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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

This year Obama would not allow a public acknowledgement of America's National Day Of Prayer in the White House. Although Obama issued a National Day of Prayer proclamation on May 7, 2009 per tradition -- he broke with a precedent established by the Bush administration by not holding a White House ceremony on the occasion.

The ACLU fights to the death against every Christian symbol and event it can prevent; not wanting to offend our atheist, secularist, and Muslim friends. The ACLU even caused expensive court actions because of a simple cross sitting forty miles into the desert -- where only lizards and desert dwellers can see it. But, somehow the ACLU "Christian sensing" radar found it! And, they sued to have it removed.

Yet, the Muslim Parade shown in the YouTube video was taken on October 18, 2009 and another Muslim Parade is scheduled for September 26, 2010. Notice that all traffic on Madison Avenue in New York City is stopped to allow the Muslims to pray on the street. Yet, Christians cannot even have a cross or a manger scene on park property that is not even blocking traffic.

Is this Obama's CHANGE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=player_embedded#!

Does Obama's CHANGE also include the Islamic Mosque at the WTC Ground Zero site? It must, for he and New York City's mayor Bloomberg both support the project of building a Mosque at the site of the September 11, 2001 attack against America -- when over
3000 lives were taken in an act of war against America.

And, on September 25, 2009, from 4 AM until 7 PM, a celebration called "Islam On Capital Hill" was held on grounds of Capitol Hill. Described by its creators as a []"day of Islamic unity"[/i] and featuring Muslim prayers and readings from the Qur'an, the all-day event was called "Islam on Capital Hill." It was sponsored by a Washington, DC mosque.

From the "Islam On Capital Hill" web site: http://www.islamoncapitolhill.com

The Athan will be chanted on Capitol Hill, echoing off of the Lincoln Memorial, the Washington Monument and other great edifices that surround Capitol Hill. The peace, beauty and solidarity of Islam will shine through America's capitol.

If this sound somewhat ominous to you -- keep in mind that the Anthan is the Islamic "Call To Prayer," usually over a loudspeaker -- calling all Muslims to prayer FIVE times a day. So, can you imagine the loudspeaker amplified Muslim "Call To Prayer" echoing off the Lincoln Memorial, the Washington Monument, and "other great edifices that surround Capital Hill"?

Their web site logo reads: "Islam On Capital Hill -- Our Time Has Come"

Time for what -- Sharia Law throughout America?

And, in a second logo on their web site, they declare "Freedom Of Religion."

I wonder if that applies to Christians having Christian churches in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries? How about a public reading of the Bible and a call to Christian prayer on the streets of Saudi Arabia -- will they allow that now? No, we would be jailed and likely executed for such offenses against Allah. How far are we going to bend to accommodate Obama's Muslim friends?

My Friends, we have an opportunity to begin making REAL CHANGE in America this coming November -- at the polls. If you are at least 18 years old and not yet registered to vote; do it today. You can download a Voter Registration Form from the USA.gov web site:

http://www.eac.gov/voter_resou...egister_to_vote.aspx

We have an opportunity to make REAL CHANGE in America beginning in November 2010 and continuing in November 2012.

Please do your homework. Take a serious look at the CHANGE we have seen since the White House occupants changed in 2008. Support "your" elected leaders who have the same values as you and your family -- and look seriously at replacing those who do not share the same values.

Make sure that you are registered and prepared to VOTE IN 2010 AND 2012!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Translation: "VOTE FOR PEOPLE THAT WILL TAKE AWAY OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!"

Yeah I'll get right on that.

You can't have religions freedom, Bill, unless religions freedoms are protected. If you weren't so obscenely thick headed, you would be able to see that the ACLU is protecting, not hindering, your right to worship.

The cross was placed on government property dude. If the ACLU didn't protest, the atheist would have a right to erect their atom, the wiccans their moon, the jews the Star and the Satanists their pentagram.

Can't you see that thought your deluded colored glasses?
The point is, it isn't. What's more offensive: Having a....

"Ground Zero Burger King."
Memorial that's never happened because of hyper-capitalist conflicts.
Bunch of tacky souvenir tables.
Bunch of tacky souvenir tables that profit off of cheap, China-made 9-11 memorabilia.
Bunch of tacky souvenir tables that profit off of cheap, China-made 9-11 memorabilia when they're not selling fake Rolexes to the same Americans coming to New York, buying from them, going home, and telling New Yorkers where to put our Mosques.
or an Islamic Cultural Center with a 9/11 Memorial (more than what's actually been put to paper for an official 9/11 Memorial) two and a half blocks away?
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I wonder if that applies to Christians having Christian churches in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries? How about a public reading of the Bible and a call to Christian prayer on the streets of Saudi Arabia -- will they allow that now? No, we would be jailed and likely executed for such offenses against Allah. How far are we going to bend to accommodate Obama's Muslim friends



So-o-o, are you suggesting we execute the muslims like the do if we go to their country? I still like the freedom of religion thing myself.

Bill, your argument on this is pathetic!
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Yet, the Muslim Parade shown in the YouTube video was taken on October 18, 2009 and another Muslim Parade is scheduled for September 26, 2010. Notice that all traffic on Madison Avenue in New York City is stopped to allow the Muslims to pray on the street. Yet, Christians cannot even have a cross or a manger scene on park property that is not even blocking traffic.


Uh-h-h, maybe they had a "parade permit". Macy's get's one every year. The St. Paddy's group gets one every year.

But just because the Muslims want a parade and get a permit, we should not allow them a parade.

That would be another fine freedom to take away.

Bill, do you want to just take away all the Muslims rights, just because "you" don't like it?
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It was sponsored by a Washington, DC mosque


Last one: NOTICE BILL

This was sponsored by a D.C. mosque. NOT the government of the USA.

Hello Bill, is any of this making any sense to you?

I guess not. You sound like you would rather start a "christian" war against all who don't think and believe like you.

Hey, maybe that's not a bad idea. Make 'um all think like you and worship like you because you are the only one that is right. Your religious beliefs are THE ONLY WAY!!! Right?
My religious freedoms are not subject to a vote by anyone in this country, including the families of 9/11 victims. (or Bill Gray)
As for sensitivity training, we'll see how sensitive the Christians of this country would be if tomorrow someone blocked the building of a church in Oklahoma City. But since it's the Muslims, of course, they're so danged insensitive.
The 9/11 victims' families are not one collective borg- they include Muslim families and many of the non-Muslim families also support the Park51 center. So we're only listening to the families that don't support the center? How convenient.
You don't just have religious freedom for all when it's convenient and comfortable- real freedom withstands the test of inconvenient and uncomfortable times.
b50m,
Sorry if it sounds like a rant, I'm just tired of reading about how Bill thinks everything that does not follow his narrow views is wrong. We do still live in a country where freedom of religion or no religion exists. As far as I know, the government has not passed a law to stop "anyone" from their choice of worship or no worship. And that's the way it should be.
And just for the record, there is "The New York Dolls Gentleman's Club" (know what that is Bill? I bet you do. Speaking of betting, there is an off track betting parlor too. Both these fine establishments are located as close to ground zero as the proposed "mosque" which is really no more than an information center.

Bill, don't you think someone should "burn 'um down" I don't think either of these fine places fit into your norrow views.
We don't have Sharia law coming. To change the constitution requires 3/4 of the states to ratify as well as Congress doing a 2/3 vote. Not going to happen even if Obama was a mat carrying Farsi speaking Muslim.

I don't like the guy, he has no brains for economic reform and he's basically a puppet, BUT he is NOT a Muslim.


Pawpaw rant away. Good for the soul. Big Grin
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I don't like the guy, he has no brains for economic reform and he's basically a puppet, BUT he is NOT a Muslim.


My sentiments exactly b50m.

It all sounds like the "birthers" or whatever they are. And it's not just him. I would like to see everyone in Washington have to leave at the end of their term. And make the end of their term 12-31-10.
One of the more truly cretinous nutterances from Bill Gray--from above:

"I wonder if that applies to Christians having Christian churches in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries? How about a public reading of the Bible and a call to Christian prayer on the streets of Saudi Arabia -- will they allow that now? No, we would be jailed and likely executed for such offenses against Allah. How far are we going to bend to accommodate Obama's Muslim friends?"

Bill--NOW GET THIS___

What is or is not allowed in Saudi Arabia re freedom of worship is not relevant to what is or is not allowed in these United States. What we can show the Saudis and all the rest of the Islamic world is that we are not hypocrites. We DO permit freedom of religion and we do not use government to advance or suppress one religion over another, notwithstanding the repeated declarations by wingers like you who really would have no objection to installing the institutions of Christianity into civil government. "This is a "Christian Nation," they insist, despite all the evidence of history and contemporaneous immorality that argue against such a proposition.

It is about the First Amendment, Bill! All those public Muslim observances you described are not the exclusive province of Islam. Christians can and do enter public venues such as the Mall and Capital Hill to parade and speechify and celebrate their beliefs. Two Christian preachers spoke long and loud at a "Tea Party" public courthouse rally near here a few months back, with no objection from civil authorities. Public school students rally around their flagpoles every spring in this country to sing hymns, pray, and celebrate Christian beliefs.

It's about the FIRST AMENDMENT, Bill. It does not discriminate!
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi to all my Forum Friends,

This year Obama would not allow a public acknowledgement of America's National Day Of Prayer in the White House. Although Obama issued a National Day of Prayer proclamation on May 7, 2009 per tradition -- he broke with a precedent established by the Bush administration by not holding a White House ceremony on the occasion.

Bill


How did Obama not allow a public acknowledgement of the national day of prayer this year??

Obama in fact issued a National Day of Prayer proclamation May 6th 2010 despite the ruling of federal judge Barbara Crabb stating that National Day of Prayer was unconstitutional. The ruling was in response to the Freedom From Religion Foundation's lawsuit that was originally against President George W. Bush and Dana Perino, his press secretary, and others. Obama and his press secretary Robert Gibbs were later added as defendents and are appealing that ruling.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
I think focusing on where he is from or his religious is pointless. Point to his foreign policy and economic record because it sucks. no companies are hiring because they don't know how Obamacare or Cap and Tax or the repeal of the tax cuts is going to hit them.


Very true, our hiring is very sparse right now and all the excess work is either going to overtime or being done in Mexico because we are afraid of what is to come. We are better off for now just paying overtime instead of hiring extra help.
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Originally posted by beternU:
One of the more truly cretinous nutterances from Bill Gray--from above:

"I wonder if that applies to Christians having Christian churches in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries? How about a public reading of the Bible and a call to Christian prayer on the streets of Saudi Arabia -- will they allow that now? No, we would be jailed and likely executed for such offenses against Allah. How far are we going to bend to accommodate Obama's Muslim friends?"

Bill--NOW GET THIS___

What is or is not allowed in Saudi Arabia re freedom of worship is not relevant to what is or is not allowed in these United States. What we can show the Saudis and all the rest of the Islamic world is that we are not hypocrites. We DO permit freedom of religion and we do not use government to advance or suppress one religion over another, notwithstanding the repeated declarations by wingers like you who really would have no objection to installing the institutions of Christianity into civil government. "This is a "Christian Nation," they insist, despite all the evidence of history and contemporaneous immorality that argue against such a proposition.

It is about the First Amendment, Bill! All those public Muslim observances you described are not the exclusive province of Islam. Christians can and do enter public venues such as the Mall and Capital Hill to parade and speechify and celebrate their beliefs. Two Christian preachers spoke long and loud at a "Tea Party" public courthouse rally near here a few months back, with no objection from civil authorities. Public school students rally around their flagpoles every spring in this country to sing hymns, pray, and celebrate Christian beliefs.

It's about the FIRST AMENDMENT, Bill. It does not discriminate!


I am all about having freedom of religion, the only way we can insure freedom of our own religion is to help insure that others have the freedom to worship as they see fit too. Because of that I say let them build the mosque, just loosen up some zoning laws and quit telling me where a Church can be built.
I don't know if Obama is a muslim or not, I hope he's a Christian but that is not much of my concern.
Bill, who cares what Saudi Arabia does about religion when it comes to how we handle religion? This is America; we are not supposed to be looking to other countries for how to handle our affairs.
For those who might want to imply that this is not a Country founded on Christian principles I will refer you to the U.S. Supreme court, in the unreversed case of Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 437 (1892), held that “this is a Christian nation.” Since this has never been reversed, the decision still stands. I think if the U.S. Supreme court says we're a Christian nation then we must be a Christian nation.
BF,

there is reason to believe that Obama is a non-believer.

He attended Rev. Wright's church in Chicago for 20 years to establish his bona fides. Or so is the rumor.

He's darkened hardly a church's doorstep since he's been Pres.

His upbringing was, by all accounts, secular. Discounting his early schooling in a Muslim school. Seems that didn't take.

I don't think the Prez is a Muslim. I think he's soft on religion after any fashion.

I like that about him.
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Bill, you are a freaking IDIOT! There is no way that any rational person could ever even imagine that your delusional drivel has any merit whatsoever.



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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
DHS,

That's cruel.

Would you stand outside the Home for the Mentally Retarded and insult the inmates?


I think he just did.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by themax:
It seems that in order not to offend Islam, we must give up our rights to show any form of Christianity. And allow Islam to be praised on Capitol Hill. Something is just wrong with that picture.


BULLETIN! Bill Gray obviously and literally has been stricken suddenly with blindness. He can not see the myriad forms in which Christianity is visible in this land. When he is chauffeured around on the highways and byways of California, he can no longer see and appreciate the highly visible forms in which Christianity is on display there. He will never again be able to gaze upon the crossed and steepled multimillion-dollar edifices erected by the megachurches that have sprouted around the landscape in the last couple of decades. His blinded eyes will never again fall upon the myriads of humble tiny church buildings in downscale urban communities. He will no longer see the crudely-lettered fading plywood signs tacked high on power poles along rural highways urging passers-by to "Get Right With God." Should he ever come back to Alabama and be driven along Interstate 65 a little way north of Montgomery, he will not be able to revel at the sight of that famous sign that shows a Satanic figure wielding a scythe and that bears the dire warning, "Go to Church or the Devil Will Get You."

Perhaps the person who types Blind Bill's posts on this forum will read this reply to him, so that Bill might refresh his perceptions of the many and very visible ways in which the forms of Christianity are emblazened upon our landscape. Perhaps, then, Bill will graciously retract his all-subsuming indictment of the failure of this nation to allow Christians the right to publicly display the forms and allegiances of their faith.

N-a-a-aH! Blind Bill doesn't retract ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous.

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