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Camp Quest, founded in 1996, is the first residential summer camp in the United States, Canada and United Kingdom specifically for the children of nontheistic parents (including atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, skeptics, (nontheistic) rationalists, freethinkers, brights, and others who hold a naturalistic worldview).

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The camp's programs and activities introduce campers to the history and ideas of freethought. Campers also learn about science, astronomy, evolution, the scientific method, critical thinking, philosophy, world religions and church-state separation.

The camp's programs and activities also include what is usual for summer camps: campfires, canoeing, crafts, drama, games, nature hikes, singing, and swimming. Sometimes, however, a spin may be used, such as the telling of an ancient mythical tale around the campfire or the debunking of creationism on part of a nature hike or fossil hunt. Both competitive and cooperative sports are used. Past activities have included how to make a crop circle, how to recognize bias in the media, and visiting old cemeteries to use tombstones as clues to the mores of the past.

The centerpiece of the camp's approach is encouragement of critical thinking and an introduction to logical fallacies. One tradition along these lines is telling the story of two invisible unicorns that inhabit Camp Quest. Campers are told that two invisible unicorns inhabit the camp, that cannot be seen, heard, touched, smelled, tasted, that they cannot hurt you, that they do not eat and leave no mark. An ancient book handed down for countless generations offers proof that the unicorns exist, though no one is allowed to see this book. Any camper who can prove that the unicorns do not exist will win a godless one-hundred dollar bill (printed before 1957, when the U.S. Congress mandated that "In God We Trust" be printed on American fiat currency.) Since offering this challenge in August 1996, the prize remains unclaimed.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Camp Quest, founded in 1996, is the first residential summer camp in the United States, Canada and United Kingdom specifically for the children of nontheistic parents (including atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, skeptics, (nontheistic) rationalists, freethinkers, brights, and others who hold a naturalistic worldview).

Programs and activities:
The camp's programs and activities introduce campers to the history and ideas of freethought. Campers also learn about science, astronomy, evolution, the scientific method, critical thinking, philosophy, world religions and church-state separation.

The camp's programs and activities also include what is usual for summer camps: campfires, canoeing, crafts, drama, games, nature hikes, singing, and swimming. Sometimes, however, a spin may be used, such as the telling of an ancient mythical tale around the campfire or the debunking of creationism on part of a nature hike or fossil hunt. Both competitive and cooperative sports are used. Past activities have included how to make a crop circle, how to recognize bias in the media, and visiting old cemeteries to use tombstones as clues to the mores of the past.

The centerpiece of the camp's approach is encouragement of critical thinking and an introduction to logical fallacies. One tradition along these lines is telling the story of two invisible unicorns that inhabit Camp Quest. Campers are told that two invisible unicorns inhabit the camp, that cannot be seen, heard, touched, smelled, tasted, that they cannot hurt you, that they do not eat and leave no mark. An ancient book handed down for countless generations offers proof that the unicorns exist, though no one is allowed to see this book. Any camper who can prove that the unicorns do not exist will win a godless one-hundred dollar bill (printed before 1957, when the U.S. Congress mandated that "In God We Trust" be printed on American fiat currency.) Since offering this challenge in August 1996, the prize remains unclaimed.

Child abuse. Plain and simple.

I'm certain jenn is alumni.
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Her point is that these kids will be exposed to critical thinking, an invaluable skill.

I think I'll send the Camp Quest endowment fund $50.
Vic, would you send your kid to Camp Quest? If not, why not?

nsns

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A fool an his money. No camp quest, not a camp would I like.


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Vic, I'm no fool. Contributing money to educational causes is a fine and positive tradition.

Critical thinking is THE essential tool for sifting the wheat from the chaff.

The following bulletpoint list of critical thinking issues is probably too much for the Camp Quest kids, but you could get through it.

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/baloney.html

This is bigger than religion, it deals with baloney of all sorts, such as UFOs, demons, ghosts, conspiracies, etc.

Hope you enjoy.


nsns
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Vic, I'm no fool. Contributing money to educational causes is a fine and positive tradition.

Critical thinking is THE essential tool for sifting the wheat from the chaff.
The following bulletpoint list of critical thinking issues is probably too much for the Camp Quest kids, but you could get through it.
http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/baloney.html
This is bigger than religion, it deals with baloney of all sorts, such as UFOs, demons, ghosts, conspiracies, etc.
Hope you enjoy.

nsns

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You wish, but thanks anyway.


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Hi all,

In Mark 10:14 we read, "But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, 'Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.'"

One day we will ALL have to stand before Jesus Christ in judgment -- believers and non-believers. I would shudder to think that I would have to stand before Him and explain why I had purposely drawn young children away from Him.

The people who originate, run, and support such an effort as this Camp Quest -- WILL answer to Him one day. I would not want Him looking at me the way He will look at them.

Keep in mind that He is the God of perfect love; but, perfect love cannot exist with the balance of perfect justice. That perfect justice is what these folks will be facing as they stand before Him on that day. There will truly be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Luke 13:28, Acts 7:54) on that day.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The people who originate, run, and support such an effort as this Camp Quest -- WILL answer to Him one day. I would not want Him looking at me the way He will look at them.

Well bill, since there is no god you won't have to look on while he tortures people for not believing in him.

Hi Jennifer,

When you were a little girl -- did hiding your head under the blanket make the boogy man go away? The ostrich hiding his head in the sand does not make danger go away either.

And, no matter how much atheists huff and puff -- God will not go away either.

One day we will all wake up on the other side of this life -- and, guess what? For those who deny He exists: SURPRISE! - SURPRISE! - SURPRISE! - as our old friend Gomer Pyle used to say.

Yep, Suprise! -- God is there waiting -- whether you want to believe it or not. I pray, for you sake, and for the sake of those close to you -- that you do wake up before you leave this side and acknowledge Him as Lord and Savior. This will certainly make you eternal life a lot sweeter -- and much cooler!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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One day we will all wake up on the other side of this life -- and, guess what? For those who deny He exists: SURPRISE! - SURPRISE! - SURPRISE! - as our old friend Gomer Pyle used to say.

Goodness bill, don't you read that "good book"? Your god wouldn't let your friend gomer pyle into heaven. No surprise -surprise, and bill, if there was a god, I don't think he'd be thrilled with you either.
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One day we will all wake up on the other side of this life -- and, guess what? For those who deny He exists: SURPRISE! - SURPRISE! - SURPRISE! - as our old friend Gomer Pyle used to say.

Goodness bill, don't you read that "good book"? Your god wouldn't let your friend gomer pyle into heaven. No surprise -surprise, and bill, if there was a god, I don't think he'd be thrilled with you either.

Hi Jennifer,

You are right! There are many things I will have to answer for when I stand before Jesus Christ at the Believers' Judgment. I have and continue to do many things wrong. But, praise God -- I WILL be standing before Him at the Believers' Judgment and not the Great White Throne Judgment of those who are lost.

Regarding Jim Nabors; from what I "personally" know of him -- through his music and acting skills -- he is a fine "son of Alabama" -- one we can be proud to claim.

Yes, I have heard the rumors which you are quick to bring up; just as I have heard the same rumors of Johnny Mathias for many years. By the way, do you enjoy Johnny Mathias' singing? Most people do.

God will not judge anyone based upon a sin; but, upon a sinful lifestyle. We all commit sins -- daily. But, if we are in the family of God; He will forgive us when we ask.

If either of these men are what you want to imply -- but, have turned from that lifestyle and turned to follow Jesus Chrsit -- they are forgiven.

If anyone actively lives a sinful lifestyle -- he/she is not forgiven; for they have not turned to follow Christ. Simple as that.

Are you ready yet to turn and follow Him? If you will, you will be eternally grateful.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Yes, I have heard the rumors which you are quick to bring up; just as I have heard the same rumors of Johnny Mathias for many years. By the way, do you enjoy Johnny Mathias' singing? Most people do.

Not quick to bring up anything. He's gay and it is what it is, and your bible says that's a sin.

Hi Jennifer,

I cannot personally say that either man is gay. I have never met either one in person. But, both have been rumored -- but, as far as I am concerned, that is all it is -- a rumor.

Now, can YOU personally say that you have met either man and can confirm he is gay? If not, then all you are doing is spreading rumors.

And, guess what? Spreading rumors is just as big a sin in God's eye as being gay. I guess that leaves you in a sticky situation.

However, in God's eyes all sins are equal -- and all are guilty of sinning. We are personally condemned by choosing to live a sinful lifestyle; not for sinning. So, you have a chance! Turn from following the world -- and turn to follow Jesus Christ; and you, too, will be forgiven and given eternal life.

Give it a try. What do you have to lose -- except eternity in hell?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi Jennifer,

When you were a little girl -- did hiding your head under the blanket make the boogy man go away? The ostrich hiding his head in the sand does not make danger go away either.



God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill you need to give up on the analogies, you just stink at them. You believe in the "boogy man"?
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And, guess what? Spreading rumors is just as big a sin in God's eye as being gay. I guess that leaves you in a sticky situation.



God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


So is eating shellfish and pork, apparently.

If being gay is a sin, why did God create gay people? Just curious.

Have another blissful day, Bill.
Nice threats! Wink

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all,

In Mark 10:14 we read, "But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, 'Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.'"

One day we will ALL have to stand before Jesus Christ in judgment -- believers and non-believers. I would shudder to think that I would have to stand before Him and explain why I had purposely drawn young children away from Him.

The people who originate, run, and support such an effort as this Camp Quest -- WILL answer to Him one day. I would not want Him looking at me the way He will look at them.

Keep in mind that He is the God of perfect love; but, perfect love cannot exist with the balance of perfect justice. That perfect justice is what these folks will be facing as they stand before Him on that day. There will truly be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Luke 13:28, Acts 7:54) on that day.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Are we talking about the same god here, BeeG?

'Cause your god really sounds like a dick.
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Don't blame me, Vic. Jennifer brought it up.

What's next? Al Sharpton, gay? John McCain, gay?

I don't want to know.


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I brought up Johnny Mathis? Where? I don't know anything about the guy. Bill kept mentioning "gomer pyle". Jim Nabors is gay. To me that's not a big deal. But according to bill's bible that makes him a sinner. I don't think anyone can say I mentioned it as a slam against "gomer". Saying he's gay is to me the same as saying he lives in Hawaii. So what? It's to point out bill's hypocrisy. He "quotes" the man but would condemn him to hell for his sexual preferences.
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And, guess what? Spreading rumors is just as big a sin in God's eye as being gay. I guess that leaves you in a sticky situation.

Bill, there's a rumor that a major restaurant may locate in our city. Christians love to say that there are wars and "rumors" of war as their proof we're in the "last days". The next time someone tells me that they heard a rumor that a store was coming to the area, or that so and so was going to have a baby, nothing certain yet, just a rumor, I will tell them that you, bill grey big christian, says they're sinning. IMO to be harmful a rumor has to be hurtful or derogatory. Now you being such a christian and all, explain how stating Jim Nabors is gay is hurtful to him. Surely you aren't trying to say his being a homosexual is bad? Clear this up for me so we can move on. Oh and bill, you mentioned Johnny Mathis. Are you spreading a sinful rumor (in your eyes) that he's gay?
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I brought up Johnny Mathis? Where? I don't know anything about the guy. Bill kept mentioning "gomer pyle". Jim Nabors is gay. To me that's not a big deal. But according to bill's bible that makes him a sinner. I don't think anyone can say I mentioned it as a slam against "gomer". Saying he's gay is to me the same as saying he lives in Hawaii. So what? It's to point out bill's hypocrisy. He "quotes" the man but would condemn him to hell for his sexual preferences.

Hi Jennifer,

You declare a man to be gay. Have you "personally" witnessed him having a homosexual liaison? Or, have you "personally" heard him admit to being gay? I have never personally seen or heard either. It could be true; but, I cannot attest to it.

Or, is this just something that a friend told to your cousin's friend, who lives next door to Suzie, who swears to it?

In case you are curious, that is called "gossip." Yes, I will change my word from "rumor" to the more Biblical word "gossip" -- which, by the way, God does tell us is a sin.

And, I am not sure what any of this has to do with supporting your suggested Child Indoctrination Center you call Camp Quest. Atheists and secularists already have government funded and supported Indoctrination Centers where they work daily to destroy our children's spiritual life. It is call the Public School -- and since 1963, it has been the private domain of atheists and secularists. God was evicted; much to the detriment of all America.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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In case you are curious, that is called "gossip." Yes, I will change my word from "rumor" to the more Biblical word "gossip" -- which, by the way, God does tell us is a sin

Cornered and you change the meaning eh? Typical. What indoctrination center bill? Are you saying atheists don't have the right to send their children to any camp they want? How about church camps bill, are they indoctrination centers? So instead of you passing on a rumor about Johnny Mathis you're attempting to gossip? Got it.
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And, I am not sure what any of this has to do with supporting your suggested Child Indoctrination Center you call Camp Quest. Atheists and secularists already have government funded and supported Indoctrination Centers where they work daily to destroy our children's spiritual life. It is call the Public School -- and since 1963, it has been the private domain of atheists and secularists. God was evicted; much to the detriment of all America.

Really bill? Public schools are atheist schools and supported by government funds? Explain please.
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And, I am not sure what any of this has to do with supporting your suggested Child Indoctrination Center you call Camp Quest. Atheists and secularists already have government funded and supported Indoctrination Centers where they work daily to destroy our children's spiritual life. It is call the Public School -- and since 1963, it has been the private domain of atheists and secularists. God was evicted; much to the detriment of all America.

Really bill? Public schools are atheist schools and supported by government funds? Explain please.

JENNIFER, YOU GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS NOT RIGHT - AND, I WILL CORRECT YOUR ERRORS!

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You declare a man to be gay. Have you "personally" witnessed him having a homosexual liaison? Or, have you "personally" heard him admit to being gay? I have never personally seen or heard either. It could be true; but, I cannot attest to it.

Or, is this just something that a friend told to your cousin's friend, who lives next door to Suzie, who swears to it?



Heh. Wow, BeeG. That first paragraph sure sounds an awful lot like a description of that "good book" you beat us over the head with regularly...And the second one pretty much sums up your belief in it...

You don't have a personal relationship with Jesus. You've never met him.
You weren't there when the stuff in that book supposedly happened and you've never met anybody who was there anymore than I have, yet you condemn all us atheists because we don't believe in it. You can't "personally" attest to any of that, either.

Therefore, you are just another whacko wandering down the street wearing a sandwich board shouting doom. You have zero credibility.

Stick THAT in yer collection plate. Wink
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JENNIFER, YOU GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS NOT RIGHT - AND, I WILL CORRECT YOUR ERRORS!

Explain how your statement is not correct? Well for ONE thing I'd think an atheist run school system wouldn't have your god in it, the teachers wouldn't be self proclaimed christians, they wouldn't pray before assemblies and sports events, which they still do so don't deny that. So now YOU tell me how the school system is teaching atheism.

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