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I saw where three of the XO Video Night Video's that were filmed for, and aboard, the Carrier Enterprise by the then XO and now Captain. I watched the released versions which are the full versions with some faces blurred and language bleeped out. I also viewed the poll where the paper's poll has 55% favoring the, now, captain keeping his command.

My take on all this is that this is just what you get when you politicize the military, or try to. I doubt that 2% if that of the Enterprise crew were actually offended even though yes much was raunchy and the language was rough. These are sailors and this is filmed during wartime (declared or not). These films were made by sailors for sailors and, my opinion only, for overall crew entertainment and morale.

The job that these sailors have to do is a very important one and I, for one, don't want sailors worried about making political decisions and worrying about political fallout. They have specific jobs with a long deployment away from families. We, non-military, folks can't really understand or appreciate that. This man was a fighter pilot and top gun pilot so to say that he is not a Alpha-Male type guy would be an underestimate I'm sure.

These people have an "edge" to keep and maintain and a keeping a great relationship with their crews is also understandable. I'm not on the Enterprise nor have been on a ship before but I dare say everyone knows or knew what to expect from these videos and most looked forward to them for some break from the tense work they have to do. Those who would be offended would know what to expect also.

My take is .. This is the Military, for the Military, and by the Military and most likely supported by the overwhelming majority of the sailors and it's really non of our business to try and politicize their actions and tell them what's good for them. None of the people that were in the films, I'm sure, never expected they would be viewed off the ship. The XO wasn't making films to be seen by non-sailors or anyone off the Enterprise Carrier. I very much wouldn't doubt that this XO, now Captain, is among some of our best pilots and most experienced so I hope they allow him to keep his command cause I would rather have a rascal running this ship than some political grunt that will worry about every move they make being offensive to someone.

They have a dangerous, critical, and necessary job and I say let them do it the best way then can. If you have folks that are offended by this I wonder if shooting missiles and dropping bombs on people would offend them also? It's a very restricted closed environment of volunteers that are there to do a nasty job and sailors will be sailors at times.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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What makes you think that only a small percent were offended by the videos? I have family in the NAVY and perhaps because of that, I have a much higher opinion. There are some (dang, not a word to describe them that's appropriate, but you get my drift) individuals with whom sailors are forced to tolerate. You might be surprised to find, were they comfortable being completely honest, how many would love to never set eyes on this man again.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
What makes you think that only a small percent were offended by the videos? I have family in the NAVY and perhaps because of that, I have a much higher opinion. There are some (dang, not a word to describe them that's appropriate, but you get my drift) individuals with whom sailors are forced to tolerate. You might be surprised to find, were they comfortable being completely honest, how many would love to never set eyes on this man again.


Why don't you tell us what there was to be offended at?
Well, as I said, I haven't been in the military but if I had to go to war with someone I'd feel a lot more secure going to war with someone that wasn't offended at this than was. Chances are they would be shy about pulling a trigger on someone also.

I also don't doubt at all that if we, the non-military public, knew everything that went on during war and in wars of the past we would all be turned red and embarrassed at things. As I said before ... I would rather have a rascal and man like Honors running the Enterprise than some political wimp that worries about every action he/she would take being accepted by the media and politically correct folks back home.

I'd a lot rather have our enemies out there fearing the heck out of us than laughing at us. I don't doubt that there are some reputable people out there, good soldiers, that would be offended at it but overall they should be more concerned with total ship morale than their own sensitivities. They don't need to watch if they are offended but as I said before (also) I doubt in the whole 5000+ crew that less than 2% would actually be offended. Maybe more would say distasteful if produced for the public and the media but I think this is a ship issue where someone is being too hyper sensitive about sailors being sailors.
Most people would also do that Joy, myself included, but when you go to war you fight other people just like you that often don't seem all that threatening and seem, well, just like us. I don't know for sure because I haven't been there but I known people that have. First and often a few times after the first when people get shot at they mess themselves and freak out, fire wildly and miss most shots. Over time, often comes fast out of survival, they become callous to doing an unthinkable thing and often it's little things that, yes, are raunchy that brings a laugh or a light hearted moment to even them out.

Some are so hard hearted or get that way that they are so high strung that they need to find some way to level out or they would be a danger to everyone around them.

What I thought of when I saw the hub bub about all this was the Robin William's movie "Good Morning Viet Nam". I still look at it as a closed military issue and it should be tried there and not tried in the public media according to public sensitivities.

But that's just me and maybe I'm wrong. I'd love to hear from someone that is or was on the ship or in the military and can better relate to it.
Sorry, missed your last post when I sent mine. I agree with you there.

I just know these guys have to put up with some jerks sometimes, people who I am amazed ever made it to a command position at all. It would be nice if military leaders would keep a better eye and discipline those that make it hard on everyone else.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Sorry, missed your last post when I sent mine. I agree with you there.

I just know these guys have to put up with some jerks sometimes, people who I am amazed ever made it to a command position at all. It would be nice if military leaders would keep a better eye and discipline those that make it hard on everyone else.


What you say, Joy, may have merit as if you have seen many documentaries about the Ace's or Jocks of the Pilots these are people with egos that soar as high as they do. It also can be said that many in Military leadership aren't really nice folks and get there by bustin (parts of male anatomy)'s. They have a take no prisoners mentality so yeah I'm sure there are plenty of folks that don't consider them best friends. Could be Honor's did this to try and establish some kind of morale or kinship with those that fell he's that type, could be he just doesn't care what folks think.

One other thought though. Don't ask Don't tell or even making this an issue over the years and trying to politicize the military, by many, is at best frowned upon. They don't like it and could be videos and films like this are just their gut reactions to politicians trying to run the military. I don't know but I do know there are plenty of servicemen that don't agree with the politicians and these videos are mild to what responses are usually said about it. Time will tell how this falls out but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to this career man who achieved one of the most admirable positions in the Navy. Will it prevent him from ever going further? Most likely. Will it cause him to have to resign? Possibly. Anyway it goes I feel the public media getting involved in this hurts our Military, not that the Military is perfect. Has there been worse? Definitely.

If a commission is to be lost I feel it should be more over what happened with the Sub commander at Pearl who did lose his commission for an "emergency blow" that took a US Attack Submarine up through a Japanese Ship with Students on it because they circumvented a number of requirements set in place to prevent such from happening. Events like that deserve public scrutiny but issues like this video, in my opinion, should be kept an internal issue and the newspaper should have given the Navy a chance to handle it before taking it public and making it a political storm.
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From the article http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.n...aunchy-videos?cid=mr "Capt. Owen Honors produced and broadcast for the crew a series of short videos that included anti-gay remarks, sexual jokes, subordinates parading in drag and sailors pretending to masturbate and shower together."

I know few reputable individuals who are into this type of 'entertainment'. You?


Whether or not I or you 'know' anyone that likes this sort of entertainment is irrelevant. These 'homos' are offended because their 'sex' acts were viewed? Maybe they should take a second thought at just what they are offended about?

It is well known that you are a Christian homosexual supporter. I see you are at it again. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Tool:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
From the article http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.n...aunchy-videos?cid=mr "Capt. Owen Honors produced and broadcast for the crew a series of short videos that included anti-gay remarks, sexual jokes, subordinates parading in drag and sailors pretending to masturbate and shower together."

I know few reputable individuals who are into this type of 'entertainment'. You?


Whether or not I or you 'know' anyone that likes this sort of entertainment is irrelevant. These 'homos' are offended because their 'sex' acts were viewed? Maybe they should take a second thought at just what they are offended about?

It is well known that you are a Christian homosexual supporter. I see you are at it again. Roll Eyes


Hmm...seems your name and what you are have something in common. Who'd a thought? Roll Eyes
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Is that what you're all about Loki?

Are you offended when your perverted sex acts are viewd on film?


I'm offended by your animated...whateverthehellthatis that fails anyway and makes the page go so s-l-o-w-l-y.

A still shot of whatever that is would suffice.

A still shot would be just as effective
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
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Originally posted by Tool:
Is that what you're all about Loki?

Are you offended when your perverted sex acts are viewd on film?


I'm offended by your animated...whateverthehellthatis that fails anyway and makes the page go so s-l-o-w-l-y.

A still shot of whatever that is would suffice.

A still shot would be just as effective


If you're using AdBlock, just right click on his avatar and choose "block image." I do that for any animated avatar. They're irritating.
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Well it looks as if the politicians and media along with the politically correct will get their wish and the Commander will lose his Commission and no longer command the Carrier Enterprise. I think it's actually a sad moment for the overall crew and I fear that it will produce a very undesirable backlash against any perceived homosexual sailors. They may not tell who they are or make it known but in some cases people know and in other cases people wrongly suspect. Either way I fear that some of the crew will retaliate against other members of the crew they perceive were responsible for the Captain's departure.

It's also interesting to read, in the above article, the support that was coming in from crew members and their families. I hope I am wrong and surely don't have experience enough to say for sure but I've seen similar too many times in private industry and I fear that the new CO of the ship will not have near as cohesive a crew and morale over the whole of the ship will decline if they put some commander who's deemed politically correct in command. Hopefully that won't be the case but I fear that the Navy made a decision at the bequest of Washington and politicians and that the Enterprise will be the worse for it.
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Well it looks as if the politicians and media along with the politically correct will get their wish and the Commander will lose his Commission and no longer command the Carrier Enterprise. I think it's actually a sad moment for the overall crew and I fear that it will produce a very undesirable backlash against any perceived homosexual sailors. They may not tell who they are or make it known but in some cases people know and in other cases people wrongly suspect. Either way I fear that some of the crew will retaliate against other members of the crew they perceive were responsible for the Captain's departure.

It's also interesting to read, in the above article, the support that was coming in from crew members and their families. I hope I am wrong and surely don't have experience enough to say for sure but I've seen similar too many times in private industry and I fear that the new CO of the ship will not have near as cohesive a crew and morale over the whole of the ship will decline if they put some commander who's deemed politically correct in command. Hopefully that won't be the case but I fear that the Navy made a decision at the bequest of Washington and politicians and that the Enterprise will be the worse for it.



I agree with everything but the last sentence. Exchange the word "enterprise" for U.S.

Too many people are being quite/complacent with this homosexual issue. It will bite yo in the as... before long...it will be too late then. Wait till it gets instilled in every facet of our culture...children will think it is the norm.
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Originally posted by Tool:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
From the article http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.n...aunchy-videos?cid=mr "Capt. Owen Honors produced and broadcast for the crew a series of short videos that included anti-gay remarks, sexual jokes, subordinates parading in drag and sailors pretending to masturbate and shower together."

I know few reputable individuals who are into this type of 'entertainment'. You?


Whether or not I or you 'know' anyone that likes this sort of entertainment is irrelevant. These 'homos' are offended because their 'sex' acts were viewed? Maybe they should take a second thought at just what they are offended about?

It is well known that you are a Christian homosexual supporter. I see you are at it again. Roll Eyes


Ah, I see. No matter what name you go by, it's always easy to spot you because I thankfully don't converse with anyone else who spews that twisted nonsense.

It should not surprise me that you feel a person must be homosexual in order to not want to tolerate the content of these videos. Rest assured I'll never ask to borrow anything from your DVD collection. Big Grin
For those who have not been paying attention, including Captain Honors, the Pentagon (particularly the U.S. Navy) demonstrated beyond any doubt during the Tailhook episode that they will not hesitate to cashier a highly trained military aviator on whom the American taxpayers have spent well over a million dollars training and developing into a combat-ready pilot in the interest of political correctness. If you don't believe that allow me to direct your attention to Rear Admiral Bud Flagg who was the high-time A-4 pilot in VietNam and who was booted out of the Navy because of Tailhook. It is now to the point that when you see a flag officer (Generals and Admirals) you can be almost sure that you are not looking at a military animal. You are looking at a political animal. No way of ever knowing for sure but I think the smart money would have to bet against George Patton making General in today's Army.

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