followed (specifically items B and C). I know you mentioned the police have been involved more than once.
http://www.legislature.state.al.us/codeofalabama/1975/16%2D1%2D24.1.htm
voiceover... I sooooo agree with you!!! Hang in there, you have more support than you think.

It is high time that WE as tax paying citizens take back what is ours, ... and that is a SAFE ENVIRONMENT for our children!!!

DO NOT BLAME THE VICTIM, Get rid of the perps, and those who turn a deaf ear, or a blind eye to what is going on....

Afterall, ... Everyone who works at the schools are paid for by ALL of us!!
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Originally posted by imho:
Re-reading this most interesting thread I have two questions:

1) Is this a Cheerleading thing, at least for the most part?
I read into the posts by those involved and most of the incidents revolve around cheerleading - and we all have heard how competitive this can be.

2) Are P.E. teachers just babysitting the kids that are not "lettermen" in a sport? I know children in elementary school are not learning Physical Education the way I did. It is "playtime" now.

Folks, cheerleading ain't worth it if it means this kind of treatment. School officials should threaten to shut down the program if parents don't straighten up - because this is where it starts.

P.E. means physical education. P.E. teachers - can we actually educate our kids in this instead of giving them time to write graffiti or even worse. When was the last time you heard someone complain that P.E. was too hard? It used to be.


During the hours that the kids are in school, it is the school's responsibility on what goes on... haven't we figured that out by now?

Bullying is STILL being tolerated and school officials ignore it because it is EASIER... harassment is also being tolerated.

Sorry, parents can do an exemplary job on raising kids, and just ONE bully can break that down in a very short time.

When the Kids are in school, it IS the responsibility of the School to protect them... pure and simple!!!
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Originally posted by smurph:
just a thought here, but is it really a good idea discussing this issue with the father of the child involved on a public message forum?
Seriously,if this situation leads to legal implications,he could be harming his childs case.
Everyone knows how the money folks kids clique(just like their parents) and the Killen area became the fashionable place for them to live over the past 15 yrs or so.This family is up against enough the way the authorities suck up to that circle of folks.


Since it has already hit the News, then I think it is good therapy for a parent to discuss issues with people. Talking is good therapy when one is 'hurting'... Even if anything turns legal... that shouldnt matter either, people would be discussing it anyway, but only GUESSING what is going on... I think the parent here has the right to tell the story about this young girl that has fallen prey to the bully system.

Maybe if things were discussed in other places in the USA, school shootings could have been prevented. Of course I know that is a long shot... but remember how shocked the communities were AFTER THE FACT because the problems were kept hush-hush, and the School's basically ignored the issues.

Something to think about anyway...
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Originally posted by elijah1945:
"Kids have the power and school officials turn their back....scared of what the kid will do..or scared of their reputation if the kid is a "jock".....okay, you said it Kindred, now back it up....where did this happen and when..I am tired of people throwing stuff up about schools and education....as I have invited others ... come to the school... spend a couple of days there as a substitute ...then see how you feel.....28 years in education and I'm proud of our public schools in Lauderdale County.


elijah, where have you been? This sort of thing has been on the news at least 3 times a month... JUST WHAT I SAID... sounds like you are still in denial.

Teachers, Subs, Principals ARE responsible for kids during their watch... so stop shoving blame, it is YOUR time, deal with them, only dont run around hollaring that it is the parents fault.

Granted, sometimes it just might be the parents fault, and if that is the case, call DHR and report out of control students and parents. Otherwise, just do the job. That is what Alabama tax dollars pay YOU for. If I were a teacher, getting paid, you bet your bottom dollar that I would find ways to stop this sort of behavior, including, police, DHR and any other organization that would and could help with it.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO excuse for a 12 year old child to continue to be bullied to the point this child was.

Every heard of children committing suicide because they just cannot take the bullying?

Wow, what sandhill do you have your head in???
elijah, if a person with school authority SEES a kid becoming a bully, or one being bullied, you have a duty to call in the parents for a discussion to get this behavior stopped. That is the FIRST move, and if that doesn't work, then go further.. .. you took the job, you have to follow each and every case to the end, ... or else you are just making excuses for doing nothing.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by imho:
Re-reading this most interesting thread I have two questions:

1) Is this a Cheerleading thing, at least for the most part?
I read into the posts by those involved and most of the incidents revolve around cheerleading - and we all have heard how competitive this can be.

2) Are P.E. teachers just babysitting the kids that are not "lettermen" in a sport? I know children in elementary school are not learning Physical Education the way I did. It is "playtime" now.

Folks, cheerleading ain't worth it if it means this kind of treatment. School officials should threaten to shut down the program if parents don't straighten up - because this is where it starts.

P.E. means physical education. P.E. teachers - can we actually educate our kids in this instead of giving them time to write graffiti or even worse. When was the last time you heard someone complain that P.E. was too hard? It used to be.


During the hours that the kids are in school, it is the school's responsibility on what goes on... haven't we figured that out by now?

Bullying is STILL being tolerated and school officials ignore it because it is EASIER... harassment is also being tolerated.

Sorry, parents can do an exemplary job on raising kids, and just ONE bully can break that down in a very short time.

When the Kids are in school, it IS the responsibility of the School to protect them... pure and simple!!!


Although I agree with your post I don't know how it relates to mine that you quoted.

Most of the incidents mentioned in this case have been related to cheerleading and PE class. These directly fall under the school's supervision. Being cheerleading is jointly run by parents the school should hold them partially responsible and if they can't handle it then make some changes.
Common sense would say get the parents and kids together and lay down some laws that EVERYONE is expected to follow and stop any favoritism to any one person or group.
Guidelines are there in black and white to help administrators deal with these problems. They just have to have the backbone to enforce it.
My oldest son went to Brooks & I cant believe the drastic change in the school system since he started there over 10 yrs ago. We moved him to Brooks because of the GOOD REPORTS that the school had gotten, & judging from the other county school that we removed him from, Brooks was a God send. However, the school has went down hill so bad, a couple of times last year, his truck was torn up & I would go to pick him up. Just sitting there unnoticed waiting on him to come out of the building, I was amazed. Sure there was usually a school authority figure there, but I use the term aurthority very loosely. He seemed to turn a blind eye to everything. & the stories that my son would come home telling us was just appalling. He even got sent to the office for threatening to beat a 10th grade boy silly because he would not keep his hands off a 9th grade girls breast!! & to my knowledge the 10th grader was never punished & the 9th grade girl went to a CITY SCHOOL!! Now when I was in school, the city schools were the ones that were ran like this, turning a blind eye, just to keep the peace. But this day & time, the county schools are falling FAR behind in this. If we dont have competent people with our kids everyday, then they should be replaced with ones that can get the jobs done!! If any one remembers Coach Hester or Coach Sinyard from Lauderdale County (Hester was principle for a while), people like that would not allow this stuff to go on!! Fire all the worthless ones & bring back discipline!!
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Originally posted by elijah:
Kindred Spirit.....You have no clue what schools are like....Your kind of mindset is exactly why teachers and administrators job is so difficult....there is no ignoring nor toleration of bullying...COME TO SCHOOL STAY A DAY....or are you afraid of what you might find?


Elijah, you think everyone in this area, or any other area for that matter are idiots EXCEPT School Administrators?

C'mon... give me a break, I DO HAVE A CLUE... I HAVE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, SEEN THAT, WITNESSED that... probably seen more than you have since you have that "head in the sand" outlook...

It is truly a shame when even the School System will not admit there is a problem, that all they have to do is to hide their heads and hollar ITS THE PARENTS... and that is TOTAL BS.

If you are an educator, then you just showed part of your ignorance... sad!!!!
When it comes to bulling, it's up to both the schools and the parents to solve the problem. First of all, the kid being bullied has to tell someone or make it known. Sure it's difficult, but it has to be done. My wife had a student who was being bullied and she had no idea until the student's mom called her. She met with both parents, worked with them both, and apparently the problem is solved. When either parents or the school gives up and says "there's nothing we can do", the problem will simply get worse.

The real problem is that teachers have no way to enforce their authority. They can't paddle, they can't take away recess, they can only have very minor punishments or send them to the office. Even in the office, there isn't much administrators can do. When the students realize they can't be punished, they do whatever they want.
Well, we've noted the problems. What's the solution? If we cannot put paddles back into the hands of teachers, what can be done to keep this from happening? I say put it back in the bully's parents' lap...by first offense getting the bully suspended & second offense getting the bully expelled. If he or she is expelled from every school in the area, I'm thinking his or her parents will get serious about discipling their kid.
this entire issue is a 2 sided coin,both sides have their ugly points.
it is a requirement by law children have to be schooled(not everyone has the option to home school). We as parents have had to trust those in control of our children will be responsible,protective, and CARING for 7 hours of their life everyday.
Then there are those in that authority that do expect parents to have taught their children morals,respect and some common decency to others.
I have seen a HUGE breakdown on BOTH SIDES.What is the answer? I really do not know, and it is a major question going on from all directions. In my line of work, there is NO WAY i would want to have to deal with some of these "little darlings' for 7 hours,5 days a week.There is no way I would want to have to deal with MANY of the parents as well. After speaking with parents of some of these problem kids parents, its easy to see where most of their problem are born.Then there comes the issues of HOW does one go about severing the childs problems and issues from the home envireoment? This is something they live with everyday,and negative influences from the most important people in their lives,parents. Do not say call DHR,they are only concerned with the basics,are they fed,are they clothed, are they being physically abused,are they in school everyday, that sort of thing.
I agree kindred, on something you said. It is good to discuss it to a point. Because this is a COMMUNITY problem. It does involve every person,reguardless if one has children or not.It is these kids that WILL someday be the adults running our community, they will be the ones making decisions that will possibly be impressing on many lives.
I think that if people cannot, or do not like dealing with other people's children AND their problems, then education should be the LAST place they need to be.

I have seen parents raise children to be good, respectful, courteous and even Christian, and on real good "bullying" issue can break that down faster than parents can try to keep it built.

Self esteem is an issue in every school, every grade... added pressure is not what kids need, it hurts everyone, and like smurph said, it then becomes a COMMUNITY problem.

Brooks is the school we are talking about, but all this discussion can be applied to any school in the USA.

Whats the answer? I dont know... but I do know that people need, NO, people HAVE to remember that while a child is in the school, the School Administration IS responsible for them. Some are definitely not 'little darlings', but it is still their jobs to protect them.

If a person employed by the School System cannot handle the protection factors dealing with our children, they need to get out.

There are avenues that help School personnel with roudy kids, it is just that I think it is just TOO easy for them to turn a deaf ear, or a blind eye to the cruelty a child is enduring.
Mark, Someone has been giving you false information or you are making false statements on your own accord. Your wife and daughter was band from youth football in 2005 because your wife but her hands on another little girl. That is a fact, I know because I’m a cheerleader mom and I was there!

I have known your daughter and wife for 3 years. Ashley has always instigated trouble and then when other girls retaliate she calls mommy and mommy over reacts. That is another fact that can be documented. I have told my daughter to stay away from Ashley and not to communicate with her for that very reason. Ashley would keep calling the house, knowing that that my daughter was not to talk to her. They would wind up being friends again and then the same thing would happen all over.

Ashley uses vulgar language and then blames the other girls for starting it. I don’t think a dozen girls could be wrong about the way Ashley conducts herself. Ashley has also been accused of writing on the locker room benches. Ashley seems to want attention and goes about the wrong way to get. You sure got her what she wanted this time. “Oh’ boy mommy, I’m on WAFF 48 news that will really make everyone start liking me”.

I’m not saying my daughter and the other dozen girls are angels. They don’t get as dramatic and starving for attention as Ashley does. You have done more damage than good by mishandling this situation.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I'll add here for Elijah's sake that in my experience with my own kids, once the administration was aware & got involved, the issue was usually handled well. However, this is not always the case that needs to be admitted by those administrations who do not want to get involved out of fear.


Joy, I am proud that your cases was handled well, but I can name SOOOO many that didnt turn out well. I KNOW of kids who turned the "other" direction because of bullies. I have seen so much it makes me want to throw up.

The only thing I can give school's credit for is that sometimes they DO run across parents who they just cannot please. But most good parents try hard to work with schools to see that their kids get a good education.

Just ONE example I will use here is that a jock, a GOOD jock harassed ANY girl he wanted to, touched them, made horrible comments to them. This jock was reported time and again by parents... Think the school did anything? NOPE, nothing, just helped him get a college scholorship for football.

That is just one single example of what I have seen and KNOW for a fact.
Do all of you people not have anything better to do. I had to get online and read this because this mess is all I have heard about. Let these parents and these kids deal with this and quit building up anomosity among everybody in the community. Mr. Peeples, I am sure you are concerned for you daughter, but creating a public war only makes it worse for her. I am a BHS Graduate and I LOVE THE SCHOOL. My kids are a part of the school and we are not the ELITE group as you so call it. I would be willing to bet there are 2 sides to each incident. Use the faculty and the Superintendent to fix this problem and leave "BROOKS HIGH SCHOOL" alone. It is a good school - yes, it has faults, but name one that doesn't. Good luck in your quest, but for the rest of you people -- get a life and let it go.
KS, as I said, this is not true in all cases and the administrations that don't get involved out of fear need to admit that.

I am NOT saying Brooks has done that because from Mr. Peeples own account, it was the coach & the girls involved he has a problem with. The administration at Brooks are handling the problem well.
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Originally posted by gregandkelli:
Do all of you people not have anything better to do. I had to get online and read this because this mess is all I have heard about. Let these parents and these kids deal with this and quit building up anomosity among everybody in the community. Mr. Peeples, I am sure you are concerned for you daughter, but creating a public war only makes it worse for her. I am a BHS Graduate and I LOVE THE SCHOOL. My kids are a part of the school and we are not the ELITE group as you so call it. I would be willing to bet there are 2 sides to each incident. Use the faculty and the Superintendent to fix this problem and leave "BROOKS HIGH SCHOOL" alone. It is a good school - yes, it has faults, but name one that doesn't. Good luck in your quest, but for the rest of you people -- get a life and let it go.


If you'd take the time to actually read what he wrote, you'd know he had nothing but praise for Brooks. His problem is with the coach and the kids involved. He came on after the discussion was in place, btw. This is a public forum and if you don't want to discuss the news as well as issues that effect this area, you may leave at any time.
It would be so great if the parents would get involved...the only parents we ever see are the parents of students who make good grades.
We spend a lot of our class time dealing with the three or four difficult children in class, taking precious teaching time away from others. At private schools they would be dismissed from school.
The parents of difficult children are usually the ones who had difficulty in school themselves, so they are negative from the beginning.
We have signs on our halls, and our bulletin boards so the kids know who to see, we use the first 5 minutes of class each day for this type of situation...we make note of bullying and we take it very seriously when we know about it..
We do have poor administrators and teachers
who don't take the time they should for this...they are found out and are usually relegated to positions of less responsibility...
We have teachers in the halls at change of class, and teachers assigned to parking lots before and after school...
We do our best for your kids, in all facets of their lives...and I guess I am defensive because I know how hard we work at it and the public remains caustic..
Sometimes the problems of these kids are overwhelming....there are no easy answers.
If you are having difficulty with your child at his/her school and you make it known, and nothing is done ...then it should be taken as far as you can take it to get the problem solved...there is no excuse for incompetence...But we cannot fix a problem if we dont know about it...
This happens at all schools. Unfortunately, these incidents don't always get solved in a timely manner, and the situation worsens. Ashley is lucky to have parents who are involved. We obviously don't know the whole situation, as the other side isn't being told. But at least her parents are listening to her. That's all a child needs sometimes.

Mark mentioned cyber-bullying, and as silly as it sounds, many children have ended their lives as a result of being bullied by kids at school through text messages, instant messages, myspace, etc. Just go to www.mydeathspace.com and search "bullies." There are at least two documented cases on there, and many more cases reported in other areas of the country.

Not all kids are lucky to have parents who care or get involved. Monitoring children might seem like an invasion of privacy, but it's crucial to keeping them safe.

When I was in high school (not too long ago) I was bullied by girls on the basketball team all the time. My name was written on the walls, much like Ashley's. My gym shoes were stolen countless times and I would get in trouble instead of the thieves because I didn't have proper gym attire. There is a severe disconnect here, and the gym teachers, as someone stated above, seem to care more about the athletes than the other students. I learned line dancing in high school PE (how's that for fitness) while the basketball and softball team got to go outside and goof off.

I guess the point to all this rambling is that kids will be kids. But parents AND teachers have to step in and discipline them. It takes a village. As cliche as that is, it's true. Playing the blame game won't solve anything. Even if this child is receiving this bullying as a form of retaliation, should these girls act this way? No! They should report this behavior.

I can't believe this graffiti was left up longer than a day. The school should be ashamed. More monitoring is needed on the parts of the parents and faculty. It's a shame that these children have to go through this, but it's worse that nothing is done about it!
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Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
Mark, Someone has been giving you false information or you are making false statements on your own accord. Your wife and daughter was band from youth football in 2005 because your wife but her hands on another little girl. That is a fact, I know because I’m a cheerleader mom and I was there!

I have known your daughter and wife for 3 years. Ashley has always instigated trouble and then when other girls retaliate she calls mommy and mommy over reacts. That is another fact that can be documented. I have told my daughter to stay away from Ashley and not to communicate with her for that very reason. Ashley would keep calling the house, knowing that that my daughter was not to talk to her. They would wind up being friends again and then the same thing would happen all over.

Ashley uses vulgar language and then blames the other girls for starting it. I don’t think a dozen girls could be wrong about the way Ashley conducts herself. Ashley has also been accused of writing on the locker room benches. Ashley seems to want attention and goes about the wrong way to get. You sure got her what she wanted this time. “Oh’ boy mommy, I’m on WAFF 48 news that will really make everyone start liking me”.

I’m not saying my daughter and the other dozen girls are angels. They don’t get as dramatic and starving for attention as Ashley does. You have done more damage than good by mishandling this situation.


I mean no disrespect to you. I do not know nor do I need to know the specifics of what going on between these girls, but what I do know is this. There is NO excuse for vandalism. They should be punished for this. There is also no excuse for threats of death. I don't know who did what and that's not necessary information for anyone on these boards. The only thing the public is concerned about is how this is handled now. Will the appropriate measures be taken? Some of the members here have kids at Brooks. I have a kid in a county school. It is very much a real concern that matters concerning this area's children are taken seriously.
Joy, you said all this so very well!!!

HomicidalLlama, you made some great points as to the REALITY of school now days.

gregandkelli.. nice to meet you, and glad you joined just to make a comment about this Smiler

Elijah... I am with you, parents could get more involved, IF they weren't out busting their rears trying to feed, cloth, and shelter the kids... School is what YOU get paid for.
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Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
Mark, Someone has been giving you false information or you are making false statements on your own accord. Your wife and daughter was band from youth football in 2005 because your wife but her hands on another little girl. That is a fact, I know because I’m a cheerleader mom and I was there!


If your side of the story is true, would you have us believe that this should lead to or excuses vengeful bullying, vanalism, and even death threats? No one ever said Ashley is completely innocent here, but it is very clear that the others girls are guilty of severe misconduct that could never be warranted by conduct of another person.

What ever happened to turn the other cheek?

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I have known your daughter and wife for 3 years. Ashley has always instigated trouble and then when other girls retaliate she calls mommy and mommy over reacts. That is another fact that can be documented. I have told my daughter to stay away from Ashley and not to communicate with her for that very reason. Ashley would keep calling the house, knowing that that my daughter was not to talk to her. They would wind up being friends again and then the same thing would happen all over.


What kind of documentation could possibly exist for "mommy overreacting"? Sounds like someone is a bit defensive and calling Ashley a tattle tell instead of finding any fault on those that bully her.

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Ashley uses vulgar language and then blames the other girls for starting it. I don’t think a dozen girls could be wrong about the way Ashley conducts herself. Ashley has also been accused of writing on the locker room benches. Ashley seems to want attention and goes about the wrong way to get. You sure got her what she wanted this time. “Oh’ boy mommy, I’m on WAFF 48 news that will really make everyone start liking me”.

I’m not saying my daughter and the other dozen girls are angels. They don’t get as dramatic and starving for attention as Ashley does. You have done more damage than good by mishandling this situation.


You're not saying their angels, but you definetely stoped short of saying that anyone else did anything wrong. Trying to shift blame from the bullies to the victim doesn't get us anywhere.

I'm sure Ashley may have made some of the bullying worse from time to time, but no behavior on Ashley's part would ever excuse the behavior of the other girls. I dare you to argue that point without proving that you are completely ignorant.
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Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
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Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
Mr. Peebles, I cannot help but believe that you are not telling the entire true story or that you are naïve. I have a son and two daughters that attend Brooks High. All three of them know Ashley well. She is playing you and your wife like a well-tuned fiddle. Ashley has been calling other girls sluts and whores since the forth grade. She has also been accused of stealing by several people.

I went to a Brooks youth football game the year before last where your daughter was a cheerleader. I remember the Killen police being called and your daughter and wife being removed and banned from attending any more youth football events that year. Your wife grabbed a little girl and it was because of Ashley’s inability to interact with other girls. You and your wife need to do some more investigating.
Your wife went to Brooks High at the beginning of this school year and got into a verbal confrontation with a black girl. Your wife shouted at the girl and said to her, “ Why don’t you take your black ass back to Africa”. With that kind of language coming from a parent you must wonder about the child.

How could you allow the media to publicly use your daughter’s name? In my opinion that was a foolish thing to do, but it is your child and you are a media person yourself.

I will say it once again, investigate your daughter’s behavior and stop being naïve.


I wanted to add that the Brooks High School faculty does a great job. Teachers should not have to baby sit children once they get to high school. The parents should be the ones taking care of that issue at home. GREAT JOB BROOKS FACULTY! Don't let this misguided media attention bother you. If anything maybe the truth will come out and work in your favor.

I totally disagree with your last statement. No one and I mean no one should have to attend school and worry about being threatened or assaulted. It is the teachers and facualties job to ensure the safety of our children while in their care. Failure to do so, shows that the facualty is doing a horrible job with children their. I child can not be expected to learn under such conditions. If Ashley did the things you have stated, and the things done to Ashley are true, then both sides need to be dealt with by the school accordingly. But, please do not praise a school for doing nothing when children are being harrassed and assualted.In most states this would be a law suit in the millions against the school and it's board. Again it is the job of the teachers and employess of Brooks to protect the children.
Some of you may or may not know, realize but at the beginning of the school year, each student/family is asked by state law to sign acknowledgement of the conduct/displine for certain offenses. This is also to be signed by a school offical. This has/is been accepted as a simple contract in some courts and opens the door for criminal and/or civil action against school officials who fail to respond/report incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agency.

There are two things that most schools fear more than anything else. Bad publicity and lawsuits. Both are damaging and no one really wins except for the attorneys.
After reading Jumunjijojo's reply here I have to say that I looked at Bamasunshine's comment differently.

Bamasunshine, for goodness sake, you are talking about a span where these girls were age 9-12, and what is so unusual about their behavior at that age?

Are we at the point now where we are expecting our children to act like 50 year olds? Or expect our parents NOT to react when something bad is happening to our children.

If that is the points you wanted to make, they mean ABSOLUTELY nothing to me, and you are not a very nice person for even posting that comment that only contained more cruelty.... IF you are a parent to one of those "bullies" then NOW I KNOW WHY YOUR CHILD IS A BULLY...

'nuff said.
sdaubbuster... I could NOT agree with you more, that is what I have been trying to say, but you said it SOOOOO well, thank you so much for that comment!!!

Brooks HS- is wrong, and in my opinion, according to the comments here, they are definitely open for civl liability to allow this brutality to go on and do nothing but MAKE EXCUSES.............ya know???

If any of us allowed one of our children to treat another one of our children like that at HOME, then DHR, The Sheriff, and every cop around would be at our door taking the kids away.

Schools SHOULD be held accountable for what happens on "their watch"... just as said in one single example earlier about a school doing nothing to stop sexual harassment by a star football play... UGH!!!

All this is just too sad for words, and I hope the Peeples family goes as far as they can go to protect Ashley!!!!!
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Originally posted by jcolco:
Some of you may or may not know, realize but at the beginning of the school year, each student/family is asked by state law to sign acknowledgement of the conduct/displine for certain offenses. This is also to be signed by a school offical. This has/is been accepted as a simple contract in some courts and opens the door for criminal and/or civil action against school officials who fail to respond/report incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agency.

There are two things that most schools fear more than anything else. Bad publicity and lawsuits. Both are damaging and no one really wins except for the attorneys.


Looks like Brooks has something to worry about then, right? Hmmm, if nothing else but bad publicity, and they have plenty here.

But one thing I disagree on, is that EMPLOYEES of Brooks has come on this thread taking up for every body but Ashley... seems like that definitely broke contracts signed... besides, NO ONE can sign their FUTURE away, they can sign something today that they won't do, but if anything happens, that contract can be broken, very easily... legalities are REALITIES, dont y'all think???
does anyone remember the tv movie made about the murder in Texas,I think it was, by a mother over their daughters cheerleading careers(like high school cheerleading is ones life calling) several years back?
Anyway, i went back and re-read this entire thread. It really turns my stomach. here are some points i would like for someone in the "kmow" of the situation clarify,since reference continues to be made on some of the points.
1. Did any of the girls who NOW claim Ashley instigated trouble ever report this and address it in the manner according to policy?
2. If the answer to the above is a "no", then WHAT purpose does it serve the situation as it is presented now?
3 Were the other girls involved ever have their life threatened by Ashley? If so WHY was this not addressed as it should have been?
4. Since it has been brought up that police have been involved previously ,were there charges? If there were charges WHY did any of the other girls parent continue to allow their children to be associated with Ashley,or her mother?
Where is the cheerleaders coach during ALL of this? What and HOW MUCH knowledge was given AS IT HAPPENED?
Now this entire situation appears to been allowed to escalate and get out of control.BY the PARENTS as well as the children.The drama factor comes into play here.

I agree with everyone else, no child should have to be subjected to life threats or bullying,on any level!There is a big difference between a child instagating the usual teenage mouthing and actually threatening another persons LIFE! And let me assure all of you THAT IS NO GOSSIPING,MOUTHING MATTER. That is serious business! THAT CAN AND DOES INVOLVE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, SHOULD THE PEEPLES FAMILY WISH TO PERSURE THAT ROUTE.
Just maybe it is time to think of cleaning the entire cheerleading troupe and start over.And i am going to back up on my suggestion of the girls made to do community service,,to add ALL the parents involved as well! No captains,no leaders either, just side-by-side doing trash pickup along HWY 72!
I certainly hope not a one of those girls involved are coming to this forum and reading ANY of this forum. It would simply feed some over stuffed teenage egos .
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Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
Mark, Someone has been giving you false information or you are making false statements on your own accord. Your wife and daughter was band from youth football in 2005 because your wife but her hands on another little girl. That is a fact, I know because I’m a cheerleader mom and I was there!

I have known your daughter and wife for 3 years. Ashley has always instigated trouble and then when other girls retaliate she calls mommy and mommy over reacts. That is another fact that can be documented. I have told my daughter to stay away from Ashley and not to communicate with her for that very reason. Ashley would keep calling the house, knowing that that my daughter was not to talk to her. They would wind up being friends again and then the same thing would happen all over.

Ashley uses vulgar language and then blames the other girls for starting it. I don’t think a dozen girls could be wrong about the way Ashley conducts herself. Ashley has also been accused of writing on the locker room benches. Ashley seems to want attention and goes about the wrong way to get. You sure got her what she wanted this time. “Oh’ boy mommy, I’m on WAFF 48 news that will really make everyone start liking me”.

I’m not saying my daughter and the other dozen girls are angels. They don’t get as dramatic and starving for attention as Ashley does. You have done more damage than good by mishandling this situation.


I've already invited Bama Sunshine to present evidence of what she is saying about my wife and me. I encourage it as I was unaware we had done such things and would like to see it myself. Maybe she should grab a dictionary and take a gander at the definition for "libel".

To those who've had the privilege of reading her intellectually stimulating posts...please refer to my very detailed rebuttals. Again, Bama, "libel"....

Oh...by the way...another case of physical violence this afternoon (12/14) at BHS...INSTIGATED BY SOME OF THE VERY SAME GIRLS WE INFORMED THE SYSTEM WERE CAUSING MUCH OF THE BULLYING TOWARD ASHLEY!!!... ON SCHOOL GROUNDS!!!...AND BAMA...ASHLEY WASN'T EVEN THERE TODAY!! DID SHE SOMEHOW CAUSE THAT TO?? Maybe you've got some additional soap opera script for this!!??
smurph, you are very right in most of what you said. To me, it sounds like around 3 years ago, it WAS just drama, and if it had been addressed by parents/school, maybe it would have ended... but you know, havent you ever seen or heard a kid NOT want parents to get involved because they believe in their little hearts that it will make the bullying worse when the parent isn't around.. THAT is a reality also.

Mark.. I admire your courage, I admire your honesty, and I admire the fact that you challenged bamasunshine, and of course, she didnt take you up on that one. We can see that...

And as for what happened today.... What DID happen today??? And why doesnt TimesDaily send a reporter out there to publish the NEWS... oh, I forgot, local news isn't all that important to TD.

Anyway... Mark, you and your wife, go forward, don't back down because that would teach Ashley that the only way to handle BULLIES is to back down from them.

I admire you guys for being so open, so honest, and God bless you all, and My heart goes out to Ashley, she is but a mere baby, just starting out, and life, as she knows it, is just TOO hard on her.... TOO hard, no fair!!! She deserves to be treated with respect and dignity in school, just like I am sure she is at home. You have me convinced now.
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Originally posted by themax:
My, My, My Goodness, as I posted before this is a topic that SHOULD NOT be in a public forum. Please settle this in private,Not in ciberspace.


themax, are you the "bully" of the forums, telling us what we can and cannot discuss? If so, did I ever tell you that I don't take too kindly to being bullied??? Wink

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