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Can a Muslim be a good American?

ynosyfynosyfFamiliar Face
With all the Muslims now legal citizens, living, having children and
voting
in this nation...how long folks??


Can a Good Muslim be a Good American?

Interesting questions for the Muslim Community to discuss & for
research on
our part al so.



Can a good Muslim be a good American? I forwarded that question to a
friend
who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his
forwarded
reply:



Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon God
of Arabia.


Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except
Islam (Quran, 2:256)



Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of
Islam
and the Quran (Koran).


Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which
he turns
in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great
Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and
beat and
scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 ).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to
be corrupt.Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
co-exist. Every
Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God,"
the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to
as heavenly
father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be
very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be
both "good"
Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. You had better believe
it! If
you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above
statements,
perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who
understand this, the
better it will be for our country and our future.
Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
(Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our president!)
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KindredKindredOld Faithful
So, the final question would be, WHY on earth would they even want to BE here if they are in disagreement with us so much?????

Seems like they would rather be on their 'own' ground.

But of course, most of them are getting rich here, plus receiving FREE education. So maybe I am answering my own question.

The ''rich'' ones are sending money back to family left and right though.

Not only are all our good jobs going to other countries, all the money that the convenience stores and motels are also leaving.

Something WRONG with this picture???? And we all know that SLEEPER CELLS still exist far and wide within the US of A.
Z zann (Guest)
quote:
Originally posted by Kindred:
So, the final question would be, WHY on earth would they even want to BE here if they are in disagreement with us so much?????

Seems like they would rather be on their 'own' ground.

But of course, most of them are getting rich here, plus receiving FREE education. So maybe I am answering my own question.

The ''rich'' ones are sending money back to family left and right though.

Not only are all our good jobs going to other countries, all the money that the convenience stores and motels are also leaving.

Something WRONG with this picture???? And we all know that SLEEPER CELLS still exist far and wide within the US of A.


Exactly,you said it all.
miamizsunmiamizsunHall of Famer
If they strictly follow the Quran, no.

The same applies to someone who follows the Bible to the letter too. So, Christians, strictly speaking, can't either.

What the vast majority of Christians don't know or don't want to admit is that Jesus didn't repudiate the Old Testament. So that still applies. We see millions of moderate Christians today. Christianity for them has been somewhat tempered with logic and reason. This is why we see the "interpretive versions" of Christianity. They see that it clearly goes against the common sense laws of today.
jmzgaljmzgalEverybody Knows My Name
That is what it looks like 'e.' They send it out and hope to find the gullable folks to scare.

Kindred, the ones that are here want to be here, yes to receive an education, be successful in business and in life. They do not want violence and harm to come to anyone.

Sleeper cells? Maybe so. There is always a possibility of that. But remember before 9-11 our biggest terrorist was our "good ole boy Tim McVeigh and his buddy Terry Nichols. Tim had even been in the Army! Why nobody would have ever thought he could do such a thing. Oklahoma City would have never thought it either...but they have a Memorial at the Murrah Building site for the 168 dead and 800 injured.

We need to be vigilent, not scared. Pointing out a particular group, race or religion just because of a few rotten apples is not the answer..we have enough of our own rotten ones here.
Neal HughesNeal HughesHall of Famer
The original poster is propogating a pack of lies about Islam, Islamic culture in general, and the religion specifically.
Islam is a sister religion to both Judaism and Christianity. "Allah" is merely the Arabic word for God, the same root in the Arabic is in the word "EL" for the Hebrew word for God, as in Beth-El, or Bethel, the "House of God," the ancient cult site in Israel.
Islam is derived from the three consonants slm which is cognate in Hebrew as well, hence, Jerusalem, Soloman, and Islam. Slm is the root for peace.
Islam is a vociferiously monotheistic religion -- there is no "moon god" in Islam. There was at one time, several idols in Mekkah, but Mohammed destroyed the idols in the Kaaba around the year 600 A.D. Devout Muslims have no religious iconography at all, rather highly decorative abstract art and calligraphy in its place.
Abraham is the main prophet of Islam, along with Adam, Yaya (John the Baptist) and Isa (Jesus Christ) and the Virgin Mary (Miryan) is taught to be the virgin mother of Isa.
One can be a nationalist and a Muslim at the same time! Witness the largest Muslim nation on earth, Indonesia, or Turkey in Europe and Near Asia!
There is a small pack of fanatic Hanafi ultraorthodox Muslims, as personified by the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda and the Taliban who seek to restore a worldwide caliphate, as well as shariah rule, and where there is no room for nationalism at all. Their archenemies are not the West, rather other Muslims, especially the Shia.
The entire agenda against the West is rooted in its support of Israel and the presence of Western troops on soil they view as "holy", i.e., Arabian soil, and the fact that Jerusalam (al Quds) is under Israeli control. Jerusalem is the third holy city of Islam, by the way, after Mekkah and Medina.
Islam does not command men to marry four women, rather that four is the most that Mohammed felt that a man could care for. Evidently Soloman could love and care for 1000 and Jacob had not a whit of a problem with both Leah and Rachel.
You lot ought to learn a bit about Islam if you are so afraid of it before engaging in scare tactics, but that would require turning off the TV or the radio and actually reading more than forums and tenth-round emails.
You probably think Muslim babies are born blind with tails!
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
quote:
What the vast majority of Christians don't know or don't want to admit is that Jesus didn't repudiate the Old Testament. So that still applies.


Hebrews 9:15

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

The whole point of Christ coming and dying was to create the new law. He did in fact repudiate the Old Testament. Christians follow his teachings and Jews follow the Old Testament.

As for Muslims being good Americans, it's up to them. I have a hard time believing every Muslim in this country wants to destroy it.
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
While I think you have a pretty messed up view of the Bible, Nash, I'm with you on that last part.

Also, I spent some time in Murfreesboro this past weekend, and we loved it! My wife and I are probably going to be moving there soon. You'd think they could spare one of the 400 Starbucks they have so we could have one in Florence!
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
We looked at a couple sub-divisions and found out that it really is a buyer's market right now. Quite impressive. We tried out the ice cream spot next to Jason's Deli and knew we'd found a home!

Messed up was a little over the top. I should have said that I don't really agree with what I think you said. If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, how is his nature, as made evident by his actions in the OT, so different in the NT? I don't think it is, and I think that looking the Old Testament as an archaic, fulfilled, and unnecessary collection of texts neglects the avenues through which we can discover the things about God's nature that could bring a person to the same conclusions that the original post came to about Muslims.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
quote:
We looked at a couple sub-divisions and found out that it really is a buyer's market right now. Quite impressive. We tried out the ice cream spot next to Jason's Deli and knew we'd found a home!


Marble Slab Creamery, that place is great! That whole area has popped up in the last two years. I remember when I could drive Thompson Lane and hit Memorial with barely any traffic. Not anymore.

Next time you're in the area, try Kirkenburt's BBQ. It's on Cason Lane off of Hwy 96 right across from DQ. By far best BBQ & Wings in town, family friendly, and locally owned. If you like college basketball, MT is Division 1, has a great facility, and tix are only $10.

I hope you're able to move here, I really enjoy it. If you need a good realitor PM me. I have a good friend that helped us out tremendously.

As for the Bible I think we have to agree to disagree. God is the same, but his covenant was changed with Jesus. He brought the new law and new way of salvation which is different than the Old. I heard someone say that the whole Bible is about Jesus, the Old predicts his coming and the New is about His arrival and bringing the new way. That's just the way I read it.
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
Disagreement: agreed.

We will definitely try that BBQ place out next time. We were amazed at how many places to eat there are! And that new mall?! Whew! That's awesome.

Where would you recommend looking for a place to live? We found a couple good spots off Cason, but some folks warned us about the traffic. Have you heard of or been to the Hawksridge subdivision? We liked a lot of what we saw there.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
I live in a neighborhood right off Cason Lane, traffic can be pretty bad at times. Friday nights are the worst because there are several places to eat plus the 16 screen movie theatre all jammed together.

Evergreen Farms is a nice area, affordable and values are going up. Really easy access to the interstate and 10 minutes or less to just about every store you can think of.

Hawksridge is a nice area on the opposite side of town. Traffic isn't quite as bad and you're close to the VA 9 hole golf course, SportsCom (city owned fitness center w/ indoor & outdoor pool). You would be about 20 min from most of the restaurants & shopping. I haven't been on that side of town in a while so there are probably a lot more things that have gone up there.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by MarianLibrarian:
Have any of you who think that Muslims are so scary and dangerous ever actually worked, gone to school, or chatted with a Muslim? I have never met a Muslim who scares me as much as Bill Gray does.


I have, several times!!! And I have weird feelings around ''some'' of them, not all of them though.

Radical Christians are people who I watch too, no one HAS to be radical if they are a TRUE believer.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by mrbradg:
This forum is full of racist pigs that live in Alabama. It's gross.


What a sweetheart you are today Roll Eyes

I am NOT a racist pig, nor is anyone I have met on this forum. Maybe you don't like what some people's opinions are, but believe me, if your next door neighbor is muslim and one day you read where they killed massive people because they were, in fact a SLEEPER CELL, then you can whine racism.

We still have a vast amount of Sleeper Cells here in this Country, no one knows where they are, not even the gov't.

So please, in your VAST INTELLIGENCE, tell me with one's are the good one's and which ones are parts of the Sleeper Cells????? I really do want to know that information!!
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
quote:
Nash: Yeah, we felt a pull toward that side of town, i.e. Lascassas, etc., because we live in such a rural place right now. We're trying to think about a way to get the best of both worlds, but I don't know if that will work yet.

I may try to get some info' from you soon about your realtor friend.


Absolutely, just send a PM when you're ready.

Lascassas is a beautiful area during the spring & summer, you'll love it. Christiana is another rural area that isn't too far from town.

If you buy a home in the county, make sure you know if it's in Murfreesboro's urban growth boundary or not. The city is annexing all the time because it's growing so fast, but only within the urban growth boundary.
*~*Manda*~**~*Manda*~*Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by zann75:
quote:
Originally posted by e:
Is this supposed to be today's dose of fear-based, ill-informed propaganda, complete with a catalogued litany of pitiful scare tactics?

If so, nice work.


No it's so people like you have something to do today because you have no life!


Ugh, What an ugly comment, Zann. *shakes head*

I actually agree with E on here, since all she did was ask a question. *sigh*

I don't think /all/ muslims should be trusted, but I also don't think /all/ muslims ARE Bad.

That to me, is saying that all Christians are bad, when there are sects of "supposed" Christians like WestBoro, or the ones that live to bomb clinics. Not all of us are like that.

There are fanatics and extremists everywhere. Is it easy to tell them apart? Absolutely not, but I feel that judging all on a "supposed Sect" of this relgion isn't fair.



Just my two cents. Smiler

~Amanda
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Neal HughesNeal HughesHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by MarianLibrarian:
Have any of you who think that Muslims are so scary and dangerous ever actually worked, gone to school, or chatted with a Muslim? I have never met a Muslim who scares me as much as Bill Gray does.


Now, Marian, of course not! The Muslim-as-pejorative types here would not know a Hindu from a Baptist, unless they had a bidi on their forehead! The ability to see past I-65 on the east and I-40 on the north escapes them. The concept that not everyone is a member of the Church of Christ or a Baptist, with pockets of Methodists and odd little enclaves of Roman Catholics or Episcopalians thwarts their provincialism. The press's laziness coupled with the neocon agenda has blinded them to reality, and they are only able to see "the other" as "dangerous," discounting the flaw in logic that such simplicity presents.
Sure there are crazy Muslims, and there are most definitely crazy Jews, Christians and atheists. Some crazy Christians post here regularly.
*~*Manda*~**~*Manda*~*Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by mrbradg:
This forum is full of racist pigs that live in Alabama. It's gross.


Actually, it's not racism. If anything it's religion-ism, since Muslims can be all colors, all ages, and from several different countries.

Still not a nice comment to make either- puts you on the same level as the ones you are calling "pigs".

~Amanda
T S CT S COld Faithful
I just wanted to point this out from the 1st post on this thread:
quote:
Originally posted by ynosyf:
(Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our president!)
He's a Muslim? When? Unless I missed it while skimming Obama's two books and sundry interviews, the senator has never mentioned being a Muslim at any point in his life. Yes, he lived in a Muslim country during part of his childhood and briefly attended a Muslim school there, but he certainly wasn't raised a Muslim and has never been, so far as I can determine, a practitioner of that faith.

That anyone, let alone a sitting U.S. senator with designs on the highest office in the land, would conceal being a Muslim for twenty-odd years while going through the outward motions of practicing Christianity (or vice-versa, for that matter) is a truly bizarre accusation. I would be tempted to dismiss it as paranoid lunacy if it weren't so obviously a crass, politically-motivated smear.

That being said - I still ain't gonna vote for him because of his political views. Imagine that... making a determination of who to vote for based on their politics instead of viral emails. What a novel idea.
ynosyfynosyfFamiliar Face
quote:
Originally posted by MarianLibrarian:
Have any of you who think that Muslims are so scary and dangerous ever actually worked, gone to school, or chatted with a Muslim? I have never met a Muslim who scares me as much as Bill Gray does.


That's exactly what the people that knew the 9/11 illegal alien murdering hijackers said about them.
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
Don't judge all christians by Fred Phelps; don't judge all muslims by Osama bin Laden. All we really know is that for a short period in his life Obama went to a muslim school. As an adult, he appears to regularly attend a nominally christian church. Is he devout? Who knows; only he and God.

Sure, a muslim can be a good American. It's pretty difficult sometimes, but I work with a number of them. Knew a few in the military as well. Back in the sixties it was "can a catholic be a good American" because everyone KNEW that JFK was going to take orders from the pope. Twenty years before that it was "can a person of Japanese descent be a good American" so we rounded them up and put them in camps. I like the point brought out earlier about "can a christian be a good American".

I've got to pretty much admire Obama about this, though. He had to know that stuff would be dug up and he would have to face all the criticism. Presumably his attendance in the muslim school was not even his choice. I know I'd never want to run for office with people bringing up the drinking, divorce, womanizing, fast driving, and violence in my past. I don't admire him enough to vote for him, though. Except if it was a race between him and the Hildebeest. Then he'd be my choice hands-down.
K kazem7419Small Talker
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kindred:
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"if your next door neighbor is muslim and one day you read where they killed massive people because they were, in fact a SLEEPER CELL, then you can whine racism."

"We still have a vast amount of Sleeper Cells here in this Country, no one knows where they are, not even the gov't."

Hi Kindred,
It has been a while. I agree with you that not all members of this forum are racist, well, I have wondered about the ones that post disclaimers about not being racist before they post their opinions. To get to the point at hand I would like to relate that there are no sleeper cells in the United States of America. I believe the CIA and the FBI have everything under wraps. It's not like they are not in Muslim communities watching activities 24-7. They do have Muslims involved in watching neighborhoods and reporting activities too, along with Muslims that are employed with these agencies. The whole reason I'm posting this is to try to calm some of your concerns. Sometimes people post opinions in these forums to keep people up in arms and worried about what could happen. Believe me a majority of it is hypothetical, propaganda if you would. You have been posting in the forum with a Muslim for a few months now and I've never had a cross thought for you or your forum family. Please keep in mind that for every 1 radical Muslim there are about 100,000 moderate Muslims. I will say once again that, "unfortunately the moderates do not get the media attention." With that I will conclude this post with letting you know that if I lived as your neighbor I would have more concern for your safety and well being than my own. Tell "Manda", Mr. and MS. Roofer, O.B, Heub, Yankee, Sammi, e, monster, DogSoldier, Deepfat and numbers of others I said "Hi!"
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K kazem7419Small Talker
quote:
Originally posted by ynosyf:
quote:
Originally posted by MarianLibrarian:
Have any of you who think that Muslims are so scary and dangerous ever actually worked, gone to school, or chatted with a Muslim? I have never met a Muslim who scares me as much as Bill Gray does.


That's exactly what the people that knew the 9/11 illegal alien murdering hijackers said about them.


Is this what they said before or after the hijacking?

Those hijackers never lived in the United States. They come in, learned to fly, and committed suicide. I think they recruited a couple of students, but that's not really living here. How could anyone know anything about the hijackers? No one knew them.
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