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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.


You have stated what I feel much better than I can. Very nice post.


I completely agree ...
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.
lookn2it. I get it. The President should be respected. I sort of agree. I would say the President should be RESPECTABLE. I simply think that Dubya is not respectable. He is not doing his job, if that job includes earning and keeping his RESPECTABILITY. Congress Respected him to much. He sent people to lie to them about the threat posed by Iraq. They believed him, and supported his plan to threaten them with extinction if they did not disarm. He got the authority to threaten them to disarm them. They complied, and said we'll allow you to search our warehouses and stockpiles and laboratories to see for yourself that we are disarmed.
That was the extent of the authority to use force as a tool to disarm Iraq. It worked.

Bush, invaded anyway.

His first lie was presenting false evidence of the state of Iraq's war chest.

His second Lie was saying that it was being hidden from the inspectors.

His third lie rested on the second lie, which rested on the first lie. His third lie was he was authorized to invade the country. He was not. He was authorized to disarm the country. It was disarmed. He won.
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LookN2it, very eloquent post!
Steph and Souther Patriot, I don't think that some of the other posters in this thread will ever be able to get past their political agendas and see that while the President was in Enterprise he brought much needed comfort and hope to those people. Would any other decent human being do the same thing? Probably. Does that mean it is not commendable? Definitely not. I think the world needs to hear more stories like this so we can all rejoice in them.



I agree -- I took the first post and forwarded it via my email and yahoo messenger to some friends to spread some good for a change...
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.
lookn2it. I get it. The President should be respected. I sort of agree. I would say the President should be RESPECTABLE. I simply think that Dubya is not respectable. He is not doing his job, if that job includes earning and keeping his RESPECTABILITY. Congress Respected him to much. He sent people to lie to them about the threat posed by Iraq. They believed him, and supported his plan to threaten them with extinction if they did not disarm. He got the authority to threaten them to disarm them. They complied, and said we'll allow you to search our warehouses and stockpiles and laboratories to see for yourself that we are disarmed.
That was the extent of the authority to use force as a tool to disarm Iraq. It worked.

Bush, invaded anyway.

His first lie was presenting false evidence of the state of Iraq's war chest.

His second Lie was saying that it was being hidden from the inspectors.

His third lie rested on the second lie, which rested on the first lie. His third lie was he was authorized to invade the country. He was not. He was authorized to disarm the country. It was disarmed. He won.


Ed, you keep saying "Bush lied" but he was looking at the same intel that congress was looking at. Evidently it must have looked pretty bad or they wouldn't have signed off on the resolution. We went in to Iraq expecting to find WMD. We didn't find them. Where they are now (Syria, Iran or buried in the desert) is a moot point. Just like he said "this is not the war we went into, but it's the war we are in now". You can't lie about intel when everybody else saw it Ed. Get past the "Bush lie" line. It got old about 3 years ago. You have repeated it and beat us over the head with it so much that there is NO WAY we will ever forget you feel that way.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.
lookn2it. I get it. The President should be respected. I sort of agree. I would say the President should be RESPECTABLE. I simply think that Dubya is not respectable. He is not doing his job, if that job includes earning and keeping his RESPECTABILITY. Congress Respected him to much. He sent people to lie to them about the threat posed by Iraq. They believed him, and supported his plan to threaten them with extinction if they did not disarm. He got the authority to threaten them to disarm them. They complied, and said we'll allow you to search our warehouses and stockpiles and laboratories to see for yourself that we are disarmed.
That was the extent of the authority to use force as a tool to disarm Iraq. It worked.

Bush, invaded anyway.

His first lie was presenting false evidence of the state of Iraq's war chest.

His second Lie was saying that it was being hidden from the inspectors.

His third lie rested on the second lie, which rested on the first lie. His third lie was he was authorized to invade the country. He was not. He was authorized to disarm the country. It was disarmed. He won.



Ed, I will try and keep this response brief- I don't won't to keep hijacking this thread away from its original feel good intentions. Okay, my stance is that number 1 --it wasn't just his intel it was also the UN's intel data we were going on. Number 2 --they didn't cooperate as easily as you depict. If I am remembering right, the UN requested that their inspectors be allowed in several times before Sadaam actually agreed or rather relented to allow them in. Number 3 --Weapon inspectors from the UN weren't allowed full access to all areas at the time. So, going on the data WE all had then there were a lot more okayers than nay-sayers when this was going on. And regardless of where the blame lies now, we are left with a crappy outcome that we now have to all deal with and work together to figure out. Let's work on the future and quit pointing fingers about the past. Don't you think that would be a lot more positive outcome for the United States in general? Ed, I don't think you are anti-American or unpatriotic. I think you want to get our boys home and stop a lot of unnecessary killing. I would agree, but we are at a time now that there may not be a stopping point and if we relinquish what little bit of violence control there is we may worse ramifications in the long run right now. What do you think about that? Do you think we could pull out now and Iran would back down and allow the Iraqi government to continue on its quest for democracy? Just a question to ponder. Now I have gotten too long winded again, sorry about that to everyone on this thread again.
Since most of you are in a fantasy world, what if the U.S. and allies hadn't invaded and the WMDs were used again? I mean they had missiles that had longer ranges than prescribed by the wonderful UN. Yet they are not WMDs. What is the UN going to do about Iran's nuclear program if Iran doesn't comply? Go back to the fantasy world and give them more money like they really need it. Get real.
Lord, what a long thread. I keep trying to catch up on here & am just not willing to read through 7 pages to know how you all arrived here; I think I could guess anyway. Wink

Regarding the original post...thank you for sharing that, FatNoMo. We sometimes forget that Bush is not only the President. He's a human being with the ability to have compassion on these sweet young people who are being so brave. If that did NOT make him cry, I'd be shocked. I was also glad he remembered whose words of comfort would have the greatest effect, not his own but God's. Great post.
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
This post is about the compassion that the President showed towards the people of Enterprise. It is insane how some of you have hijacked it and turned it into a debate on the leadership abilities (or lack thereof) of our President. Attack, bash, call names, debate, argue, etc. This post was not started to stir any pot. It was started to showcase a little peice of humanity and so that we could celebrate how people show kindess towards each other, even the President. This was an opportunity for those who do not support Bush as a leader to at least support him as a person. It seems that is lost on some of you.


That Smart Chick just gets smarter and smarter. I like her a lot! Smiler
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
FatNoMO. Thank you for the great post. I am truly sorry that I have contributed to it being hijacked like it has. I was only trying to back up the point that your post was trying to make. It didn't help. Sorry.


Thanks SP, I appreciate the affirmation. You DID help – a lot!
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.



Short and to the point – a great point!

Have YOU ever considered running for a political office?!?!
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Originally posted by FatNoMo:
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.



Short and to the point – a great point!

Have YOU ever considered running for a political office?!?!


LOL--My husband would be on the floor rolling with laughter right now on that one. I have trouble finding my car keys each morning. WinkCan't imagine trying to find the missing common ground between both parties right now.
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Originally posted by stephanie:
You're right KS -- I wasn't invited and I cry about it every day.

You are correct that no one should "ignore" in a debate, but I have yet to see many true debates on here--it winds up being name-calling and other childish things that don't let the true debate come out -- mainly your opinoin of the person that is "debating" you is what comes out--not facts of the issue being debated. WHen the arguement becomes about someone's ignorance or inability to see both sides of an issue -- it becomes a battle of wills not a debate. I choose not to get into a battle of wills at this point--it drains too much energy.

You are right that we will not agree on everything and there have been many times that I have agreed with you and made a point to say that I agreed with you. When you have "apologized" you have turned around and gotten in another jab for good measure.
I have never been truly rude to you and never crude to you, pompous--yes probably arrogant, but then again you don't really know me so you don't know how I really am. LIke you said, a debate can have many sides and I as a woman have many sides. You only know a tiny portion--and probably never will know me and that is sad...

Have a wonderful day............



Lordy mercy... How can ONE person take things SOOOOO wrong?????

But that is only on part of what you said, I actually AGREE with some of the statements you said.

And I would also like to add that the disadvantage of NOT being able to see anything on here except the "typewritten word? is what makes a lot of us misunderstand exactly what someone else is saying... I raise my hand in Guilt on that one!

Facial expressions tells a lot, being able to look into someone's eyes while carrying on a conversation tells a lot.. but just reading word after word after word sometimes just don't have the same conotation... sometimes I think ALL of us misunderstand by just being able to READ instead of SEE... ya know?
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
This post is about the compassion that the President showed towards the people of Enterprise. It is insane how some of you have hijacked it and turned it into a debate on the leadership abilities (or lack thereof) of our President. Attack, bash, call names, debate, argue, etc. This post was not started to stir any pot. It was started to showcase a little peice of humanity and so that we could celebrate how people show kindess towards each other, even the President. This was an opportunity for those who do not support Bush as a leader to at least support him as a person. It seems that is lost on some of you.


Please, read the post from the beginning. He was given credit for acting the way a human being should act. It was just stated that it does not undo everything else he has screwed up. It is nice to know that when approval ratings are down that these situations tend to surface.



DHS, very well put!!! I agree with every word you said.

It is almost like someone wanting their boss to PAY them more for doing a good job,... well DUH... aren't they getting PAID to do a good job??? That sums it up pretty good too.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
This post is about the compassion that the President showed towards the people of Enterprise. It is insane how some of you have hijacked it and turned it into a debate on the leadership abilities (or lack thereof) of our President. Attack, bash, call names, debate, argue, etc. This post was not started to stir any pot. It was started to showcase a little peice of humanity and so that we could celebrate how people show kindess towards each other, even the President. This was an opportunity for those who do not support Bush as a leader to at least support him as a person. It seems that is lost on some of you.


I was the 6th post on this issue stating
"You people just never give up. Do you? It doesn't matter what the man does. You are going to hate him on pricipal and have since he was elected. Pitifull sight IMHO."
The remainder of this thread is an perfect example of what happens when the bashing begins.



No, this is a prime example of people being just as honest as they can be. How can anyone who knows the stuff that has gone on in the last six years all of a sudden wanna give Bush a hug because he visited a tragic scene? ANYONE walking the face of this country that would have gone to Enterprise and talked to the same kids would have hugged them!!! Anyone would have felt the empathy... what he did that day was NOT an extraordinary deed, it was a human act... just as probably most of us do daily, ...

A dog bites everyone in the neighborhood, then one person walks by and the dog doesn't bite them, so the dog is now praised? How weird it would be to expect anyone on here who doesn't like what is going on to "OOOOOH" and "AHHHHH" over a HUMAN act of kindness .... now THAT would be hypocracy.

I am glad he went down there, I actually DO question his motives, but aside from that I am glad that he did what he did and made a few kids happy, and I am glad he did his JOB by visiting a scene of disaster... But, just like I used to say on here all the time, he is not ALL bad... but lately, no one gives me or others the chance to say it.. ..

Think about it.............
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

I was the 6th post on this issue stating
"You people just never give up. Do you? It doesn't matter what the man does. You are going to hate him on pricipal and have since he was elected. Pitifull sight IMHO."
The remainder of this thread is an perfect example of what happens when the bashing begins.


Nobody here has said that they hate Bush. Most of us do not find him to be a good leader or a good decision maker.

Now, I will ask again, are you going to respond to my posts with why he is so great?


DHS, we have been 'labeled' Bush haters... when in fact, that is the furtherest thing from the truth... you said the right thing here... His Leadership is horrid, but I do NOT hate him... And I am offended by people accusing me of something that I HAVE NEVER EVER said...
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
Still waiting on answers from Old Man4 and Southern Patriot.


You will still be waiting til the cows come home if you keep up the attitude---not everyone lives on this forum everyday and can jump to give you an answer just because you demand one. REminds me of my niece when she wants her ba-ba...

Chill a little, take a breath....in.....out.....



Chill out... take a breath... whew... wow.... Is that all you can say to anyone? It is not we who needs that Chill pill ... go back and SEE who started the JUMPING on here... in fact, looks to me like Times Daily has ALREADY taken notice on who starts what FIRST....
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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The post had nothing to do with "undoing anything else he has done". That is the whole point.

Southern Patriot


Oh, I see, we should just praise him for acting the way any caring human being should act. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Since it is a rare occurance for him, maybe he does deserve praise. Thanks so much!


If I have to clear up a simple posting like this for you, you are much too far gone into the bashing zone. This is my answer to the question you keep asking. It was a response I post to an earlier comment today:


Originally posted by lookn2it:

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
The sad thing about the title of this post, I don't hate Bush... not one bit!!! I just can see him for what he is, and I have no respect for him. I respect the office, but not Bush.

I don't know why people who disagree with Bush are automatically labeled BushHaters... that just isn't true.

Kindred-- I like you and I agree with alot of your common sense on here, but let's be real. If anyone should read back on your comments on any of these politically charged threads they could easily see that you despise Bush. No, I don't agree with the way this war is being handled, but I don't see the necessity of beating a dead horse either. Until a constructive criticism is made that generates action to correct a situation it is only criticism imho. And as far as Bush seeking out a camera, I don't think so. Look back and see how the Clintons seek out the media. Hilary actually got ticked at the Hollywood scene for their financial support to Obama, remember? I do because it made the front page of my AOL home page. Showed this big pic of her with lips pinched so tight they looked like she would explode. Point? She and Bill are and have always been media darlings even during the whole Monica scandal. Bush is just who he is but he is our president at the moment. And whether you like him or not our president deserves our backing so that as a nation we are not divided. IMHO, this will be the downfall of America. Our two party system of Democrats and Republicans doesn't work anymore. We have too many pointing fingers and not enough people wanting to put their fingers down and actually work with their hands to make the situation better. So, how can you and I make it better is what needs to be discussed not what was done last week or last month. God forbid anyone says something nice on here about our President.


I am right there with you. I can never be accused of agreeing 100% with the President. I think he is COMPLETELY wrong on illegal immigration. Actually, almost everybody in DC is wrong about it. I think GWB genuinely tries to go about doing the peoples business on a daily basis. Right, wrong or indifferent he does the best he can do. He has never been one to hunt out the cameras, unlike some of our former Presidents. He is not out there trying to win a popularity contest. He is trying his best to do what he thinks is good for this country. In 2008 he will walk away. We'll see how good the next one does.


WOW... I think for the FIRTST time I can actually agree with most of what Southern Patriot said!!!

It is actually very nice to know that we do not disagree on everything!!!
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by stephanie:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
Still waiting on answers from Old Man4 and Southern Patriot.


You will still be waiting til the cows come home if you keep up the attitude---not everyone lives on this forum everyday and can jump to give you an answer just because you demand one. REminds me of my niece when she wants her ba-ba...

Chill a little, take a breath....in.....out.....


Don't be condescending. What attitude? They can say what they want, but don't have the ammo to respond when their posts are punched with holes. That is the way kids play, not the way adults debate. You need to watch the attitude, I've heard no valid points from you today.


Condescending... that is exactly what is going on ..... I just want everyone to be able to actually SAY what they BELIEVE without someone being "conscending" and acting all high and mighty over what was said, AS IF they are the ONLY one who is right... and ya know, ... I bet I voted LONG before some of you guys were born!!! LOL... So I am NOT a dummy, and if you ever think that, it is your first mistake Wink
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.
lookn2it. I get it. The President should be respected. I sort of agree. I would say the President should be RESPECTABLE. I simply think that Dubya is not respectable. He is not doing his job, if that job includes earning and keeping his RESPECTABILITY. Congress Respected him to much. He sent people to lie to them about the threat posed by Iraq. They believed him, and supported his plan to threaten them with extinction if they did not disarm. He got the authority to threaten them to disarm them. They complied, and said we'll allow you to search our warehouses and stockpiles and laboratories to see for yourself that we are disarmed.
That was the extent of the authority to use force as a tool to disarm Iraq. It worked.

Bush, invaded anyway.

His first lie was presenting false evidence of the state of Iraq's war chest.

His second Lie was saying that it was being hidden from the inspectors.

His third lie rested on the second lie, which rested on the first lie. His third lie was he was authorized to invade the country. He was not. He was authorized to disarm the country. It was disarmed. He won.


Ed, you keep saying "Bush lied" but he was looking at the same intel that congress was looking at. Evidently it must have looked pretty bad or they wouldn't have signed off on the resolution. We went in to Iraq expecting to find WMD. We didn't find them. Where they are now (Syria, Iran or buried in the desert) is a moot point. Just like he said "this is not the war we went into, but it's the war we are in now". You can't lie about intel when everybody else saw it Ed. Get past the "Bush lie" line. It got old about 3 years ago. You have repeated it and beat us over the head with it so much that there is NO WAY we will ever forget you feel that way.


Hmmmmm.... if "Bush LIED" got old about 3 years ago... then reckon why he is still doing it? And reckon why we are STILL tired of it...

I am not being one bit sarcastic, it is just that is the FIRST time I have ever see YOU type that Bush lied...

And it is actually refreshing to see that even those who still think he is great, also knows his downfalls instead of treating him like some sort of God. And that goes back to what I said about the typewritten WORD... maybe in a LOT of ways, ALL of us are somewhat misunderstood with what we are saying... that a possibility?
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Originally posted by FatNoMo:
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Originally posted by lookn2it:
DHS- Let me try to answer your post about why Bush deserves to be at least respected. Bush if nothing else does not hide who he is in my opinion. He states his views and stands by them with deliberation. Does that always make them right? Obviously not. But on the other hand you mention his lies about the WMD. At the time, all of Congress thought those were there as well. Yep, even Hilary!!! I don't know if it is lying if you are operating on the best information that you have at hand and then it turns out to be false. Wishy-washines in politics is standard. Bush tells it like it is and although he may not be our most eloquent speaker ever he tends to be a man that states his mind just like others on this forum do--in a plain spoken matter of fact manner. I think his biggest mistake is in the company of characters that he chose to have with him and around him while in office. I don't know if this even remotely touches on what you wanted but that is what first came to mind.



Short and to the point – a great point!

Have YOU ever considered running for a political office?!?!


LOL--My husband would be on the floor rolling with laughter right now on that one. I have trouble finding my car keys each morning. WinkCan't imagine trying to find the missing common ground between both parties right now.


LOL.. might should tell him to get on the floor and roll, because I personally THANK YOU for what you said... it brought a sense of reason when the pounding was going on... Tell him you are a keeper, whether you can find your keys or not... who said finding keys in the morning was a REQUIREMENT? hehe...

Anyway.... Thanks for your words of wisdom!!!
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Originally posted by 1hardhead:
hello everyone...decided to jump in here and interrupt with a question that changes the subject (i know...it's very rude but i cant help it if my head is hard)...so what's up with the Iranians taking British troops captive while they conduct routine inspections of shipping vessels in Iraqi waters?



Help! Police!

We need to report a MAJOR hijacking!
Razzer
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Originally posted by 1hardhead:
hello everyone...decided to jump in here and interrupt with a question that changes the subject (i know...it's very rude but i cant help it if my head is hard)...so what's up with the Iranians taking British troops captive while they conduct routine inspections of shipping vessels in Iraqi waters?


There's already a thread open about the Iranians and Brits. You can find out more there.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
KS, you just don't get it and you never will.


Ya know, there is a LOT of things you just might be surprised about... if you actually knew me, instead of the ME who has been berated, ridiculed, insulted, threatened, and bunches of other stuff... all you know about me right now, and for the last couple of months is my DEFENSIVE side kicking in...

Will that ever allow me to believe in Bush? No, but it just might make some of the people on here who possess common sense see just what has happened here on these boards just in the last month... maybe two months...

I think it is time for all of us to accept the facts that we DEFINITELY disagree on politics, and nothing is going to change that... maybe we might even FIND the good in the other people... ya know?

I came on here today thinking that there was NO WAY I was going to get caught up in a bunch of stuff... and here I am on this post... and obviously, you aren't reading ALL that I have read... and AGAIN, we are ONLY reading typewritten words... that STARTS the disadvantages right from the start!!!

Anyway.... it would be nice if we had a public resturant, with a huge table so that we could actually talk to each other, and be able to SEE what the other person is saying instead of just READ it.
I absolutely cannot stand the Bush presidency. However, that's a pretty cool story. I'm as democrat as they come, and some of you know that. Still, what he did has nothing to do with politics or the war. He stepped in during a stateside crisis and comforted sorrowful people.

Yes, I wish he would make different decisions, but this is an example of something my granddad always said: even broken clocks are right twice a day.
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I absolutely cannot stand the Bush presidency. However, that's a pretty cool story. I'm as democrat as they come, and some of you know that. Still, what he did has nothing to do with politics or the war. He stepped in during a stateside crisis and comforted sorrowful people.

Yes, I wish he would make different decisions, but this is an example of something my granddad always said: even broken clocks are right twice a day.


Thank you One. Your response is all we were talking about. Kinda like the old "give the devil his due". You can beat up on his polotics if you want, but begrudge him some credit when he deserves it. That's all most people ask.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by one who posts:
I absolutely cannot stand the Bush presidency. However, that's a pretty cool story. I'm as democrat as they come, and some of you know that. Still, what he did has nothing to do with politics or the war. He stepped in during a stateside crisis and comforted sorrowful people.

Yes, I wish he would make different decisions, but this is an example of something my granddad always said: even broken clocks are right twice a day.


Thank you One. Your response is all we were talking about. Kinda like the old "give the devil his due". You can beat up on his polotics if you want, but begrudge him some credit when he deserves it. That's all most people ask.


Right on the money,SP and One.
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Originally posted by one who posts:
I absolutely cannot stand the Bush presidency. However, that's a pretty cool story. I'm as democrat as they come, and some of you know that. Still, what he did has nothing to do with politics or the war. He stepped in during a stateside crisis and comforted sorrowful people.

Yes, I wish he would make different decisions, but this is an example of something my granddad always said: even broken clocks are right twice a day.


I believe you have made a very good point -- what he did had nothing to do with politics or the war -- and I respect your opinon on his presidency. Thanks for giving a different perspective...
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Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Put that in simple english.


In "simple English", I dont neccessarily beleave the story is word for word what anyone said. Even IF it is - what has it got to do with anything? Bushs job involves MORE than sound bites, sweet stories or good deeds. His job is to lead this nation. So far the American people are not giving him a passing grade. He lost his party the House and Senate, hes got us into a messy civil war in the Middle East, and is enjoying an approval rating in the high 20-30% range. He needs to do more than offer sweet sentimental words to 6 people in Enterprise Al.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Anyone who thinks this sickeningly sweet, sentimental, possibly untrue story has one thing to do with Bushes job performance is delusional. Cute, emotional and easily made up stories like this are for the weak, seeking to find validation of their mistaken allegiance to a failed leader. It smacks of manipulation and falsehood.



Meany--no one has said this should erase anything he has done, but I, for one, feel you should give credit where credit is due...whether this is real or not -- I am taking it on its face that it is because if this fake it is no different than any of the falsehoods that his "haters" put into the world as well--I choose to try to find the good in this...you are entitled to your opinion...
I find the good in those things not designed to elicit an emotion. I dont like tricks, I dont like easy emotional responses. One does not hire a C.E.O. for a large corporation based on his ability to say sweet things to the office staff. You hire a C.E.O. based on his ability to make deals, produce success for the company and accomplish the expected results. The presidency of the United States is no popularity contest, its the management of the Free World - a bigger job than being Little Miss Sunshine after a disaster in Enterprise Al. I reserve my sentimental moments for other things.

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