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If bleeding heart libs would all simply donate $1 a day each to a charity instead of whining that the gov't take more of our money, I think we could end the homeless and starving problems BOTH here in the United States of America. How about it Rocky!? Instead of constantly railing against republicans, take it upon yourself to help the poor! Post on this thread that you want all bleeding heart libs like yourself to come up with a good charity. Ya'll each donate one buck a day(or everytime you get the urge to whine about republicans which I'm sure is multiple times a day so that would be even better. lol).
I'm dead serious! This is my challenge to you, and all the libs out there. beternu.. you too. Every time you get the urge to post something about Fox Newx and/or Glenn Beck, INSTEAD donate one dollar to a charity that feeds the hungry, houses the homeless, or clothes the poor. Instead of whining constantly that you want the gov't to hand out other people's money, GIVE UP YOUR OWN. And call all of your lib friends. No more whining that the gov't should do it. No more "Fox News and Glenn Beck are brainwashing folks". No more idiotic protests. Just put up or shut up. One measily dollar... that's it. Just one dollar for every urge you have to rail against republicans, Fox News, Glenn Beck...etc. etc... One dollar to a charity for each urge. How about it? Do you accept that challenge?
"Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it" George Costanza
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If bleeding heart libs would all simply donate $1 a day each to a charity instead of whining that the gov't take more of our money, I think we could end the homeless and starving problems BOTH here in the United States of America.

Like the article stating the Florence area was $50,000.00 short for the meals on wheels program. What a disgrace! That wouldn't even be a dollar a person. This is the argument I try to make, IF the democrats would get rid of all the waste in the government programs, the truly needy like the elderly would not be in danger of going hungry. But when you dare suggest that, the libs start screeching like banshees and accusing you of hating the poor. Sickening. We're not idiots, we see the waste every single day, but yet they want us to pi** away even more money on useless programs that don't help anyone except the freaking freeloaders that have learned to use the system.
Likewise. Do us both a favor. Instead of constantly harping about the massive amounts of government waste, why dont you do something about it??? That would solve the problem of taking care of the truly needy, the burgeoning fedgov deficit and state budget shortfalls, and ultimately lead to lower rates of taxation for everyone.
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Likewise. Do us both a favor. Instead of constantly harping about the massive amounts of government waste, why dont you do something about it??? That would solve the problem of taking care of the truly needy, the burgeoning fedgov deficit and state budget shortfalls, and ultimately lead to lower rates of taxation for everyone.

That tired old reply. IF I could do something about it I would. Now you tell me how I go about throwing the freeloaders out. We're just citizens and all we have is our vote, which I know I use. And any time we do use that vote we get you liberals crying like little bytches. We don't have the power to walk into any government agency and demand they cut the waste. You're silly as shyt. You don't want to change a thing, all you want is even MORE giveaway programs.
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I'm not taking up your slack. If you want a problem fixed, then fix it. Go look at the records of expenditures at your local fedgov agencies, its all public record available with a FOIA request. Your vote means nothing, you just reelected R. Shelby, the King of Pork in the Senate.

Who ask you to take up the slack? No one expects a lib to take up the slack, you're to busy signing up for new giveaway programs to take up anybody's slack.
Jenn is dead on and Juan is missin the point.

IF I could get the gov't out of my pocket before I even see my paycheck, then I'd have much more of my own money(key phrase there... MY OWN MONEY) to do with as I see fit. One of those things would be up the amount I'm able to give charitably.

Now, on the flip side, if libs don't think enough of their money is being taken from them by the gov't, then BY ALL MEANS give more!! Live in a one room shack, walk to work, and give all of your money to the gov't and the rest to the poor. You can give all the money you want to the gov't to waste. Go for it. Just quit trying to say they should get more of mine. I don't trust other folks with my money, do you?

If you knew that I was broke, wrote bad checks constantly, and didn't make hardly enough to cover my expenses, then I walked up to you and said, give me 25-30% of your paycheck every pay period and "I promise" to do you proud with it. What would you say? My guess is you'd say the same thing to me that I think everytime I see that the gov't has snatched that much from me.
That's the point here and Jenn touched on it. THEY WASTE MY MONEY!! I have to get up and go to work everyday to not just take care of myself, but so that the gov't can forcably take over a 1/4th of my time and money away from me. How do you see that as what America was supposed to be?
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If bleeding heart libs would all simply donate $1 a day each to a charity instead of whining that the gov't take more of our money, I think we could end the homeless and starving problems BOTH here in the United States of America.

Like the article stating the Florence area was $50,000.00 short for the meals on wheels program. What a disgrace! That wouldn't even be a dollar a person. This is the argument I try to make, IF the democrats would get rid of all the waste in the government programs, the truly needy like the elderly would not be in danger of going hungry. But when you dare suggest that, the libs start screeching like banshees and accusing you of hating the poor. Sickening. We're not idiots, we see the waste every single day, but yet they want us to pi** away even more money on useless programs that don't help anyone except the freaking freeloaders that have learned to use the system.


The Meals on Wheels program needs more than money. It also depends on volunteers to use their own cars and buy their own gas and deliver the meals on the several routes where the recipients live. The managers of that program say it is very hard to recruit people willing to do this.

Each month my wife and I deliver meals along about a 20-mile route in the Petersville area. I have been helping her during the last year or so, but before that she did it by herself for most of the time, and she has been doing that for 30 years. We furnish the car and the gas and the labor and I can assure you that our contribution comes to far more than "a dollar a person." And we do not begrudge one cent of it. It is a very gratifying thing to do. Most of the recipients are elderly and have health problems and they are very appreciative of the meals they receive.

I would urge any of you who wish to make a contribution to the well-being of your fellow man to get in touch with the Community Action Agency in Florence and sign up to deliver Meals on Wheels once a month. The phone number is 256-766-4330.
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Instead of trying to insult me, why dont you do something productive? Why are sitting around complaining that no will do anything??? Maybe you can get a government grant to investigate and eliminate government waste.

I'm surprised you would even recognize an insult. I told you I use my vote. You always retreat to that stupid reply "do something". You think it's clever but it's asinine. You know I can't physically go to any government program and do away with waste. If I could you'd probably be out on your butt. So either join the adults or stop wasting my time with your childish posts.
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I replied "try to insult". You are too sad and pathetic to achieve an actual insult. Why do you want the Dems to solve all your complaints with the fedgov??? Are Repubs incapable of fixing the problems they helped create???

I may have to apoligize to rockhead. I was thinking he was the dumbest one posting on here, but you've not only caught up with him in ignorance and just plain uselessness, you've passed him.
Stop attacking me and answer the questions. Or better yet, stop whining and put on your big girl pants and do something. I predict you will do neither, and just continue to post threads about how "someone needs to do something about all this corruption" until a Repub is again in the White House

For your convenience, I looked up the AlObama Welfare Fraud Hotline number 1-800-392-8048

Here something to get you started, and should have to travel no farther than HSV to find some dollars to save:

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The Government Accountability Office found that 95 major systems have exceeded their original budgets by a total of $295 billion, bringing their total cost to $1.6 trillion, and are delivered almost two years late on average.

The Pentagon has doubled the amount it has committed to new systems, from $790 billion in 2000 to $1.6 trillion last year


GAO Blasts Weapons Budget--Cost Overruns Hit $295 Billion

One more distressing fact:
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Nationwide, the federal government has paid at least $1.3 billion in subsidies for rice and other crops since 2000 to individuals who do no farming at all, according to an analysis of government records by The Washington Post. The cash comes with so few restrictions that subdivision developers who buy farmland advertise that homeowners can collect farm subsidies on their new back yards.

What began in the 1930s as a limited safety net for working farmers has swollen into a far-flung infrastructure of entitlements that has cost $172 billion over the past decade. In 2005 alone, when pretax farm profits were at a near-record $72 billion, the federal government handed out more than $25 billion in farm subsidy aid, almost 50 percent more than the amount it pays to families receiving welfare.


You really have to read the whole article to appreciate the extent of the waste

Farm Program Pays $1.3 Billion to People Who Don't Farm
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Likewise. Do us both a favor. Instead of constantly harping about the massive amounts of government waste, why dont you do something about it??? That would solve the problem of taking care of the truly needy, the burgeoning fedgov deficit and state budget shortfalls, and ultimately lead to lower rates of taxation for everyone.


In case you didn't notice we did do something about it on November 2nd.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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If bleeding heart libs would all simply donate $1 a day each to a charity instead of whining that the gov't take more of our money, I think we could end the homeless and starving problems BOTH here in the United States of America.

Like the article stating the Florence area was $50,000.00 short for the meals on wheels program. What a disgrace! That wouldn't even be a dollar a person. This is the argument I try to make, IF the democrats would get rid of all the waste in the government programs, the truly needy like the elderly would not be in danger of going hungry. But when you dare suggest that, the libs start screeching like banshees and accusing you of hating the poor. Sickening. We're not idiots, we see the waste every single day, but yet they want us to pi** away even more money on useless programs that don't help anyone except the freaking freeloaders that have learned to use the system.


The Meals on Wheels program needs more than money. It also depends on volunteers to use their own cars and buy their own gas and deliver the meals on the several routes where the recipients live. The managers of that program say it is very hard to recruit people willing to do this.

Each month my wife and I deliver meals along about a 20-mile route in the Petersville area. I have been helping her during the last year or so, but before that she did it by herself for most of the time, and she has been doing that for 30 years. We furnish the car and the gas and the labor and I can assure you that our contribution comes to far more than "a dollar a person." And we do not begrudge one cent of it. It is a very gratifying thing to do. Most of the recipients are elderly and have health problems and they are very appreciative of the meals they receive.

I would urge any of you who wish to make a contribution to the well-being of your fellow man to get in touch with the Community Action Agency in Florence and sign up to deliver Meals on Wheels once a month. The phone number is 256-766-4330.


Thank you. Just goes to show even on old conceited blowhard can do something good.
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The Meals on Wheels program needs more than money. It also depends on volunteers to use their own cars and buy their own gas and deliver the meals on the several routes where the recipients live. The managers of that program say it is very hard to recruit people willing to do this.

Each month my wife and I deliver meals along about a 20-mile route in the Petersville area. I have been helping her during the last year or so, but before that she did it by herself for most of the time, and she has been doing that for 30 years. We furnish the car and the gas and the labor and I can assure you that our contribution comes to far more than "a dollar a person."

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The article didn't address the need for volunteers, it addressed the shortage of money. $50,000.00 a year would be less than a dollar a person to donate.
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Likewise. Do us both a favor. Instead of constantly harping about the massive amounts of government waste, why dont you do something about it??? That would solve the problem of taking care of the truly needy, the burgeoning fedgov deficit and state budget shortfalls, and ultimately lead to lower rates of taxation for everyone.


In case you didn't notice we did do something about it on November 2nd.


AND we aren't through yet, we'll get to the rest of them as soon as we can. Taking out the trash and re-cycling is a continuous process. Happy New Year!
That sort of talk reminds me of high school cheerleaders. You keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. The Repubs of 2011 will be no more fiscally responsible than those of 2001. I predict the debt ceiling will be raised to $16.5trillion, the budget deficit, if there is a budget, will exceed $1.2trillion and non-discretionary spending will not decrease $.01.
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Originally posted by LE89:
If I am forced to pick the lesser of two evils I will, then later I will choose again, trying to make it better with each choice, until evil is gone.


So, how is the hopin for less evil plan working, say in the last 50 years???


Never said I was "hopin" or "hoping", but once I've been choosing for 50 years I'll get back to you on that.
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
That sort of talk reminds me of high school cheerleaders. You keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. The Repubs of 2011 will be no more fiscally responsible than those of 2001. I predict the debt ceiling will be raised to $16.5trillion, the budget deficit, if there is a budget, will exceed $1.2trillion and non-discretionary spending will not decrease $.01.


Juanhunt your facts are, Well you have none or know nothing. What I quoted of you only proves this.
No Democrat-Controlled Congress Has Balanced Federal Budget in 40 Years. In fact the budget has only been budgeted 4 times sence 1970 and Republicans did it all 4 times in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001. When they balanced it that time the democrats had ran it up record high
of -$290.95 billion. I am sure you remember this, Clinton took the credit for it. Remember? What is left out is in the last years of Clinton Republicans controlled both houses of Congress.
In 2000 Republicans got it around +236.2 billion, Of course we all know to well what happen in 2001 but still the republicans kept it around +128.2 (give or take some) Of course after that the democrats got it back and now we see a all time mind blowing waste of spending with the Federal Budget at the tune of -1.55 Trillion in 2010.
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Thats the point. Why was the Repub Congress during the Clinton admin able to operate as a fiscally responsible body, but during the BushII term, created $400billion dollar deficit in 2004


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Earlier this month, Bush unveiled a budget forecast that projected a deficit of more than $500 billion, which would be the biggest ever in dollar terms. As a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP), it seems likely to be the biggest since the mid-1980s. However, the forecast did not include hundreds of billions of dollars for other costs, such as military expenses in Iraq.


http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/2.../greenspan/index.htm
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Thats the point. Why was the Repub Congress during the Clinton admin able to operate as a fiscally responsible body, but during the BushII term, created $400billion dollar deficit in 2004


Now see that is a good topic to discuss, IMO.

I will have to research some of my old links and look a little for some facts and links on what you just brought up, All and all I agree with your question.

I do remember it being said that of course what happen in 2001 was the cause of some, Rebuilding, war, ext ext.
Also the military had to be beefed back up from Clinton cutting military funding.

But that still does not call for the amount it got out of hand from 2002 to now.

Now understand when wrong is wrong I call it as so, Bush pulled one of the biggest unconstitutional acts in American history I think, and has yet been hardly any noise over it at all. "PATRIOT Act " So I by no means hold him as a poster boy.
A lot of this sort of thing brings about out of controlled budget spending as well as all the new programs started, Home land security ext ext. It all starts to add up when government grows beyond what it was meant to. IMO
After 9-11 there was a recession that hit the economy. Gov't programs were put in place in hopes of jolting the economy. However, this was foolish and feelgoodism run amuck. You cannot raise spending after implementing tax cuts. I'm not a republican and def not a democrat. I'm a constitutional conservative who believes the people's money is there own, period. Tax cuts are great, but not all that helpful when you don't cut spending. If you do that you are simply cutting off your thumb to spite your hand. Getting it half right doesn't solve the problem. Cutting taxes is just half the battle. Some one with enough guts to stand up and tell the American people some REAL TRUTHS has to, along with massive tax cuts, do massive spending cuts. The problem is, bleeding heart libs tell minorities and lower income folks that this is mean...that they are catering to the evil ol rich folks and want to leave you in the gutter. That's the LIE that has been fed to the mindless masses from the left for decades now. This generation is numb to it and thinks that gov't handouts are the norm and that it is the way it's supposed to be. That's ignorance pure and simple. The truth is not even taught to this generation, only the lie that the gov't should take care of you from the womb to the tomb. We are already in many aspects a socialist nation. More than anything we must make sure we don't lose out to full fledged communism. Hilary Clinton already mentioned once before that if she were prez she would look into removing the term limit on the office. King Barry has even hinted at that notion himself....Ya'll do know what the agenda in that is don't you? (hint...look into the histories of Cuba and Venezuela)
The truth is there for us all to see. There are only 3 types of folks. Those who choose not to study it for themselves to recognize the difference between the truth and the lie, those who cling to that truth and want America back to the foundation put in place by our founding fathers, and those who hate what our founding fathers stood for and desire a socialist utopia(which is impossible to achieve).
Spending is dictated by lobbyists, such that the will of the people is purposely ignored, and for the most part successfully. There are thousands of people that call themselves conservatives, but object to any cuts to a program they benefit from. One idea I think might work is to make political ads part of broadcast TV public service obligations, and make them supply the airtime for free. And, make it illegal for former Congress members to work as registered lobbyists.
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Spending is dictated by lobbyists, such that the will of the people is purposely ignored, and for the most part successfully. There are thousands of people that call themselves conservatives, but object to any cuts to a program they benefit from. One idea I think might work is to make political ads part of broadcast TV public service obligations, and make them supply the airtime for free. And, make it illegal for former Congress members to work as registered lobbyists.


What was the point of that post? I don't care about folks who "call themselves conservatives", that's meaningless to me. I'm talking about someone with the guts to be a true constitutional conservative. I don't think there is one on the current political map that has a chance to win the presidency unfortunately. Ron Paul is a little wacky, but he is actually the closest I've seen on economic matters.
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Peter Rielly

I agree with what you just said,
I do better when I can speak with people. When I start typing on here I forgot half of what I want to say or it gets lost from my brain to my finger tips lol.

I don't really think of my self as a republican but I no I am no democrat as well.
For the most part I just want the feds out of my check and leave me the hell along other then fill a pot hole from time to time and the state does that for the most part any ways. Being told by a government I must purchase something from a private business just to have rights and not be fined/imprisoned is not my idea of a free society any longer.

Other then that they need to take care of the 4 rules laid out to them in the constitution and anything other then that they should be removed and replaced as needed. IMO
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Ron Paul is a little wacky, but he is actually the closest I've seen on economic matters.


I think the problem with Ron Paul is, We are just not use to hear a politician talk like he does. It's not that he is wacky he just sounds wacky when compared to the other ramblings we hear.

Sometimes the truth sounds like a conspiracy IMO. He has my vote though for what ever that is worth!
Interesting take on Paul there Vork. You are correct that folks these days think what he says is wacky...it's foreign to hear those things come from a politician. But by wacky I mean his personality and mannarisms. But he is so dead on it's spooky. I voted for Fred Thompson in the Republican primary last go around. He's a lil too much of a "politician" IMO, but he's a somewhat solid conservative. And, because the writing was on the wall that either Hillary or Barry were gonna win the Democratic nomination, I wanted someone I thought could dominate either of them in a debate, and Thompson was the guy(McCain sure wasn't...HATED THAT HE WON THAT CRAP!!). When Fred actually showed interest in being there, he shredded the other Rep nominees in the debates except for Paul. They actually lined up on most economic policies. Ron Paul is a pretty good model for a libertarian, which lines up with our founding fathers almost to a T.
I'm liking what I'm hearing from Lt. Colonel Allen West who is now a U. S. Representative in Florida. I think he may be a guy we can get behind in the near future. He is big on the constitution and on PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and not gov't handouts. I'm hoping he can get some traction soon and get in the mix for the Republican ticket.
Also Vork... you nailed it with wanting them to stay out of our check. I just don't get it... All we heard from libs during Bush's time in office was that he was violating our privacy and rights... Tell me this... What is more violating or our privacy and rights than the federal government sticking their hand in our wallet before we even get our paycheck??? That is the most privacy violating thing possible!! How is is not considered violating our privacy and rights for the government to own our land?? There is no such thing as land ownership in this country and that is illegal and unconstitutional. And for those who think I'm exagerating...Try not paying property taxes and see how long you stay on "your land". It is truely sickening what we have allow to happen in terms of the size, scope, and power of the federal government.
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Obamacare will not be overturned, unless, the legal precedents that were set when Medicare was initiated and tested in Court are also overturned. Even the TEA Party does not want that.



Not within the next 2 years anyway. Most of it will be rendered useless though when they have no funds. The Obama, Pelosi, Reid party is over.
The big difference I see here though Juan is Medicare is something we pay into to help people (Older, retired) people that have worked all their lives and paid into said program. It is not going to the private sector.
Once we retire it is like savings in the bank or a retirement found. How ever that is not the case any longer because of mismanagement medicare and SSI is now broke with not enough founding. So it seems all Americans are now screwed out of their money.

Obama care is forcing Americans to pad the pockets of privately owned businesses that just so happen to be the ones who also wrote much of obamacare.

Sort of like this, You and your 3 neighborers need lawn care. Problem is only 2 of you can afford lawn care.
I happen to run a lawn care business so I write up a law that will set in motion that the 2 that can afford it will have to buy my service from me. The one that can't well he will be getting his lawn taken care of free because you 2 are paying for yours + his.

Now if either of you 2 don't pay your share then in the bill you can be fine or put in prison for not paying. And if you want to live in your house and in that area you will have to pay it.

Now another neighbor just moved in but guess what? He can't pay either no job no money. So now you 2 are paying for 2 people to have free lawn care.

You want new shrubs? Sorry it is not in the best interest of the neighborhood for you to have them. The cost is just to much at this time.

So now 1 more neighbor moves in and he can only pay a little in too the pot. So now it is you 2 and half paying lawn care for 5 people.

Guess what now I am not getting enough money to cover 5 people with only 2 and half paying so I must raise the rates on you 2 that pay full amount because the one paying only half is still not in the higher bracket.

Now you have a tree that is sick and needs special tree medication to make it better.
First I will need to take a look at that, I am the lawn specialist. After looking at your tree I feel it would be better and cheaper for all to just cut it down. You don't want that but to bad. This is the call of the specialist and the one that controls the over all spending.

So now you are stuck paying a high bill that you must pay to me under law or you will go to jail and have no tree too.. Finally you loose your job.
Lawn care is swamped with expense not enough money coming in, No one else to get it from, so I end of for closing and you are out money plus lawn care.

See how this is going?

we can't even get something like SSI and Medicare running correctly after all these years, How does anyone in their right mind of thinking believe this will work out in the end?
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Thats quite a long metaphor. But isnt that what happens now? Docs and hospitals dont work for free, so when they provide charity care to the uninsured, they just raise the cost of care for all of us.


Not really,
years ago there was hospitals run by charity donations and no one was ever turned down from health care. Ron Paul has videos on youtube and you can google and find information on this. Government regulations started slowly closing these hospitals down. Now whether or not the regulations was for safety is up for debate but I seen nothing so far that suggested so. Now with those out of the way people with out now had to rely more on government in the form of Medicaid welfare ext ext.
What has drove the cost of health care up more then anything is lawyers hanging around in the operating rooms with pin in hand ready to sue doctors at the drop of a dime.
Just look over what all doctors have been sued for and for how much.

malpractice insurance has sky rocketed over the years and drove the price of hospital, doctors cost up as well because they could be out millions if the mess up and give a pill and not liquid form meds for a headache.
Couple this with the fact that pharmaceutical companies have lobbied millions in the hands of politicians that have kept cheaper drugs out of the U.S that has been proven in such countries as Canada and others.
This bill does not help in these areas at all.

I agree somethings in the bill is good, Precondition for example.
While others will not work they will be bankrupt and it will fail in time. If any thing history should teach us this.
Canada has a bill sort of like this, If you ever get in a chat room or talk with a Canadian, A Canadian that has to work and pay half his check into it, They will tell you how much of a fail it is becoming.

Free market and government with all it's failed regulations out of the way would have drove health care down. Stop lobbyists in Washington, Lawyers being able to sue so easy, and free market. These are proven.

If I sell cars, and some one opens a car dealership next to me at a better price then me. I will be forced to lower prices or go out of business. That is free Market. Sometimes Companies go under but others will take their place.
Juan... that picture was meaningless to this topic. I deserve to get medicare and social security to the tune of however much I was...and watch closely... however much I have been FORCED to pay in over my adult life in the workforce. So is anyone else who has done that. However, the problem is that the gov't has F%*&ED it up so bad that the money we are paying in now is simply paying folks who are retired already. It's not getting saved for when I retire in 30 or 35 years. This gov't who proves over and over that they mismanage money is the one you want to now take over healthcare for the entire country??? Once again, I posed this question to you that you didn't answer.

If you knew that I was broke, wrote bad checks constantly, and didn't make hardly enough to cover my expenses, then I walked up to you and said, give me 25-30% of your paycheck every pay period and "I promise" to do you proud with it. What would you say?

That's what happens everytime you get a paycheck, just substitute the "me" and "I" for federal government.

I wish I didn't have to worry about medicare or social security. If I had it my way I'd KEEP MY OWN MONEY and save it myself. I want to be responsible for me...i do not need or want the gov't to take my money now in hopes they return it to me later. Craziness.
Peter like my granddad said when he retired.
When they took the money out of his check it was worth a dollar. giving it back it was only worth .25 cents!

I really feel sorry for some people that think this will save them. I was talking to a woman a few days ago that said Obama just gave her another 25 years with her kids! I asked how? Seems she is a diabetic and wasn't able to get insurance to now, and she needs surgery. One problem, Even after she gets the insurance. She may not get the surgery needed if a doctor or government regulations decides it will not be in the best interest or cost effective calculating in her age.
People really I mean really better wake up to this Government take over and start reading the fine print. That fine print is what has been destroying this country to the point the bubble is about to burst and I am thinking it is so far gone now there is no stopping it.

We are so far in dept with china right now and they are talking of dropping the feds money. What are we going to do when they start wanting payments? We Are A Broke Country and no one seems to understand this.
that image is from a TEA Party rally, and demonstrates the lack of clarity on the health care issue.

Old folks love their Medicare. Medicare is just like any insurance: your premium pays for the care of others which entitles you to have your care paid for when you need it. The problem with Medicare is that health care costs are outpacing increases in wages by a large amount, and people are just living too long.

SS is much more complicated and much more dysfunctional. The idea of privatizing was on the right track.

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