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She states very plainly that "All Americans will have universal healthcare" -- she's setting herself up for a fall...

These are the type things that she says that make me distrust her. If she promised that all children and elderly would have universal healthcare--I could see that happening before I could ALL AMericans.

She doesn't give any details as to her "plan" but pretty much that she's going to demand it happen...Sorry (this will sound very sarcstic) but she is not Samantha from "BeWitched" -- she can't just wiggle her nose and it happen.

Most of you know my personal view on her being president and I don't think we'll see it in 2008, but I just wanted your opinions to see where my thinking may be flawed....
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Originally posted by stephanie:
She states very plainly that "All Americans will have universal healthcare" -- she's setting herself up for a fall...

These are the type things that she says that make me distrust her. If she promised that all children and elderly would have universal healthcare--I could see that happening before I could ALL AMericans.

She doesn't give any details as to her "plan" but pretty much that she's going to demand it happen...Sorry (this will sound very sarcstic) but she is not Samantha from "BeWitched" -- she can't just wiggle her nose and it happen.

Most of you know my personal view on her being president and I don't think we'll see it in 2008, but I just wanted your opinions to see where my thinking may be flawed....


Didn't she make this same promise the first time she was President? Confused Big Grin
Steph:

I'm ready for it. Not that I prefer universal healthcare, but let's go for it.

See, my theory is that Americans have become lazy, complacent, and obsessed with entitlements and rights to tangibles. Eventually, we will vote in Worker's Paradise Democrats who will promise the fruits of the country's collective effort to everyone, regardless of input. When that happens, I am going to become a poet.

So, let's get it on. We already have made education an entitlement to all. Let's make medicine one, too. Let's throw in housing, food, utilities, entertainment, and a Buick, as well.

There is only one political philosophy from which Hitlery gets her guidance on this issue: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

DF
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Steph:

I'm ready for it. Not that I prefer universal healthcare, but let's go for it.

See, my theory is that Americans have become lazy, complacent, and obsessed with entitlements and rights to tangibles. Eventually, we will vote in Worker's Paradise Democrats who will promise the fruits of the country's collective effort to everyone, regardless of input. When that happens, I am going to become a poet.

So, let's get it on. We already have made education an entitlement to all. Let's make medicine one, too. Let's throw in housing, food, utilities, entertainment, and a Buick, as well.

There is only one political philosophy from which Hitlery gets her guidance on this issue: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

DF


When this happens DF, I'm gonna become a pro fisherman. Might as well enjoy myself if the gov't is gonna pay for everything... Big Grin
I'm right there with you in some respects, but if we are already struggling to keep Social Security above water -- how are we going to do this with healthcare? We have education as an entitlement, but look at how poorly our schools are doing? And don't start the "no child left behind" is the reason for this--NCLB was Bush's answer to the already existing problems.

I'm just saying -- she sounds good -- she's a great politician, but can she deliver? And if she can't deliver -- will you fry her in the media like others have done Bush, CLinton, Sr. Bush and REagan? I know its a given she will be fried, but are you going to jump on the bandwagon and preach for a "regime change" like you have done with Bush? What will the "anti-neo-conservatives" and "left wing" or whatever you want to call it -- the ones that are so against Bush -- are you going to be on the side of whoever is not in office then like you are now? Or are you going to do like those of us that see Bush's wrongs, but try to support the President for the sake of he is my commander in chief?

Bluntly, when Hillary or Obama or McCain or whoever gets into office and doesn't live up to your expectations -- are you going to bash them or rake them over the coals like you have Bush?

Just a thought -- I really don't care, because you are entitled to your opinon. But you tell me how wrong I am for my thoughts, opinions and beliefs -- yet I wonder whose side you'll be on then?

No, I'm not attacking anyone or baiting or trolling or pushing buttons -- I'm just asking a question -- no need to try to go for the jugular this time -- I don't want a fight -- just opinions...
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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
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When this happens DF, I'm gonna become a pro fisherman. Might as well enjoy myself if the gov't is gonna pay for everything... Big Grin


Marry your fishing buddy too for the tax break Wink


HEYYYYY, if he can marry his buddy, then I want to keep my dog and sell my wife? is that how it works?... Big Grin
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Steph:

I'm ready for it. Not that I prefer universal healthcare, but let's go for it.

See, my theory is that Americans have become lazy, complacent, and obsessed with entitlements and rights to tangibles. Eventually, we will vote in Worker's Paradise Democrats who will promise the fruits of the country's collective effort to everyone, regardless of input. When that happens, I am going to become a poet.

So, let's get it on. We already have made education an entitlement to all. Let's make medicine one, too. Let's throw in housing, food, utilities, entertainment, and a Buick, as well.

There is only one political philosophy from which Hitlery gets her guidance on this issue: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

DF


Only one problem I myself want a Corvette, or Viper, you see I love sports cars Big Grin I'm not into Buicks myself (Oh, Oh, I'll be crucified for that remark. Frowner) Well at least it is American made, and produced right here in the Great U.S.of A. by the greatest workers in the world, the American worker.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen's)
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She can, but only if the issue carries over to the Senate and House races at the local level and supporters are elected. Problem is the issue will be ignored because it is so controversial unless a large number of people get behind it.
It is an issue that could get Green Party candidates elected to the US house in several states, and in those states it will probably be on the campaign agenda.
I would not vote for a Presidential candidate who was opposed to universal health care, but I would not vote for a candidate who supported it and stood for continuing the occupation of Iraq.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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She can, but only if the issue carries over to the Senate and House races at the local level and supporters are elected. Problem is the issue will be ignored because it is so controversial unless a large number of people get behind it.
It is an issue that could get Green Party candidates elected to the US house in several states, and in those states it will probably be on the campaign agenda.
I would not vote for a Presidential candidate who was opposed to universal health care, but I would not vote for a candidate who supported it and stood for continuing the occupation of Iraq.


One of the reasons I ask is because like a comment earlier -- everyone says she did such a good job reforming it during Clinton's presidency -- if she had done such a good job -- shouldn't we be closer to universal care now than we are? Are we close and no one is focusing on it or are we as far as now as when this started 12 years ago?
Stephanie this an interewsting question but calls for a forcast more than an answer, at least for me. Can Ms Clinton deliver healthcare for all US citizens if she is elected President? If that is the question my reply would be no. In all fairness to Ms C. I don't think any President could deliver on healthcare, the obstacles appear overwhelming. Many excellent reasons have already been voiced.
I am disabled, retired and a veteran. If I had to just rely on SS for my livlihood it would be dire. Without medicare I could not afford healthcare at all. I see no way that the majority of voters will opt to pay for what universal healthcare will cost. Congress can fix this not a President, and Congress, as we all know, is useless.
89,

I know you made your statement about leaving tongue-in-cheek, but you raise a serious point.

Hillary is a radical, and about half the country does not like her radical views. If she becomes president (Lordy, lordy) I just don't see half the country sitting still for it.

I'm not predicting civil war, but I can see about 40 million productive people quitting their jobs and marching down to the Welfare office for HillaryCare, HillaryFeed, HillaryRent, etc.

DF
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
89,

I know you made your statement about leaving tongue-in-cheek, but you raise a serious point.

Hillary is a radical, and about half the country does not like her radical views. If she becomes president (Lordy, lordy) I just don't see half the country sitting still for it.

I'm not predicting civil war, but I can see about 40 million productive people quitting their jobs and marching down to the Welfare office for HillaryCare, HillaryFeed, HillaryRent, etc.

DF


Good point. Wink
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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She can, but only if the issue carries over to the Senate and House races at the local level and supporters are elected. Problem is the issue will be ignored because it is so controversial unless a large number of people get behind it.
It is an issue that could get Green Party candidates elected to the US house in several states, and in those states it will probably be on the campaign agenda.
I would not vote for a Presidential candidate who was opposed to universal health care, but I would not vote for a candidate who supported it and stood for continuing the occupation of Iraq.


Good Point!!! It is successfully working for many other countries, so why should it NOT work for us????

Hillary, IF ELECTED, would be a far cry better than what we have. My money, at THIS POINT IN TIME is on Obama though.
I'm with bluesman -- I don't have a pick at this point -- McCain if I had to choose today. I agree with the fact that Hillary can't do it alone -- Congress will have to do their part and we are a far cry from that happening.

I just still may get shocked -- but I don't Hillary having a shot at this. If she were the Vice President -- I'd see her candidte winning more so, than her as the front runner.

I'm still not too sure about Obama either at this point. I'm reserving my thoughts on that til I learn more...

Thanks guys and gals --

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