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Bush believes in evolution; doesn't believe in Bible literally

Rock and Roll Means WellRock and Roll Means WellHall of Famer
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So, I'm left to ask, were evangelicals "taken for a ride" on the Rovian express?

None of us should blindly vote for someone because of what they "say" they do or don't believe or even what we assume they believe.

Most papers are reporting that evangelicals are shocked by Bush's latest statements regarding the Bible and evolution.

If you are even slightly shocked, you were precisely the target audience Rove used as a pawn.

Your faith was ultimately used against you to elect a man who obviously didn't share the same values as you did.

I'm not saying either belief is bad.

I'm only pointing out that just because someone claims to be righteous and Christian doesn't mean the same thing to everyone.

THINK about who you vote for instead of basing your vote SOLELY on someone else's faith.

Most of us already do this, but I know a few on this forum vote solely on the "Christian" label politicians so readily pin upon themselves.

Is it possible even the most Christian man of all might not flaunt it or parade it around?

It would be nice to know that a large group, such as evangelicals, weren't taken advantage of by politicians. But it happens--to them and every other group at some point in time.

Just trying to raise awareness to the fact that even evangelicals can be duped.

And all of this is just my opinion....
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Rock and Roll Means WellRock and Roll Means WellHall of Famer
Yes, I agree with you HR.

But, the point is that evangelical Christians (not just Christians in general) did not know this obvious fact of Bush's faith and worldview.

For 8 years, people have seriously not known this?

It's more startling to me that people are shocked.

I'm not a bit surprised that Bush believes what he does, and I'm not saying it is right or wrong in any sense. It's HIS faith and HIS belief.

But, how could people have so vigorously supported a man who they said shared the exact same beliefs as they did, and now be so shocked by this latest interview?

It seems that either they misunderstood his faith and beliefs all along, or they were given misinformation and voted accordingly....
LMMLMMOld Faithful
Some believe wrongly (my opinion only, of course)that evolution and religion cannot go hand in hand, they can and do quite nicely.
I sure there are a lot of shocked people on Obama's side after hearing a Rev. Wright speech. I don't see any mention of a reaction to Bush's statements.
Fundamental Christians will always be shocked, the rest are a bit more understanding.
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
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Originally posted by LMM:
Some believe wrongly (my opinion only, of course)that evolution and religion cannot go hand in hand, they can and do quite nicely.
I sure there are a lot of shocked people on Obama's side after hearing a Rev. Wright speech. I don't see any mention of a reaction to Bush's statements.
Fundamental Christians will always be shocked, the rest are a bit more understanding.


I agree. Especially about the Fundies living in a constant state of shock.
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Don't know about the new accusations against Bush. But LMN, I do not see how anyone who truly believes the Bible can also believe in evolution. It is fiction made up by man. God inspired the Bible and the fact that it states He created man and woman negates the whole theory of evolution.


They are not "accusations". This is from an interview.

Bush: Bible, evolution not at odds
2 days ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President George W. Bush said in an interview Monday that the Bible is "probably not" literally true and that a belief that God created the world is compatible with the theory of evolution.

"I think you can have both," Bush, who leaves office January 20, told ABC television, adding "You're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president."

But "evolution is an interesting subject. I happen to believe that evolution doesn't fully explain the mystery of life," said the president, an outspoken Christian who often invokes God in his speeches.

"I think that God created the Earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution," he told ABC television.

Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied: "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."

"The important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" he said.


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S SeaweedPost Master
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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Don't know about the new accusations against Bush. But LMN, I do not see how anyone who truly believes the Bible can also believe in evolution. It is fiction made up by man. God inspired the Bible and the fact that it states He created man and woman negates the whole theory of evolution.

I don't see how anyone who crosses the O'neal Bridge going South and sees that huge bluff that is made of sea creatures that have been extinct for millions of years can believe the Earth is only 6000 years old.
LMMLMMOld Faithful
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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Don't know about the new accusations against Bush. But LMN, I do not see how anyone who truly believes the Bible can also believe in evolution. It is fiction made up by man. God inspired the Bible and the fact that it states He created man and woman negates the whole theory of evolution.

Sorry, evolution occurs all the time, just check science studies of plant or animal mutations and look at the fossil records of pre-historic vs modern life.
If you are one of those who believes the earth is 6,000 years old, nevermind.
S SeaweedPost Master
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Originally posted by autumn1964:
JMHO - God created the world and all in it - in his own time and his own way. Evolution and belief that God created the earth are not necessarily exclusive.

Yep, what Autumn said!
I've posted this before, but many of you newbys probably weren't on the forums then.
When I was in grade school and studying about dinosaurs and pre-history, I recognized that that was in conflict with the Genesis story, so I asked my preacher about it. He was old time Southern Baptist (obviously before the 1980's when the SBC took the denomination into the fundamentalist nutcase wing). He told me that 7 days in the Bible meant "in completion and perfection" and that 7 was used a lot in scripture to mean one or the other of those words. That in fact God could have taken millions of years to do the creation, and therefore scripture and science were not mutually exclusive.
DEENALYNE and some more should listen to the words of the old time preacher, and not the new -aged ones.
LMMLMMOld Faithful
Excel, Exactly.
How else can you explain in Genesis where seeds are thrown out to populate the earth, produce 'each after its kind' and all that-- multiple generations in the millions -- takes one 24 hour cycle?
Same for the oceans, animal life, etc.........If your answer is, "GOD" did it, then why start with seeds? Why not just create everything whole all at once?
BTW, I do beleive in the essence of the Bible, but not a literal translation.
Neal HughesNeal HughesHall of Famer
Let's see: George W. Bush was raised and confirmed in the Episcopal Church, then made the huge shift to the United Methodist -- almost completely the same sect, with only minor differences not worth a spot of warm spit and people are "shocked, shocked I say!" that he is not a biblical literalist or young earth creationist.

People need to visit more than their own chapels more often. You will find few practicing priestcraft in the Anglican, Methodist, Evangelical Lutheran, and Congregational and Roman denominations who are bilbical literalists or even young earth creationists.

To those who are not fundamentalists, this is hardly shocking, rather that people who are fundamentalists such as Huckabee are even accorded any respect at all in a theological sense.

It was very wise to attach oneself to the glories of Falwell/Dobson/etc. without actually having to obtain lockstep in a political senese: people will believe what they wish to believe about a person's religion, pro, con, or indifferent and it will never be truly known.
Rock and Roll Means WellRock and Roll Means WellHall of Famer
I realize I probably should have posted this in the Religion section, BUT Bush is our current President, AND for the past 8 years I have heard over and over and over again that Bush was all but appointed by God.

Now, there is outrage!

It just seems a little....odd....to me for a group to be so outraged.

Maybe, they should evaluate their candidate's views a little closer next time, instead of just taking someone else's (Rove's) word for it.

I'm by no means a biblical literalist, but find the Earth and all within it a spectacular place. I do not find it hard to believe in a Creator.

But when I look in the mirror each day, each week, each month, and each year, I see my very own self evolve!
LMMLMMOld Faithful
Rock,
I have heard no one say Bush was appointed by God, but Obama did say you would have a light shine on you and experience an epiphany to vote for him.

You want to explain that one? Sounds like he was saying, he was anointed for the job!
That must be where all that Messiah crap started, right?

BTW, very few voting people listen to Karl Rove.
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
This topic falls short of my "who cares?" threshhold. Why is Bush's belief in evolution fair game, but whether or not Obama is at least a closet moslem completely taboo?


Easy - because Obama is NOT a Muslim.


Yeah and neither was the other Hussien. I guess he only wore those robes after getting out of the shower. Smiler
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
This topic falls short of my "who cares?" threshhold. Why is Bush's belief in evolution fair game, but whether or not Obama is at least a closet moslem completely taboo?


Easy - because Obama is NOT a Muslim.


Where's your proof? I've got a photo.


Oh, please. I have a photo of a flying saucer landing in my backyard. Keep trying. Offer any proof you may have that Obama is a Muslim which can be verified. Does he kneel and pray while facing Mecca four times a day? What mosque does he attend? How was he married? Was he sworn in using a Quran? (no). Offer up some substantial proof of your claim more than some photo you located on the internet or which some right-wing nut-job forwarded to you.
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I interventor1Post Master
Queen snake,

Rather like your style, if not your politics. As to the picture, are you in it, as well? I rather hope it was not Klatu or Gort, those two know how to spoil a party.

Obviously, Obama isn't a muslim, however I'd like to read the speech he plans to give in a muslim country after he's sworn in.

Its five times a day, not four for devout muslims. Right wingers are usually referred to as lug nuts, while left wingers are referred to as Kool-aid drinkers. Rather like the description of lug nut -- they keep the wheels from falling off.

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