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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
It is also out of Obama's control and out of our control. It is up to the people of New York and their governor. As such arguing her qualifications is moot for people in Alabama.


Well it is not up to the people of NY,ONLY the governor....I am simply stating she should not be the nominee
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Originally posted by Zeb:
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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
It is also out of Obama's control and out of our control. It is up to the people of New York and their governor. As such arguing her qualifications is moot for people in Alabama.


Well it is not up to the people of NY,ONLY the governor....I am simply stating she should not be the nominee


Agreed. I over typed (is that a phrase?). Better yet, I was wrong. It is the governor that will decide. It will then be up to the people to toss her at the next election for that position.

On that point, while I voted Democratic I cannot understand how Hillary became their senator. I thought the Clintons were residents of Arkansas. The residency requirements must be very short in New York.

In that respect, is Caroline Kennedy a resident of New York? While I don't necessarily take sides in the issue of whether she is qualified, I do find the way New York selects senators to be odd.
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Originally posted by Zeb:
It is insanity that this idea has even been floated,she has 0 qualifications,i sure hope she is not appointed,if she runs and the people elect her then fine,but hopefully she is not appointed


Why Zeb, she probably has more qualifications than our president-elect. As mean pointed out she has an education. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by Zeb:
It is insanity that this idea has even been floated,she has 0 qualifications,i sure hope she is not appointed,if she runs and the people elect her then fine,but hopefully she is not appointed


Why Zeb, she probably has more qualifications than our president-elect. As mean pointed out she has an education. Roll Eyes


Are you implying that a person who was head of their class of Harvard Law School does not have an education?
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by Zeb:
It is insanity that this idea has even been floated,she has 0 qualifications,i sure hope she is not appointed,if she runs and the people elect her then fine,but hopefully she is not appointed


Why Zeb, she probably has more qualifications than our president-elect. As mean pointed out she has an education. Roll Eyes


Obama has a better educational background than our current President. All that aside - I think Roll Eyes most of the previous posts went right over your head. You missed the whole thing.
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Originally posted by redbull:
You mean Obama and Bush went the SAME college? Harvard? OMG!! Guess this means you can't have one without the other Big Grin.

Of course Bush had more EXPERIENCE than Obama has, but hey he went to Harvard. Sure would love to see his grades.


You mean Bush was president of the Harvard Law Review?
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review


By FOX BUTTERFIELD, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: February 6, 1990

The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.

The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

''The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress,'' Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ''It's encouraging.
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Originally posted by LMM:
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review


By FOX BUTTERFIELD, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: February 6, 1990

The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.

The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

''The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress,'' Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ''It's encouraging.


So you are saying he gets his jobs / positions because of his race and not his capabilities? Interesting.
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
I'm afraid Carolyn's consideration for U.S. Senator smacks too much of aristocracy.

We should not have a ruling class in the USA. The Kennedys seem to get any political office they ask for.

Maybe Carolyn is qualified. If so, she should at least run in a contested election. Otherwise, it stinks.

DF


I must admit that there is a hint of aristocracy if not pure blind luck. It seems as if that family has the extremes of good luck and bad luck, nothing in between. The argument against her appointment by aristocracy is more realistic than education.
I think she is well qualified for the job with education and leadership experience. She is however, not a pushy type of person and may not want the job. I understand the push is coming from her cousin Robert.
DF, As I understand it, the post will be filled with an appointment until the regular election cycle. Most states have that requirement, whether or not you like it.
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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
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Originally posted by LMM:
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review


By FOX BUTTERFIELD, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: February 6, 1990

The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.

The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

''The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress,'' Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ''It's encouraging.


So you are saying he gets his jobs / positions because of his race and not his capabilities? Interesting.

The facts do tend to support that theory, my opinion not entering into the equation.
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Originally posted by LMM:
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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
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Originally posted by LMM:
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review


By FOX BUTTERFIELD, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: February 6, 1990

The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.

The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

''The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress,'' Mr. Obama said today in an interview. ''It's encouraging.


So you are saying he gets his jobs / positions because of his race and not his capabilities? Interesting.

The facts do tend to support that theory, my opinion not entering into the equation.


Interesting. One would only draw that conclusion if the tendency to do so were in their mind as the two are fairly separate in his life and it was a conclusion I hadn't seen. Your opinion must weigh into the matter for you to draw the conclusion as many people would not have thought of it. In fact, most of our discussion in any part of this forum is a matter of a person's opinion. In analogy you have now set an opinion in my mind about your thought process. But it is only an opinion and nothing more.

For example, it is the opinion of Deep Fat that God is a fictional character that does not exist except in myth. It is the opinion of Bill Gray that God created us and is omnipresent in our daily lives, providing guidance if we listen. The two have a lively debate that continues in regular intervals. Each provides their evidence to support their opinion to compel those of us reading. But each will argue to the other that it is inapplicable. (By the way, I have my own opinion but do not wish to enter their debate.)
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
I'm afraid Carolyn's consideration for U.S. Senator smacks too much of aristocracy.

We should not have a ruling class in the USA. The Kennedys seem to get any political office they ask for.

Maybe Carolyn is qualified. If so, she should at least run in a contested election. Otherwise, it stinks.

DF


Clearly the appointment must be made first. Then she can run in a "contested election". BTW, we have several political "dynasties" in this country. The bush family would be among them.
Unfortunately, I find myself in the position of agreeing with snakey. Caroline is probably no more or less qualified than anyone else who would likely be selected. I expect she is intelligent enough to grow into the job. And Jefferson argued for a hereditary component when our government was defined. It makes sense that someone who has an expectation of governing or leading would work toward that as a goal. I would have expected JFK Jr to have taken up the mantle (eventually), but it was not to be.

And truly, it appears no one really pays attention to qualifications when national leaders (or even local ones) are selected. Charisma, rather than ability, seems to be the criterion.
Snake,

Yes the Bushes come to mind in this discussion, granted. And if Jeb Bush were appointed U.S. Senator, I'd be upset about that, too, except maybe somewhat less than Carolyn. Jeb has actually won elected office and executed the job pretty well. He's actually qualified.

Carolyn is not, except for her family name, and frankly I'm sick of them.

DF

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