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I wanted to post an e-mail that was forwarded to me:

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: President Bush visits Enterprise, AL tornada rubble


I received this from a friend that I met through a mutual CMA couple. If we wish to forward something then please forward this.

There is a man at Ridgecrest Baptist Church here in Dothan who is an
ABI officer. He spoke last night (Sunday March 18, 2007) and told us about having the honor of being paired with one of the secret service men who were with President Bush last Saturday in Enterprise. He said when they started walking through the rubble at the school they came upon four students waiting for the President. They were in an area where on the floor there was a emblem that read EHS Class of 65. When the President approached the students he asked which one of you are the president (I assume president of the student body)? One of the girls kind of raised her hand and said I am then she hung her head and started to cry. President Bush wrapped his arms around her and the other three joined them. Barry, the ABI officer said President Bush started to cry and said "It's tough being the president isn't it." Barry said he talked with them a little longer. He said he was very close to the President but couldn't hear every word that was spoken, but he could tell that the President was quoting scripture. After a while the President started walking again and
said he wanted the emblem preserved whatever it took. The Mayor then spoke up and said they would take care of it and President Bush turned to him and said "I was speaking to the President." I bet that the Mayor closed his mouth then!!! Then President Bush said "by the way where are my children"? The four students who were lagging behind came running up to him and walked the rest of the way over to the church with him.
The media were sent to a different area Barry said. When President Bush got inside the church to meet with the families of those that had been killed the secret serviceman turned to Barry and said this is as far as we go. This is his time with them. Barry then asked him if the President was protected and the secret servicemen said yes, he is protected, but not by us. Barry could hardly contain himself as he was telling us this last night. He said he told the secret service man that he wished everyone could witness what he just did then they could see that the most powerful man in the United States was just another human being, a father, a comforter, a friend and had true compassion for these people.
However, the media does not portray that -- big surprise!
Of course I don't tell this story with the humility that Barry did because he was
there, but I thought you might like to hear it.
"I will treat this person like a gentleman; not because he is, but because I am."
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Now Mr. Presdent you need to hit those knees and pray to God for all the Women and Men you have gotten killed from the War on Weapons of Mass Distruction and Pray for the Famlies.This was a touching story and only the people in Alabama,The Bible belt would think he was so holy after starting a war,getting in bed with the oil companies and promoting drug trafficing with the illegals. I could go on and on but most of the people in Alabama don't have a clue when it comes to whats real in Politics and People using Religon to raise there 29% approveal rate and only Alabamians would be touched by such an act.
No SP--they don't give up...had this been about anyone else I dont know that their opinon would change either.

Thank you for posting this ... we never see enough of his human side in the media, we never hear of the empathy that he has...that girl will remember those words for the rest of her life...not beccause he was the President, but because he spoke the truth from his heart and offerred her comfort...he wasn't quoting scripture for the media to see -- he was speaking God's comfort in a time of need....persecute all you want--the Bible says that will happen as well...
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
To those who have a major issue with the President over the war in Iraq:

Do you think that the US, Iraq, or the world in general would be better off had the US not sent our troops to Iraq? Do you think that had we just sat on our laurels that the terrorists would have done the same? Do you think that the people of Iraq wish we'd just go home so they can have another tyrant dictator take over and abuse them? What are some of your opinions as to how the war situation should have been handled?

To the other Bush-bashers, what is your beef with the Commander in Chief?

I think some people like to whine and moan and complain just to make noise. Reading the same old comments that do nothing but try to tear down this country and what it stand for and berating the President gets old. Some of you need to try and say something constructive for a change.



SmartChick you are my new HERO!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
To those who have a major issue with the President over the war in Iraq:

Do you think that had we just sat on our laurels that the terrorists would have done the same?

To the other Bush-bashers, what is your beef with the Commander in Chief?


First of all, the terrorists were not from Iraq. Osama BinLaden was hiding in Afganistan or maybe Pakistan at that time. He was behind the 9/11 attack.

and as far as what is wrong with Bush, most of us don't have that kind of time. I agree that what he did in Enterprise was very humane and seemed genuine, but that does not negate 6 years of utter stupidity.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
quote:
Originally posted by that smart chick:
To those who have a major issue with the President over the war in Iraq:

Do you think that had we just sat on our laurels that the terrorists would have done the same?

To the other Bush-bashers, what is your beef with the Commander in Chief?


First of all, the terrorists were not from Iraq. Osama BinLaden was hiding in Afganistan or maybe Pakistan at that time. He was behind the 9/11 attack.

and as far as what is wrong with Bush, most of us don't have that kind of time. I agree that what he did in Enterprise was very humane and seemed genuine, but that does not negate 6 years of utter stupidity.


Of course, you are much smarter than GWB and would have done such a better job than he has. I find that very hard to believe. He has had more on his plate than almost any other president in history. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. All in all though, I think he has done a pretty decent job with some really bad issuses to deal with.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
To those who have a major issue with the President over the war in Iraq:

Do you think that had we just sat on our laurels that the terrorists would have done the same?

To the other Bush-bashers, what is your beef with the Commander in Chief?


First of all, the terrorists were not from Iraq. Osama BinLaden was hiding in Afganistan or maybe Pakistan at that time. He was behind the 9/11 attack.

and as far as what is wrong with Bush, most of us don't have that kind of time. I agree that what he did in Enterprise was very humane and seemed genuine, but that does not negate 6 years of utter stupidity.


Of course, you are much smarter than GWB and would have done such a better job than he has. I find that very hard to believe. He has had more on his plate than almost any other president in history. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. All in all though, I think he has done a pretty decent job with some really bad issuses to deal with.



SP--I would dare to say that GWB could run into a burning building with no protection and save a life and people would come up with a way to make him out to be a devil with no humanity. They see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe. I don't think he is perfect at all. I think, like you, he has done the best he could with what he had to work with.

Before 9/11, no one (except those of us in the field) knew how little the CIA, FBI, etc communicated. We were led to believe that our "intel" was the best it could be. Yet when the cracks in the armor began to show and tell the truth behind the lie--people still blamed Bush -- you can only act the what you have in front of you. Just like with each post on this thread--you read it and make a gut-reaction and post ranting and raving (I've done it) about what the person wrote, but sometimes ifyou go back and read the entire THREAD and not just each post in and of itself--you would see your reaction was an Over-reaction. People want to bash Bush -- he's still doing the best he can. His actions in Enterprise, AL gave me even more respect after the email that was posted here.

Katrina was coming and everyone has blamed Bush -- I don't think he acted perfectly, but when the Mayor of NO and the Gov of LA doesn't ask for help--until it was too late--his hands were tied by the bureaucratic red tape. He can't ride in on a white horse when he has to have Congress change a law so he can--they have to debate every issue and bargain behind closed doors to get their hands in the pot before that can happen....you can't foresee what hoops are going to have to be maneuvered to get the help you need until it happens.

It doesn't matter what he does anymore--they will continue to kick him while they think he is down...thing is, he is still running this country and walking with his head held high...I don't know that I could do that after all he has dealt with and the burdens he has borne in the last 2 terms. He is a better man than most.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
quote:
Originally posted by that smart chick:
To those who have a major issue with the President over the war in Iraq:

Do you think that had we just sat on our laurels that the terrorists would have done the same?

To the other Bush-bashers, what is your beef with the Commander in Chief?


First of all, the terrorists were not from Iraq. Osama BinLaden was hiding in Afganistan or maybe Pakistan at that time. He was behind the 9/11 attack.

and as far as what is wrong with Bush, most of us don't have that kind of time. I agree that what he did in Enterprise was very humane and seemed genuine, but that does not negate 6 years of utter stupidity.


I think that you just summed up what almost 78% (today's percentile) of what the American Public thinks!!! Thank you!!!!
You have the audacity to call (GWB)a COMMANDER IN CHIEF! you must be a leader first, and foremost to be commander, and chief, he fits neither. would you go and fight for this charactor? if so, he's looking for a few good men to send right now. In fact he'll send you back time, and again.

And after 30 thousand killed, and wounded American GIs in over 4 yrs, and still GWB has no clue as to what is going on over there and you can still support this guy? Go to Military.com and see what HALIBURTON is up to now. and this is put out by the MILITARY. "ITS SICKENING"

Semper Fi,(carry on citizens!)
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Originally posted by FatNoMo:
I wanted to post an e-mail that was forwarded to me:

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: President Bush visits Enterprise, AL tornada rubble


I received this from a friend that I met through a mutual CMA couple. If we wish to forward something then please forward this.

There is a man at Ridgecrest Baptist Church here in Dothan who is an
ABI officer. He spoke last night (Sunday March 18, 2007) and told us about having the honor of being paired with one of the secret service men who were with President Bush last Saturday in Enterprise. He said when they started walking through the rubble at the school they came upon four students waiting for the President. They were in an area where on the floor there was a emblem that read EHS Class of 65. When the President approached the students he asked which one of you are the president (I assume president of the student body)? One of the girls kind of raised her hand and said I am then she hung her head and started to cry. President Bush wrapped his arms around her and the other three joined them. Barry, the ABI officer said President Bush started to cry and said "It's tough being the president isn't it." Barry said he talked with them a little longer. He said he was very close to the President but couldn't hear every word that was spoken, but he could tell that the President was quoting scripture. After a while the President started walking again and
said he wanted the emblem preserved whatever it took. The Mayor then spoke up and said they would take care of it and President Bush turned to him and said "I was speaking to the President." I bet that the Mayor closed his mouth then!!! Then President Bush said "by the way where are my children"? The four students who were lagging behind came running up to him and walked the rest of the way over to the church with him.
The media were sent to a different area Barry said. When President Bush got inside the church to meet with the families of those that had been killed the secret serviceman turned to Barry and said this is as far as we go. This is his time with them. Barry then asked him if the President was protected and the secret servicemen said yes, he is protected, but not by us. Barry could hardly contain himself as he was telling us this last night. He said he told the secret service man that he wished everyone could witness what he just did then they could see that the most powerful man in the United States was just another human being, a father, a comforter, a friend and had true compassion for these people.
However, the media does not portray that -- big surprise!
Of course I don't tell this story with the humility that Barry did because he was
there, but I thought you might like to hear it.



Thank you for posting something that was POSITIVE ... I needed that today...
If I was able to serve him in any other way than I do right now as an American citizen -- yes, DellDude, he is MY COMMANDER IN CHIEF and I would serve him any day of the week and twice on Sunday because he is the President of my country -- and I FEEL (you have your feelings and I have mine) that is my duty as an American.

So yes I have audacity --
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Originally posted by delete:
I really don't care what 78% of the American public thinks. I don't want a president who makes decisions because they are popular.

Besides just judging from what I see on the roads, t.v. and in the mall about 78% of you guys are dumb asses.


LOL!!! I take it you are in the LOWER 22%????

Popular, no he isn't... smart, I would like to know when... Liar... yep, he does THAT a lot.... so tell me, what is SO good about him that you wanna stay in the bottom percentile???

And ... OH BOY!!! We have ANOTHER judge in the group! Big Grin
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by delete:
I really don't care what 78% of the American public thinks. I don't want a president who makes decisions because they are popular.

Besides just judging from what I see on the roads, t.v. and in the mall about 78% of you guys are dumb asses.


LOL!!! I take it you are in the LOWER 22%????

Popular, no he isn't... smart, I would like to know when... Liar... yep, he does THAT a lot.... so tell me, what is SO good about him that you wanna stay in the bottom percentile???

And ... OH BOY!!! We have ANOTHER judge in the group! Big Grin


You are completely in to bash mode. No need to try and have a calm discussion with you. All you have is "Bush lied" and name calling.
Of course, you are much smarter than GWB and would have done such a better job than he has. I find that very hard to believe. He has had more on his plate than almost any other president in history. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. All in all though, I think he has done a pretty decent job with some really bad issuses to deal with.

Southern Patriot



First of all, you have know idea how smart I a may be. By not knowing me, how could you find that hard to believe? This board is anonymous, so I could be a past president. You don't know and that is your biggest problem, lack of knowledge. I did not say I could do better job, although I don't believe anyone could do much worse. Anyone can be reactive and respond to a situation. It takes a real leader to be PROACTIVE and LEAD a country (or any group for that matter) in the right direction. All I have seen from this little Texan is war-mongering, good ole boy deals and self preservation. He is now and always has been and weak leader and a man with average intelligence and ability.

Everyone wanted to roast Clinton because he admitted to smoking pot while enrolled at Oxford. This president had DUI's and was a cocain user, but that doesn't seem to matter.

I feel that he can be a compassionate man, but that DOES NOT make him a good leader. Being a good indidual and a good leader are far from the same thing. People need to learn to separate the two. The USA does not need a "good man", we need a great leader. GWB is not it.
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Originally posted by Delldude:
You have the audacity to call (GWB)a COMMANDER IN CHIEF! you must be a leader first, and foremost to be commander, and chief, he fits neither. would you go and fight for this charactor? if so, he's looking for a few good men to send right now. In fact he'll send you back time, and again.

And after 30 thousand killed, and wounded American GIs in over 4 yrs, and still GWB has no clue as to what is going on over there and you can still support this guy? Go to Military.com and see what HALIBURTON is up to now. and this is put out by the MILITARY. "ITS SICKENING"

Semper Fi,(carry on citizens!)


I agree with you about him being commander in chief... he is a ONE MAN BAND, and that is IF Cheney LETS him be.

There are about 3200 of our Military dead, and nearly 65,000 innocent Irsqians dead as of last week on FOX NEWS channel 49.

And Yes, Haliburton is definitely going to put the screws to us... BIG TIME... BUT!!!!... just remember WHO he is in business with!!!!!!! Just remember WHO he DOES business with!!!! Also, remember HOW he does business.... yep, he is gonna hurt us really bad before HE is through, and sadly, he is just another scapegoat... a rich one, but still a scapegoat. He don't CARE what happens to him later on, he will have his Billions to fall back on.

GET BIN LADIN!!!!! THAT IS WHO TERRORIZED AMERICA!!!!
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
Of course, you are much smarter than GWB and would have done such a better job than he has. I find that very hard to believe. He has had more on his plate than almost any other president in history. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. All in all though, I think he has done a pretty decent job with some really bad issuses to deal with.

Southern Patriot



First of all, you have know idea how smart I a may be. By not knowing me, how could you find that hard to believe? This board is anonymous, so I could be a past president. You don't know and that is your biggest problem, lack of knowledge. I did not say I could do better job, although I don't believe anyone could do much worse. Anyone can be reactive and respond to a situation. It takes a real leader to be PROACTIVE and LEAD a country (or any group for that matter) in the right direction. All I have seen from this little Texan is war-mongering, good ole boy deals and self preservation. He is now and always has been and weak leader and a man with average intelligence and ability.

Everyone wanted to roast Clinton because he admitted to smoking pot while enrolled at Oxford. This president had DUI's and was a cocain user, but that doesn't seem to matter.

I feel that he can be a compassionate man, but that DOES NOT make him a good leader. Being a good indidual and a good leader are far from the same thing. People need to learn to separate the two. The USA does not need a "good man", we need a great leader. GWB is not it.


I don't know you, but I bet you could do a better job!!! Big Grin
There are few "good men" left in this country, but I still think he is one. That is my opinon and I will hold to that. You are entitled to your opinion -- call me names and bash me for mine all you want...I don't regret casting my vote for him in Novemer or 2004 and would do it again today. I'm in that 28% and will stay there until his term ends.

Again, you are entitled to your opinon and I am entitled to mine...so bash away...
Delldude, keep on using your Semper FI ... THAT TELLS me you were a Marine, and it tells me you ARE an American... and it tells me that you can open your eyes and think for yourself... that your brain wasn't washed... I am proud of you!!! I have a bunch of other friends who are NOW military, and they feel just like you do!!!!
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Originally posted by stephanie:
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Originally posted by FatNoMo:
I wanted to post an e-mail that was forwarded to me:

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: President Bush visits Enterprise, AL tornada rubble


I received this from a friend that I met through a mutual CMA couple. If we wish to forward something then please forward this.

There is a man at Ridgecrest Baptist Church here in Dothan who is an
ABI officer. He spoke last night (Sunday March 18, 2007) and told us about having the honor of being paired with one of the secret service men who were with President Bush last Saturday in Enterprise. He said when they started walking through the rubble at the school they came upon four students waiting for the President. They were in an area where on the floor there was a emblem that read EHS Class of 65. When the President approached the students he asked which one of you are the president (I assume president of the student body)? One of the girls kind of raised her hand and said I am then she hung her head and started to cry. President Bush wrapped his arms around her and the other three joined them. Barry, the ABI officer said President Bush started to cry and said "It's tough being the president isn't it." Barry said he talked with them a little longer. He said he was very close to the President but couldn't hear every word that was spoken, but he could tell that the President was quoting scripture. After a while the President started walking again and
said he wanted the emblem preserved whatever it took. The Mayor then spoke up and said they would take care of it and President Bush turned to him and said "I was speaking to the President." I bet that the Mayor closed his mouth then!!! Then President Bush said "by the way where are my children"? The four students who were lagging behind came running up to him and walked the rest of the way over to the church with him.
The media were sent to a different area Barry said. When President Bush got inside the church to meet with the families of those that had been killed the secret serviceman turned to Barry and said this is as far as we go. This is his time with them. Barry then asked him if the President was protected and the secret servicemen said yes, he is protected, but not by us. Barry could hardly contain himself as he was telling us this last night. He said he told the secret service man that he wished everyone could witness what he just did then they could see that the most powerful man in the United States was just another human being, a father, a comforter, a friend and had true compassion for these people.
However, the media does not portray that -- big surprise!
Of course I don't tell this story with the humility that Barry did because he was
there, but I thought you might like to hear it.



Sorry to keep re-posting -- I just don't want the original GOOD thought of this thread to get lost in all the other posts...this was too good...

Thank you for posting something that was POSITIVE ... I needed that today...
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
Of course, you are much smarter than GWB and would have done such a better job than he has. I find that very hard to believe. He has had more on his plate than almost any other president in history. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. All in all though, I think he has done a pretty decent job with some really bad issuses to deal with.

Southern Patriot



First of all, you have know idea how smart I a may be. By not knowing me, how could you find that hard to believe? This board is anonymous, so I could be a past president. You don't know and that is your biggest problem, lack of knowledge. I did not say I could do better job, although I don't believe anyone could do much worse. Anyone can be reactive and respond to a situation. It takes a real leader to be PROACTIVE and LEAD a country (or any group for that matter) in the right direction. All I have seen from this little Texan is war-mongering, good ole boy deals and self preservation. He is now and always has been and weak leader and a man with average intelligence and ability.

Everyone wanted to roast Clinton because he admitted to smoking pot while enrolled at Oxford. This president had DUI's and was a cocain user, but that doesn't seem to matter.

I feel that he can be a compassionate man, but that DOES NOT make him a good leader. Being a good indidual and a good leader are far from the same thing. People need to learn to separate the two. The USA does not need a "good man", we need a great leader. GWB is not it.


Everyone has a certain amount of compassion in them... well, unless you want to read back some threads and see some REAL bashing, lol...

Anyway... I think Bush IS capable of compassion, and especially so if there is a camera on him, or it is going to be reported to the Press...
I believe that if you will check, some of the terrorists were trained in Iraq. There were WMDs there until the war started. I remember a news spot where one of the Hussein Adm. said they were shipped to Syria. Do you remember the chemicals that were found buried near a stream that can be used in mustard gas as well as fertilizer. You know that were given the benefit of the doubt as it was going to be used as fertilizer. Check with the local farmers and see if they bury their fertilizer, I don't think so. Do you remember the recent Chlorine gas attacks? What is next? Wake up in the real world. Do you know for sure that Osama was in Afghanistan when the war started? Oh yeah, you also mentioned Pakistan so you really do not know where he was. Do you think we should attack Pakistan? Some one posted 30,000 GIs killed. I may not be good at English, but I know my math. That should be revised down to a little over 3,000 in 4 years. More than that was killed in one day during WWII. I think if you will check the stats, Detroit and Iraq are about even on killings.

Oscar Wilde wrote Fairy Tales
quote:
Originally posted by FatNoMo:
I wanted to post an e-mail that was forwarded to me:

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: President Bush visits Enterprise, AL tornada rubble


I received this from a friend that I met through a mutual CMA couple. If we wish to forward something then please forward this.

There is a man at Ridgecrest Baptist Church here in Dothan who is an
ABI officer. He spoke last night (Sunday March 18, 2007) and told us about having the honor of being paired with one of the secret service men who were with President Bush last Saturday in Enterprise. He said when they started walking through the rubble at the school they came upon four students waiting for the President. They were in an area where on the floor there was a emblem that read EHS Class of 65. When the President approached the students he asked which one of you are the president (I assume president of the student body)? One of the girls kind of raised her hand and said I am then she hung her head and started to cry. President Bush wrapped his arms around her and the other three joined them. Barry, the ABI officer said President Bush started to cry and said "It's tough being the president isn't it." Barry said he talked with them a little longer. He said he was very close to the President but couldn't hear every word that was spoken, but he could tell that the President was quoting scripture. After a while the President started walking again and
said he wanted the emblem preserved whatever it took. The Mayor then spoke up and said they would take care of it and President Bush turned to him and said "I was speaking to the President." I bet that the Mayor closed his mouth then!!! Then President Bush said "by the way where are my children"? The four students who were lagging behind came running up to him and walked the rest of the way over to the church with him.
The media were sent to a different area Barry said. When President Bush got inside the church to meet with the families of those that had been killed the secret serviceman turned to Barry and said this is as far as we go. This is his time with them. Barry then asked him if the President was protected and the secret servicemen said yes, he is protected, but not by us. Barry could hardly contain himself as he was telling us this last night. He said he told the secret service man that he wished everyone could witness what he just did then they could see that the most powerful man in the United States was just another human being, a father, a comforter, a friend and had true compassion for these people.
However, the media does not portray that -- big surprise!
Of course I don't tell this story with the humility that Barry did because he was
there, but I thought you might like to hear it.



Sorry to keep re-posting -- I just don't want the original GOOD thought of this thread to get lost in all the other posts...this was too good...

Thank you for posting something that was POSITIVE ... I needed that today...[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
Of course, you are much smarter than GWB and would have done such a better job than he has. I find that very hard to believe. He has had more on his plate than almost any other president in history. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. All in all though, I think he has done a pretty decent job with some really bad issuses to deal with.

Southern Patriot



First of all, you have know idea how smart I a may be. By not knowing me, how could you find that hard to believe? This board is anonymous, so I could be a past president. You don't know and that is your biggest problem, lack of knowledge. I did not say I could do better job, although I don't believe anyone could do much worse. Anyone can be reactive and respond to a situation. It takes a real leader to be PROACTIVE and LEAD a country (or any group for that matter) in the right direction. All I have seen from this little Texan is war-mongering, good ole boy deals and self preservation. He is now and always has been and weak leader and a man with average intelligence and ability.

Everyone wanted to roast Clinton because he admitted to smoking pot while enrolled at Oxford. This president had DUI's and was a cocain user, but that doesn't seem to matter.

I feel that he can be a compassionate man, but that DOES NOT make him a good leader. Being a good indidual and a good leader are far from the same thing. People need to learn to separate the two. The USA does not need a "good man", we need a great leader. GWB is not it.


I don't know you, but I bet you could do a better job!!! Big Grin


Thank you, very much! DHS-86 in '08!!!!
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Originally posted by Old Man4:
I believe that if you will check, some of the terrorists were trained in Iraq. There were WMDs there until the war started. I remember a news spot where one of the Hussein Adm. said they were shipped to Syria. Do you remember the chemicals that were found buried near a stream that can be used in mustard gas as well as fertilizer. You know that were given the benefit of the doubt as it was going to be used as fertilizer. Check with the local farmers and see if they bury their fertilizer, I don't think so. Do you remember the recent Chlorine gas attacks? What is next? Wake up in the real world. Do you know for sure that Osama was in Afghanistan when the war started? Oh yeah, you also mentioned Pakistan so you really do not know where he was. Do you think we should attack Pakistan? Some one posted 30,000 GIs killed. I may not be good at English, but I know my math. That should be revised down to a little over 3,000 in 4 years. More than that was killed in one day during WWII. I think if you will check the stats, Detroit and Iraq are about even on killings.

Oscar Wilde wrote Fairy Tales


Oh they found some chemicals.... ALL countries have those, sad but true... but the really sad thing is with just a LITTLE bit of research you can find out where Saddam BOUGHT those chemicals... He had no nukes... but Iran does, or so they say.

They may have moved some of their weaponry to Syria, I don't doubt that, but if that is true, why did we not "chase that trail"??? Instead, we became one of the most hated countries in the world, labeled bullies, and all that stuff...

Someone I know from the SSA said that he and his wife always took a cruise, or had visited several tourist countries in the past, but now, due to all that is going on, and how much Americans are hated, that they would no longer get off of American soil... for fear of their lives...

Since I am not one to travel anymore (not since being a Military dependant), I have never, nor will I ever go overseas, ..... anywhere.

Things sure have changed in the last few years... and that is very sad Frowner
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
Of course, you are much smarter than GWB and would have done such a better job than he has. I find that very hard to believe. He has had more on his plate than almost any other president in history. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. All in all though, I think he has done a pretty decent job with some really bad issuses to deal with.

Southern Patriot



First of all, you have know idea how smart I a may be. By not knowing me, how could you find that hard to believe? This board is anonymous, so I could be a past president. You don't know and that is your biggest problem, lack of knowledge. I did not say I could do better job, although I don't believe anyone could do much worse. Anyone can be reactive and respond to a situation. It takes a real leader to be PROACTIVE and LEAD a country (or any group for that matter) in the right direction. All I have seen from this little Texan is war-mongering, good ole boy deals and self preservation. He is now and always has been and weak leader and a man with average intelligence and ability.

Everyone wanted to roast Clinton because he admitted to smoking pot while enrolled at Oxford. This president had DUI's and was a cocain user, but that doesn't seem to matter.

I feel that he can be a compassionate man, but that DOES NOT make him a good leader. Being a good indidual and a good leader are far from the same thing. People need to learn to separate the two. The USA does not need a "good man", we need a great leader. GWB is not it.


I don't know you, but I bet you could do a better job!!! Big Grin


Thank you, very much! DHS-86 in '08!!!!


Your common sense level has already convinced me!!! Ya got at least 2 votes so far, yours and mine... now ya gotta talk your wife into it! haha
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
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one of the most hated countries in the world


If that were true we wouldn't have this huge problem with illegal immigration.


Just go to one of the local Mexican Resturants and talk to one of the REAL Mexicans... they will tell you that they are only here for a SHORT TIME!!! They come over here, they work their fingers to the bone for as long as they feel "safe", and EVERY SINGLE pay check comes to them, at least 75% of it is SENT TO MEXICO!!!

And the middle east loves our COLLEGES, CONVENIENCE STORES and MOTELS... but just ask some of them what they REALLY Think of Americans...

You might be surprised at WHY people are illegals... it isn't ALWAYS for the selfish idea that we are so great, it is to USE our funds, or our educational facilities, or to get tax-exempt businesses for 3 years, ... then of course, after 3 years they SELL to UNCLE JD!!...

If they came with the right heart, with the right mind-set, then things would be a little easier to stomach... but they come to GET our money, and SEND it to another country... ... how fair is that???? And the problem still sits in our very doorsteps... Frowner
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
My next door neighbors are REAL Mexicans. They and their family live here, work here, and spend their money here. They love America and they are Americans. If all Americans loved this country as much they do then it would be a very different country than the one that we live in today. It would be like the country that our fathers and their fathers before them grew up in. The one where people would stand up for their President, the Commander in Chief, and support him - especially when our nation was at war.


Very good point chick!!!
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
My next door neighbors are REAL Mexicans. They and their family live here, work here, and spend their money here. They love America and they are Americans. If all Americans loved this country as much they do then it would be a very different country than the one that we live in today. It would be like the country that our fathers and their fathers before them grew up in. The one where people would stand up for their President, the Commander in Chief, and support him - especially when our nation was at war.


Oh ... sorry, I wasn't talking about the ones who actually are looking to make this HOME, because I know a lot of them too, even applied for their citizenship BEFORE all this debating started.

I am talking about the younger group, coming on a nightly basis, renting a small apt, or house, and allowing 10-20 to live there... all the while each and every one of them are sending the biggest part of their earnings back to Mexico... and they also have plans to return. But from what they make here, they can actually build a home, and also put in their own business... so they do not mind spending a couple of years sleeping on floors, in sleeping bags, in vehicles, just as long as their family in Mexico are taken care of and have things ready for them when they go back HOME.

Those are the ones I am talking about, and those are the hundreds coming in daily.

The people who live next to you are Americans... or that is what you said, so they are not ILLEGALS... I was talking about the ILLEGALS.
Why is it that whenever people take Bush's side, they can never give a REALLY GOOD reason for doing so?

You always hear that he has faced so much more than any other president, but then you read where he has taken more time for "vacation" than any other president. Any compassionate person can cry with kids that have just lost their classmates, but that doesn't make them a great leader. None of the people have said Bush was not compassionate. He has a proven track record of stupidity. He's a great leader, well, he has led us into the biggest blunder in history, this Iraqi war. The people of Iraq are so much better now......have you ever seen footage of Iraq BEFORE our invasion? The people of Iraq were not terrified to venture outside PRIOR to our invasion. We have invaded that country, killed the leader and his sons (which should be a war crime) and yet the people responsible for the 9/11 killings go free. Why did we kill Saddam? Because he was a tyrant? Our same government sits back while genocide still goes on in Africa! We are the laughing stock of the world. We are now looked upon as idiots when we travel abroad, a direct comparison of all Americans to our stupid leader. We used to command respect, now we are looked down upon. Even our allies are starting to see just how huge a mistake Iraq has been.

When someone questions you as to WHY to support Bush, you come back with attacks on them personally........don't ask, don't tell......that was a typical Bush supporter reply. The reason being is that they can not honestly give a decent reason for their support of the idiot we call our President. It's sad that we feel the need to bash anyone, but it seems as if some people are too blinded by their political choice of parties to just say we have made a bad choice. I've never claimed to be a republican OR democrat, but I am truly ashamed of the man we have in office this time.

I respect that Bush claims to be a christian, but there are a lot of chistians out there......just how many from YOUR church are qualified to be President? If his last name was anything other than Bush would he really be President? I guess we can be thankful that we are allowed the freedom to discuss this openly, but you have to remember, we were free a long time before Bush, he's not a savior as some think he is. Right now, he's all we have.......like a rock...only dumber!
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Originally posted by JohnTucker:
Why is it that whenever people take Bush's side, they can never give a REALLY GOOD reason for doing so?

You always hear that he has faced so much more than any other president, but then you read where he has taken more time for "vacation" than any other president. Any compassionate person can cry with kids that have just lost their classmates, but that doesn't make them a great leader. None of the people have said Bush was not compassionate. He has a proven track record of stupidity. He's a great leader, well, he has led us into the biggest blunder in history, this Iraqi war. The people of Iraq are so much better now......have you ever seen footage of Iraq BEFORE our invasion? The people of Iraq were not terrified to venture outside PRIOR to our invasion. We have invaded that country, killed the leader and his sons (which should be a war crime) and yet the people responsible for the 9/11 killings go free. Why did we kill Saddam? Because he was a tyrant? Our same government sits back while genocide still goes on in Africa! We are the laughing stock of the world. We are now looked upon as idiots when we travel abroad, a direct comparison of all Americans to our stupid leader. We used to command respect, now we are looked down upon. Even our allies are starting to see just how huge a mistake Iraq has been.

When someone questions you as to WHY to support Bush, you come back with attacks on them personally........don't ask, don't tell......that was a typical Bush supporter reply. The reason being is that they can not honestly give a decent reason for their support of the idiot we call our President. It's sad that we feel the need to bash anyone, but it seems as if some people are too blinded by their political choice of parties to just say we have made a bad choice. I've never claimed to be a republican OR democrat, but I am truly ashamed of the man we have in office this time.

I respect that Bush claims to be a christian, but there are a lot of chistians out there......just how many from YOUR church are qualified to be President? If his last name was anything other than Bush would he really be President? I guess we can be thankful that we are allowed the freedom to discuss this openly, but you have to remember, we were free a long time before Bush, he's not a savior as some think he is. Right now, he's all we have.......like a rock...only dumber!



And YET, here comes ANOTHER smart man!!! Welcome!!!!
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
The sad thing about the title of this post, I don't hate Bush... not one bit!!! I just can see him for what he is, and I have no respect for him. I respect the office, but not Bush.

I don't know why people who disagree with Bush are automatically labeled BushHaters... that just isn't true.


Kindred-- I like you and I agree with alot of your common sense on here, but let's be real. If anyone should read back on your comments on any of these politically charged threads they could easily see that you despise Bush. No, I don't agree with the way this war is being handled, but I don't see the necessity of beating a dead horse either. Until a constructive criticism is made that generates action to correct a situation it is only criticism imho. And as far as Bush seeking out a camera, I don't think so. Look back and see how the Clintons seek out the media. Hilary actually got ticked at the Hollywood scene for their financial support to Obama, remember? I do because it made the front page of my AOL home page. Showed this big pic of her with lips pinched so tight they looked like she would explode. Point? She and Bill are and have always been media darlings even during the whole Monica scandal. Bush is just who he is but he is our president at the moment. And whether you like him or not our president deserves our backing so that as a nation we are not divided. IMHO, this will be the downfall of America. Our two party system of Democrats and Republicans doesn't work anymore. We have too many pointing fingers and not enough people wanting to put their fingers down and actually work with their hands to make the situation better. So, how can you and I make it better is what needs to be discussed not what was done last week or last month. God forbid anyone says something nice on here about our President.
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
The sad thing about the title of this post, I don't hate Bush... not one bit!!! I just can see him for what he is, and I have no respect for him. I respect the office, but not Bush.

I don't know why people who disagree with Bush are automatically labeled BushHaters... that just isn't true.


Kindred-- I like you and I agree with alot of your common sense on here, but let's be real. If anyone should read back on your comments on any of these politically charged threads they could easily see that you despise Bush. No, I don't agree with the way this war is being handled, but I don't see the necessity of beating a dead horse either. Until a constructive criticism is made that generates action to correct a situation it is only criticism imho. And as far as Bush seeking out a camera, I don't think so. Look back and see how the Clintons seek out the media. Hilary actually got ticked at the Hollywood scene for their financial support to Obama, remember? I do because it made the front page of my AOL home page. Showed this big pic of her with lips pinched so tight they looked like she would explode. Point? She and Bill are and have always been media darlings even during the whole Monica scandal. Bush is just who he is but he is our president at the moment. And whether you like him or not our president deserves our backing so that as a nation we are not divided. IMHO, this will be the downfall of America. Our two party system of Democrats and Republicans doesn't work anymore. We have too many pointing fingers and not enough people wanting to put their fingers down and actually work with their hands to make the situation better. So, how can you and I make it better is what needs to be discussed not what was done last week or last month. God forbid anyone says something nice on here about our President.


I am right there with you. I can never be accused of agreeing 100% with the President. I think he is COMPLETELY wrong on illegal immigration. Actually, almost everybody in DC is wrong about it. I think GWB genuinely tries to go about doing the peoples business on a daily basis. Right, wrong or indifferent he does the best he can do. He has never been one to hunt out the cameras, unlike some of our former Presidents. He is not out there trying to win a popularity contest. He is trying his best to do what he thinks is good for this country. In 2008 he will walk away. We'll see how good the next one does.

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