The 2020 election is closer now and the Democratic field of candidates is huge in hopes they can defeat Donald Trump.  I have one simple question to ask of our Democratic members on here.

WHY should I vote for a Democrat in the coming Presidential election, any of them for that matter?  Here is the stipulation though.  The reason(s) you provide must not include anything that has to do with the Republican Party or Donald Trump.   In other words what do Democrats have to offer that should entice a voter to consider them in 2020?   I am not wanting, nor looking, for a reason to vote for a Democrat that includes a negative for Republicans or Donald Trump.  By that I mean a statement or reason like Donald Trump obstructed Justice or because Republicans are for big business.  

If you cannot provide reasons why people should vote for Democrats based upon what they are going to do for the Country other than what Republicans will do then don't list anything.  The trouble with politics today is too many list reasons to vote against candidates of a certain party or against a certain candidate and never seem to list the reasons why a person or party should get a person's vote so here is your chance to sell your party and your candidates.

Why should people vote Democratic in the 2020 elections?

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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Democrats exist in name only, the last of that conquered cult was 
finished off circa 2000. Replaced because of their greed by the power
of big money without any trouble by extreme left liberal anti Americas,
Islam, MSM and the UN. The same happened in Cuba mid 20th century. 
 
How many are too stupid to not know/ignore what's going on now.?

First let me say (although there will be some that will not believe it) I consider myself an independent voter who will vote for the person and not the party, who will vote based upon a person's stances and positions rather than strictly vote for a party.  I am also a Conservative Christian, for the most part, and the ones that usually get my vote are the ones who support platforms and issues that are conservative and/or Christian leaning.  Because our nation is not a theocracy nor should it ever be, nor would I want it to ever be, I look more for someone that is in favor of freedom of Religion or not to be but my support for a candidate usually is a composite of things and issues.  Of late I have to admit that no Democrat has come close to meeting the issues and positions that I find important but I keep listening and hope that there is some rationality and reason within the party for I do believe a two party system is important for our Nation.

The above said I find that more and more, today, it seems that Democrats, or those leaning Democrat, have one reason to vote Democrat and that reason is to vote against a Republican.  Most demonize, unrealistically Republicans just because they are Republican and for no other good reason.  I wanted to give the democrats, on the forum or that happen by, to provide reasons to vote Democrat that had no basis in anything at all Republican.  In other words provide valid reasons that someone should support a Democrat candidate based upon positions they take.  What are those positions?  If any reason has, as a component of it, anything to do with Donald Trump, or anything to do with anything Republican then I consider that a disqualified for an answer.  I want to see if Democrats stand for anything, any issue, other than not being a Republican.

Jack Hammer posted:
Democrats exist in name only, the last of that conquered cult was 
finished off circa 2000. Replaced because of their greed by the power
of big money without any trouble by extreme left liberal anti Americas,
Islam, MSM and the UN. The same happened in Cuba mid 20th century. 
 
How many are too stupid to not know/ignore what's going on now.?

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I'll vote Democrat, because I want America to have allies. I want America to have a stable economy. I want Americans to be able to afford to have a life instead of working 3 jobs to pay bills. Republicans will never help the average American. They never have and they never will.

L. Cranston posted:
Jack Hammer posted:

Please read the facts for yourself instead of ignoring them.

Exactly what I expected. Not one shred of proof for your ridiculous claims.

If a Republican makes a post, you know it's a lie or propaganda from Fox News Entertainment.

If you were religious you'd know Pearls aren't coming your way.
The swine know their place .
Jack Hammer posted:
L. Cranston posted:
Jack Hammer posted:

Please read the facts for yourself instead of ignoring them.

Exactly what I expected. Not one shred of proof for your ridiculous claims.

If a Republican makes a post, you know it's a lie or propaganda from Fox News Entertainment.

If you were religious you'd know Pearls aren't coming your way.
The swine know their place .

Well, since you know so much about it, be happy in your sty.

L. Cranston posted:

I'll vote Democrat, because I want America to have allies. I want America to have a stable economy. I want Americans to be able to afford to have a life instead of working 3 jobs to pay bills. Republicans will never help the average American. They never have and they never will.

With regards to our allies who would you think are our number one allies?  I would say England, Canada, and Israel primarily of which the Obama administration sought actively to cause leadership change in Israel and was never close to Israel but actually, with the Iranian Nuke agreement promised to supply a heads up notice if Israel was about to attack them.  Trump is supporting Israel far more than any previous US President bar none.  Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and Trump also is maintaining close relations with Egypt and the Saudis.  

With respect to the economy Obama and the Democrats had control (total control, uncontested, from 2008-2010) from 2008 through 2016 yet the GDP never was above 2% and economic growth was null.  Obama even told many workers that were  in the steel and coal business that they jobs would never return that it would take some miraculous magic wand for that to happen yet their jobs returned after Trump was elected with his removal of harsh restrictions that  Obama and the Democrats had imposed.  In fact Trump Manufacturing Jobs Boom: 10 Times Obama's Over 21 Months.  Under Trump there is RECORD minority unemployment and employment as there is record unemployment and employment for hispanics as well and wages are up and tax breaks did put up to $1000 in workers pockets, a move Nancy Pelosi called as much as peanuts.  Everyone, rich and poor profited.  Like it or not jobs Obama said wouldn't come back HAVE COME BACK and for average American workers.

With respect to working 3 jobs instead of one the Democrats deserve a share of that blame if not all of it when they changed healthcare the way they did.  Employers restricted many workers hours to keep from a huge healthcare expense so workers had to work 3 jobs to make up for one 40 hour job they could have had if the employer wasn't having to pay the extra burdened cost imposed by Obama and healthcare.

So in order for your statement to be true you would have to prove/demonstrate that the economy has declined since Trump took over.  So where is that proof?  Where is the evidence of what you allege?  Your argument to vote Democrat is not persuasive nor correct.  Care to try again?

Jutu posted:

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Cooking tips from Alexandria Ocasio Cortez-"Tired of boiling water every time you make pasta? Boil a few gallons at the beginning of the week and freeze it for later".

 

I'm guessing she really likes that tip and thinks it's funny she didn't
think of it before. She'll have a cook book out shorty.
L. Cranston posted:
Jutu posted:

GB...it looks like you're trying reason with a democrat. It can't be done due to their lack of common sense and lack of intelligence.

Here's your big chance, GBRK. Lets see what you have to say to someone who hates Democrats.

I think your judging JUTU unfairly.  I don't see anything in her post that indicates or even resembles what would be termed as "hate".  Likewise I haven't seen, or recall, any of your post resembling hatred either but then I'm sure one person sees things differently.  All of us at times can be accused of being inflexible in our views and opinions and it is that inflexibility (not hate) that I believe Jutu is exercising.  You have also indicated no less with respect to me and other members but I don't see it as hate toward me.  I may believe you to be incorrect in the way you characterize me, at times, but I'm sure you have your reason.  I can only disagree and attempt to reason with you for an exception.  

If you believe Jutu has crossed the line and is acting unfairly toward you then you should address that with them/her.   Likewise if someone believes you to be acting unfairly then they should address that with you.  It's not my place to judge another forum member, you included.  I can, and will, only stipulate that I don't believe you to lack intelligence I just believe you see things more in black and white rather than shades of gray.  That is to say Democrats always good and Republicans always bad and maybe at times I do the same thing as well and if so should be called on it.  

gbrk posted:
L. Cranston posted:
Jutu posted:

GB...it looks like you're trying reason with a democrat. It can't be done due to their lack of common sense and lack of intelligence.

Here's your big chance, GBRK. Lets see what you have to say to someone who hates Democrats.

I think your judging JUTU unfairly.  I don't see anything in her post that indicates or even resembles what would be termed as "hate".  Likewise I haven't seen, or recall, any of your post resembling hatred either but then I'm sure one person sees things differently.  All of us at times can be accused of being inflexible in our views and opinions and it is that inflexibility (not hate) that I believe Jutu is exercising.  You have also indicated no less with respect to me and other members but I don't see it as hate toward me.  I may believe you to be incorrect in the way you characterize me, at times, but I'm sure you have your reason.  I can only disagree and attempt to reason with you for an exception.  

If you believe Jutu has crossed the line and is acting unfairly toward you then you should address that with them/her.   Likewise if someone believes you to be acting unfairly then they should address that with you.  It's not my place to judge another forum member, you included.  I can, and will, only stipulate that I don't believe you to lack intelligence I just believe you see things more in black and white rather than shades of gray.  That is to say Democrats always good and Republicans always bad and maybe at times I do the same thing as well and if so should be called on it.  

Trying to chastise me for 'seeing only one side' and  yet, Jutu, who made the statement of all Democrats being stupid, gets a free pass from you...

You can't see your own hypocrisy for your own bias. Next time you feel the need to try to correct me for 'being too liberal' stick your head back up your backside and skip my post.

L. Cranston posted:
gbrk posted:
L. Cranston posted:
Jutu posted:

GB...it looks like you're trying reason with a democrat. It can't be done due to their lack of common sense and lack of intelligence.

Here's your big chance, GBRK. Lets see what you have to say to someone who hates Democrats.

I think your judging JUTU unfairly.  I don't see anything in her post that indicates or even resembles what would be termed as "hate".  Likewise I haven't seen, or recall, any of your post resembling hatred either but then I'm sure one person sees things differently.  All of us at times can be accused of being inflexible in our views and opinions and it is that inflexibility (not hate) that I believe Jutu is exercising.  You have also indicated no less with respect to me and other members but I don't see it as hate toward me.  I may believe you to be incorrect in the way you characterize me, at times, but I'm sure you have your reason.  I can only disagree and attempt to reason with you for an exception.  

If you believe Jutu has crossed the line and is acting unfairly toward you then you should address that with them/her.   Likewise if someone believes you to be acting unfairly then they should address that with you.  It's not my place to judge another forum member, you included.  I can, and will, only stipulate that I don't believe you to lack intelligence I just believe you see things more in black and white rather than shades of gray.  That is to say Democrats always good and Republicans always bad and maybe at times I do the same thing as well and if so should be called on it.  

Trying to chastise me for 'seeing only one side' and  yet, Jutu, who made the statement of all Democrats being stupid, gets a free pass from you...

You can't see your own hypocrisy for your own bias. Next time you feel the need to try to correct me for 'being too liberal' stick your head back up your backside and skip my post.

Excuse me if I jumped to the conclusion that you only see one side but I have yet to see you do anything but.  Usually a two way dialog works best but often when you paint everyone else as foes and react that way then it usually leads to you being blocked.  I'm sorry you believe you are attacked by everyone and that everyone has a problem and you alone are the advocate of reason and truth.  When you continually isolate yourself then you end up talking to only yourself as no one else cares to enter in dialog with you.  Given your response it seems you care not to have a conversation so I will entertain your wishes and will block your post so I don't have to see them and respond and that way you don't have to worry about my hypocrisy unless you just seek my post out. 

I think the best course of action for yourself feeling as you do is to block all screen names that you categorize as foes, enemies, Republicans, hypocrites, etc .. etc.  and thus you can communicate and have dialog with others who of of like mind and cause.  Of course that may limit the number of people and post you see down to maybe 1% of what's posted on here but at least you don't have to worry about us hypocrites. 

gbrk posted:
L. Cranston posted:
gbrk posted:
L. Cranston posted:
Jutu posted:

GB...it looks like you're trying reason with a democrat. It can't be done due to their lack of common sense and lack of intelligence.

Here's your big chance, GBRK. Lets see what you have to say to someone who hates Democrats.

I think your judging JUTU unfairly.  I don't see anything in her post that indicates or even resembles what would be termed as "hate".  Likewise I haven't seen, or recall, any of your post resembling hatred either but then I'm sure one person sees things differently.  All of us at times can be accused of being inflexible in our views and opinions and it is that inflexibility (not hate) that I believe Jutu is exercising.  You have also indicated no less with respect to me and other members but I don't see it as hate toward me.  I may believe you to be incorrect in the way you characterize me, at times, but I'm sure you have your reason.  I can only disagree and attempt to reason with you for an exception.  

If you believe Jutu has crossed the line and is acting unfairly toward you then you should address that with them/her.   Likewise if someone believes you to be acting unfairly then they should address that with you.  It's not my place to judge another forum member, you included.  I can, and will, only stipulate that I don't believe you to lack intelligence I just believe you see things more in black and white rather than shades of gray.  That is to say Democrats always good and Republicans always bad and maybe at times I do the same thing as well and if so should be called on it.  

Trying to chastise me for 'seeing only one side' and  yet, Jutu, who made the statement of all Democrats being stupid, gets a free pass from you...

You can't see your own hypocrisy for your own bias. Next time you feel the need to try to correct me for 'being too liberal' stick your head back up your backside and skip my post.

Excuse me if I jumped to the conclusion that you only see one side but I have yet to see you do anything but.  Usually a two way dialog works best but often when you paint everyone else as foes and react that way then it usually leads to you being blocked.  I'm sorry you believe you are attacked by everyone and that everyone has a problem and you alone are the advocate of reason and truth.  When you continually isolate yourself then you end up talking to only yourself as no one else cares to enter in dialog with you.  Given your response it seems you care not to have a conversation so I will entertain your wishes and will block your post so I don't have to see them and respond and that way you don't have to worry about my hypocrisy unless you just seek my post out. 

I think the best course of action for yourself feeling as you do is to block all screen names that you categorize as foes, enemies, Republicans, hypocrites, etc .. etc.  and thus you can communicate and have dialog with others who of of like mind and cause.  Of course that may limit the number of people and post you see down to maybe 1% of what's posted on here but at least you don't have to worry about us hypocrites. 

WOW! Talk about jumping the shark. No where did I say I was attacked. No where did I say I was the 'only voice of reason'. No where did I attack 'everyone'.

You chose to address me and tell me I was totally bias and should open up to the Republican way of thinking. You chose to tell me I was too bias. You had your chance to prove you were being civil when another poster made ridiculous  claims about Democrats. You chose to be a hypocrite. How about you work on yourself instead of giving out unwanted advice.

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