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Yesterday afternoon, former Republican Congressman and 2008 Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr had the audacity to say, "Waterboarding is torture." The reason it took audacity is that he was at CPAC, the annual Conservative Political Action Conference. He was promptly booed.
Instead of adhering to the Constitution or the Geneva Conventions, conservative ideological leaders and Republican leaders have decided to shoot for political expediency, stubbornness, and sadism.
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I agree, that took courage on Barr's part. I think he is actually trying to be a leader and bring the "Flock" back to reality and the rest of the world.

Too bad, won't work. At one time Barr was one of the leading engines in the hate machine and now even he can't stop it. He has actually made some sensible statements over the last few years, not many, but a few. Any sensible statements will automatically disqualify you from CPAC.
If waterboarding is torture, then there are a lot of special ops soldiers and interrogators who have been tortured. Why aren't the "progressives" coming out in support of them? Is it only torture if it's being used to make a terrorist talk?

It's water slowly poured on someone's face. No injury, no permanent damage, not even temporary damage. It's resulted in a wealth of information that has prevented attacks, so I don't see a problem with it. I prefer the Libertarian party to the Republicans or Democrats, but I might have booed that one too.
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So, Obama has been booed for dismissing tort reform as well as other topics.

Did he get booed at the LPAC Liberal Political Action Conference,? if there was one. For all I know, there may have been just wasn't covered by the liberal media.


It was called ACORN, I'm not sure what they call themselves now. If he did get booed there you can bet the liberal media didn't report it.
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[quote]If waterboarding is torture, then there are a lot of special ops soldiers and interrogators who have been tortured. Why aren't the "progressives" coming out in support of them? Is it only torture if it's being used to make a terrorist talk?

It's water slowly poured on someone's face. No injury, no permanent damage, not even temporary damage. It's resulted in a wealth of information that has prevented attacks, so I don't see a problem with it. I prefer the Libertarian party to the Republicans or Democrats, but I might have booed that one too.


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The waterboarding that is done to US soldiers is Training if they are captured what to expect. One of the effects of Waterboarding is the terror that you will drown which is not part of "Special OPs) training. The soldiers know they will not drown or be harmed permently.

And when Barr was Booed it showed that his audience is still in the 15th century.

Waterboarding is torture which is why soldiers go through the training, to prepare them for torture. One problem is they waterboard "suspects." Also it has been discovered they get more accurate information from tried and true old talk interragation methods then torture. Under torture a person will say anything they feel the torturer wants to hear. It is barbaric and used by the lowest in our society.
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The waterboarding that is done to US soldiers is Training if they are captured what to expect. One of the effects of Waterboarding is the terror that you will drown which is not part of "Special OPs) training. The soldiers know they will not drown or be harmed permently.


Captured soldiers are lucky if they are waterboarded. Usually, those captured by insurgents and terrorist groups are simply executed.

You just admitted that waterboarding will not drown or permanently harm those subjected to it. Therefore, it's not torture.
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You just admitted that waterboarding will not drown or permanently harm those subjected to it. Therefore, it's not torture.


The definition of torture is severe physical or mental pain, not killing or permanently disfiguring someone. Simulated drowning, stress positions, and sleep deprivation are all torture even though they leave no physical evidence (well, stress positions can, just ask John McCain), and the fact that those torture techniques leave no evidence is usually why they're used.

I'll put it this way: back in the days before Cheney decided he wanted to start torturing people and his supporters felt the need to defend him, if a foreign government had US citizens in its custody and waterboarded them to extract confessions, what would our reaction as a country have been? Would we have just shrugged our shoulders at their "enhanced interrogation techniques?" Or would we have been furious at their barbarism for using a Spanish Inquisition/Gestapo/Khmer Rouge torture technique?

Just because we're basically good and al-Qaeda is evil doesn't mean that anything we do is automatically good or that we're not capable of evil. Torture is torture no matter who's doing it and no matter how much they think it's justified.
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All fighter pilots, including Bush, are also waterboarded.

Where was "W" waterboarded? Panama City beach while he was MIA?????? Maybe when he had his little flight suit on while he was on the aircraft carrier with Mission Accomplished banner some bottled water splashed on his nose.


Another brainless post by the brainless-one. What else should we expect?
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Reading posts by little rocky could reasonably be considered torture...

You know what is really funny, crazy birther lady (I hope you have stopped drooling since the McCain rally) is you fools play right into keeping the posts that piss you off the most at the top of the forum list. Did it ever occur to you WHY I replied to all of rethugs posts? Keep hope alive!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO
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Reading posts by little rocky could reasonably be considered torture...

You know what is really funny, crazy birther lady (I hope you have stopped drooling since the McCain rally) is you fools play right into keeping the posts that piss you off the most at the top of the forum list. Did it ever occur to you WHY I replied to all of rethugs posts? Keep hope alive!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO


Pissed off? No. I'd say you and the thugbuttkisser are more of an oddity. I would bet cross-dressers.
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All fighter pilots, including Bush, are also waterboarded.

Where was "W" waterboarded? Panama City beach while he was MIA?????? Maybe when he had his little flight suit on while he was on the aircraft carrier with Mission Accomplished banner some bottled water splashed on his nose.


Because you are young, inexperienced and ignorant, I shall explain using words that aren't too large. During Bush's three years of active duty, when he went to flight school, he attended escape and evasion training, as do all pilots. The program has a new name, now. Waterboarding was and is part of the training.

As to the time he was in Alabama, the press and the left showed their complete lack of knowledge of the military. When national guard reported in for training, they signed a sheet to prove their attendance. The sheet was used as a feeder report for military pay and retirement credits. The sign-in sheets were destroyed after three years. Bush's records show he was paid and received retirement points for his time in Alabama. Therefore, no AWOL. However, the press and the left is either too ignorant or wish the truth not to be known.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by rocky:
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All fighter pilots, including Bush, are also waterboarded.

Where was "W" waterboarded? Panama City beach while he was MIA?????? Maybe when he had his little flight suit on while he was on the aircraft carrier with Mission Accomplished banner some bottled water splashed on his nose.


Because you are young, inexperienced and ignorant, I shall explain using words that aren't too large. During Bush's three years of active duty, when he went to flight school, he attended escape and evasion training, as do all pilots. The program has a new name, now. Waterboarding was and is part of the training.

As to the time he was in Alabama, the press and the left showed their complete lack of knowledge of the military. When national guard reported in for training, they signed a sheet to prove their attendance. The sheet was used as a feeder report for military pay and retirement credits. The sign-in sheets were destroyed after three years. Bush's records show he was paid and received retirement points for his time in Alabama. Therefore, no AWOL. However, the press and the left is either too ignorant or wish the truth not to be known.


Didn't "red" rather get canned for this phony story?
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There is no evidence that Bush was present and was not AWOL.

He didn't show for lots of things and didn't care, his father was a congresman on his way up.

Funny that left-wingers repeat this over and over - yet they have ZERO interest in determining if Obama is even eligible to be President. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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There is no evidence that Bush was present and was not AWOL.

He didn't show for lots of things and didn't care, his father was a congresman on his way up.

Waterboarding is torture and it's why they use it.

It inflicts terror on the person being waterboarded. The fear of death as has been explained already by an earlier poster.


Didn't "red" rather get canned for this phony story?
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
There is no evidence that Bush was present and was not AWOL.

He didn't show for lots of things and didn't care, his father was a congresman on his way up.

Waterboarding is torture and it's why they use it.

It inflicts terror on the person being waterboarded. The fear of death as has been explained already by an earlier poster.


Old varmint, I just posted the evidence. Proof, once more, that you don't comprehend what you read, or are desperate to continue the fiction.

Once more, As to the time he was in Alabama, the press and the left showed their complete lack of knowledge of the military. When national guard reported in for training, they signed a sheet to prove their attendance. The sheet was used as a feeder report for military pay and retirement credits. The sign-in sheets were destroyed after three years. Bush's records show he was paid and received retirement points for his time in Alabama. Therefore, no AWOL. However, the press and the left is either too ignorant or wish the truth not to be known.

The retirement points and pay were recorded for the time he was supposedly absent. That would not have happened without his presence. Now, you are imitating poor old Dan Rather, who insists his proven counterfeit documents prove his is right.
During a certian time period, when giving drug tests, no one was able able to say they saw him those spefic weeks. Only before and after. It won't be the first and only time Bush was able to have strings pulled for him. He came from a wealthy infuential oil family and his father was a congressman.

The story is significant but old and over, Bush has done far worse since.

Crimes against humanity are much more serious.
The same thing can be said of Herr Obama. Too many strings pulled for him, and you see what we have now, a liberal socialist with an agenda and no experience, and questions about his origins.
I agree waterboarding is torture. I do not however disagree with its use. if it protects me and my family and my neighbors from having to suffer the wrath of Muslim extremists, so be it. I don't think they are willing to divulge their plans over a cup of coffee and a donut.
I have heard them talk about it on programs on NPR and Democracy Now, FBI and CIA who say they got the best information through talk not torture.

And we are torturing suspects, what does that prove? Just makes more enemies. The American people don't fully understand what their government has been doing in our name. We don't have enemie cause we are so nice.

The Corporte Media is lying to the people as well as the government too. Obama is not one of my favorites but he is a lot better then any republican.

Obama the Socialist, still believe that one?

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