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Cartoons lead to arrest of Dutch artist

Published: May 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, May 16 (UPI) -- A Dutch cartoonist has been arrested following a lengthy investigation into allegations his work was discriminatory to other races, authorities say.

Radio Netherlands said Friday that the artist, who works under the pseudonym Gregorius Nekschot, was arrested and had a number of his materials seized as part of the ongoing investigation.

The investigation into Nekschot, who has kept his identity hidden since 2005, was initially brought about after an imam complained about the artist's works.

The imam alleged the works were insulting and discriminatory against both Muslims and individuals of other races, Radio Netherlands said.

The radio report said while Nekschot was released one day after Tuesday's arrest, Parliamentary Member Boris van der Ham has questioned why the cartoonist was arrested for his "extremely controversial" works.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/05/16/cartoo...f_dutch_artist/9849/
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Hopefully soon, the government of all of the nations will have complete control over what we say, see, hear, think, and feel. It will be a much greater world when the people who don't know their arse from a hole in the ground control EVERYTHING.

Hate is in the heart of the hater. A cartoon will not change the way I feel about one person or another. Only weak minded individuals with no individuality are affected by the writings or drawings of someone.

So yeah, it's a good thing they got this "hate criminal" off the street before another radical muslim blows something up. We certainly don't want to offend them.
I did a little reading on this guy. Seems he produces some "crass" comics that some people see as "hate speech". I realize that we are not talking about the US so they have no 1st amendment, but what is the big deal? He's just as entitled to his opinion as anybody else. Right, wrong or indifferent he should be entitled to voice his opinions.
See, a socialist country that is doing so much better than we are.

Oh wait, we still have freedom of speech. Socialist countries historically don't particularly like that freedom, so they get rid of it kind of what we're seeing here.

If people like Pogo and Obama get their way, we'll be seeing more loss of freedoms like the example HR provided.

By the way, here's one of the cartoons.



I should exercise my 1st amendment rights and put this on a t-shirt. If anyone tries to start something I'll exercise my 2nd amendment rights.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Have you seen the cartoons?
No.
But; I expect that I would find them extremely offensive.
But; I don't have any right at all to not be offended.


You have all the right in the world to be offended. You also have the right to never look at them to begin with, or decide to never look at them again. To me, however, I would say that is where you rights end.
Hi Michael,

You ask, when we question the arrest of a Dutch cartoonist for drawing a cartoon showing Islamics, "Are you saying you think it's 'crazy' to get these hate criminals off the street?"

While I do not believe in demeaning anyone, their culture, their ethnicity, or their religion -- just as I will not allow them to destroy my culture and my Christianity -- I believe real life incidents such as the people shown in the photo below are much more the "hate criminals."

The photo is from an Islamic march in London and leaves no doubt about their intentions. The photo is from a London newspaper and was published in public domain on the internet. Yet, Islamics get upset over a cartoon. Give me a break!

It is all "do it my way or I will kill you" and the Liberal Left, even in other countries, are bending over backwards to accommodate them.

A great example: The Dutch, i.e., the Netherlands, were the first country to legalize same-sex marriage. Today, the Netherlands is seeing an increase in divorce rates, both homosexual and heterosexual. They have been for the past decade seen, annually, sharp increases in out of wedlock births. In other words, since the Netherlands legalized same-sex marriage; their society has been really hurting. The institution of marriage has been breaking down. And with the breakdown of the marriage comes the breakdown of that society. We see examples of this throughout history.

An excerpt from http://www.heritage.org/research/Family/wm577.cfm tells us:

As the Netherlands’ experiment in legalizing same-sex unions has illustrated, same-sex marriage in that country constituted one more step in a steady legal and social breakdown of the family. This is not to say that the data imply a causal relationship between the initiation of same-sex marriage and the breakdown of the family in the Netherlands. Rather, the redefinition of marriage furthered a general pattern of cultural and legal erosion of the institution.

America should beware, for we are told in http://www.eppc.org/news/newsID.389/news_detail.asp

The effort to legalize same-sex “marriage” in the Netherlands has gathered momentum over the last decade. It emerged from the following series of legal steps, each seeming small at the time.

And, we are told in an article in the Weekly Standard: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/126qodro.asp

Today, marriage is in trouble in the Netherlands. In the mid-1990s, out-of-wedlock births, already rising, began a steeper increase, nearly doubling to 31 percent of births in 2003. These were the very years when the debate over the legal recognition of gay relationships came to the fore in the Netherlands, culminating in the legalization of full same-sex marriage in 2000. The conjunction is no coincidence.

A careful look at the decade-long campaign for same-sex marriage in the Netherlands shows that one of its principal themes was the effort to dislodge the conviction that parenthood and marriage are intrinsically linked. Even as proponents of gay marriage argued vigorously -- and ultimately successfully -- that marriage should be just one of many relationship options, fewer Dutch parents were choosing marriage over cohabitation. No longer a marked exception on the European scene, the Dutch are now traveling down the Scandinavian path.


When Liberals convince a society that it should start compromising; there is no end to how far they will go. And we see such ridiculous incidents as a cartoonist being arrested for drawing a political cartoon. Why is it the Liberals scream for "free speech" until someone steps on their toes -- then, they start screaming for that person's blood? Think about it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!

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Didn't mean to dump on the dutch, but it keeps coming. And, the date is 9 April 08, the Europeans do it differently. A primary school in Amsterdam wished to provide its pupils with an understanding for other cultures. But during a visit to a mosque, the children were told they were dogs.

THE HAGUE, 09/04/08 - A primary school in Amsterdam wished to provide its pupils with an understanding for other cultures. But during a visit to a mosque, the children were told they were dogs.

With a view to developing understanding and respect for other cultures among children, primary school De Horizon regularly organises outings to various religious organisations. The chairman of the El Mouchidine mosque told the children from group 7 (aged 10) and their chaperones however that non-Muslims are dogs.

In a letter to the children's parents, the school expresses its regret at the incident: "We are shocked that during the guided tour, the mosque's chairman told the children and chaperoning parents that non believers were dogs. We consider this statement as unacceptable since we allow our children to partake in this project to develop respect for freedom of religious choice".

In the meantime, the school's management has addressed the mosque on the undesirable behaviour of the chairman. Both parties will say nothing further on the matter. "We will resolve the matter amongst ourselves and I have no inclination whatsoever to discuss the matter with the media", as newspaper De Telegraaf quoted the school's spokesperson Mariet ten Berge. "We have been to the mosque before and it always went well".

Angry parents had sent the letter on to De Telegraaf but were reportedly rapped on the knuckles by the school's management. "The school wishes to play this down. That is precisely the problem", as one mother commented.

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/090408_2.htm
I'd recommend the "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" by Robert Spencer. It addresses this type of censorship by islamic apologists. Saudi Arabia, funding the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), provides extremely deep pockets for litigation against anyone they perceive to be "slandering" (i.e., speaking the historical truth) about islam.
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litigation against anyone they perceive to be "slandering" about islam.
A LOT of issues can be traced back to a nonhuman entity or institution being granted rights and authority.
Islam is not a person, therefore it has no rights. Slander is harming someone with a deliberate and damaging lie.
Islam, or any other religion or institution of any kind, is not a 'someone'.

That holds true for 'society', 'future generations', and even corporations. Only living people have rights.

When a nonhuman institution is considered to have rights or authority that override the rights of real people; THAT'S when the trouble starts. That's the heart of 'fundamentalism'.

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